How long will Mayweather stay retired?

[korey1980]

I cannot see Mayweather staying retired much longer, or not at least coming back for 1 or 2 more fights. He has not been praised in any articles I've read for what he accomplished in the ring. He has only been criticized for leaving too soon. He knows that coming back to fight Margarito would completely silence all of his critics(imo). I know it would at least silence us hardcore fans, that believe he left with unfinished business at welterweight and he deserves to be criticized for it. I think he knows a comeback for a fight against Margarito is neccessary, and needs to take place. I just read an article on Maxboxing saying he had been seen hitting the gym at 3 A.M. in Las Vegas. Hopefully, this means Mayweather has come to his senses and realized that he is set for life moneywise and needs to take a fight that is solely for the fans.

[Cool2Fool]

forever.



shadio: true boxing fans.

[reppa]

I was thinking the same thing after I read that article. I doubt he is staying retired. If he does come back, I hope it's not for money. I hope he is coming back to fight. I don't want to see him come back and pick certain fights. Guess time will tell, but boxing is doing just fine without him.

[korey1980]

I was thinking the same thing after I read that article. I doubt he is staying retired. If he does come back, I hope it's not for money. I hope he is coming back to fight. I don't want to see him come back and pick certain fights. Guess time will tell, but boxing is doing just fine without him.

Boxing is doing fine without him. But, a Mayweather vs Margarito fight would be the most interesting fight that could be made right now. It would show just how good Mayweather is, and without a doubt test him more than he's ever been tested.

[King-Of-Kings]

He has only been criticized for leaving too soon. He knows that coming back to fight Margarito would completely silence all of his critics(imo). .

Trust me , even if he comes back and beats margo that wont be enough to silence the critics because they will find something to discredit mayweather.

I say he comes back in late 2009 vs the next great opponent .

[reppa]

Boxing is doing fine without him. But, a Mayweather vs Margarito fight would be the most interesting fight that could be made right now. It would show just how good Mayweather is, and without a doubt test him more than he's ever been tested.

I agree korey. I think that would be a great fight overall, but I'm not sure how good the fight itself would be. I mean we can't expect Mayweather to stand toe to toe against Margarito in that fight. And a lot of people want to see that. They don't want to see Floyd back-tracking all night with a shot here and a shot there. Most people see it being a boring 12 round UD for Mayweather. I think king-of-kings is right. A win over Marg will not be enough to silence his critics.

Lets be honest.......there were quite a few more fights Floyd could have made at previous weight classes that would have helped out his legacy a bit. I'm not going to get into all that. It's been talked about enough. I just have to wonder if there is anything that Floyd can do to silence those critics now that those certain figths at the lower weight class are gone. Well more than unlikely at this point in his career. Floyd fan or not, you have to wonder if he missed the boat here. IMO he's better off staying retired. And that's based on how most feel about him.

Most people want to see him lose.
Most people are glad he is retired.
Most people hope he never comes back.
Most people think boxing is doing better without him.
Most people feel that he hasn't done enough to solidify his legacy. (critics included)

I'm not going to add my 2 cents on him or where he stands in boxing because topics like this always seem to get personal for some reason. I'm just basing this on what I have read and the many polls I have seen on different boxing websites.

[AntDawg]

Most people hate on him because of the way he talked and still would beat everyone. I doubt he comes back...his hands aren't what they used to be and you can tell by the way he fights now. Before he messed up his hands he throw punches a lot more than he does now. Even if he came back and beat Margarito people would just say he still hasn't beat Cotto...Clottey...Williams...Berto..Cintron....the list just goes on forever since people just want to see him lose.

[korey1980]

Most people hate on him because of the way he talked and still would beat everyone. I doubt he comes back...his hands aren't what they used to be and you can tell by the way he fights now. Before he messed up his hands he throw punches a lot more than he does now. Even if he came back and beat Margarito people would just say he still hasn't beat Cotto...Clottey...Williams...Berto..Cintron....the list just goes on forever since people just want to see him lose.

Margarito has been a top Welter for a longer period of time than all those other guys combined, and the world knows he is the most deserving of all them. A fight against Margarito would please alot more critics and fans than you think(imo). He will always have his critics, but name a boxer that doesnt have any.

[BANKY]

Mayweather will come back. It's my personal opinion, but i believe he will. If not now, when his money runs out in 5 or 6 years and he's 36 or 37.

Yes, he may well indeed win a UD against Margarito. But he would never KO him.
See, his fans want to say that Mayweather gets hated on for his attitude, his personality, his form of talking, his ego, anything to discredit him. That's what his fans will always say. that he was the truth and the rest were just haters. and yes, quite a few fans will hate him for these things and will always hate him, no matter what. But the real reason?

the truth; the reason he gets hated on is defensive posturism. Some boxing fans like it, but the vast majority don't. Noone expects Mayweather to stand and trade all night, but he does have to take some risk and a fight with margarito will provide none for him, cause he will stay on his bicycle all night. Cause he doesn't want to get hurt.

That's the truth guys.

[korey1980]

Even if he came back and beat Margarito people would just say he still hasn't beat Cotto...Clottey...Williams...Berto..Cintron....the list just goes on forever since people just want to see him lose.

Ok, lets say Margarito beats Pwill if/when they fight again. Who could honestly say that if Mayweather beat(i dont think he can) Margarito, that he would need to face those other men? I think if Floyd comes back people will not expect him to fight more than once. If he came back people would realize he only came back for a fight with the top welterweight, Margarito.

[reppa]

Ok, lets say Margarito beats Pwill if/when they fight again. Who could honestly say that if Mayweather beat(i dont think he can) Margarito, that he would need to face those other men? I think if Floyd comes back people will not expect him to fight more than once. If he came back people would realize he only came back for a fight with the top welterweight, Margarito.

I never expected him to go to WW in the first place. I guess money makes you do crazy things. IMO I just don't think it matters. Floyd is running the risk of getting beat and beat bad the longer he stays away fromt he sport. He's not always going to have that speed. Eventually things are going to start evening out with the guy standing on the other side of the ring. Like I mentioned in a previous post, I think Floyd might just have missed the boat. Can he really go back down in weight to fight? I don't think so. They will all say he is running from the guys at WW. He really put himself in a lose/lose situation.

Sorry guys, but I have no desire to see Floyd fight Margartio or any of the other WW's out there. And this is based on what Banky said with Mayweather getting on his bicycle. To me personally.......he's just boring to watch.

[korey1980]

I never expected him to go to WW in the first place. I guess money makes you do crazy things. IMO I just don't think it matters. Floyd is running the risk of getting beat and beat bad the longer he stays away fromt he sport. He's not always going to have that speed. Eventually things are going to start evening out with the guy standing on the other side of the ring. Like I mentioned in a previous post, I think Floyd might just have missed the boat. Can he really go back down in weight to fight? I don't think so. They will all say he is running from the guys at WW. He really put himself in a lose/lose situation.

Sorry guys, but I have no desire to see Floyd fight Margartio or any of the other WW's out there. And this is based on what Banky said with Mayweather getting on his bicycle. To me personally.......he's just boring to watch.

I doubt Mayweather can run from Margarito for a full 12 rounds without Margarito getting close enough to initiate some real exchanges. Hatton pushed Mayweather around for a few rounds, so did Oscar, stamina wise Margo is superior to those two men. Thats why I think this fight could be interesting, but probably not overly exciting. If this fight were to ever happen, I would watch it solely because I think it is an important fight for both men.

[reppa]

I doubt Mayweather can run from Margarito for a full 12 rounds without Margarito getting close enough to initiate some real exchanges. Hatton pushed Mayweather around for a few rounds, so did Oscar, stamina wise Margo is superior to those two men. Thats why I think this fight could be interesting, but probably not overly exciting. If this fight were to ever happen, I would watch it solely because I think it is an important fight for both men.

korey, you and I both know that I would be right there watching this fight no matter what I say. lol. You never know. Lets say this fight happens and you get 2 out of the 3 judges in there that favor a Marg style over Floyd and we could have something. We already know what Floyd is doing right now. I'm wondering what Marg's next move is. I will say this.........Marg needs to fight Williams and Clottey, but it really feels like Marg is at the top of the ww division. It just really feels like there is some clarification now and Marg really is at the top looking down.

[AntDawg]

Margarito has been a top Welter for a longer period of time than all those other guys combined, and the world knows he is the most deserving of all them. A fight against Margarito would please alot more critics and fans than you think(imo). He will always have his critics, but name a boxer that doesnt have any. What made him a top welterweight for so when he didn't fight none of the top guys till Pwill...and he lost.

[AntDawg]

I doubt Mayweather can run from Margarito for a full 12 rounds without Margarito getting close enough to initiate some real exchanges. Hatton pushed Mayweather around for a few rounds, so did Oscar, stamina wise Margo is superior to those two men. Thats why I think this fight could be interesting, but probably not overly exciting. If this fight were to ever happen, I would watch it solely because I think it is an important fight for both men. IF you watch the Hatton fight he was sticking and moving the majority of the time and De Le Hoya had a hard time hitting him and he was like 2 inches from him...Margarito isn't really a accurate punchers so that goes all in favor of Mayweather. Not to mention the Speed and quickness advantage that Mayweather has.

[korey1980]

What made him a top welterweight for so when he didn't fight none of the top guys till Pwill...and he lost.

Maybe the fact that he held a title for 5 years before he lost to Pwill. And why hadnt he faught any of the other top welters? Because they wanted no part of him, plain and simple

[korey1980]

IF you watch the Hatton fight he was sticking and moving the majority of the time and De Le Hoya had a hard time hitting him and he was like 2 inches from him...Margarito isn't really a accurate punchers so that goes all in favor of Mayweather. Not to mention the Speed and quickness advantage that Mayweather has.

Margarito has 2 advantages over Floyd, strength, and workrate. Margarito is a throwback type fighter in that he could probably fight 15 rounds easily, and be aggressive the wjole time. Stamina is a flaw in Dela Hoya, and has been known of for quite some time. Hatton did not have a strength advantage over Floyd, and also becomes less active as the fight goes on. Hatton was not the same fighter that he was when he beat Tszyu. Hatton also falls in way too much which allowed Floyd to get an easy clinch. Margarito doesnt do that. And is MUCH busier than Oscar and Hatton combined.

[AntDawg]

Margarito has 2 advantages over Floyd, strength, and workrate. Margarito is a throwback type fighter in that he could probably fight 15 rounds easily, and be aggressive the wjole time. Stamina is a flaw in Dela Hoya, and has been known of for quite some time. Hatton did not have a strength advantage over Floyd, and also becomes less active as the fight goes on. Hatton was not the same fighter that he was when he beat Tszyu. Hatton also falls in way too much which allowed Floyd to get an easy clinch. Margarito doesnt do that. And is MUCH busier than Oscar and Hatton combined. Doesn't matter He wouldn't be able to catch Flody plain and simple. Flody can go 12 rounds just sticking and moving with ease. Hes to fast and to quick. Margarito has a hard time hitting people with a good defense...The guy just doesn't throw accurate punches.

[niwde787]

WBO President , Francisco Varcarcel said.. a couple of weeks before the Cotto-Margarito bout that , Pretty Boy is actually training... (a close friend of Varcarcel works at the Mayweather Gym in Vegas...)

so lets see!

[korey1980]

Doesn't matter He wouldn't be able to catch Flody plain and simple. Flody can go 12 rounds just sticking and moving with ease. Hes to fast and to quick. Margarito has a hard time hitting people with a good defense...The guy just doesn't throw accurate punches.

Margarito isnt an accurate puncher? Did you see Cottos face? U dont beat someone up that badly without throwing accurate shots. Floyd must be really innacurate with his punches, cuz he has never transformed a face like that, EVER(lol)!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MaddSkillz09]

Mayweather will stay retired until he wastes all his money and ends up filing 4 bankrupcy

[korey1980]

WBO President , Francisco Varcarcel said.. a couple of weeks before the Cotto-Margarito bout that , Pretty Boy is actually training... (a close friend of Varcarcel works at the Mayweather Gym in Vegas...)

so lets see!

This fight neeeeeeeds to happen(imo)!

[AntDawg]

Margarito isnt an accurate puncher? Did you see Cottos face? U dont beat someone up that badly without throwing accurate shots. Floyd must be really innacurate with his punches, cuz he has never transformed a face like that, EVER(lol)!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just because ones face is all messed up doesn't mean you connected a lot...some guys just bruise and bleed easy.Plus Cotto's defense wasn't all that good. I hope you were joking about the Flody being a inaccurate puncher.

[korey1980]

Just because ones face is all messed up doesn't mean you connected a lot...some guys just bruise and bleed easy.Plus Cotto's defense wasn't all that good. I hope you were joking about the Flody being a inaccurate puncher.

Huh, you're crazy. Cotto's face looked like ground beef, that doesnt happen from inaccurate punching. And yes I was joking about Floyd being inaccurate, hints the lol. Margarito is a great fighter, and there will be no denying it, if Floyd ever grows the balls to fight him. Maybe Margo's people should send Floyd a bottle of liquor and the contract, maybe give Floyd some liquid courage. I think thats the only way Floyd agrees to this fight.

[AntDawg]

Huh, you're crazy. Cotto's face looked like ground beef, that doesnt happen from inaccurate punching. And yes I was joking about Floyd being inaccurate, hints the lol. Margarito is a great fighter, and there will be no denying it, if Floyd ever grows the balls to fight him. Maybe Margo's people should send Floyd a bottle of liquor and the contract, maybe give Floyd some liquid courage. I think thats the only way Floyd agrees to this fight.His face really wasn't THAT bad. like I said Cotto didn't really have a good defense...the best hits Margarito hit him with was uppercuts. You gotta have bad defense to get hit with uppercuts like that.

[korey1980]

His face really wasn't THAT bad. like I said Cotto didn't really have a good defense...the best hits Margarito hit him with was uppercuts. You gotta have bad defense to get hit with uppercuts like that.

It wasnt? It was swollen as ****. What fight did you watch? When Mayweather gets destroyed, you will be singing a different tune. Cotto's so called "lack of defense" had nothing to do with Cotto's destruction, Margo's agrression/pressure, and punch output did. Mayweather has NEVER faught someone that he has NO shot of hurting, that is aggressive like Margo. I cannot wait to see Mayweather fold under Margo's pressure.

[AntDawg]

It wasnt? It was swollen as ****. What fight did you watch? When Mayweather gets destroyed, you will be singing a different tune. Cotto's so called "lack of defense" had nothing to do with Cotto's destruction, Margo's agrression/pressure, and punch output did. Mayweather has NEVER faught someone that he has NO shot of hurting, that is aggressive like Margo. I cannot wait to see Mayweather fold under Margo's pressure. Like I said it wasn't THAT bad. If Clottey and Williams didn't fold from the pressure why would Mayweather? Clottey fought Margarito straight up...how was he able to last? Because of his defense...Cotto had lack of defense and stamina which resulted in him getting TKOED.

[Charlie Murphy]

AntDawg your clearly a Floyd *****moker, face the facts: if your precious Floyd comes back and fights Margarito, he WILL get beaten badly, he'll dominate for the first 5-7 rounds with his quick hands, but eventually Margarito's constant pressure and hard body shots will slow Floyd down, Floyd's face will look just as bad as Cotto's did when the ref tears Margarito off of Floyd to save him from any more punishment.

[korey1980]

AntDawg your clearly a Floyd *****moker, face the facts: if your precious Floyd comes back and fights Margarito, he WILL get beaten badly, he'll dominate for the first 5-7 rounds with his quick hands, but eventually Margarito's constant pressure and hard body shots will slow Floyd down, Floyd's face will look just as bad as Cotto's did when the ref tears Margarito off of Floyd to save him from any more punishment.

Agreed. Look at what Margo did to Cotto, and he respects Cotto. He hates Floyd. I might actually feel bad for Floyd if they fight. Floyd shouldve never ventured higher than 140(imo).

[AntDawg]

You guys are crazy. First off Cotto has a lack of stamina...2nd Cotto doesn't have good defense. Flody has fought guys like Margarito....and beat them. I already told you guys that Margarito has a hard time hitting someone with good defense..example: the Clottey fight. Mix that in the way Flody can slip punches and Margarito won't really be able to hit Flody. Flody also has way better footwork than Cotto. Margarito is just to slow for Flody. Flody doesn't slow down. If De La Hoya (who is faster than Magarito) couldn't really hit floyd when he would have him on the ropes what makes you think Margarito can?

[BANKY]

LMAO, antdawg. If you think floyd has a chance against margo, i got some oceanfront property in Kansas i want you to look at.

LMAO. Wow. Margarito through the glasses of a floyd fanatic.

[korey1980]

LMAO, antdawg. If you think floyd has a chance against margo, i got some oceanfront property in Kansas i want you to look at.

LMAO. Wow. Margarito through the glasses of a floyd fanatic.

Tell me about it!! Cotto didnt get beat up badly by Margarito? Thats plain ridiculous Antdawg.

[AntDawg]

LMAO, antdawg. If you think floyd has a chance against margo, i got some oceanfront property in Kansas i want you to look at.

LMAO. Wow. Margarito through the glasses of a floyd fanatic. I actually don't like Flody...been wanting him to lose for the longest...don't like his attitude..but dude would beat Margarito.

[AntDawg]

Tell me about it!! Cotto didnt get beat up badly by Margarito? Thats plain ridiculous Antdawg. When did I say he didn't get beat up? I said his face wasn't THAT bad...when you watch other fights guys who had cuts on both side of there eyes and mouth and jaw is all swollen THATS BAD...Cotto's was bad BUT NOT THAT bad.

[BANKY]

I actually don't like Flody...been wanting him to lose for the longest...don't like his attitude..but dude would beat Margarito.
That's like the guy that has nothing but racist stuff to say and then says, "but i have lots of black friends, how can i be racist?"
You don't want him to lose, you love his attitude and deep in your heart truly do want to suck May's C*ck.

[BANKY]

When did I say he didn't get beat up? I said his face wasn't THAT bad...when you watch other fights guys who had cuts on both side of there eyes and mouth and jaw is all swollen THATS BAD...Cotto's was bad BUT NOT THAT bad.
Because cotto takes a knee in almost all of his fights, korey. Because he wasn't punished that much! lmao. Ant, ant, ant, you will not win. Cotto's face was busted up, he was bleeding from everywhere and best believe that if floyd stepped up, he'd be looking like that too.

[AntDawg]

That's like the guy that has nothing but racist stuff to say and then says, "but i have lots of black friends, how can i be racist?"
You don't want him to lose, you love his attitude and deep in your heart truly do want to suck May's C*ck. :rolleyes: I was going for De Le Hoya when they fought lost 20 bucks on that fight...I was going for Hatton...even though I know he had no chance...I don't like Floyd but he has talent. As a boxing fan I have to look at the facts...and he would beat margarito plain and simple..

[Charlie Murphy]

AntDawg, you have to look at this in a realistic way, Margarito WOULD beat Mayweather and here's why: Floyd hates pressure, he doesn't perform well under pressure, and thats why Margarito would win "but wait! he beat Castillo, Hatton and De La Hoya!" (who all pressured him to different degrees) I hear you say, well, Castillo clearly won the first fight, so that proves thats he's far from unbeatable. I know he's obviously got better since then, but the blueprint to beat him hasn't changed, De La Hoya came very close to beating him, hell a lot of people thought he won the fight, Hatton was doing well for the first half of the fight and most people had the fight even after 6 rounds were up, but Hatton is basically crap at 147, which was obvious when he was seriously hurt by the featherfisted Luis Collazo.

That's Hatton covered, now for De La Hoya. He got tired, if he didn't he could've been well on his way to a convincing victory.

Back to Castillo, he gave Floyd serious problems in both fights, the reason for this is because he could take all of Floyd's shots with no problems, he didn't get tired, and he threw a lot of punches.

Now when you consider all of that, its easy to come to a conclusion on what would happen if Floyd grew the balls to fight Margarito, and this is because Margarito has all of the required attributes to win.

1. he can throw 100+ HARD punches a round.
2. he doesn't get tired, and he gets more aggressive as each round passes.
3. his chin is made of iron, Floyd could hit Margarito with 20 unanswered power punches and Marg would just smile.
4. he'll be the bigger, stronger man in the ring.

When you REALLY think about all of these things, its hard to deny that he'd do just as well as Castillo did in his first fight with Mayweather, if not better.

[AntDawg]

AntDawg, you have to look at this in a realistic way, Margarito WOULD beat Mayweather and here's why: Floyd hates pressure, he doesn't perform well under pressure, and thats why Margarito would win "but wait! he beat Castillo, Hatton and De La Hoya!" (who all pressured him to different degrees) I hear you say, well, Castillo clearly won the first fight, so that proves thats he's far from unbeatable. I know he's obviously got better since then, but the blueprint to beat him hasn't changed, De La Hoya came very close to beating him, hell a lot of people thought he won the fight, Hatton was doing well for the first half of the fight and most people had the fight even after 6 rounds were up, but Hatton is basically crap at 147, which was obvious when he was seriously hurt by the featherfisted Luis Collazo.

That's Hatton covered, now for De La Hoya. He got tired, if he didn't he could've been well on his way to a convincing victory.

Back to Castillo, he gave Floyd serious problems in both fights, the reason for this is because he could take all of Floyd's shots with no problems, he didn't get tired, and he threw a lot of punches.

Now when you consider all of that, its easy to come to a conclusion on what would happen if Floyd grew the balls to fight Margarito, and this is because Margarito has all of the required attributes to win.

1. he can throw 100+ HARD punches a round.
2. he doesn't get tired, and he gets more aggressive as each round passes.
3. his chin is made of iron, Floyd could hit Margarito with 20 unanswered power punches and Marg would just smile.
4. he'll be the bigger, stronger man in the ring.

When you REALLY think about all of these things, its hard to deny that he'd do just as well as Castillo did in his first fight with Mayweather, if not better. I hear what you saying but those guys are faster and more accurate with their punches the Margarito. Just looking at his fight with Clottey showed me how defensive guys give him problems.(not to mention they fought straight up and that gave Margarito problems)...some may say he lost that fight since he wasn't really hitting him but he was the busier guy. Margarito is a tough guy but if a guy can box well and has good stamina they Margarito doesn't have a chance. What I've been trying to say is Flody will not try with him he will hit him here and there then move away (not just stop on the ropes like Cotto was doing) Mix that with his defense I don't think Margarito would be able to hit him much. Would be nice to see them fight and see what would really happen though.

[Charlie Murphy]

AntDawg, we obviously have our own opinions bro, but atleast we agree on one thing - would be great to see them fight.

[AntDawg]

Might be something similar to this fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hECeVAIXYBs

[AntDawg]

AntDawg, we obviously have our own opinions bro, but atleast we agree on one thing - would be great to see them fight.
Indeed. :thumbsup:

[Charlie Murphy]

lol you didn't just compare Margarito to Baldomir, please tell me you didn't! you crazy! :P

[AntDawg]

lol you didn't just compare Margarito to Baldomir, please tell me you didn't! you crazy! :P
In terms of style and both having a chin...I know Margarito is better I'm just saying the way Mayweather was moving in the fight. I still want to see him fight Clottey again though. I think Clottey can beat him in a rematch.

[Charlie Murphy]

Baldomir tried to box Floyd, Margarito wouldn't, he'd be on him like ******. I doubt Clottey would beat Margarito, think Marg will win a very close, but well deserved decision, looking forward to the fight.

[AntDawg]

I hope they fight again. Since he is the top contender anyway. He gave Cintron another chance might as well give Clottey a second chance. Heres part of their fight.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3N_oC36CIY

looking back at this fight...I think Clottey got screwed....They basically gave Margarito the win since he was much busier even though he wasn't really landing...If they fight again Clottey might knock him out =O looking at the first fight. I can see why Margarito has been ducking him.

[Charlie Murphy]

Well technically Cintron gave Margarito a chance the second time around, as he was the IBF champ.

I can't comment on whether or not Clottey got robbed against Margarito, as I haven't seen the full fight and I can't find it anywhere sadly. There's no way Margarito was ducking him though, he'll fight anyone.

[AntDawg]

Well technically Cintron gave Margarito a chance the second time around, as he was the IBF champ.

I can't comment on whether or not Clottey got robbed against Margarito, as I haven't seen the full fight and I can't find it anywhere sadly. There's no way Margarito was ducking him though, he'll fight anyone. I forgot he was champ :o I don't know though man he seems to be ducking him...He was gonna fight Judah if he had won but since Clottey won...hes like brushing him to the side...

[Charlie Murphy]

Hmm, well I can see your point man, but maybe he just fancied an easy defence/unification depending on who won out of Judah and Clottey, and was hoping it'd be Judah that won. Well... atleast he's gonna fight Clottey in November (according to Boxrec) better late than never, and its bigger now as Clottey will be known more by casual fans after his win over Judah, which equals more money, and Margarito will have something to gain - the IBF title, I can see it being a great, close fight and I can't wait, roll on November!

[reppa]

looking back at this fight...I think Clottey got screwed....They basically gave Margarito the win since he was much busier even though he wasn't really landing...If they fight again Clottey might knock him out =O looking at the first fight. I can see why Margarito has been ducking him.

This is kinda what I was saying about a Margarito/Mayweather match. If you get the right judges in there, they could easily score it for Margarito. He would definitely be the aggressor in the fight. Remember in the Marg/Cotto fight where Marg was jogging towards Cotto to get at him? I'm sorry, but a judge has got to look at who is trying to make the fight. And that had to be a little discouraging to Cotto seeing this guy coming at you. Not walking you down, but jogging towards you.

Floyd can move his head all he wants but unless he is running, he's going to take shots to the body, elbows, shoulders, etc. And people forget that Marg is not going to take turns punching with you. He's going to throw punches when you're moving, blocking, clinching and most importantly, throwing punches at him.

This is where I have to give MMA some credit. I am not a huge fan at the moment, but you don't see this type of running crap in MMA. At least I haven't myself. I'm sorry guys, but that's not boxing to me.

[korey1980]

I hope they fight again. Since he is the top contender anyway. He gave Cintron another chance might as well give Clottey a second chance. Heres part of their fight.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3N_oC36CIY

looking back at this fight...I think Clottey got screwed....They basically gave Margarito the win since he was much busier even though he wasn't really landing...If they fight again Clottey might knock him out =O looking at the first fight. I can see why Margarito has been ducking him.

I want Margo to fight pwill again first, then go ahead and give Clottey a shot. A Margo vs Pwill fight just makes alot more sense right now.

[korey1980]

Well technically Cintron gave Margarito a chance the second time around, as he was the IBF champ.

I can't comment on whether or not Clottey got robbed against Margarito, as I haven't seen the full fight and I can't find it anywhere sadly. There's no way Margarito was ducking him though, he'll fight anyone.

I saw the whole fight. Clottey won the first 4 rounds, then broke his hand, and basically quit throwing anything substantial for the rest of the fight. He was NOT robbed. How many fighters break their hands during fights and still push themselves and go for the W? Clottey showed 0 determination after breaking his hand(imo), besides finishing the fight with good defense. Clottey blew the fight due to being inactive after the hand injury. I'm sorry, but Clottey basically going into a shell after 4 rounds, yet doing well defensively the rest of the fight, does not win him the fight.

[BANKY]

I'll clear up clottey marg fight for you guys. Ant, you shouldn't comment on that fight unless you watch the whole thing bro.


Clottey and marg were trading good shots in the first 3 and a half rounds. Halfway through the 4th, Marg starts fighting back, instead of being defensive. Marg dominates the 5th round. At the end of 5, clottey starts complaining about his hand and showing it to press row.

Margarito commences to pummel clottey for the next 7 rounds. Marg won the fight 8-4, no questions asked.

People wanna bring up that clottey hurt himself in that fight, did he? Find one report post fight that says he hurt his hand. not one xray, mri or anything. it was a bruise, that's it.
Funny thing is, Margarito had a sprained wrist and sprained ankle, record of which he did make public after the fight, but the injuries occured before the fight.

So, Clottey lost fair and square, he got pummeled. It's his own fault, bruised, not broken hand or not.

[Charlie Murphy]

Does anyone know where I can find the whole fight? I wanna see it so badly!

[AntDawg]

Does anyone know where I can find the whole fight? I wanna see it so badly! I'll try to upload it for ya.

Clottey easily won the first 4. I gave him rounds 7 and 8 (both were close rounds to score) and I gave him the last round for hitting him with the more clean effect punching. All the rounds I didn't mention he just wasn't throwing at all really and Margarito just kept throwing. This is why I want them to fight again. If Clottey didn't injure his hand the would have kept hitting him with the left uppercut and left hooks..he stop using it after round 4 for pretty much the whole fight and the left hand is his best hand.

[Charlie Murphy]

Thanks AntDawg :)

[AntDawg]

Thanks AntDawg :)
uploading it to megaupload...but it looks like its gonna take 4 hours :eek: and if someone calls I might have to start over again so don't give your hopes up that I will have it up today might have it ready some time in the morning if I get disconnected.

[Charlie Murphy]

No problem man, its very nice of you to even attempt to upload it, thanks :D

[AntDawg]

I'll clear up clottey marg fight for you guys. Ant, you shouldn't comment on that fight unless you watch the whole thing bro.


Clottey and marg were trading good shots in the first 3 and a half rounds. Halfway through the 4th, Marg starts fighting back, instead of being defensive. Marg dominates the 5th round. At the end of 5, clottey starts complaining about his hand and showing it to press row.

Margarito commences to pummel clottey for the next 7 rounds. Marg won the fight 8-4, no questions asked.

People wanna bring up that clottey hurt himself in that fight, did he? Find one report post fight that says he hurt his hand. not one xray, mri or anything. it was a bruise, that's it.
Funny thing is, Margarito had a sprained wrist and sprained ankle, record of which he did make public after the fight, but the injuries occured before the fight.

So, Clottey lost fair and square, he got pummeled. It's his own fault, bruised, not broken hand or not.
It wasn't bruised it was a sprain. And you can clearly see it effected the whole fight.

[AntDawg]

No problem man, its very nice of you to even attempt to upload it, thanks :D No problem :thumbsup:

[BANKY]

It wasn't bruised it was a sprain. And you can clearly see it effected the whole fight.
Any MRI reports, doctor's notes, anything, and i mean anything to prove this?

I personally spoke to some people on Margarito's team and they said that Clottey didn't even go to the doctor after the fight.

So, a sprain? Please, prove this.

[reppa]

This is a fight I missed as well. I would definitley like to see it. So is Margarito/Clottey happening for sure now?

[Charlie Murphy]

Yup, well, accoring to Boxrec.

[AntDawg]

Any MRI reports, doctor's notes, anything, and i mean anything to prove this?

I personally spoke to some people on Margarito's team and they said that Clottey didn't even go to the doctor after the fight.

So, a sprain? Please, prove this.

There was a picture of him in the hospital after the fight on a boxing forum but I don't know if I'd be able to find it
.

[reppa]

Yup, well, accoring to Boxrec.

Looks like it might be for sure according to this article.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=15482

[BANKY]

There was a picture of him in the hospital after the fight on a boxing forum but I don't know if I'd be able to find it
.
Uh, no.

Like I said, if there was proof, it would have come out by now and people would be saying, see, he did hurt his hand.

Fact is, I know that there was never any evidence of him going to the hospital, because he never went. Please, if you can't prove that he had anything more than a bruised hand, don't try to diminish AM's victory. AM won fair and square and he was actually legitimately injured.

Clottey *****ed out. Plain and simple. He saw what he was in with, realized that it would only get worse and went into a shell. This will happen again when they face, but somehow, his detractors will still say he got hosed in the first fight.

[AntDawg]

Uh, no.

Like I said, if there was proof, it would have come out by now and people would be saying, see, he did hurt his hand.

Fact is, I know that there was never any evidence of him going to the hospital, because he never went. Please, if you can't prove that he had anything more than a bruised hand, don't try to diminish AM's victory. AM won fair and square and he was actually legitimately injured.

Clottey *****ed out. Plain and simple. He saw what he was in with, realized that it would only get worse and went into a shell. This will happen again when they face, but somehow, his detractors will still say he got hosed in the first fight. If thats what you wanna think. If this rematch happens say goodbye to Margarito being Champion.

[reppa]

If thats what you wanna think. If this rematch happens say goodbye to Margarito being Champion.

AntDawg,
do you really see Clottey beating Marg in the rematch? I'm not saying you're wrong. Marg has just looked very impressive to me for awhile now. And to be honest, I haven't seen much of Clottey. Even though I haven't seen the first fight, I have to give the edge to Marg, but that's based on me being a fan of his.

[AntDawg]

Here is the entire first fight. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GS37X92Y

[reppa]

Here is the entire first fight. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GS37X92Y

:thumbsup: Dude.....you are awesome. Thank you very much.

[AntDawg]

:thumbsup: Dude.....you are awesome. Thank you very much.

No problem :)

[Charlie Murphy]

AntDawg, I love you, seriously I love you!! thank you so much man!!! :D

[AntDawg]

AntDawg, I love you, seriously I love you!! thank you so much man!!! :D Lol No problem man.

[reppa]

Pretty good fight besides some headbutts and low blows. I scored it 8-4 Margarito. I would even say 7-5 Margarito. The 8th round was pretty close. I don't see a rematch going any differently because of the following....

1. Margarito was pretty inactive leading up to this fight. That's not the case now.
2. He has it in his head that he needs to start faster.
3. He has a lot more confidence with his win over Cotto.
4. He's gotten better.

I could see how some could have some crazy scores. I don't agree with them, but I understand them.

[King-Of-Kings]

why did i create a thread ...the best welter is CLOTTEY ? simple, he has the tools and skills to beat anybody and will show the world that he can beat margo in their rematch soon.

[AntDawg]

Pretty good fight besides some headbutts and low blows. I scored it 8-4 Margarito. I would even say 7-5 Margarito. The 8th round was pretty close. I don't see a rematch going any differently because of the following....

1. Margarito was pretty inactive leading up to this fight. That's not the case now.
2. He has it in his head that he needs to start faster.
3. He has a lot more confidence with his win over Cotto.
4. He's gotten better.

I could see how some could have some crazy scores. I don't agree with them, but I understand them. You gave Margarito the 12th? anyways this is why I think Clottey would win the rematch.
1. He wants to prove to everyone that it was his hand that caused him to lose
2.His speed advantage along with power shots might do damage to Margarito since he doesn't have any defense besides his chin.
3. If he doesn't hurt his hand again
4. His counter punching

This is just my opinion. Should be a good fight:D

[Charlie Murphy]

Excellent fight, very close I thought, scored it 115-113 for Margarito.
Clottey was brilliant in rounds 1,2,3 and 4, and I thought he looked very good in round 8 aswell, the rest of the rounds clearly were clearly Margarito's though, he won fair and square, I can see him winning the next fight by a bigger margin, I reckon 116-112, because I think he'll be very active from the 1 round. I won't mind if Clottey wins though as I like both guys.

AntDawg, thanks again man. How did you score it?

[reppa]

You gave Margarito the 12th? anyways this is why I think Clottey would win the rematch.
1. He wants to prove to everyone that it was his hand that caused him to lose
2.His speed advantage along with power shots might do damage to Margarito since he doesn't have any defense besides his chin.
3. If he doesn't hurt his hand again
4. His counter punching

This is just my opinion. Should be a good fight:D

I gave Marg the 12th because he was pushing the fight just like he was early on. Clottey landed some good shots, but overall not enough to grab the round imo. Clottey is a pretty good counter-puncher. But I wonder if that is something he can continue to do in the later rounds. I understand why he didn't do much the first time out, but I think he will be worried what is coming back after he counter-punches. I think the bodyshots were really bothering Clottey. Especailly since he was trying to retaliate with the same shot right after Marg hit him with one. That means to me he wanted to get even right then and there and momentarily strayed from any game plan he had at that point in the round. Just a thought.

I agree with 2, 3 and 4, but I'm not sure Clottey has the power to hurt Marg. He did catch him with some pretty good shots. So who hits harder.........Clottey or Cotto?

[Charlie Murphy]

Good question, I'd say Clottey because he's naturally bigger than Cotto I think, Clottey definitely punches very hard, although his record doesn't suggest it.

[korey1980]

I wouldnt give either fighter an edge in power. Cotto is definitely a better finisher. Margo will impress if this fight happens. He will prove that Clottey is second tier when it comes to fighting him. What the hell is Paul Williams gonna do now? Anyone heard anything on his plans since he challenged Pavlik?

[Charlie Murphy]

I've heard that Paul Williams may fight Winky, doesn't seem likely though, but I think it'd be a good, hard fight.

[AntDawg]

I've heard that Paul Williams may fight Winky, doesn't seem likely though, but I think it'd be a good, hard fight. Yea they talked about this a month ago on another board when he said he would be going up in weight.

[AntDawg]

I gave Marg the 12th because he was pushing the fight just like he was early on. Clottey landed some good shots, but overall not enough to grab the round imo. Clottey is a pretty good counter-puncher. But I wonder if that is something he can continue to do in the later rounds. I understand why he didn't do much the first time out, but I think he will be worried what is coming back after he counter-punches. I think the bodyshots were really bothering Clottey. Especailly since he was trying to retaliate with the same shot right after Marg hit him with one. That means to me he wanted to get even right then and there and momentarily strayed from any game plan he had at that point in the round. Just a thought.

I agree with 2, 3 and 4, but I'm not sure Clottey has the power to hurt Marg. He did catch him with some pretty good shots. So who hits harder.........Clottey or Cotto?
Clottey won the 12th to me since he hit him with the more clean effective punching and all 3 judges gave Clottey the 12th. Clottey is stronger than Cotto because he is bigger than Cotto. As you see in the first fight he stunned Margarito with his left punches.(As I said before His left is his best weapon) Clottey actually likes going to the body. Margarito has been knocked down by a body shot before.

[Charlie Murphy]

AntDawg, how did you score the fight overall?

[AntDawg]

watching it a few times I have it 114-114 draw

[reppa]

watching it a few times I have it 114-114 draw

This is going to sound crazy judging how I scored it, but I can understand a score of 114-114. I had it 116-112 and could have went another round towards Clottey 115-113 (8th). And if I give Clottey the 12, you have the 114-114. Either way the rematch should answer a lot of questions.

[Charlie Murphy]

I can see a draw, the 12th round could've gone either way imo, just as the 8th round could've gone either way, but I can also see 116-112 for Margarito, can't see how anyone would score it as a win for Clottey, I can't believe one judge had it scored 118-109 for Margarito :eek: what the HELL was he watching?!

[korey1980]

I've heard that Paul Williams may fight Winky, doesn't seem likely though, but I think it'd be a good, hard fight.

That is a bad matchup for Pwill, Winky will jab him to death. Think Paul is done at WW?

[Charlie Murphy]

I agree, I'd still love to see the fight though as its about time Winky got a big fight. I think he'll be done at WW after he fights Margarito again, plus he kills himself big time to get down to WW, which makes sense considering how tall he is, moving up to SWW is a wise move I think, not MW though, I doubt he could live with the power of guys like Pavlik and Abraham.

[korey1980]

I agree, I'd still love to see the fight though as its about time Winky got a big fight. I think he'll be done at WW after he fights Margarito again, plus he kills himself big time to get down to WW, which makes sense considering how tall he is, moving up to SWW is a wise move I think, not MW though, I doubt he could live with the power of guys like Pavlik and Abraham.

Agreed, 154 will suit him much better. Fighting Pavlik would be suicide, unless Paul seriously hones his skills. In fights I've seen him in he seemed clumbsy, and awkward when he throws punches. I cant believe people conpared him to Thomas Hearns. That is a huge bill to live up to, and once I saw him fight I was thinking, that is a terrible comparison, and havent gotten very excited to watch him since. The fact that he lost once to Quintana blows my mind. That loss, was one dumbest performances by a so-called elite fighter, I have ever seen. Paul got hit by every almost every left hand Quintana threw. Either his corner sucks, or he simply cannot adapt, and make changes to get out of the way of certain punches.

[nickelzdropdimes]

i heard a rumor that mayweather is unretired and may fight DLH...didnt bother posting the link because its just a rumor.

[korey1980]

i heard a rumor that mayweather is unretired and may fight DLH...didnt bother posting the link because its just a rumor.

This rematch is nonsense. I'd rather see Floyd stay retired, than come back to fight Oscar. What could Oscar possibly do differently to get the W. Nothing!!!! Floyd will fight the same fight, but win by a wider margin this time. What a meaningless fight. I'll bet anyone in the world that Floyd pitches a shutout this time, 120-108 all three judges scorecards.

[korey1980]

Floyd just doesnt get it, a rematch with Oscar will do nothing for his legacy, except maybe tarnish it a little bit more for not fighting the best out there. Whats hilarious is that all the Dela Hoya fanboys out there actually think Oscar has a shot at winning. I'm throwing my widecreen out the window if they air a Dela Hoya-Mayweather 24/7 on HBO. Floyd sucks, and Oscar cripples the sport by continuing to fight all the top guys, when they should be fighting someone else(Margo). I would love it if this fight bombed on PPV.

[nickelzdropdimes]

rumor is he'll make 70 mill if he fites DLH...im hoping this isnt confirmed.though im not mad at the hustle of this.....it dosent seem real IMO

[BANKY]

Margarito has been knocked down by a body shot before.
Oh really? Evidence, youtube video, something.

You don't ever have anything do you? You just say stuff without feeling you have to back it up or something bro?

Any evidence?

He was kd one time, a flash kd by a punch to the head.


please please please, show me the video of this, antdawg.

[AntDawg]

Oh really? Evidence, youtube video, something.

You don't ever have anything do you? You just say stuff without feeling you have to back it up or something bro?

Any evidence?

He was kd one time, a flash kd by a punch to the head.


please please please, show me the video of this, antdawg.
Don't have the video but they said it in the Clottey fight.When they were saying they were worried because he got knocked down by a body punch and Clottey likes to go to the body. This was the only one I could find but it was to the head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ByppXWRSLs&feature=related

[TDEEZY58]

rumor is he'll make 70 mill if he fites DLH...im hoping this isnt confirmed.though im not mad at the hustle of this.....it dosent seem real IMO

shouldn't even pay that any mind. Oscar always has a 70/30 split. that fight would have to generate over $230 million in order for Floyd to make $70 million.

[korey1980]

Don't have the video but they said it in the Clottey fight.When they were saying they were worried because he got knocked down by a body punch and Clottey likes to go to the body. This was the only one I could find but it was to the head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ByppXWRSLs&feature=related

I think he mightve, in his first fight............as an amateur. Margo has not been down from a body shot, quit making stuff up.

[AntDawg]

I think he mightve, in his first fight............as an amateur. Margo has not been down from a body shot, quit making stuff up. WTF I'm not making this up..Thats what the commentators were talking about in the Clottey fight. Thats were I got the info from. They talked about him being knocked down 3 times in his career and the one that had them worried the most was the one were he got knocked down by a body punch....Why the hell would I just make something up?

[reppa]

WTF I'm not making this up..Thats what the commentators were talking about in the Clottey fight. Thats were I got the info from. They talked about him being knocked down 3 times in his career and the one that had them worried the most was the one were he got knocked down by a body punch....Why the hell would I just make something up?

Yeah I remember them saying something like that. I think they even said it was a well-placed liver punch. When I heard that, I was like :eek: WOW. Most people do not get up from a shot like that and Marg did. Got up and won. I knew he was tough, but geez.

on a side note, I have to admit, I was losing a bit of interest in boxing, but that Maragrito-Cotto match got me excited again and looking forward to any fight Marg is in.

[King-Of-Kings]

margo looked skinny in that video and that was a great punch . What weight was that in and who was the other guy ?

[AntDawg]

margo looked skinny in that video and that was a great punch . What weight was that in and who was the other guy ? Don't know what weight but that was Danny Pérez.

[korey1980]

Don't know what weight but that was Danny Pérez.

Did u find the body shot kd yet? I just do not see that happening unless it was very early in his career(which he started at like 15). Margo is highly focused and is a machine when it comes to his stamina.

[AntDawg]

Did u find the body shot kd yet? I just do not see that happening unless it was very early in his career(which he started at like 15). Margo is highly focused and is a machine when it comes to his stamina. It was early in his career back in 96 he won the fight though.

[korey1980]

It was early in his career back in 96 he won the fight though.

I see how you can favor Clottey, hes a good fighter, with a great set of whiskers. I just think it is Margarito's time now, and he is not going to be denied his reign on the top of the division by anyone. Clottey's overall skill will not overshadow Margo's hustle and determination(imo). .

[AntDawg]

I see how you can favor Clottey, hes a good fighter, with a great set of whiskers. I just think it is Margarito's time now, and he is not going to be denied his reign on the top of the division by anyone. Clottey's overall skill will not overshadow Margo's hustle and determination(imo). .
Hopefully we will find out.

[BANKY]

Don't have the video but they said it in the Clottey fight.When they were saying they were worried because he got knocked down by a body punch and Clottey likes to go to the body. This was the only one I could find but it was to the head.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ByppXWRSLs&feature=related
Yeah, like i said.

Nation of F'N parrots. You are just repeating what someone else said and saying it's truth?

one time, danny perez, a flash kd. See how quick he gets up and bashes his face in?

How did I know that would be the only one you could find with nothing to back up your claims antdawg? I like you, but don't assume. Speak of what you know and if you don't, say you don't know.

I remember them saying that in the first fight between marg and clottey too, and then i remember thinking, wtf are they talking about. I also remember hearing the HBO crew saying some of the dumbest **** i have ever heard. Seriously bro, look it up before repeating it as fact.

[AntDawg]

Yeah, like i said.

Nation of F'N parrots. You are just repeating what someone else said and saying it's truth?

one time, danny perez, a flash kd. See how quick he gets up and bashes his face in?

How did I know that would be the only one you could find with nothing to back up your claims antdawg? I like you, but don't assume. Speak of what you know and if you don't, say you don't know.

I remember them saying that in the first fight between marg and clottey too, and then i remember thinking, wtf are they talking about. I also remember hearing the HBO crew saying some of the dumbest **** i have ever heard. Seriously bro, look it up before repeating it as fact. Well its kinda hard to find stuff on this guy...most of the things that pop up when I type his name in is the cotto fight....The guys said back in 96..maybe it will pop up later in time as he gets more popular.

[Goodfella2279]

To me, while I would be interested to see Mayweather come out of retirement, it doesn't really matter to me either way. As stated earlier, boxing has been doing fine without Mayweather and will continue to do so. So Mayweather coming back won't "save boxing" because I don't think it needs saving yet and he's certainly not the one to save it. That being said, I want to see Mayweather come back out of personal pride and concern over his legacy. He's an incredibly talented fighter who has beaten some very good fighters, no question, but I still think he didn't take on the very best the sport had to offer when he was an active fighter. So to me, I think he's got some unfinished business. Even if he fought Margarito and got blown out (not saying that would happen. Just an example) I would still have more respect for him because he fought the very best in the division. Win or lose, that means more to me than a glossy undefeated record.

[korey1980]

So to me, I think he's got some unfinished business. Even if he fought Margarito and got blown out (not saying that would happen. Just an example) I would still have more respect for him because he fought the very best in the division. Win or lose, that means more to me than a glossy undefeated record.

I think most of us die-hard fans feel the same way. If he came back and beat Margo easily, no one could argue his self-proclaimed greatness. That would just prove he was just in a different league than everyone he faced.

[reppa]

I think most of us die-hard fans feel the same way. If he came back and beat Margo easily, no one could argue his self-proclaimed greatness. That would just prove he was just in a different league than everyone he faced.

Not to be a **ck, but I could. Mayweather comes back and wins a boring 12 round UD. Might as well put this fight on a ****ing track. This doesn't prove he has the heart of a champion. If what he has accomplished makes him a great fighter.....huh........whatever. Seeing what a fighter has when he's tested and the odds are against him. Seeing how a fighter comes back after a crushing defeat. That is what makes a great fighter. I'm sorry, but an undefeated record, great boxing skills and being able to carefully navigate your career through the ranks does not equal a great figher. That's half of it, but I would be disrespecting every fighter that ever entered the ring if I agreed with that **it. Mayweather is not a fighter and should not be compared to one.

[korey1980]

Not to be a **ck, but I could. Mayweather comes back and wins a boring 12 round UD. Might as well put this fight on a ****ing track. This doesn't prove he has the heart of a champion. If what he has accomplished makes him a great fighter.....huh........whatever. Seeing what a fighter has when he's tested and the odds are against him. Seeing how a fighter comes back after a crushing defeat. That is what makes a great fighter. I'm sorry, but an undefeated record, great boxing skills and being able to carefully navigate your career through the ranks does not equal a great figher. That's half of it, but I would be disrespecting every fighter that ever entered the ring if I agreed with that **it. Mayweather is not a fighter and should not be compared to one.

Idk man, if Mayweather comes back and beats Margarito(which I dont think he could) what could we criticize him about? I mean, I hate his defensive minded style, but it obviously works well for him. I would say that he has carefully selected his opponents ever since he defeated Corrales, but not his entire career.

[reppa]

Idk man, if Mayweather comes back and beats Margarito(which I dont think he could) what could we criticize him about? I mean, I hate his defensive minded style, but it obviously works well for him. I would say that he has carefully selected his opponents ever since he defeated Corrales, but not his entire career.

I don't know either korey. On one hand I think I am being too critical and on the other, not critical enough. I do agee with this...." I mean, I hate his defensive minded style, but it obviously works well for him. I would say that he has carefully selected his opponents ever since he defeated Corrales, but not his entire career"

I just don't care for his style, and his antics outside the ring make me dislike the guy even more. It's like after the Corrales fight, his entire mindset changed. Like he was going one way and then decided to go another. It's like when he started his career.....he wanted to be a great fighter and fight the best and be a champion. Then he just wanted money. That's how I seen it anyway. I just can't respect a guy like that.

[korey1980]

I don't know either korey. On one hand I think I am being too critical and on the other, not critical enough. I do agee with this...." I mean, I hate his defensive minded style, but it obviously works well for him. I would say that he has carefully selected his opponents ever since he defeated Corrales, but not his entire career"

I just don't care for his style, and his antics outside the ring make me dislike the guy even more. It's like after the Corrales fight, his entire mindset changed. Like he was going one way and then decided to go another. It's like when he started his career.....he wanted to be a great fighter and fight the best and be a champion. Then he just wanted money. That's how I seen it anyway. I just can't respect a guy like that.

I agree. His antics inside and outside of the ring make him very easy to dislike. When you give yourself a nickname like "Money" you are not in the game to prove your the best. And he lies about how much money he makes, that is just dumb. Mayweather is a retard, but possibly the best defensive fighter in the last 50 years, not even close to the best ever. Every fighter has taken on some questionable opposition in their career, but Mayweather chooses to fight way too many guys that are either taylormade for him, or are past their personal best. I respect that he whooped Corrales, beat Castillo clearly(1 time), but his fights in the last 4-5 years have meant nothing. Oscar wasnt on the top of his game, Hatton hasnt looked good since he beat Tszyu, Gatti sucks, Baldomir is not even 1/3 as quick as Floyd. We all see the pattern of opponents Floyd has been fighting. I dont think Floyd is dumb enough to think those opponents were top of the line, well maybe he is. Floyd knows his greatness is in serious question. With that said, if Floyd comes back and fights Margarito, I will call that good enough, and say that he deserves to at least be listed in the top 30 of all time greats, but his "money is all that matters" attitude in the last 5 years has eliminated him from the top 20(imo). There is no reason Floyd should not have faught Oscar(five years ago), Mosley, Cotto, Forrest, Margarito, or even Casamayor. I wouldve enjoyed watching all of those fights when the time was right.