Choose your poison/Do Unto Others (Tourney?)

[Numbski]

I've been putting some thought into things that we could do to break one another out of our comfort zones playing this game. We all get set into our ways, and it takes a while to be willing to see other perspectives. So here's what I propose:

Loosely organized tournament, similar to "Forum Bragging Rights". Games are played in Legend Lobby, you report your results here, single elimination.

There's just one twist - your opponent gets to pick who is on your team. No one gets to pick their own players. You *must* place at least 3 stars on your opponents' offense, and they get to choose one skill position (ie, if I'm playing someone, they have to put at least 3 stars on my offense, and I can request that one be a quarterback, but I don't get to choose which one, or at what star level).

I can't decide which name to go with. You need to put thought into this, because you don't know what you're going to be stuck with. In order to make it fair, all team submissions for each game are to go through a third party PM, that way, one person can't wait for the other person to post their team, and then counter. I'd like to participate too, so I guess if it comes down to it, everyone can submit their teams to me for posting, and on games I'm involved with, another mod can handle it.

Do I make myself clear? Otherwise, play style rules will remain either identical to FBR, or majority rules - I'd go with gentleman's rules, but I don't know if everyone can handle that. Basically, treat each other with respect, and if a conflict arises, the wisdom of the masses will rule - we'll take a vote on it.

I guess that's it. Pretty simple. Once I know who is participating, I can (or heck, since Amid is so good at it, maybe I'll let him handle it?) make a bracket and get started. Since we don't have to waste time on creating teams. ;) We all know how to duplicate playbooks now, so that isn't an excuse. Duplicate a team, plug the right players in, and play your games.

Any questions?

So far we have:

Numbski
M CARDOSO1
ulose22
NFLHITMAN
zatchery

I would like to get at least 8 into this.

[Numbski]

Oh, one other limitation - you cannot arbitrarily stack a position to an unusual level. You can't go taking 2 quarterbacks, 3 halfbacks, etc. I'll leave that as gentleman's rules - if someone gives ME 4 safeties I won't complain, but someone else might. :) Be reasonable about it. I know you're all going to be out to sabotage one another but good, but it has to be a playable squad - you CANNOT do anything that will essentially sideline someone due to depth chart restraints.

[Numbski]

I'm surprised.

No takers? Really?

[Numbski]

Wow. No one around here is comfortable enough with their game that they feel like they can run with whatever cards they're dealt? :(

[Valdarez]

I think the problem is that by this point, creating your own team and customizing to how you envision the play style, and learning new build styles is one of the primary drivers for enjoyment of the game. Playing with some random / arbitrary team, while a little interesting if it were completely random each game, doesn't intrigue me (that's just my view though).

[Numbski]

Huh. I kinda figured we all wind up having the same playbook across teams, and at a quick glance of personnel you should know at least approximately what your team will or won't be able to do well - and we'll each be able to pick our own generics.

Oh well - it was worth a try. I tend to get the feeling that many people rely so much one "this one player" or "that one group" that the idea of playing without them just winds up being completely unappealing.

[M CARDOSO1]

I'd be willing to join this sounds like a cool idea

[ulose22]

I'll join, looks like a new interesting twist to the game

[nflhitman]

Huh. I kinda figured we all wind up having the same playbook across teams, and at a quick glance of personnel you should know at least approximately what your team will or won't be able to do well - and we'll each be able to pick our own generics.

Oh well - it was worth a try. I tend to get the feeling that many people rely so much one "this one player" or "that one group" that the idea of playing without them just winds up being completely unappealing.

Yes but when you say coming out of your comfort zone but insist that everyone has to have there opponent pick there 3 players on offense that this plays in to your comfort zone. You should have to have 6 on offense to get out of your comfort zone Numbski. You cant expect to sit with 8 on defense like you normally do and expect everyone else to get out of there comfort zone.

[Numbski]

You misunderstood (or I mis-wrote?)

You have put to AT LEAST 3 stars on an opponents offense. I'm sorry. You could put all 11 stars on your opponents' offense, and I really wouldn't care. I don't see anyone doing that though. :)

Feel like slapping me with 6 players on offense, go for it. Sorry, that wasn't intended to play into my hand. I just kinda saw the advent of no skill players coming, so I wanted to guard against that...

You in Hitman?

[Numbski]

Edited first post to be more clear. Your opponent must be granted at least 3 stars on offense, and they have the option of choosing 1 skill position, but don't get to choose who will play that position or what star level.

[nflhitman]

Sure I will join.

[Numbski]

Sweet. :) We at least have enough for a 2-round tourney. I think I'd like to get at least 8 in though.

[zatchery]

I take it that this is intended for 360 users? If so, I'll join. This would actually be a great idea for a league, not just a tournament. You should consider making this into a league, Numbski.

[nflhitman]

I dont want a team full of offensive lineman though so there should be some kind of limits on the way you make a team for your opponent.

[zhaoyun707]

I don't really get it, please explain for me.

[Numbski]

That's what the limitations I put into place were for:

1. You get to pick a skill position for yourself.
2. They must put at least 3 stars on offense.
3. They cannot stack positions so that stars are benched.

Any disputes are open for vote. If you say you want a star halfback, they have to give you that. If that means they give you a halfback, 2 tackles, 2 guards, and a center, a kicker, a punter, and the rest on D, that's a perfectly valid team build. They will have to answer for it in the fact that running the ball should be super easy, you'll be able to coffin corner them, and nail long field goals. The rules are fair for everyone here.

[Numbski]

I don't really get it, please explain for me.

Okay, for example, let's say we're playing each other in the first round. NFLHITMAN will arbitrate the teams, since I'm playing (as an example). We each get to request a skill position, so I would say I want a quarterback. Maybe you want a halfback.

I would then choose players FOR YOU. You want a halfback, so I'll give you Bronze Barry Foster. I am obligated to give you at least 2 other stars on offense. The remainder of the team I can build however I choose, so long as it falls within the team building rules. Once I pick your team, I would PM that to NFLHITMAN, who would wait for you to do the same for me. Once he has both of our team builds, he would post them on the forums. We would then play each other using the teams that we chose for each other.

[zatchery]

Numbski, how about this idea? We get 8 people to sign up for a league. We seed the players #1-8 in terms of rank. The 1st ranked player gets to choose the team for the 8th ranked player and vice versa. We can continue this with the 2nd ranked player choosing the 7th ranked players' team, etc.

[M CARDOSO1]

if its going to be a league I will not join

[Numbski]

Yeah, a league is too much commitment and overly complicates what's supposed to a simple, fun thing.

[Numbski]

Okie - so now that we're all clear what we're getting into....if we can get 4 more people in on this today, then we'll go 3 rounds, otherwise I'll cut it off and we can go 2 rounds. Anyone feel free to jump in here. :) At most you play 3 games.

[zatchery]

Did you count me in? Also, we're doing this in the Legend Lobby, correct?

[Numbski]

Yeah, legend lobby. Yeah, you're in unless you change your mind.

[Numbski]

Since I don't know how to count, that means we need 3 more, not 4.

[zatchery]

I just want to let you know that I probably won't be able to play until Monday. My 360 is on its way back from repair and it's scheduled to be delivered on Monday.

[M CARDOSO1]

im not going to do this, have fun with it though

[nflhitman]

I think you should be the one everyone sends there opponents team to and you forward after you get both teams. I can see it now.....

1 guy post his team and say he gave his opponent 3 LB's so before he post his opponents team he will make his team to not match up against his team he got. I suggest that all teams be sent to you and once you get both teams for a match up you than post the 2 teams with out the right to change anything on either team.

[Numbski]

I agree - but I can't do it for games I'm playing in.

[nflhitman]

I agree - but I can't do it for games I'm playing in.

I can do for your games.

[Numbski]

Okay, that works. We're back down to 4 people again. :\

So either I can leave it open through the weekend, or cut it off at 4. I'm surprised that for a commitment of 1-3 games things are so bare.

[zhaoyun707]

So they choose our offense and we choose our defense?

[Numbski]

Your opponent chooses your entire team for you. You don't reveal the teams directly - you PM it to whomever will be arbitrating your game (usually me - unless you're playing me, in which case you PM it to NFLHITMAN - if hitman and I play each other, we'll pick someone else to arbitrate it).

Make sense? You have the option of naming a skill position you want, and they must include that, otherwise they do everything.

[nflhitman]

Example Zohan is:

I will pick your team like this but you told me I need to at least give you a RB.

G: Joe Perry FB
G: Jack Lambert ILB
S: Jan Stenerud K
S: Mike Munchak G
S: Richmond Webb T
B: Ronnie Bull RB
B: Troy Drayton TE
B: Tony Martin WR
B: Bubby Brister QB
B: Lamar Lathon OLB
B: Solomon Wilcots FS

You would have to play with that team. But you are also making some crappy team for your opponent.

I do think Numbski that what position the player says he must have that it should be a Gold Pick that is used on it. You would get more takers with that thought process.

[Numbski]

If everyone agrees on that, I don't have an issue with it. I'm honestly perfectly okay with it otherwise.

[Numbski]

I guess since we're missing 1 player until monday, I'll go ahead and leave this open through the weekend. Is everyone in concensus about the rules? I know Hitman would like to make the mandatory pick a gold. I'm cool either way.

[nflhitman]

I am cool with it but I do want the mandatory pick to be a Gold player. Doesnt mean if the they choose RB that they will get Barry Sanders, they would probably get someone like Leroy Kelly.

[zhaoyun707]

Example Zohan is:

I will pick your team like this but you told me I need to at least give you a RB.

G: Joe Perry FB
G: Jack Lambert ILB
S: Jan Stenerud K
S: Mike Munchak G
S: Richmond Webb T
B: Ronnie Bull RB
B: Troy Drayton TE
B: Tony Martin WR
B: Bubby Brister QB
B: Lamar Lathon OLB
B: Solomon Wilcots FS

You would have to play with that team. But you are also making some crappy team for your opponent.

I do think Numbski that what position the player says he must have that it should be a Gold Pick that is used on it. You would get more takers with that thought process.
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