The best welterweight ....

[King-Of-Kings]

Im gonna say it guys, and i might get ripped from other peeps but i truly feel that the best welterweight since mayweather retired is...

J. Clottey

Before anybody says something let me just say that im a huge MAYWEATHER fan and maybe my reasons are biased because the next actual tactition that reminds me like pbf is clottey . Not as quick as mayweather but knows how to box real well and has all the other skills mayweather has like defense, movement, picking his shots..

I know he lost to margarito a while back but it was a very close fight , a fight he was controlling early on but was bested from the better fighter that day.

I think he can beat cotto, cintron, williams, and all the top welters out there and i think if he rematches margarito he can get him .

[BANKY]

Im gonna say it guys, and i might get ripped from other peeps but i truly feel that the best welterweight since mayweather retired is...

J. Clottey

Before anybody says something let me just say that im a huge MAYWEATHER fan and maybe my reasons are biased because the next actual tactition that reminds me like pbf is clottey . Not as quick as mayweather but knows how to box real well and has all the other skills mayweather has like defense, movement, picking his shots..

I know he lost to margarito a while back but it was a very close fight , a fight he was controlling early on but was bested from the better fighter that day.

I think he can beat cotto, cintron, williams, and all the top welters out there and i think if he rematches margarito he can get him .
I agree, he is at least a top 3 guy. Margarito is the only i think can beat him. Him and Pwill is a pick em. To me, he reminds me of Margarito, he's not a slick boxer, but one who comes forward.

1 margarito
2 pwill
3 clottey

[nickelzdropdimes]

cotto vs. clottey would be nice to see......a good fight in general

[AntDawg]

Im gonna say it guys, and i might get ripped from other peeps but i truly feel that the best welterweight since mayweather retired is...

J. Clottey

Before anybody says something let me just say that im a huge MAYWEATHER fan and maybe my reasons are biased because the next actual tactition that reminds me like pbf is clottey . Not as quick as mayweather but knows how to box real well and has all the other skills mayweather has like defense, movement, picking his shots..

I know he lost to margarito a while back but it was a very close fight , a fight he was controlling early on but was bested from the better fighter that day.

I think he can beat cotto, cintron, williams, and all the top welters out there and i think if he rematches margarito he can get him . I agree I think he is the best at the weight right now. I think he can beat Margarito if they rematch for sure.

[shadio3]

lol, clotty is your typical african fighter with the classic african stlye of boxing. I knew the younger clotty josh would stand out sooner or later due to his time here in the states, his older brother was a good journeymen. J clotty fights just like ike quartey (winky writes idol). Clotty will due good for a while, but then sooner or later i see him getting stopped due to his constant injury during his fights. AGAIN, in this zab fight it seems clotty tore some muscle in the 5th rd & thats why zab was able to come on a bit. These injuries concern me

he will be one of those TUFF gatekeeper boxers, but i cant see him really droopin a dime and doin some real damage in the welt division.

shadio: true boxing fan

[King-Of-Kings]

AGAIN, in this zab fight it seems clotty tore some muscle in the 5th rd & thats why zab was able to come on a bit. These injuries concern me



injuries is the only thing that concerns me also, why cant these fighters be like a video game and we can put injuries settings off. haha

[reppa]

lol, clotty is your typical african fighter with the classic african stlye of boxing. I knew the younger clotty josh would stand out sooner or later due to his time here in the states, his older brother was a good journeymen. J clotty fights just like ike quartey (winky writes idol). Clotty will due good for a while, but then sooner or later i see him getting stopped due to his constant injury during his fights. AGAIN, in this zab fight it seems clotty tore some muscle in the 5th rd & thats why zab was able to come on a bit. These injuries concern me

he will be one of those TUFF gatekeeper boxers, but i cant see him really droopin a dime and doin some real damage in the welt division.

shadio: true boxing fan

Clottey has good defense, but I knew there was some reason I didn't care for him too much. I know I said I would root for him, but I just don't care for that cover up style like Winky has. He will be tough to beat, but Marg's shots will eventually get through imo.

[korey1980]

I'll say that Clottey is the most gifted fight in the welter division, but I wont say hes the best. He could certainly teach Cotto a few things of defense, having lasted 12 rounds against Margo with a broken hand, and limited output because of it. My top 4 are Margo,Pwill, Cotto, then Clottey.

[korey1980]

And another thing if Cotto and Pwill ever faught, I would without a doubt favor Cotto as the fictor.

[Goodfella2279]

I don't think Clottey is the best welter in the division. I can see him being top 5 but I see Margarito as 1, and even though he lost Cotto still is 2 or 3 with Paul Williams taking the other spot. Cotto fought his *** off in that fight and even though he lost, he's still at the very top of the welterweight division and I feel he would be anyone else outside of Margarito, and that includes Clottey and Mayweather. Clottey would rank probably 4 on my list. He's a very good fighter but I don't see him beating Margarito or Cotto if they ever fought. Him vs. Paul Williams would be a real good, evenly matched fight, though.

[AntDawg]

I don't think Clottey is the best welter in the division. I can see him being top 5 but I see Margarito as 1, and even though he lost Cotto still is 2 or 3 with Paul Williams taking the other spot. Cotto fought his *** off in that fight and even though he lost, he's still at the very top of the welterweight division and I feel he would be anyone else outside of Margarito, and that includes Clottey and Mayweather. Clottey would rank probably 4 on my list. He's a very good fighter but I don't see him beating Margarito or Cotto if they ever fought. Him vs. Paul Williams would be a real good, evenly matched fight, though. Considering that he went a full 12 rounds with Margarito with a broken hand most of the way through I say he can beat Margarito. Definitely can beat Cotto...Cotto showed he gets tired easy if you go to his body...then the fact he can't take a punch to the chin either. I don't have Margarito in the top either...possible he loses to any top fighter he faces next unless he fought Judah. Thats just my opinion. I really do get why people say Cotto fought his heart out or w/e dude got tired after 6 rounds...got hurt multiple times in the fight...overall he didn't look good to me. After round 6 it was over.

[King-Of-Kings]

Considering that he went a full 12 rounds with Margarito with a broken hand most of the way through I say he can beat Margarito. Definitely can beat Cotto...Cotto showed he gets tired easy if you go to his body...then the fact he can't take a punch to the chin either. I don't have Margarito in the top either...possible he loses to any top fighter he faces next unless he fought Judah. Thats just my opinion. I really do get why people say Cotto fought his heart out or w/e dude got tired after 6 rounds...got hurt multiple times in the fight...overall he didn't look good to me. After round 6 it was over.

I agree ! Some peeps love the back and forth punch exchanging deal which puts them in a category of great fights or both fighters fought their best or their all, but to me its nothing but horrible defense from both sides and far away from boxing their best which i thought cotto showed bad defense after the early rounds. Funny thing is that margarito defense was worse but marg has it in him that he wont get hurt so why have a defense and just kept coming forward.

Clottey will be the best welter soon enough when he rematches margarito and beats him. Cotto is a solid fighter and i enjoy watching his fights every time but i truly feel clottey will get to him in the later rounds and take over.

[BANKY]

Considering that he went a full 12 rounds with Margarito with a broken hand most of the way through I say he can beat Margarito. Definitely can beat Cotto...Cotto showed he gets tired easy if you go to his body...then the fact he can't take a punch to the chin either. I don't have Margarito in the top either...possible he loses to any top fighter he faces next unless he fought Judah. Thats just my opinion. I really do get why people say Cotto fought his heart out or w/e dude got tired after 6 rounds...got hurt multiple times in the fight...overall he didn't look good to me. After round 6 it was over.
Broken hand? WTF?! u kidding?
For the record, margo's hand was hurt going into the fight too. Before it actually started.

As for clottey, i do consider him a top 3 welter, but broken hand? uh, no.

Can anyone provide a link to this supposed injury? There was no MRI results, no xrays, no nothing.

It was a hand bruise, a f'n hand bruise.

I know its your opinion, but that opinion should be based on facts. The fact is, clottey made it known that he hurt himself midway through the fight, with a phantom injury that was never followed up on afterwards. In his fight with judah, he said nothing about anything when his bicep got hurt, cause he was winning.

coincidence? you make the call.

[BANKY]

I agree ! Some peeps love the back and forth punch exchanging deal which puts them in a category of great fights or both fighters fought their best or their all, but to me its nothing but horrible defense from both sides and far away from boxing their best which i thought cotto showed bad defense after the early rounds. Funny thing is that margarito defense was worse but marg has it in him that he wont get hurt so why have a defense and just kept coming forward.

Clottey will be the best welter soon enough when he rematches margarito and beats him. Cotto is a solid fighter and i enjoy watching his fights every time but i truly feel clottey will get to him in the later rounds and take over.
The back and forth punch exchanging is boxing. Should I post the fouls from the Association of Boxing commissions that are considered unprofessional? Care to see what these dancing clowns do that is considered, unprofessional?

Fouls



A foul is an action by a boxer, identified by the referee, that does not meet the standard of a fair blow or the conduct of a responsible professional fighter. Fouls may include, but are not limited to, the following types of contact or acts:
1. Hitting an opponent below the navel or behind the ear;
2. Hitting an opponent who is knocked down;
3. Holding an opponent with one hand and hitting with the other;
4. Holding or deliberately maintaining a clinch;------YUP, MAYWEATHER
5. Wrestling, kicking or roughing;
6. Pushing an opponent about the ring or into the ropes;-------JEFF LACY A FEW NIGHTS BACK ON ESPN
7. Butting with the head, shoulder, knee, elbow;-----ELBOW BUTTING? MAYWEATHER
8. Hitting with the open glove, the butt or inside of the hand, or back of the hand,
the elbow or the wrist;----------CAN ANYONE SAY PWILL VS MARGARITO?
9. Purposely falling down onto the canvas of the ring without being hit or for the
purpose of avoiding a blow;
10. Striking deliberately at that part of the body over the kidneys;
11. Using the pivot blow (pivoting while throwing a punch) or the rabbit punch
(punches thrown to the back of the head and neck areas);------PIVOT BLOW? MAYWEATHER
12. Jabbing the eyes with the thumb of the glove;
13. Use of abusive language;
14. Unsportsmanlike conduct causing injury to an opponent that does not meet the
standard of a fair blow;
15. Hitting on the break;
16. Intentionally spitting out the mouthpiece;-------CORRALES?
17. Hitting on or out of the ropes;
18. Holding rope and hitting;
19. Biting/spitting;
20. Not following referee's instructions;
21. Stepping on opponent;
22. Crouching below opponent's belt;---------TWO OBVIOUS ABUSERS-SWEET PEA AND MAYWEATHER, THAT'S RIGHT, KEEP CROUCHING
23. Leaving neutral corner; and
24. Corner second shouting.

These are unprofessional acts by boxers in the ring. Some are common sense, some are just plain not enforced. Crouching below your opponents navel is extremely unprofessional. Yet, they get away with it time and again.

Slipping, moving, all that is boxing. Ducking(below the navel), turning your head, that is not.
The back and forth of boxing is boxing.

[King-Of-Kings]

The back and forth punch exchanging is boxing. Should I post the fouls
2. Hitting an opponent who is knocked down;



You talk about fouls and that mayweather is the best at them , well didnt marg hit cotto when he was on the canvas ( 1st knockdown ) ? That is not only a foul but a DQ , something that hurt RJJ a few years back. Why in gods name did you even bring up fouls anyways ?

Your boxing is trading punches, while mine is stick and moving . Nothing wrong with our meaning to boxing but just realize that pbf is world class and marg is getting there.

[BANKY]

You talk about fouls and that mayweather is the best at them , well didnt marg hit cotto when he was on the canvas ( 1st knockdown ) ? That is not only a foul but a DQ , something that hurt RJJ a few years back. Why in gods name did you even bring up fouls anyways ?

Your boxing is trading punches, while mine is stick and moving . Nothing wrong with our meaning to boxing but just realize that pbf is world class and marg is getting there.
Difference, Margarito doesn't do that every fight(attributed to accident, more likely unintentional). Mayweather does duck and use his elbows, EVERY FIGHT! Purposely, i might add.

pbf world class? sure, i can agree. Marg, he most certainly is too. He beat the man that pbf wouldn't even fight. You bring up may and that stick and move point. Well, its mostly move and not sticking for him, isn't it?

[King-Of-Kings]

Difference, Margarito doesn't do that every fight(attributed to accident, more likely unintentional). Mayweather does duck and use his elbows, EVERY FIGHT! Purposely, i might add.

pbf world class? sure, i can agree. Marg, he most certainly is too. He beat the man that pbf wouldn't even fight. You bring up may and that stick and move point. Well, its mostly move and not sticking for him, isn't it?

wait a minute banky, your saying may doesnt stick and move ? Lets see here against hatton he must of or hatton wouldnt been sent to the ring post.

Vs. DLH ... What did you want may to do when oscar was just smothering pbf with ugly hooks that were not landing ? Keep a close look at pbf's face, he was focusing on DLH when he was throwing them hooks cause it was all about timing and catching dlh at the right time and he did with many punches but not in combinations , just sticking here and there but landing flush, unfortunately pbf power in 1 punch isnt strong but it does have somewhat effect .

Mayweather not fighting cotto has a lot to it and i truly thinkg mayweather is just in it now for the money and oscar was a huge payday . He wanted to fight OSCAR when he was in the lighterweights years back so just maybe pbf lost the love for the sport but still knew he can beat oscar and collecting lots of $$ .

He knows hes a true 135 pounder and not a 147 or 154 fighter and can easily hurt his legacy if he fights cotto or margarito which are both in prime and both TRUE WELTERS.

But you have to ask yourself this ....Why doesnt cotto or marg try different weights against the champs ? Belts have to mean something BANKY , even though maybe the fighter that is holding the belt doesnt have great skills but he isnt champ for nothing.

Cotto would struggle at 140 or even 154 so he will stay at 147 . Marg in the other hand i think would do a lot better in different weight classes but its actually doing it that matters, something that mayweather has done.

[korey1980]

I agree ! Some peeps love the back and forth punch exchanging deal which puts them in a category of great fights or both fighters fought their best or their all, but to me its nothing but horrible defense from both sides and far away from boxing their best which i thought cotto showed bad defense after the early rounds. Funny thing is that margarito defense was worse but marg has it in him that he wont get hurt so why have a defense and just kept coming forward.

Heated fights like Cotto vs Margo are what the sport needs. This was our generations Haglar/Hearns. Everyone will remember the fight, and talk about it 20 years from now. People will NOT remember a notable fight Floyd ***weather was in. Puerto Rico vs Mexico calls for fights like this one. Lets just praise these two fighters for the show they put on. Joshua Clottey might be the next top welterweight, but will have to beat Margo, Cotto, and Pwill to be considered the top 147 pounder. Margarito will have an easier time with Clottey if they fight again, Cotto will batter Clottey, and Williams will overwhelm him(imo).

[Charlie Murphy]

Clottey reminds me of Margarito, but his defense is probably a bit better.

[korey1980]

Clottey reminds me of Margarito, but his defense is probably a bit better.

I dont doubt Clottey's skill, but the level of competition he has BEATEN isnt anything to brag about. He needs to prove himself against a couple of the guys I mentioned before I'll admit hes the top/best welterweight.

[BANKY]

Belts have to mean something BANKY , even though maybe the fighter that is holding the belt doesnt have great skills but he isnt champ for nothing.

Tell that to andre berto.

Nobody ever said anything about clottey not really having an injured hand. Anybody ever find anything to actually prove he hurt it?

[AntDawg]

I dont doubt Clottey's skill, but the level of competition he has BEATEN isnt anything to brag about. He needs to prove himself against a couple of the guys I mentioned before I'll admit hes the top/best welterweight. If you say that then nor is Cotto's. Which I keep saying. Clottey and Cotto have beaten Judah...Cotto beat an old Mosley while Clottey has beaten Diego Corrales..Both loss to Margarito Cotto got tkoed and Clottey by decision. When you think about it now...theres not to many good welterweights out there.

[korey1980]

If you say that then nor is Cotto's. Which I keep saying. Clottey and Cotto have beaten Judah...Cotto beat an old Mosley while Clottey has beaten Diego Corrales..Both loss to Margarito Cotto got tkoed and Clottey by decision. When you think about it now...theres not to many good welterweights out there.

Clottey beat Corrales in Corrales' 1 and only fight at welterweight. What did that prove? I think beating an older Mosley at welterweight means more than beating a blown up junior lightweight doesnt it? Mosley had proven himself at 147 and 154.

[AntDawg]

Clottey beat Corrales in Corrales' 1 and only fight at welterweight. What did that prove? I think beating an older Mosley at welterweight means more than beating a blown up junior lightweight doesnt it? Mosley had proven himself at 147 and 154. Mosley didn't even look good though....Younger Mosley would have koed Cotto imo.

[korey1980]

Mosley didn't even look good though....Younger Mosley would have koed Cotto imo.

True, but he's still a stiffer test than Corrales at welter.