Tutor (Williams' promoter) offers 4 million dollars to Margaritio for a rematch

[warp]

Another career high payday from Williams. This'll be really funny if Margarito turns it down since he has no shot of landing De La Hoya, the higher payday.

[nickelzdropdimes]

AM will still wait to see what hoya says.....bottom line thats the money and the more significant fight.......

[Mumra]

I think Mararito should have a tune up fight if he cant get a match with DLH. He just won a huge fight by beating Cotto. No need to rush and take on another hard fight with Williams, even if it's to settle the score.

That fight can wait, If he's going to rush in for a big fight. Then let it be with Oscar, At least then he would get a bigger pay day then what he would get fighting Williams.

I'll say take on some lighter fight's build up more of a fan base. And then go after Williams, Berto, etc.

I think his last fight he earn 1.8 million against Cotto.

[warp]

He earned 1.5 and with PPV bonuses that might be like 2 mill or so.

Before with Williams he made about 1.2 million with a 395,000 dollar bonus. That's more then he would have made against Cotto the first time (June 2007)

[reppa]

I think Mararito should have a tune up fight if he cant get a match with DLH. He just won a huge fight by beating Cotto. No need to rush and take on another hard fight with Williams, even if it's to settle the score.

That fight can wait, If he's going to rush in for a big fight. Then let it be with Oscar, At least then he would get a bigger pay day then what he would get fighting Williams.

I'll say take on some lighter fight's build up more of a fan base. And then go after Williams, Berto, etc.

I think his last fight he earn 1.8 million against Cotto.

That's probably a good idea Mumra. I agree. I know Marg is tough and all, but he was getting hit with some shots. I'm sure that fight took a lot out of him as well as Cotto. I can't honestly tell you where I want to see Marg next. In a fight with Williams, Oscar, Clottey, etc. I guess Williams for the rematch, but Oscar for the payday. Well whoever it's against I just want to see him fight again.

[BANKY]

Another career high payday from Williams. This'll be really funny if Margarito turns it down since he has no shot of landing De La Hoya, the higher payday.
Why? Didn't he already fight williams? This would be like may beating dlh and then dlh turning down the next fight, right? What's so funny? you just wanna ride that may wang, don't you, lol.

[warp]

Why? Didn't he already fight williams? This would be like may beating dlh and then dlh turning down the next fight, right? What's so funny? you just wanna ride that may wang, don't you, lol.

Yes he fought Williams...AND LOST. But since Margarito beat Cotto Williams wants the number 1 (or 2) man in his division to start a new lineage. The thing is what's different about De La Hoya is 3 things, A. DLH didn't turn the rematch down, B. Floyd didn't offer him a career high pay day like Williams is Margarito, C. There was no demand for a rematch ever. There are a lot of demands for a Williams-Margarito rematch.

Let's face it, De La Hoya wants no part of Margarito, now Margarito really has 3 options:

1. Paul Williams: Currently offering him 4 million dollars, highest payday to date. Would be making more then he made for Cotto (1.5 million + PPV bonuses) and Williams (about 1.6 million total with the bonus).

2. Zab Judah: Not only coming off a loss to Joshua Clottey, but Margarito might fight him anyway because Clottey got injured. Will not be making 4 million dollars for a Judah fight. It wouldn't sell on PPV at all, which Arum is looking for a november PPV date.

3. Mandatory defense: Probably some WBA bum. Definietly not worth 4 million dollars.

Oh and for the record, I never supported a Mayweather-De La Hoya rematch, I'm a boxing fan and wanted to see the best fights possible. That was Mayweather-Cotto. Speaking of best fights out there, that's also Margarito-Williams 2. Margarito claimed how he was ducked for years and so it's ****ing hiliarious if he "ducks" Williams now, who is offering him a career high pay day.

[kcxiv]

He was ducked for years, but if he can somehow make a match with Oscar i am sure he wants to go that route which will be an EVEN BIGGER payday. I cant blame him for this one bit. IF he cant get an Oscar fight, i am sure he will go to the next biggest payday. He just won not even 2 weeks ago, give the guy a bit to weigh his options before just jumping into a next fight.

[warp]

I agree, but it isn't realistic and so he should take the money that Williams is giving him.

[BANKY]

I agree, but it isn't realistic and so he should take the money that Williams is giving him.
NOt what you said about may taking the money.

You said you didn't blame may, but now are gonna find it funny that marg is trying to do the same thing? Difference? Marg actually fought somebody first to earn the payday.

[BANKY]

Margarito claimed how he was ducked for years and so it's ****ing hiliarious if he "ducks" Williams now, who is offering him a career high pay day.
He isn't ducking Williams. It's not hilarious except to Mayweather fans who will jump at any SUPPOSED ***** in the armor to derail Margarito.

The truth, Margarito would beat Mayweather. he would knock him out and if Money may won a decision against him, he would be booed out of the arena for running. He will not stand and trade.

You see, May didn't fight margarito once and then refuse to fight him again. That's the difference between marg-williams and may-dlh.
Not the supposed reasons you pointed out.

Be honest, Margarito is a fighting champs champ. He has not and will duck anyone. If they earn their shot, he will fight them. He will fight Williams again.
For the record, I had it 115-113 margarito in that fight with Williams. Make fun all you want, but Pwill won with two scores of 115-113 Williams. Far cry from your card of 98-93 cotto and the 96-94 margarito by the two judges and myself.

Just man up and say it bro, "I WAS WRONG!" Margarito is not ducking Williams and will fight him AGAIN. I bold again, because he has already fought him once and lost a close decision, not a clear one, a close one.


YOU ARE A MAYWEATHER NUTHUGGER AND YOUR REFUSAL, EVEN NOW, IN THE FACE OF YOUR OVERLY BIASED CARD AND YOUR DECISION TO MAKE NOTE OF THIS SUPPOSED "DUCKING" OF WILLIAMS BY MARGARITO, CONFIRMS IT!

I have a question, who wins these matchups: Cotto-May and Margarito-May? Your answer is all anyone will need to know where you are coming from.

[Da Mad Gamer]

Margarito is right for going after Oscar because that's where the most money is. He's earned the right to a huge payday and the De la Hoya fight would give him that. How can anyone accuse Margarito of "ducking" Williams when he's already fought him? That's just stupid. He WILL fight Williams again, but why not go after the big fish first in Oscar? That's smart business by Margarito and his people.

[TDEEZY58]

The issue you have to look at is Williams would be doing the same thing to Cotto's people if he won, so its not a matter of anybody ducking anybody. Antonio's looking to get paid because he feels he's earned it which he has. Williams hasn't really earned. He eeked past Margarito on the cards and almost got dropped in the 11th. He got smoked by Quintana in their first fight but luckily hew KO'd him in the first to make up for it. Williams needs to get active and start beating any and every top ten guy at 147 that's not named Antonio Margarito (i.e. Mosley, Cotto, Cintron, Berto, Clottey). If he does this and Margarito still refuses to fight him then you could throw the "D" word around like that.

Williams is chasing money. What he hasn't realized is that the money will come as long as you win and entertain fans

[warp]

He isn't ducking Williams. It's not hilarious except to Mayweather fans who will jump at any SUPPOSED ***** in the armor to derail Margarito.

The truth, Margarito would beat Mayweather. he would knock him out and if Money may won a decision against him, he would be booed out of the arena for running. He will not stand and trade.

You see, May didn't fight margarito once and then refuse to fight him again. That's the difference between marg-williams and may-dlh.
Not the supposed reasons you pointed out.

Be honest, Margarito is a fighting champs champ. He has not and will duck anyone. If they earn their shot, he will fight them. He will fight Williams again.
For the record, I had it 115-113 margarito in that fight with Williams. Make fun all you want, but Pwill won with two scores of 115-113 Williams. Far cry from your card of 98-93 cotto and the 96-94 margarito by the two judges and myself.

Just man up and say it bro, "I WAS WRONG!" Margarito is not ducking Williams and will fight him AGAIN. I bold again, because he has already fought him once and lost a close decision, not a clear one, a close one.


YOU ARE A MAYWEATHER NUTHUGGER AND YOUR REFUSAL, EVEN NOW, IN THE FACE OF YOUR OVERLY BIASED CARD AND YOUR DECISION TO MAKE NOTE OF THIS SUPPOSED "DUCKING" OF WILLIAMS BY MARGARITO, CONFIRMS IT!

I have a question, who wins these matchups: Cotto-May and Margarito-May? Your answer is all anyone will need to know where you are coming from.

Are you an idiot? Do you realize why I put ducked in quotes? It's beause it's loosely defining the term. I don't believe in fighters ducking each other(Handlers ducking other fighters are a different story). They have other intentions and definietly aren't scared of each other. I don't think Margarito is ducking Williams, but it makes him a hypocrite for saying "Mayweather ducked me and turned down a career high payday" and then he turns down a career high pay day from Williams.

I find it funny. I'm sorry, but maybe if you'd take that stick out of your *** you'd realize it. I'm not a mayweather nuthugger. He should have fought Cotto and should be fighitng Margarito now, but he retired. That's tough ****. The boxing world isn't all ****s and giggles. I perfectly understand where Margarito is coming from trying to chase the bigger payday, but he can't have it both ways. He can't say he was the most avoided man and then avoid (I don't think this personally, but it looks like it) Williams.

Margarito isn't going to make more then 4 million from anybody else, except possibly a Cotto rematch and of course De La Hoya, so he should fight Paul Williams. It's also the best fight out there for the fans. Just like how Mayweather-Cotto fight was. This is THE fight for the welterweight division.

BY THE WAY I LIKE TYPING IN CAPS TO PROVE A POINT TOO. SEE LOOK AT ME! I'M ALL COOL AND "EXPOSING" THE OTHER POSTER. KIND OF LIKE PLAYING PHOENIX WRIGHT

[King-Of-Kings]

warp dont bother with banky. I saw it from far away that this guy is a die hard margarito fan and a mayweather hater. What kills me is that he thinks he knows a lot about boxing and thinks fighters like mayweather arent true boxers because they dont stand in their and trade ..

banky use your brain , why in gods name would a fighter that is much smaller than margarito trade with him?

[reppa]

In Mayweather's defense, I don't think he should have left 135-140. He was chasing Oscar and he got in over his head. These guys are too big for him. Personally I don't find Floyd's fighting style that exciting. I like fighters like Cotto, Marg, Pavlik, N. Donaire, Gamboa, Vasquez, etc. It's becasue these guys are so much bigger than him and pose a serious threat of knocking him out that he has to fight the way he does. I'm sorry, but I have no interest in seeing Floyd run, potshot and grab Marg to win. I understand that that is the only way he could win, but come on. That's just boring. Even if Floyd did pull out a win, I wouldn't call that beating Marg. I wouldn't even call that a fight.

[BANKY]

This is the worst they can say about Margarito.

"YOUR DUCKING SOMEONE YOU ALREADY FOUGHT AND ITS FUNNY, HAHAHAHA!"

You are right reppa, it isn't a fight, its ballroom dancing, floyd's great at that.

Warp, no need to get testy. I see through you. You too, kings.

You can't fight the funk with Margarito. May couldn't do it and you know it. You know this, because Floyd himself knew this. Hence, the reason he wouldn't take the fight.

I may be a tony nuthugger, but at least I like someone who fights and doesn't run.

War the truth machine.

[BANKY]

banky use your brain , why in gods name would a fighter that is much smaller than margarito trade with him?
Kings, use your brain, money.;)

[warp]

This is the worst they can say about Margarito.

"YOUR DUCKING SOMEONE YOU ALREADY FOUGHT AND ITS FUNNY, HAHAHAHA!"

You are right reppa, it isn't a fight, its ballroom dancing, floyd's great at that.

Warp, no need to get testy. I see through you. You too, kings.

You can't fight the funk with Margarito. May couldn't do it and you know it. You know this, because Floyd himself knew this. Hence, the reason he wouldn't take the fight.

I may be a tony nuthugger, but at least I like someone who fights and doesn't run.

War the truth machine.

Way to ignore all my points. You go support your warriors (which I like too. Vasquez is probably my favorite Warrior right now) and I'll watch my "runners". If you'd actually read my post, Margarito isn't ducking Williams.

Also if you can't fight the funk with Margarito, then how come Williams and Santos were able to beat him (I'll ignore the other three losses. Margarito was like 16)?

[BANKY]

Way to ignore all my points. You go support your warriors (which I like too. Vasquez is probably my favorite Warrior right now) and I'll watch my "runners". If you'd actually read my post, Margarito isn't ducking Williams.

Also if you can't fight the funk with Margarito, then how come Williams and Santos were able to beat him (I'll ignore the other three losses. Margarito was like 16)?
Did you watch the fights, warp?
The Santos fight was stopped on a technicality with Margarito charging hard. I had it for margarito at the time of stoppage by one point. Obviously, the judges saw it the other way. Not a big deal. Clash of heads(you know, that happens when you trade punches, has may ever been cut?) and then bam, the fight is over. Against Pwill, he started to slow. We all saw it. I can admit that he lost fair and square, but the fact remains, Pwill was the only one hurt in that fight. He couldn't hurt Margarito. But AM could sure hurt him. Pwill, from this one fight, became known as slappy in a lot of circles.

My guess, Margarito would win a rematch with Pwill, just cause he has been starting faster. Pwill is the truth, he went with the truth machine and came out a victor by the slimmest of margins. Major props for that. Santos got lucky.

My can't fight the funk comment stems from the fact that AM can't be cheated, you have to fight to beat him. He's not gonna run from you. He's not gonna let you just take victory, you have to snatch it from him. and in an honorable way, no less.

Can you say that with Floyd?

Lastly, you think im saying, who's body looks like it took more damage? When in actuality, im saying, "Who's hurt more?" Not, who's face looks like it damages easier.

Look, these are the rules straight from abcboxing.com. all factor in equally. Note the parenthesis on #1. Power vs. quantity. These are straight from the guys who make the rules, warp.
1. Clean punching (power versus quantity).
2. Effective aggressiveness.
3. Ring generalship.
4. Defense.
#1: Clean punching, power vs quantity. Cotto won this clearly in round 1, 3, 5. That's it, the rest of the time, it was all Margarito. He landed the more powerful shots, as evidenced by the stoppage of cotto in the 11th from the accumulation.
#2: Effective aggressiveness. Again, Cotto only won this clearly in rounds 1, 3, and 5. The rest of the time, It was AM with all the effective aggression.
#3: Ring Generalship. I look at this as a, "who imposed their will" type thing. Not, "how well did you use the ring" Common misconception. Well, in this area, Margarito won every round. Who's fight was fought.
#4: Defense. Cotto won this in every round except 11 with his great foot movement. Even still, it is only 25% of the equation.

No one aspect shall be weighted more than the others. This is straight from the Unified rules of the Association of Boxing Commissions.

Warp. Look, just say it. This wasn't your finest moment. It's ok, it happens to us all. But truthfully, don't let your emotions get you so wrapped up that one guy is dominating a fight and forget to score other aspects.
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BTW, i wouldn't ignore your points if it didn't start out with, "are you an idiot?" I don't remember doing that to you. I remember posting your card and poking fun at you. That happens in this sport when you are woefully wrong, and we are all wrong sometimes, right?
Speaking of margarito being hypocritical, here's what i think of that.
Seriously, i Heard this great line the other day.
"Do you like getting handjobs?"

"Do you like giving handjobs?"

Well then, that like, makes you a hypocricist too.

As for taking sticks out of butts, uh, well, i'll leave that to your imagination. You are trying to make an issue of Margarito avoiding williams. You can't say, "He can't say he was the most avoided man and then avoid Williams" and then say, "(I don't think this personally, but it looks like it)" Which is it man? Is he avoiding him or not? Do you believe it personally or not? AM has never avoided anybody and doesn't have a history of it. You are trying to make this an issue because may did it and are trying to prove a point that its what they all do. Well, they don't. Even if they don't fight right away, they will fight again. Rest Assured. There is a much bigger difference between never fighting and granting a rematch.

BTW, just looked up Phoenix wright, cause i have no idea what that is and uh, yeah, have fun with that, lmao.

[korey1980]

I think Mararito should have a tune up fight if he cant get a match with DLH. He just won a huge fight by beating Cotto. No need to rush and take on another hard fight with Williams, even if it's to settle the score.

That fight can wait, If he's going to rush in for a big fight. Then let it be with Oscar, At least then he would get a bigger pay day then what he would get fighting Williams.

I'll say take on some lighter fight's build up more of a fan base. And then go after Williams, Berto, etc.

No that fight cant wait, Cotto vs Margo wouldve established the king of the welters if Cotto had won, but since Margo won its up in the air again because of Margos loss to pwill. We want a lineal champ, dont we?

[Goodfella2279]

I would be more interested in seeing a rematch with Paul Williams over seeing Antonio fight and most likely beat DLH, but at the same time I want to see Antonio finally get the big fights that have eluded him his entire career. He finally had the big fight he always wanted, and he came up huge beating Cotto. Now, he wants to strike while the iron's hot, which I have no problem with. I agree that maybe he should take a bit of a tuneup fight before heading into a big one, but at the same time it's Margorito's time now and I don't blame him one bit for wanting the big money fight against Oscar. Whether it will happen or not remains to be seen, but Antonio has never and likely will never duck anyone. Trust me, if the Williams fight isn't his next fight, he will want to fight Williams again. That's for sure.

I noticed that Banky had a thread that said that he gave Cotto 3 rounds or so and the rest to Margorito. Now Banky, you're a knowledgable boxing guy and I usually agree with your posts but I felt that Cotto won most of the early portions of the fight. They were both landing big shots, and Cotto was landing very clean hard punches to Margarito. Yes, Margo was pressing forward and his aggression was great but Cotto landed more punches and they weren't pitty pat punches, they were hard shots that would have hurt most human boxers. What made what Margarito did in that fight so impressive was that he took those shots and kept coming, and they didn't hurt him at all. He was like some kind of Terminator, which is why I don't see Cotto beating him in a rematch because he can't hurt him.

I only gave Margarito like 1 round in the first 6 but then, much like Chavez vs. Taylor, Margarito's harder shots and aggression started to take the fight over. To be honest, the fight was one that could have been scored either way. All depended on what you were looking for. I had Cotto up going into the 11th but only by 2 rounds or so. It was a tough fight to score though so I definitely see how if you reward effective aggresiveness more, then Margo would have won many of the rounds. But Cotto's movement and combinations were impressive and I thought in the early portions of the fight he looked fantastic. But Cotto didn't go to the body at all, which was a dumb gameplan and Margarito, who is a cardio machine, never got worn down or tired. It was a great fight.

[BANKY]

I would be more interested in seeing a rematch with Paul Williams over seeing Antonio fight and most likely beat DLH, but at the same time I want to see Antonio finally get the big fights that have eluded him his entire career. He finally had the big fight he always wanted, and he came up huge beating Cotto. Now, he wants to strike while the iron's hot, which I have no problem with. I agree that maybe he should take a bit of a tuneup fight before heading into a big one, but at the same time it's Margorito's time now and I don't blame him one bit for wanting the big money fight against Oscar. Whether it will happen or not remains to be seen, but Antonio has never and likely will never duck anyone. Trust me, if the Williams fight isn't his next fight, he will want to fight Williams again. That's for sure.

I noticed that Banky had a thread that said that he gave Cotto 3 rounds or so and the rest to Margorito. Now Banky, you're a knowledgable boxing guy and I usually agree with your posts but I felt that Cotto won most of the early portions of the fight. They were both landing big shots, and Cotto was landing very clean hard punches to Margarito. Yes, Margo was pressing forward and his aggression was great but Cotto landed more punches and they weren't pitty pat punches, they were hard shots that would have hurt most human boxers. What made what Margarito did in that fight so impressive was that he took those shots and kept coming, and they didn't hurt him at all. He was like some kind of Terminator, which is why I don't see Cotto beating him in a rematch because he can't hurt him.

I only gave Margarito like 1 round in the first 6 but then, much like Chavez vs. Taylor, Margarito's harder shots and aggression started to take the fight over. To be honest, the fight was one that could have been scored either way. All depended on what you were looking for. I had Cotto up going into the 11th but only by 2 rounds or so. It was a tough fight to score though so I definitely see how if you reward effective aggresiveness more, then Margo would have won many of the rounds. But Cotto's movement and combinations were impressive and I thought in the early portions of the fight he looked fantastic. But Cotto didn't go to the body at all, which was a dumb gameplan and Margarito, who is a cardio machine, never got worn down or tired. It was a great fight.
Yeah, i should have been more specific. Those three rounds, the 1st, 3rd, and 5th, i meant to say he clearly won. the 2nd, 4th, 6th were all toss up rounds, pickems if you will.
My card actually read 96-94 margarito at the end of 10.

I gave margo the 2nd and the 6th. Cotto the 4th. I was just stating that according to the rules, clean punching, aggression, defense and ring generalship, cotto won certain aspects of those rounds. That doesnt mean that someone couldn't have seen ring generalship for cotto for a couple of rounds(namely the 2nd, 4th or 6th). So, if he wins the defense, the ring generalship and then clean punching in the toss up rounds, he wins the rounds.

I can honestly see a 96-94 card for cotto at the time of stoppage. That is absolutely plausible. 97-93? no. 98-93? no. 99-91? no.

I'm just saying, some people's cards are laughably bad. I have gone through this debate with many people on how to score a fight. It's also why i try to use www.fightjudge.com whenever possible. To see how i am doing.

BTW, i've rewatched this fight every night since it happened. I've gone to sleep with it still on the tube. It's glorious to watch.

[nickelzdropdimes]

one thigs for sure......there will be some big fights next year....hopefully its the ones we want to see...

in 09....i smell someone coming out of retirement..can you smell it?

[TDEEZY58]

Against Pwill, he started to slow. We all saw it. I can admit that he lost fair and square, but the fact remains, Pwill was the only one hurt in that fight.He couldn't hurt Margarito. But AM could sure hurt him. Pwill, from this one fight, became known as slappy in a lot of circles.

All of this is true. Margarito didn't get started till about the 5th round. When AM did get started Williams tried to beat AM at his own game and it did him no good because when Williams got in the phone booth with AM he has no power. When Williams stayed on the outside he was effective and had some but not much stopping power because he was keeping Margarito on the end of his punches.

My guess, Margarito would win a rematch with Pwill, just cause he has been starting faster. Pwill is the truth, he went with the truth machine and came out a victor by the slimmest of margins.

It would be a good fight, but think Williams is starting find a little more pop in his punches. I don't think AM walks through him with ease. As good as his chin is, AM has to realize that Williams isn't 5'8, he's 6'1. He can't just walk into a straight left hand. I'd like to see AM use more head movement because I think it would set up his left hook to the body and his uppercuts with both hands.

[Goodfella2279]

I mean, how often does a fight with that much hype about how it's going to be the fight of the year actually live up to expectations. I am a huge Cotto fan, and have to admit that it was tough to watch him get beat like that, but at the same time I'm a Margarito fan also and was just in awe of his ability to eat punches like they were nothing and wear down a fighter. One thing I noticed was that in the latter half of the fight, Margarito started cutting off the ring more effectively and had more success. That could have been a result of Cotto getting tired, but I also think it was Margarito adapting to the situation. Anyway, great great fight in which I didn't really feel there was a loser. Both fighters embodied what is right about boxing, and even in losing my respect for Cotto has gone even higher. And Margarito? God, unless he has a really off night I don't know who can beat him, and that includes Williams and Mayweather.

[TDEEZY58]

And Margarito? God, unless he has a really off night I don't know who can beat him, and that includes Williams and Mayweather.

The problem with that declaration is that Williams already did and its not like Williams skills have diminished any. He KO'd Quintana legitimately. He may have found his pop at 147. The fact that he's 6'1 helps. To say Margarito isn't beatable is a stretch. Clottey also fought Antonio tough.

[BANKY]

The problem with that declaration is that Williams already did and its not like Williams skills have diminished any. He KO'd Quintana legitimately. He may have found his pop at 147. The fact that he's 6'1 helps. To say Margarito isn't beatable is a stretch. Clottey also fought Antonio tough.
He didn't say that, deez. He said, "unless he has a night off, he doesn't know who can beat him"

That doesn't sound like unbeatable. To be fair, with Pwill, he started slow. If he starts the fight the way he started it with cotto, pwill would be dusted about the same time. I don't equate pwill ko'ing quintana as "finding" a punch. It's quintana, he's been beaten by cotto. And quintana beat pwill(yes pwill avenged it, but he did lose the first fight).

If the best of both guys comes to fight, imo, pwill gets dusted. You see, pwill barely hung on for that victory against AM. Even then, alot and i mean, alot of scribes thought AM won the fight, 7-5. Mark my words, WHEN the fight with pwill is made, pwill gets beat. jmo.

Clottey, he did fight antonio tough, but alot of people like to mention that clottey hurt his hand. To them I say, show me a link where clottey had xrays, or visited a doctor or anything(not that you said anything deez, cause i know you didn't). It was a hand bruise, that's all it was. That doesn't say tough to me, about clottey.

That being said, I don't think you can put Pwill ahead of Margarito. Right now, AM beat the man. Now, AM is the man. When Pwill beat AM, he was not the man. Now that AM is the man, Pwill wants to fight him again. The fight will happen, if not right away, in the next fight after that. AM doesn't duck and i would be surprised if he does it here.

Warp, the fight chick off of ringtalk.com, william detloff, jim lampley,,,,,,,,,,,,,all these people are AM haters. Saying that he whined alot before, that he is "ducking" Pwill now, that he is not a better boxer than cotto(after just beating him? makes a lot of sense), or that he is not landing anything of significance(in the 10th round no less, geez lampley, get your head out of cotto's 455).

There are a lot of people out there who still refuse to give this man credit. These are the same people that were espousing Floyd's virtues as a "skilled" practicioner in the ring. Well, when skill meets will, which wins out? That is the heart of these discussions.
It's nice to see that there are a lot of fans who margarito all the credit in the world for employing a boxing strategy to beat cotto's boxing strategy. Pressure is a skill, just like dancing. both boxing skills. Which would we all rather see?

[TDEEZY58]

He didn't say that, deez. He said, "unless he has a night off, he doesn't know who can beat him"

You're right

If the best of both guys comes to fight, imo, pwill gets dusted. You see, pwill barely hung on for that victory against AM. Even then, alot and i mean, alot of scribes thought AM won the fight, 7-5. Mark my words, WHEN the fight with pwill is made, pwill gets beat. jmo.

Right now I would agree with you. AM would probably get the win. However, Williams is learning to use his height more and keep guys on the end of his punches. There's no doubt that Margarito has a great chin, but getting hit by a 5'8 guy going backwards and 6'1 standing still if different. Williams has the frame that wouldn't allow Margarito to push him around like he usually does. If Williams stays out of the phone booth with Antonio he could get the nod on the cards but its too tough to say because I would need to see Williams fight again before they met.

Clottey, he did fight antonio tough, but alot of people like to mention that clottey hurt his hand. To them I say, show me a link where clottey had xrays, or visited a doctor or anything(not that you said anything deez, cause i know you didn't). It was a hand bruise, that's all it was. That doesn't say tough to me, about clottey.

After reading that it made me realize something. Clottey didn't ask to fight Margarito, who was in the building, after beating Judah. Nor did he ask for Williams. He asked for Berto, the untested smaller guy, which is probably the easiest of the three to beat. I'm not throwing out the "D" word but Clottey might just be chasing a belt. Not saying anything bad about the man, just some thoughts.

AM doesn't duck and i would be surprised if he does it here.

AM won't duck him but I don't strike him as an idiot either. If by miracle he gets offered the chance to fight DLH for 8 figures he should do it. Williams ain't going no where. Like you said, he could probably beat Williams anyway. Why not get paid big and then deal with Williams afterwards. There's nothing wrong with that. The opportunity to fight Oscar only comes around once, or twice if you beat him the first time.

[King-Of-Kings]

After reading that it made me realize something. Clottey didn't ask to fight Margarito, who was in the building, after beating Judah. Nor did he ask for Williams. He asked for Berto, the untested smaller guy, which is probably the easiest of the three to beat. I'm not throwing out the "D" word but Clottey might just be chasing a belt. Not saying anything bad about the man, just some thoughts.


Are you sure ? Read this right after the fight vs judah who CLOTTEY wants to fight..:D

August 04, 2008

JOSHUA CLOTTEY WANTS MARGARITO REMATCH ASAP
By G. Leon

GL: Congrats on your victory, can you give us some thoughts on your performance? "I think I was trying to wear him down. We were thinking that he's going to get tired in five rounds. But I did what I had to do to win the fight."

GL: Was there anything about Zab Judah that surprised you?

JC: "He fought well and fought like the old Zab Judah. When I was expecting him to get tired he was still going and trying his best and that surprised."


GL: Did you think you were going to knock him out had the fight continued?

JC: "I know he wasn't going to make twelve rounds. My trainer told me to step up, from round nine to twelve I was going to go all out and I was going to knock him out. I was fighting at a regular pace."

GL: When the fight was first waved off you reacted as though you won by knockout. What was going through you head when you figured out they were going to the cards?

JC: "I was thinking, what's going on? I didn't hit him with my head. He was using my head more than I was. When they did that, I was like wow, how can this happen. I know he was throwing his jab and I knew it was a good fight, so I was a little worried. I didn't want to leave it to the judges."

GL: What does becoming champion mean to you?

JC: "It means a lot because I've been struggling my whole life to become champion. Now people will know I am champion and I'm going to look to make fights with everybody who don't want to fight me.

GL: Who do you want to fight the most?

JC: "Margarito. We have to fight again to prove that my hand caused me to lose that fight. I really want to fight with Margarito."

GL: If not Margarito, who else?

JC: "Andre Berto, he's a DiBella boxer and I would love to unify the belts and put that green belt around my waist. I want that green belt."

GL: When might your next fight take place?

JC: "I want to fight before the end of the year, but I'll have to talk to my people and see."

GL: Closing thoughts for the fans?

JC: "I really want to thank Bob Arum for what he has done for me. I want to thank Boxingtalk and G. Leon as well, and all of my fans around the world."

[TDEEZY58]

I didn't say he didn't want to, but he didn't ask for Margarito when directly asked by Max. Why not mention Margarito while Kellerman has the mic in his face? I'm not saying he doesn't want to fight him, but I think he would rather face Berto because its an easier fight. From what I hear he tore his bicep in the Judah fight so it will be a while before he fights again. How do you get from Margarito, the best in the division, to Berto, the untested champ/prospect that happens to have a belt?

[warp]

Did you watch the fights, warp?
The Santos fight was stopped on a technicality with Margarito charging hard. I had it for margarito at the time of stoppage by one point. Obviously, the judges saw it the other way. Not a big deal. Clash of heads(you know, that happens when you trade punches, has may ever been cut?) and then bam, the fight is over. Against Pwill, he started to slow. We all saw it. I can admit that he lost fair and square, but the fact remains, Pwill was the only one hurt in that fight. He couldn't hurt Margarito. But AM could sure hurt him. Pwill, from this one fight, became known as slappy in a lot of circles.

My guess, Margarito would win a rematch with Pwill, just cause he has been starting faster. Pwill is the truth, he went with the truth machine and came out a victor by the slimmest of margins. Major props for that. Santos got lucky.

My can't fight the funk comment stems from the fact that AM can't be cheated, you have to fight to beat him. He's not gonna run from you. He's not gonna let you just take victory, you have to snatch it from him. and in an honorable way, no less.

Can you say that with Floyd?

Lastly, you think im saying, who's body looks like it took more damage? When in actuality, im saying, "Who's hurt more?" Not, who's face looks like it damages easier.

Look, these are the rules straight from abcboxing.com. all factor in equally. Note the parenthesis on #1. Power vs. quantity. These are straight from the guys who make the rules, warp.
1. Clean punching (power versus quantity).
2. Effective aggressiveness.
3. Ring generalship.
4. Defense.
#1: Clean punching, power vs quantity. Cotto won this clearly in round 1, 3, 5. That's it, the rest of the time, it was all Margarito. He landed the more powerful shots, as evidenced by the stoppage of cotto in the 11th from the accumulation.
#2: Effective aggressiveness. Again, Cotto only won this clearly in rounds 1, 3, and 5. The rest of the time, It was AM with all the effective aggression.
#3: Ring Generalship. I look at this as a, "who imposed their will" type thing. Not, "how well did you use the ring" Common misconception. Well, in this area, Margarito won every round. Who's fight was fought.
#4: Defense. Cotto won this in every round except 11 with his great foot movement. Even still, it is only 25% of the equation.

No one aspect shall be weighted more than the others. This is straight from the Unified rules of the Association of Boxing Commissions.

Warp. Look, just say it. This wasn't your finest moment. It's ok, it happens to us all. But truthfully, don't let your emotions get you so wrapped up that one guy is dominating a fight and forget to score other aspects.
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BTW, i wouldn't ignore your points if it didn't start out with, "are you an idiot?" I don't remember doing that to you. I remember posting your card and poking fun at you. That happens in this sport when you are woefully wrong, and we are all wrong sometimes, right?
Speaking of margarito being hypocritical, here's what i think of that.
Seriously, i Heard this great line the other day.
"Do you like getting handjobs?"

"Do you like giving handjobs?"

Well then, that like, makes you a hypocricist too.

As for taking sticks out of butts, uh, well, i'll leave that to your imagination. You are trying to make an issue of Margarito avoiding williams. You can't say, "He can't say he was the most avoided man and then avoid Williams" and then say, "(I don't think this personally, but it looks like it)" Which is it man? Is he avoiding him or not? Do you believe it personally or not? AM has never avoided anybody and doesn't have a history of it. You are trying to make this an issue because may did it and are trying to prove a point that its what they all do. Well, they don't. Even if they don't fight right away, they will fight again. Rest Assured. There is a much bigger difference between never fighting and granting a rematch.

BTW, just looked up Phoenix wright, cause i have no idea what that is and uh, yeah, have fun with that, lmao.


You do realize that Margarito admits losing to Santos before the decision was even announced right? He knew he lost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgtXsGoqR4E

Also I don't know how Margarito started so slow when Williams was overwhelming him with his workrate personally. Margarito couldn't get off until Williams started slowing down.

For Cotto Margarito, you say power vs quanity, but notice the clean punching part. Clean. Margarito's shots, while wearing Cotto down, were being partially blocked. He would break through the guard, but he's still going through the guard. Oh and also, I don't think Cotto was dominating the fight. Just because I had a wide scorecard doesn't mean Margarito wasn't having effect on him. He was just losing the rounds.

I don't think Margarito is avoiding Williams, but he can't keep the title of "most avoided man" if he turns down a career high payday worth 4 million dollars. I can understand reasons like he's trying to chase a De La Hoya fight (though that isn't going to happen), but it appears he's ducking Williams to other fans. Like if Obama raises taxes to help [insert here] I may personally think it's ok, but others don't.

Also I don't know why everyone has to toe to toe and trade. Why is potshotting/stick and move/defense centered a "cowards way of fighting" I think it's great to watch. Boxer's carefully picking their spots, making the other guy miss and then countering back, making them pay, etc. I love a good slugfest and there is technical ability in a lot of them, but I find a good high pace boxing match to be just as good.

Oh and another thing. I know Margarito does not have a history of avoiding, but it sure as hell looked like it when he backed out of a Cotto fight in 2007 for a career high payday and the "easier fight" (according to him) to fight Williams. Don't give me that BS of he wanted to defend his WBO belt either. That's only after the fight was signed he said that. He would have made more against Williams and so he took it. Does that make him a coward for not fighting the better more well known fighter and taking the other fight because it has more money envolved? Granted now that Margarito beat Cotto and he lost to Williams, it doesn't look like Cotto was the better fighter, but Cotto was more regraded as the tougher fight at the time.

Lastly, Phoneix Wright is a DS lawyer game and whenever PW exposes them they always use CAPS TO PROVE A POINT.