Hello from the NBA 2K Insider

[The NBA 2K Insider]

Hey guys,
I want to take this opportunity to introduce myself to everyone. I am the NBA 2K Insider and I will be the one managing the Living Rosters feature for NBA 2K9. With each roster update, you can read my comments by accessing the NBA 2K Insider feature from the main menu [Features --> NBA 2K Insider]. There I'll tell you who's hot and who's not under the Latest News header, which essentially highlights the changes made in the current downloadable roster. If Mike Dunleavy was a one season wonder and reverts to his Warriors days, I'll adjust his ratings accordingly. If Jermaine O'Neal's career is revitalized in Toronto, I'll be sure he gets the bump up in the appropriate attributes. Other content will include injury updates, lineup or rotation changes, trades and if new animations have been unlocked for a particular player. The Biggest Movers will list the players whose ratings have changed the most based on exceptionally good or bad play during the NBA season.

Another cool feature you'll want to check out is my website, which will go live in October. It will feature a blog which allows me to elaborate on player or team news, as well as let you guys post comments. This is where you'll want to let your thoughts be known during the season. I'm looking forward to reading what the community has to say.

More to come later.
Insider

[Hamburglar32]

Welcome to the boards

[JP le Requin]

hi from france...dont forget to update our french players ;-)
and put eva longoria in spurs crowd too ;-)
and timmy duncan will go up for the PO

[KURT2134]

is the new living roster feature just like past years roster update? Meaning, if we make manual changes will they be erased when we get the latest update from you

[kue6154]

Good... your the guy I get to yell at becasue how horrible 2k has the Bulls Defense. Please let that be the 1st thing you change

[ctrob]

Nothing against you insider, it's just we were hyped up, for a major announcement... I don't think this applies...but welcome

[teebone21]

thats nice 2k insider but i hope you arent the Exclusive annoucment we have been waiting on and if so i am disappointed

[teebone21]

thats nice 2k insider but i hope you are the Exclusive annoucment we have been waiting on and if so i am disappointed

[calinks]

Glad to have you on Stephen A. Dubois!

[shotta 99]

this seems like one of the best features in a basketball game so far

[scandgolden2417]

Whats up insider these are some of the changes that need to be made to the NBA 2K9 ratings.

Thanks.
I hope you consider this.

76ers Andre Iguodala - Dunk 99 to 95
Blazers Steve Blake - 3pt 87 to 81
Blazers – Travis Outlaw 3pt 77 to 69
Bobcats Jason Richardson - Dunk 99 to 98
3pt 97 to 92
Bobcats Gerald Wallace - Dunk 99 to 94
3pt 80 to 74
Bucks Desmond Mason - Dunk 96 to 95
Bucks Joe Alexander - Dunk 96 to 93
Bucks Damon Jones - 3pt 92 to 88
Bucks Tyronn Lue - 3pt 87 to 77
Bucks Michael Redd - 3pt 89 to 93
Cavaliers Daniel Gibson - 3pt 95 to 90
Cavaliers LeBron James - Mid 85 to 78
3pt 82 to 80
Dnk 99 to 95
hndling 96 to 91
Blk 63 to 70
Spd 91 to 93
Celtics Paul Pierce – Mid 85 to 88
3pt 89 to 87
Celtics Ray Allen – Mid 90 to 89
Clippers Baron Davis - 3pt 93 to 86
Clippers Ricky Davis - 3pt 89 to 84
Grizzlies Rudy *** - 3pt 89 to 80
Grizzlies Antoine Walker – 3pt 85 to 75
Hawks Josh Smith – Dunk 99 to 97
Hawks Maurice Evans – 3pt 87 to 74
Hawks Joe Johnson - 3pt 88 to 89
Heat Chris Quinn - 3pt 89 to 75
Mid 85 to 77
Heat Marcus Banks - Mid 85 to 73
3pt 90 to 72
Heat James Jones - 3pt 95 to 83
Heat Daequan Cook - 3pt 92 to 77
Heat Shawn Marion – Mid 77 to 80
3pt 79 to 77
Spd 74 to 80
Hornets James Posey- Mid 83 to 79
3pt 87 to 83
Hornets Rasual Butler- Mid 83 to 77
3pt 86 to 81
Hornets Julian Wright- 3pt 78 to 72
Hornets Morris Peterson - 3pt 92 to 84
Hornets Peja Stojakovic - 3pt 99 to 95
Jazz Ronnie Price - 3pt 87 to 70
Jazz Morris Almond – Mid 80 to 75
3pt 89 to 65
Jazz C.J Miles –Mid 83 to 77
3pt 83 to 70
Kings Quincy Douby - 3pt 86 to 71
Kings Francisco Garcia – 3pt 89 to 79
Knicks Nate Robinson – 3pt 85 to 79


Lakers Kobe Bryant – Mid 87 to 90
3pt 89 to 84
Dunk 99 to 95
Spd 92 to 91
Lakers Lamar Odom - Mid 80 to 70
Lakers Coby Karl - Mid 76 to 70
3pt 81 to 68
Lakers Luke Walton – Mid 75 to 70
3pt 77 to 74
Lakers Sasha Vujacic – Mid 88 to 82
3pt 92 to 88
Lakers Trevor Ariza - 3pt 71 to 60
Lakers Jordan Farmar – Mid 81 to 77
3pt 86 to 78
Lakers Derek Fisher - 3pt 91 to 86
Magic Rashard Lewis - 3pt 96 to 91
Magic Keith Bogans - 3pt 89 to 78
Magic Courtney lee - 3pt 86 to 70
Magic Hedo Turkoglu - 3pt 91 to 88
Magic Jameer Nelson - 3pt 86 to 80
Mavericks Jason Kidd - Mid 78 to 73
3pt 84 to 77
Mavericks Gerald Green - Dunk 99 to 96
3pt 85 to 75
Nets Bobby Simmons – 3pt87 to81
Nets Jarvis Hayes – 3pt87 to 75
Nets Vince Carter - Dunk 92 to 99
Mid 83 to 87
Nuggets Allen Iverson – 3pt 83 to 79
Nuggets Carmelo Anthony – 3pt 82 to 73
Nuggets J.R Smith – Mid 88 to 86
3pt 96 to 86
Dunk 99 to 94
Pacers Mike Dunleavy - 3pt 94 to 86
Pacers Danny Granger - 3pt 95 to 85
Pistons Richard Hamilton - 3pt 86 to 79
Pistons Tayshaun Prince - BlK 56 to 65
Raptor Jose Calderon – 3pt 89 to 86
Raptors Jamario Moon - Vertical 87 to 97
Raptors Jason Kapono - 3pt 96 to 95
Rockets Tracy McGrady - Mid 78 to 88
3pt 80 to 83
Rockets Ron Artest - 3pt 86 to 79
Rockets Aaron Brooks - 3pt 86 to 78
Rockets Steve Francis - 3pt 84 to 75
Rockets Rafer Alston - 3pt 87 to 84
Rockets Brent Barry - 3pt 98 to 90
Mid 87 to 85
Spurs Manu Ginobili - 3pt 93 to 87
Spurs Michael Finley -3pt 90 to 85
Spurs Tony Parker –Lay up 89 to99
Suns Leandro Barbosa - Mid 88 to 79
3pt 92 to 89
Suns Raja Bell - Mid 88 to 74
3pt 96 to 90
Suns Steve Nash - 3pt 97 to 94
T’wolves Mike Miller - 3pt 95 to 90
T’wolves Randy Foye - 3pt 89 to 82
T’wolves Rashad McCants - 3pt 92 to 83
Warriors Corey Maggette - 3pt 83 to 77
Warriors Stephen Jackson - 3pt 92 to 87
Warriors Monta Ellis - Mid 90 to 87
Wizards Gilbert Arenas - 3pt 94 to 88
Wizards DeShawn Stevenson - 3pt 92 to 82

[ITSBONE]

Hey man welcome to the boards Insider. Get ready to crank up the Milwaukee Bucks player ratings over the course of the season.

[Kstat]

...how about you start with the laundry list of ratings that are ALREADY terrible?

For starters, Rodney Stuckey being a 74 is criminal.

I'm sure everyone else here can come up with at LEAST 50 other players 2K either rated way too high or way too low. The ratings for this game are the worst I've ever seen from an NBA 2K game.

It would be nice for you to try to take the time that 2K9 fans WOULD have spent on playing the demo that hasn't come out, and use it to make them less angry by addressing their complaints about the absurd player ratings we've read.

[stupendous52]

How did you land my dream job?

[Smith146]

Not the news I was expecting either but welcome! Any chance of some of these ratings being fixed on release day or perhaps before? I'm not a Jazz fan at all but ratings like Ronnie Brewer received do not make much sense.

[J-H!zZl3]

We all are disappointed right about now, but nothing against you man. So I'm going to put aside my feelings and say welcome Stephen A..lol.

[#1_Josh_Boone_Fan]

Awesome. Could we see Sean Williams (PF, Nets) get his potential upped to 90 in the next update? Thanks.

[teebone21]

is the 2k insider the big anouncment????????????? Thats supposed to make up for lack of info and no demo!!!

[ghettog]

Nice to see you on the boards. However to be honest though this is a terrible way to introduce you. They said there was a "MAJOR" Announcement coming right before you posted. So if that's you well that's not a very good way to introduce someone that we knew about already.

Other then that I look forward to seeing how this goes. Good luck I hope you keep it going all the way till the NBA finals.

[All3nIv3rson]

Welcome to the forum , 2k insider . I am All3nIv3rson . I'm a dedicated basketball and 2k fan . Hope your job won't be too hard , there's so many crybabies out here .

[Red Envy]

76ers Andre Iguodala - Dunk 99 to 95
Blazers Steve Blake - 3pt 87 to 81
Blazers – Travis Outlaw 3pt 77 to 69
Bobcats Jason Richardson - Dunk 99 to 98
3pt 97 to 92
Bobcats Gerald Wallace - Dunk 99 to 94
3pt 80 to 74
Bucks Desmond Mason - Dunk 96 to 95
Bucks Joe Alexander - Dunk 96 to 93
Bucks Damon Jones - 3pt 92 to 88
Bucks Tyronn Lue - 3pt 87 to 77
Bucks Michael Redd - 3pt 89 to 93
Cavaliers Daniel Gibson - 3pt 95 to 90
Cavaliers LeBron James - Mid 85 to 78
3pt 82 to 80
Dnk 99 to 95
hndling 96 to 91
Blk 63 to 70
Spd 91 to 93
Celtics Paul Pierce – Mid 85 to 88
3pt 89 to 87
Celtics Ray Allen – Mid 90 to 89
Clippers Baron Davis - 3pt 93 to 86
Clippers Ricky Davis - 3pt 89 to 84
Grizzlies Rudy *** - 3pt 89 to 80
Grizzlies Antoine Walker – 3pt 85 to 75
Hawks Josh Smith – Dunk 99 to 97
Hawks Maurice Evans – 3pt 87 to 74
Hawks Joe Johnson - 3pt 88 to 89
Heat Chris Quinn - 3pt 89 to 75
Mid 85 to 77
Heat Marcus Banks - Mid 85 to 73
3pt 90 to 72
Heat James Jones - 3pt 95 to 83
Heat Daequan Cook - 3pt 92 to 77
Heat Shawn Marion – Mid 77 to 80
3pt 79 to 77
Spd 74 to 80
Hornets James Posey- Mid 83 to 79
3pt 87 to 83
Hornets Rasual Butler- Mid 83 to 77
3pt 86 to 81
Hornets Julian Wright- 3pt 78 to 72
Hornets Morris Peterson - 3pt 92 to 84
Hornets Peja Stojakovic - 3pt 99 to 95
Jazz Ronnie Price - 3pt 87 to 70
Jazz Morris Almond – Mid 80 to 75
3pt 89 to 65
Jazz C.J Miles –Mid 83 to 77
3pt 83 to 70
Kings Quincy Douby - 3pt 86 to 71
Kings Francisco Garcia – 3pt 89 to 79
Knicks Nate Robinson – 3pt 85 to 79


Lakers Kobe Bryant – Mid 87 to 90
3pt 89 to 84
Dunk 99 to 95
Spd 92 to 91
Lakers Lamar Odom - Mid 80 to 70
Lakers Coby Karl - Mid 76 to 70
3pt 81 to 68
Lakers Luke Walton – Mid 75 to 70
3pt 77 to 74
Lakers Sasha Vujacic – Mid 88 to 82
3pt 92 to 88
Lakers Trevor Ariza - 3pt 71 to 60
Lakers Jordan Farmar – Mid 81 to 77
3pt 86 to 78
Lakers Derek Fisher - 3pt 91 to 86
Magic Rashard Lewis - 3pt 96 to 91
Magic Keith Bogans - 3pt 89 to 78
Magic Courtney lee - 3pt 86 to 70
Magic Hedo Turkoglu - 3pt 91 to 88
Magic Jameer Nelson - 3pt 86 to 80
Mavericks Jason Kidd - Mid 78 to 73
3pt 84 to 77
Mavericks Gerald Green - Dunk 99 to 96
3pt 85 to 75
Nets Bobby Simmons – 3pt87 to81
Nets Jarvis Hayes – 3pt87 to 75
Nets Vince Carter - Dunk 92 to 99
Mid 83 to 87
Nuggets Allen Iverson – 3pt 83 to 79
Nuggets Carmelo Anthony – 3pt 82 to 73
Nuggets J.R Smith – Mid 88 to 86
3pt 96 to 86
Dunk 99 to 94
Pacers Mike Dunleavy - 3pt 94 to 86
Pacers Danny Granger - 3pt 95 to 85
Pistons Richard Hamilton - 3pt 86 to 79
Pistons Tayshaun Prince - BlK 56 to 65
Raptor Jose Calderon – 3pt 89 to 86
Raptors Jamario Moon - Vertical 87 to 97
Raptors Jason Kapono - 3pt 96 to 95
Rockets Tracy McGrady - Mid 78 to 88
3pt 80 to 83
Rockets Ron Artest - 3pt 86 to 79
Rockets Aaron Brooks - 3pt 86 to 78
Rockets Steve Francis - 3pt 84 to 75
Rockets Rafer Alston - 3pt 87 to 84
Rockets Brent Barry - 3pt 98 to 90
Mid 87 to 85
Spurs Manu Ginobili - 3pt 93 to 87
Spurs Michael Finley -3pt 90 to 85
Spurs Tony Parker –Lay up 89 to99
Suns Leandro Barbosa - Mid 88 to 79
3pt 92 to 89
Suns Raja Bell - Mid 88 to 74
3pt 96 to 90
Suns Steve Nash - 3pt 97 to 94
T’wolves Mike Miller - 3pt 95 to 90
T’wolves Randy Foye - 3pt 89 to 82
T’wolves Rashad McCants - 3pt 92 to 83
Warriors Corey Maggette - 3pt 83 to 77
Warriors Stephen Jackson - 3pt 92 to 87
Warriors Monta Ellis - Mid 90 to 87
Wizards Gilbert Arenas - 3pt 94 to 88
Wizards DeShawn Stevenson - 3pt 92 to 82

dont listen to this fool

[xxxmike walxxx]

Welcome to the boards NBA Insider, glad to have a dedicated person to address player ratings and keeping them updated.

Guys let's give him a break, what's happened on the boards isn't his fault, so let's extend a welcome and no more negative comments please.

Once again Welcome and glad to have you!

[Siner]

welcome to the boards Insider...(slips him a 20) Bobcats..make it happen ;)

[scandgolden2417]

dont listen to this fool
Did i underate one of your favorite players???????????????????????????
Why so mad.
My favorite team is the lakers and walton, odom, sasha, farmar, ariza, coby karl and even kobe were overated in those categories that i posted.
So calm your nipples. No ****.

[DOntHAteDaPlAyAHatEDaGAME]

Is it possible if we can get some background information about u?? to see how knowledgeable u are about the NBA.

[Red Envy]

Did i underate one of your favorite players???????????????????????????
Why so mad.
My favorite team is the lakers and walton, odom, sasha, farmar, ariza, coby karl and even kobe were overated in those categories that i posted.
So calm your nipples. No ****

last time i heard there was no player rating, there going by letter grades so how the hell u come up wit these bull rating?

[totalownership]

Don't forget to add Allan Houston to the Knicks

[Cool2Fool]

would you be able to adjust lebron james headband so that the nba logo is centered??? such superstar looks awkward with his headband sideway...

[scandgolden2417]

last time i heard there was no player rating, there going by letter grades so how the hell u come up wit these bull rating?
Go to sportsgamer.com and see the new nba 2k9 individual ratings for yourself.
The letter grades are just 8 categories that will show up as a quick, easy way of showing each players skill without having to look at numbers but the numbers are still there and you will be able to see them by clicking the left analog stick.

[rastabudd]

Here's my question that many don't know the answer to
http://2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185442

Will Living Roster updates transfer into my SEASON mode? Or am I stuck with rosters/ratings that I start the SEASON with???

I saw a couple of different answers to this question on different websites, so I'd like to know what the official word is.

Remember, it's OK if you don't know the answer. :)

[Hotobu]

When I saw the title of this thread I figured that we'd see everyone standing in line to complain.

Anyway since you are the "stats guy" and have your own website I think it would be a good idea (and I believe you owe it to us) to spell out a detailed synopsis of how you arrive at every rating category from the entirely empirical "FT%" down to the far less tangible "strength" .

*Assuming the leaked ratings were correct...

(I guess this is a bit of a complaint, but at least it's in question form...) I'm wondering how a guy like Steve Nash has a 3pt rating of 97 (Hell the man shot 47% for the year so I can't really complain here), but Baron Davis (34%) gets a 93. Proportionally this makes no sense.

[and1product]

I feel like I got socks for Christmas.:( Oh well, welcome to the forum.

[IVODEM]

I feel like I got socks for Christmas.:( Oh well, welcome to the forum.
I feel the exact same way...

And this is supposed to replace the demo and this is what doing that code was about?

[bullstown4life]

I hope for your sake 2K Insider that you don't like Cheez Doodles.

2K, if you honestly did hire Stephen A Smith, you lose an insanely large amount of credibility. The guy has no true basketball insight. He's just a loud, obnoxious man who talks out of his behind.

[NYCDaFuture4sho]

1st.... U gonna bein seein alot from me so dont get sensistve from my posts na mean its jus da way i am i keep it a 100 aka real.

So this is the big announcement..... Yea I would have rather had the demo then this... O well guess i'll b gettin my 2k9 da real game by next tues in local stores so dis is decent i guess....



U da insider so it would b good that u like post here regualry n answer ppl ?'s instead of bein ghost for days witout messages. O n its nice to see another black man b important again... lookin at ur avatar lol. Dont worry im black too so its nuttin racist na mean. GEt da work poppin cuz u gonna b hearin alot of bs on here. 1

[AntDawg]

Did i underate one of your favorite players???????????????????????????
Why so mad.
My favorite team is the lakers and walton, odom, sasha, farmar, ariza, coby karl and even kobe were overated in those categories that i posted.
So calm your nipples. No ****. the lil one point deductions and 1 point add were unnecessary. Didn't really check anything else.

[2K Admin Ron]

Guys... the major announcement wasn't simply 2K Insider making a post. It was for him to answer a few questions and be a resource to you all. Yes, I know you guys knew about the existence of The 2K Insider, but you didn't know who he was or get to talk to him before. You guys have been pining to talk to him for a week, especially with all this discussion about who's got what rating, so I got him here.

Unfortunately, the load of users checking in to the forums has created a very slow experience. It took him forever to log-in consistently to make that initial post. It's now 3 hours later and I am dealing with trying to get our server fixed and 2K Insider has just been hanging waiting for conditions to get better. The server, as announced in the 2K News section, will be going down in a couple hours for maintenance. Thanks to those of you who are being patient and understanding.

[and1product]

Guys... the major announcement wasn't simply 2K Insider making a post. It was for him to answer a few questions and be a resource to you all. Yes, I know you guys knew about the existence of The 2K Insider, but you didn't know who he was or get to talk to him before. You guys have been pining to talk to him for a week so I got him here.

Unfortunately, the load of users checking in to the forums has created a very slow experience. It took him forever to log-in consistently to make that initial post. It's now 3 hours later and I am dealing with trying to get our server fixed and 2K Insider has just been hanging waiting for conditions to get better. The server, as announced in the 2K News section, will be going down in a couple hours for maintanence. Thanks to those of you who are being patient and understanding.


I respect you guys. With all our whining and outburst (me included) you guys still maintain a cool and patient way of telling us stuff. I applaud you guys for that and will be patient.

[jayrivera3]

I was wondering why it's been so slow...

These are questions for the 2K Insider:

1. Who are your favorite players at their respective positions?

2. What does it feel like to be able to have total control of NBA 2K's ratings system?

3. What is new this year in regards to how players are rated?

4. Which player and which attribute is most likely to change as the season progresses?

5. How many hours a day/week do you work?

[agentzero]

arghhhh still disappointed... does that really fit into the catergory of MAJOR annoucement?

[thedude213]

I thought we'd be getting a demo, or new videos showing features. But this is a good idea, except for the fact that the boards are moving so slow that no one is going to want to post a question and wait 10 minutes before an answer comes back.

[IVODEM]

arghhhh still disappointed... does that really fit into the catergory of MAJOR annoucement?
I can answer this one

no...

[Scuba]

Welcome Insider. Hope all is well. Hope everything runs smoothly for you. If this works out, this can change the way we go about things in the future. Adding, changing attributes, tendencies, players, teams, dribble/shooting/layup/dunk packages.. Welcome once again.

[NBA2K9]

Hi insider it really doesnt feel like the best time to introduce yourself tho.

[EKOBE8]

Thanks. Looks like this will be the best 2k basketball game of all-time can't wait to play it.

[nickckkw]

okay just a few things mabe should be tweaked with the player ratings.

TMac was 91, I think he should be 94
Yao was 94, should be 92
Andre Iquodala should be 88, was 87
MY main concern, Rodney Stuckey 74, I think he deserves to be 80, he came up clutch for the pistons, hes extremely athletic, please change stuckey.

Sorry for all the complaints, but welcome to the 2k boards, You just totally made this game like 2 times better, thanks dude

[Asiant Zero]

hey insider, i dont really care about ratings cuz i usually use my own anyways. what i want to know will there be regular updates that will add missing players in the game when warranted? theres already some missing players on the current roster i think.

[RocketMan]

Ahhhh im disappointed about the demo thing. Well atleast we got this insider dude now.

[agentzero]

ALLAN HOUSTON on the knickss wooo tiem to create him.

[nickckkw]

everyone chill out, if you want to wine and complain about 2k9 what good will it do, it wont bring the demo or anything any sooner, just give ron and the 2k insider a break, But seriosly i dont think anyone in here will get nba live 09.

[KINGSFAN23]

u dont do all this by urself do u cuz thats a lot of work nd i hope u fixed kevin martins jump shot cuz it was ugly i didnt like it but i hope u took out the jumpshot that derek fisher and josh smith have i hate that shot

[JO2CB4]

First thing you got to do is bump up CB4 to a 94 JO to an 87 and bring down Jose to an 85. You also need to add in Nathan Jawai, the Raptors 2nd round pick.

No offense to the 2k insider, but this was the worst suprise for what was leading up to it. damn man, almostt 200 pages of trying to solve a ridle and we didnt even get the demo.

[Ahav05]

why is shawn Marion's rating 85? he did well last year

[GUNITNYC3]

Wudup 2k insider dude, hope u keep this thing updated weekly but anyway a couple questions.

Will you be adding signature shots as see fit during the season like kobe doing new fadeaways.

Will there be added blocks like lebron snatching balls off of the backboard like he did in the olympics, I think he will be getting more blocks like that so are you in position to get new animations like this in the game?

Same question for isomotion moves, will you update new moves of a guy like Chris Paul who does alot of moves in the season, like how he will curl off a pick @ roll and change pace for a drive or alley oop. What is the extent of the new animations that will be added?

[Crimsion]

The only reason the 2k9 demo isn't out is because sony made them push it back so they could release the NBA 09 demo.

For the 2k Insider,

Do you think that the league will change in NBA 2k9 when players like Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade, LeBron James & Kobe Bryant are on the Free-Agent market?

[Varsity]

I can't wait to hear the 2k insiders first rating change, me and Howard Eiskein is goin 2 rip on the air

[JO2CB4]

lmao sick avy

[Kingof2k08]

Get ready 4 another fun year NBA 2K9

[bizerk1]

Well it was fun while it lasted!

[calinks]

2K Insider, can you name a couple of low profile players you think will have a big season this year?

[shotta 99]

hey 2k insider how often will the updates be?

[Varsity]

I lol cuz someone deleted my avatar without me knowing i hope the updates r often

[IowaAJ]

Hey insider welcome to the boards. Quick Question how do you think the Twolves will do this year. I am excited to see how much they improve thanks.

[Varsity]

I think they will do ok, but will need an better starters.

[hrlmstar]

shouldnt we atleast give him a chance to answer

[calinks]

We got a new announcement. The Insider has just been sent home. If we solve 8 more riddles by tomorrow he will come back next month!

[bizerk1]

so are you going to answer insider?

[OkcThunder]

This insider picked a bad day to introduce himself, holla at me in a couple days bruh.

[ChuckyFE]

2k Insider, the first part of your job is to change Jamal Crawford's ratings. He should be about 104 overall. Also, get me a coffee. Not that mocha chino type stuff, get me one of those uh, err one of those vanilla bull**** things.

Oh and welcome.






Get me that coffee.

[Flya24]

^^^^ Wat's wrong with you dawg? LOL.


Welcome 2k Insider.

[Hammi24]

Lmao Rashidi good job. He's living your dream while you're posting in his thread to which he's not even going to read because he's so busy living your dream.

[Legendoflegends]

lol. Don't you guy's get it? I don't even think this 2k insider guy is REAL....He's not even responding to your questions? lol. What 2k MOD posted that original 2k insider introduction speech? hahahahahahahaaha...to funny. PLEASE STOP PLAYING WITH THESE KIDS EMOTIONS. This is just one big COVER UP people!! The BIG ANNOUNCEMENT WAS suppose to be about the demo and they are simply now trying to cover up, but they are really doing a bad job of it. lol...to funny..hahahahahaha


lmaooooooooooo...rotfl!!

[Rashidi]

I'm your primary competition and the standard you'll inevitably be held to. Nice to meet you.

[battousaiken]

I'm your primary competition and the standard you'll inevitably be held to. Nice to meet you.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mikedeezy]

I'm your primary competition and the standard you'll inevitably be held to. Nice to meet you.

lol liek dude said 2k insider prolly aint even real, Ron prolly just made that account and psoted so it looks like we got something. loll

[C H I C A G O]

All I ask is that the rosters be updated no more than 72 Hours after a trade, because having to wait till mid Feb or March is damn near crazy.

[OkcThunder]

I'm your primary competition and the standard you'll inevitably be held to. Nice to meet you.

Ill take Rashidi ratings over this ghost insider, but u have to admit he is a product of 2ksports.com he doesnt reply to anything hahahaha...:thumbsdow

[DOntHAteDaPlAyAHatEDaGAME]

Lmao Rashidi good job. He's living your dream while you're posting in his thread to which he's not even going to read because he's so busy living your dream.


LOL...Wow that was harsh.

[KiiNg$Cadiillac$23]

Lmao...I think u guys scared off the 2K Insider

[omizie]

if were not going to get a demo atleast give us more trailers and gameplay videos instead of making up this 2k insider guy

[lcahmed]

well at least we got something, not much, but something. 2kinsider, bulls vs cavs trailer. great work 2day 2k. great work. (smell the sarcasm in my breath? ive had alot of it today.)

[Cali Boy33]

cool now instead of 3-4 updates we'll get 5-6 j/k....welcome

[OkcThunder]

well at least we got something, not much, but something. 2kinsider, bulls vs cavs trailer. great work 2day 2k. great work. (smell the sarcasm in my breath? ive had alot of it today.)

Where u see a bulls vs cavs trailer? if u talking bout the video from OS that aint this site doing anything lol..

[Future 23]

Lmao Rashidi good job. He's living your dream while you're posting in his thread to which he's not even going to read because he's so busy living your dream.

wow... harsh words to say the least... Hammi24 - 1 Rashidi - 0 :D

[swizzy]

OKC is right those vidz don't really hav N e thing 2 do wit dem

[Future 23]

well what do you expect there are like 300 people asking him questions

[Rashidi]

wow... harsh words to say the least... Hammi24 - 1 Rashidi - 0 :D

Hi stalker.


*edited by KC*

This is your first and last warning.

[bizerk1]

We scared off the "2k insider" He said F' this im gone'' lmao!

[kcxiv]

We scared off the "2k insider" He said F' this im gone'' lmao!
You all didnt scare him. He will be back. The server just got hammered today and no one could really do anything on this site. I hope they give it more bandwidth soon. It needs it.

[Future 23]

You all didnt scare him. He will be back. The server just got hammered today and no one could really do anything on this site. I hope they give it more bandwidth soon. It needs it.


is that why he like triple posted his intro?? i do not envy the guy's position.. he is gonna get bombarded for the next year

[kcxiv]

Until I see 2K Insider's ratings, I'm still using Rashidi's for obvious reasons, and quite frankly, Rashidi's ratings will be tough to beat.
He wont be able to upload the new animations though. lol

[omizie]

i want more!!!!

[leroyhk]

Insider: How often will you update the roster? You know, Live got the Live365 which updates everyday, I don't mean that 2k needs to follow, but 3-4days per update should do well IMO.

[kcxiv]

if were not going to get a demo atleast give us more trailers and gameplay videos instead of making up this 2k insider guy
There are gameplay videos all over the internet now. They give them builds of the game for that reason.

[Rene]

Until I see 2K Insider's ratings, I'm still using Rashidi's for obvious reasons, and quite frankly, Rashidi's ratings will be tough to beat.

[Rashidi]

He wont be able to upload the new animations though. lol

But he will be able to download the file and just make his updates from there.

lol?

[Future 23]

we should all get a group together and have people edit their home teams and then submit it to the 2kinsider instead of just blabbing and complaining in an unorganized manner

[Preston001]

Hey 2k Insider, You've got a lot of responsibility in your hands. I hope you'll make changes that are always reasonable and not too drastic... After all, this is still a video game ;) Looking forward to seeing your updates...

[leroyhk]

I saw the news about Living Roster, and I saw they use the word "unlock" to mention the downloading of new animations. So is it really new contents to download or is it only a code to unlock sth that's already inside the game?

[Rashidi]

*edited by KC*

This is your first and last warning.

http://www.2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185494

Considering how much the rest of the board gets away with, this is laughable.

Banning me would just be the icing on this forum's cake.

[omizie]

they already said those werent the right ratings

[Future 23]

i actually agree he should be a 77-79

[detroitshaw]

...how about you start with the laundry list of ratings that are ALREADY terrible?

For starters, Rodney Stuckey being a 74 is criminal.




THANK YOU!!! Rodney Stuckey does not even need to play one game in this upcoming season for us to justify a rating increase. Wasn't he a 74 last year before 2k knew anything about him? Now we know ALOT more, I am sure everyone saw his performance towards the end of the season and into the Eastern Conf Finals. I would appreciate at least an 80. I can name multiple players in the game that aren't nearly as talented and capable as him and they are rated over him. It is like 2k just copied his ratings from 2k8 and put them into 2k9. PLEASE help Insider. Thanks

[mikedeezy]

THANK YOU!!! Rodney Stuckey does not even need to play one game in this upcoming season for us to justify a rating increase. Wasn't he a 74 last year before 2k knew anything about him? Now we know ALOT more, I am sure everyone saw his performance towards the end of the season and into the Eastern Conf Finals. I would appreciate at least an 80. I can name multiple players in the game that aren't nearly as talented and capable as him and they are rated over him. It is like 2k just copied his ratings from 2k8 and put them into 2k9. PLEASE help Insider. Thanks
actually they downgraded him he was 75 in 2k8

[detroitshaw]

actually they downgraded him he was 75 in 2k8

oh.... :-(

[bobday]

I am so excited about next week! When 2K insider will be introduced... again! Ron will post for him, cause posting. that's not his **** :lol:

[JHova1982]

http://www.2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185494

Considering how much the rest of the board gets away with, this is laughable.

Banning me would just be the icing on this forum's cake.

i didnt want to say nothing but honestly rashidi your ratings are wack especially toward players shooting. i glance at the stars especially lebron and for a video game those are unrealistic ratings. your ratings is taking sim into a very dull area so i rather take 2k insider ratings than yours dog. i think u also have taking your ratings persona to your head and it show whenever ratings is discussed, but trust your ratings are not that good but this is just by observing your post for the past week or 2.

your ratings are only for people who has the desire to play 10 to 12 min quarters but for short quarters i wouldnt recommend any one to even glance at your ratings. so with that being said 2k people if u enjoy long quarters but dont want to score 120 points each game, by all means use rashidi ratings, but if u enjoy your quarters between 5 to 8 minutes then 2k ratings are perfectly fine and the 2k insider will adjust them accordingly through the season.

[JHova1982]

THANK YOU!!! Rodney Stuckey does not even need to play one game in this upcoming season for us to justify a rating increase. Wasn't he a 74 last year before 2k knew anything about him? Now we know ALOT more, I am sure everyone saw his performance towards the end of the season and into the Eastern Conf Finals. I would appreciate at least an 80. I can name multiple players in the game that aren't nearly as talented and capable as him and they are rated over him. It is like 2k just copied his ratings from 2k8 and put them into 2k9. PLEASE help Insider. Thanks


well stuckey did show a little spark in the playoff but he doesnt deserve a ratings increase that 80's column. i would say between 74-78 but season he only average 7.6 points and in the playoffs he average 8.2 points. now if he does that spark again this season in regular games then 2k insider fa sho needs to increase rod ratings

[RapboY]

hope living rosters(tm) kick the **** out of dynamic dna(tm) :D

[CALIfranchise]

you're not rashidi! or are you?

[kcxiv]

http://www.2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185494

Considering how much the rest of the board gets away with, this is laughable.

Banning me would just be the icing on this forum's cake.
I really dont care who a person is on here. If i feel i have to moderate that person, I will do it. You are no different to me then the person that posted above you or me.

[kcxiv]

But he will be able to download the file and just make his updates from there.

lol?
Probably. I am sure he works in the 2K offices out in Novato. This is just me assuming. I dont actually know.

[Stizz]

Hello number two.

[Rashidi]

You are no different to me then the person that posted above you or me.

Obviously.

[freelimesforsale]

Insider, you gotta explain to me why Steve Nash averages way more turnovers than Chris Paul, yet his passing/ball handling/hands rating is still higher than CP3?

Especially when Paul averages more assists in the first place?

[projectskillz]

turnovers can come from MANY other things then just making bad passes SO looking at TURNOVERS is not a good indicator of PASSING/ BALL HANDLING / HANDS. It would require you to actually watch the game which most people dont do.

[Mr. Sig Shot]

Yall should have debuted this guy @ OS instead....I really cant believe how childish some are acting in this thread.....

[oOausarOo]

The concerns I have with this feature is are we going to see huge fluctuations in ratings? The changes can't be too drastic, but they also have to be significant enough.

It will be interesting. With this being the first year I expect problems with this feature, but it's a great idea. I think we are able to get a feature like this due to competition between NBA video games and that's a great thing for the consumer.

[projectskillz]

yup .... good for the consumer. But I think his changes should be as drastic as the real nba changes.

[2knut]

Hey guys,
I want to take this opportunity to introduce myself to everyone. I am the NBA 2K Insider and I will be the one managing the Living Rosters feature for NBA 2K9. With each roster update, you can read my comments by accessing the NBA 2K Insider feature from the main menu [Features --> NBA 2K Insider]. There I'll tell you who's hot and who's not under the Latest News header, which essentially highlights the changes made in the current downloadable roster. If Mike Dunleavy was a one season wonder and reverts to his Warriors days, I'll adjust his ratings accordingly. If Jermaine O'Neal's career is revitalized in Toronto, I'll be sure he gets the bump up in the appropriate attributes. Other content will include injury updates, lineup or rotation changes, trades and if new animations have been unlocked for a particular player. The Biggest Movers will list the players whose ratings have changed the most based on exceptionally good or bad play during the NBA season.

Another cool feature you'll want to check out is my website, which will go live in October. It will feature a blog which allows me to elaborate on player or team news, as well as let you guys post comments. This is where you'll want to let your thoughts be known during the season. I'm looking forward to reading what the community has to say.

More to come later.
Insider

who cares?:thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

[projectskillz]

We do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You beterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nickelzdropdimes]

come on 2knut is it really that serious?

when this game is released we'll all be up longer than "The House" tryna fix the economy(nerd joke).

i look forward to the extra we're getting

[Mr. Sig Shot]

childish lol

[leroyhk]

Ron said that the insider will answer some of our questions here, so where's he now? brought this introduction to us and then he disappeared?

[C.J.]

at the end of the day it's the insiders opinion on what should be done or it's rashidi's so if anybody is counting on 2 people to make decisions for them, then there is the real problem.

anyways i don't really see the big deal with the insider, nor the whole cover up. The game comes out soon enough so just chillout people. I won't hold the insider to a high standard of basketball knowledge because we don't even know who he is. Come out with a name then we can give him credibility. From the avatar I think it's either Scoop Jackson or Stephen A. Smith, but why would 2 distinguished journalists waste time updating a videogame??????

[Flya24]

Where's my post I just posted a couple of mins ago? This is rediculous!!

[oOausarOo]

yup .... good for the consumer. But I think his changes should be as drastic as the real nba changes.

The changes can't be too drastic. Just because a guy has a bad week shooting doesn't necessarily mean his mid or 3 rating should drop drastically. In some cases maybe it should, but in others maybe it shouldn't.

I expect a lot of mistakes as this is the first time they are doing it. There's going to be over and under compensation. I bet if LeBron has a bad week they aren't going to take him down nearly as much as weaker players. I bet the superstars are basically going to be untouchable with their ratings.

[Battousal]

i just hope it's better then last year... took forever for updates.....

[The NBA 2K Insider]

Thanks for all the welcome replies. I understand the mass disappointment for everyone and appreciate those who chose to look at the positive side. I was supposed to answer questions yesterday but as most of you know, the server was having issues. You guys have already asked a ton of questions, but I just wanted to touch on a few things.

No, I'm not Stephen A. Smith and I don't want to be. Honestly, I think he's one of the most annoying NBA writers on TV. And no, I'm not Ron either. Ron wishes he had the time to moderate the forums and edit player ratings!

Unfortunately the Living Rosters will not affect any Season or Franchise mode you already have in progress.

I know there are plenty of player ratings which could use some tuning. I also know that we won't all agree on who should be rated what. That said, the guys at 2K who know me can tell you that I'm open to editing a rating that is glaringly bad. I'm not talking about Kobe being rated a 99 but someone thinks he should be a 97 because he's a ball hog or whatever. More along the lines of Stuckey is a 74 in the shipped roster and you guys think he should be closer to 80.

Again, thanks to the guys who welcomed me. Sorry to the guys who hate me already. I'm cool with anyone who's on this forum giving 2K support. To me it means you haven't been brainwashed by the EA marketing machine. I'm looking forward to the coming NBA season!

Insider

[Mr. Sig Shot]

Thanks man,

please, please dont pay attention to all the childish replies in here.....most of us know you have nothing to do w\ a demo or anything...we know your here to help...

[cvandy25]

Thanks in advance! I am really looking forward to having you around this game. It should be a lot of fun. There will be some heated discussion about player ratings but that is what will make it interesting. I already agree with what you said about Stuckey, that boy can play, he should be closer to an 80 fo sho. Cant wait for the release and NBA training camps open up on Monday, hopefully another exciting season in the NBA and in NBA 2k9.

[projectskillz]

Cool man glad to have you. I hope you guys dont go by just stats but look at what goes on in the actual game. Stats are only part of the picture. Good Luck.

[J-H!zZl3]

Cool man glad to have you. I hope you guys dont go by just stats but look at what goes on in the actual game. Stats are only part of the picture. Good Luck.

:thumbsup:. You're definitely right about that. I hope he takes intangibles into account also.

[supercrazym]

2K insider how often will the rosters be up dated .

[The NBA 2K Insider]

Yes, I definitely look at potential, intangibles, etc and not just stats.

My bad on Stuckey guys. I know he can ball so his rating will be adjusted for the first roster update for launch.

[Smith146]

Also rookies who haven't even played a game yet and unproven players already have a higher rating than one of the most improved players last season... Ronnie Brewer. He deserves higher than the 74 I believe he received.

[2K Admin Ron]

Yes, I want to back-up Insider's apology about the nightmare that the server was going through last night. The intention, as I said, was to get him on here and let you pick his brain before his site opens and he gets completely bogged down by what he has to do. Yesterday made that impossible, but I have been told that the server maintainence helped us tremendously.

[TK-47]

Cool nice to see the insider on the forums.Need to adjust LeBron mid-range jay.

[buba]

Thanks and welcome 2k insider! By the way i am also new to this forum- but I was reading for a long time. I must admit that iam disappointed for the demo not coming up on Playstationstore yesterday, but **** it im not hatin b/c of that still looking forward till the game drops.

[Jerryd Bayless#0]

nice add to the 2k sharing and 2k insider can you bump up jerryd bayless speed,mid range 3pshots, and his handling he need to be at least a 81

[leroyhk]

2K insider how often will the rosters be up dated .
Yeah I also wanna know, for example injuries updates, after a player is reported as injured then how long should we wait to get the in-game injury update?

And really, I think updating the roster per week is too long, you know, live updates every single day. So insider please tell us what's your plan for living roster?

[Deron Williams 8]

Thanks for all the welcome replies. I understand the mass disappointment for everyone and appreciate those who chose to look at the positive side. I was supposed to answer questions yesterday but as most of you know, the server was having issues. You guys have already asked a ton of questions, but I just wanted to touch on a few things.

No, I'm not Stephen A. Smith and I don't want to be. Honestly, I think he's one of the most annoying NBA writers on TV. And no, I'm not Ron either. Ron wishes he had the time to moderate the forums and edit player ratings!

Unfortunately the Living Rosters will not affect any Season or Franchise mode you already have in progress.

I know there are plenty of player ratings which could use some tuning. I also know that we won't all agree on who should be rated what. That said, the guys at 2K who know me can tell you that I'm open to editing a rating that is glaringly bad. I'm not talking about Kobe being rated a 99 but someone thinks he should be a 97 because he's a ball hog or whatever. More along the lines of Stuckey is a 74 in the shipped roster and you guys think he should be closer to 80.

Again, thanks to the guys who welcomed me. Sorry to the guys who hate me already. I'm cool with anyone who's on this forum giving 2K support. To me it means you haven't been brainwashed by the EA marketing machine. I'm looking forward to the coming NBA season!

InsiderI agree, Stephen a Smith is terrible. He is extremely racist too.

[The NBA 2K Insider]

Agree with the Brewer comment. He should get bumped up. He had a torrid start to last season then cooled off. But at one point he was averaging over 3 steals per game.

[Future 23]

Welcome insider.. you're in for a long season.. best of luck to you..

[Deron Williams 8]

Could youbump up Deron Williams close range and midrange? He did shoot over 50% from the feild last year and he shouldnt be 5 overall less than cp3.

[The NBA 2K Insider]

We won't be doing daily updates like Live. We want to allow for trends to happen and not adjust ratings based on one game. Trades, injuries or other big news will be good reasons to push out another update. So as we've been saying here, updates will happen "as needed".

[ddscott31]

The NBA 2K Insider..do you think Dwayne wade is underrated in this game or if not, could you explain why......I think Dwade should be at least a 95 just for his performance at the Olympics

[Ishmael From Ova Da Hill]

Yes, I definitely look at potential, intangibles, etc and not just stats.

My bad on Stuckey guys. I know he can ball so his rating will be adjusted for the first roster update for launch.

What exactly would you be raising on him when you make these changes? You won't be just raising attributes to raise his overall, right? His 3-pt and awareness ratings could use a little boost, but nothing too big...everything else seems about right.

I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that Stuckey was a SG last year in 2k8, if you change most Shooting Guards to Point Guards their overall rating usually goes down by 2-3 points. I'm pretty sure if you put Stuckey at SG this year, his rating would end up 76-77...that's if that formula or whatever for calculating overall rating's hasn't changed this year.

[prolyfic]

Glad to see you on the forum and am glad to see you keep your cool through the immaturity.
When Leagues get started obviously any change to a roster would not happen but would an ongoing league also lose out on a possible rating bump or dip.

Also if there are no moves that warrant a roster update, how often will we see roster updates with just rating or package changes.

[Rockafella2x]

Will you be making changes to players appearances accessory wise?

[:-)]

You need to do something about vujacic, he doesn't deserve more than a 72. I'd like to know who gave him an 80.

The whole knicks team needs another look, they're a bunch of bums but it has to do a lot more with their chemistry than their skills.

it would also be nice to know your favorite teams and players.

[ziggen]

You need to do something about vujacic, he doesn't deserve more than a 72. I'd like to know who gave him an 80.

The whole knicks team needs another look, they're a bunch of bums but it has to do a lot more with their chemistry than their skills.

it would also be nice to know your favorite teams and players.

The 2K insider is a

Lakers Fanboy !!

I guess we're gonna be seeing biased stats from here on.

[kilasteve]

2 k insider would you please fix tracy mcgradys rating it would be nice if you would do that

[Deron Williams 8]

2 k insider would you please fix tracy mcgradys rating it would be nice if you would do thatMcgrady is rated too high. Look ad his FG FT and 3pt % last year.( I also like McGrady) He just isnt his old self anymore. He needs to be injury free for a season.

[Detroitgamer]

change either paul pierce, chauncey billups, or andre iguadala sots cuz they all got the same shot in 2k8.

[The NBA 2K Insider]

I think what a lot of people are forgetting is that Stuckey was a SG last year in 2k8, if you change most Shooting Guards to Point Guards their overall rating usually goes down by 2-3 points. I'm pretty sure if you put Stuckey at SG this year, his rating would end up 76-77...that's if that formula or whatever for calculating overall rating's hasn't changed this year.

Correct. In fact, this is why Stuckey is underrated. Late in development, I changed Stuckey's primary position to PG which dropped his overall since the overalls are calculated per position.

[HhUt]

From what I imagine, I see you to be a reliable source for the games ratings. I don't ask anything from you other than to get the ratings to be substantial. Hope to see what you say and hope you don't get too nervous with all the people demanding this and that. Welcome.

[Deron Williams 8]

Billiups doesnt have the same shot as pierce or ai

[emelki1968]

Whats up insider these are some of the changes that need to be made to the NBA 2K9 ratings.

Thanks.
I hope you consider this.

76ers Andre Iguodala - Dunk 99 to 95
Blazers Steve Blake - 3pt 87 to 81
Blazers – Travis Outlaw 3pt 77 to 69
Bobcats Jason Richardson - Dunk 99 to 98
3pt 97 to 92
Bobcats Gerald Wallace - Dunk 99 to 94
3pt 80 to 74
Bucks Desmond Mason - Dunk 96 to 95
Bucks Joe Alexander - Dunk 96 to 93
Bucks Damon Jones - 3pt 92 to 88
Bucks Tyronn Lue - 3pt 87 to 77
Bucks Michael Redd - 3pt 89 to 93
Cavaliers Daniel Gibson - 3pt 95 to 90
Cavaliers LeBron James - Mid 85 to 78
3pt 82 to 80
Dnk 99 to 95
hndling 96 to 91
Blk 63 to 70
Spd 91 to 93
Celtics Paul Pierce – Mid 85 to 88
3pt 89 to 87
Celtics Ray Allen – Mid 90 to 89
Clippers Baron Davis - 3pt 93 to 86
Clippers Ricky Davis - 3pt 89 to 84
Grizzlies Rudy *** - 3pt 89 to 80
Grizzlies Antoine Walker – 3pt 85 to 75
Hawks Josh Smith – Dunk 99 to 97
Hawks Maurice Evans – 3pt 87 to 74
Hawks Joe Johnson - 3pt 88 to 89
Heat Chris Quinn - 3pt 89 to 75
Mid 85 to 77
Heat Marcus Banks - Mid 85 to 73
3pt 90 to 72
Heat James Jones - 3pt 95 to 83
Heat Daequan Cook - 3pt 92 to 77
Heat Shawn Marion – Mid 77 to 80
3pt 79 to 77
Spd 74 to 80
Hornets James Posey- Mid 83 to 79
3pt 87 to 83
Hornets Rasual Butler- Mid 83 to 77
3pt 86 to 81
Hornets Julian Wright- 3pt 78 to 72
Hornets Morris Peterson - 3pt 92 to 84
Hornets Peja Stojakovic - 3pt 99 to 95
Jazz Ronnie Price - 3pt 87 to 70
Jazz Morris Almond – Mid 80 to 75
3pt 89 to 65
Jazz C.J Miles –Mid 83 to 77
3pt 83 to 70
Kings Quincy Douby - 3pt 86 to 71
Kings Francisco Garcia – 3pt 89 to 79
Knicks Nate Robinson – 3pt 85 to 79


Lakers Kobe Bryant – Mid 87 to 90
3pt 89 to 84
Dunk 99 to 95
Spd 92 to 91
Lakers Lamar Odom - Mid 80 to 70
Lakers Coby Karl - Mid 76 to 70
3pt 81 to 68
Lakers Luke Walton – Mid 75 to 70
3pt 77 to 74
Lakers Sasha Vujacic – Mid 88 to 82
3pt 92 to 88
Lakers Trevor Ariza - 3pt 71 to 60
Lakers Jordan Farmar – Mid 81 to 77
3pt 86 to 78
Lakers Derek Fisher - 3pt 91 to 86
Magic Rashard Lewis - 3pt 96 to 91
Magic Keith Bogans - 3pt 89 to 78
Magic Courtney lee - 3pt 86 to 70
Magic Hedo Turkoglu - 3pt 91 to 88
Magic Jameer Nelson - 3pt 86 to 80
Mavericks Jason Kidd - Mid 78 to 73
3pt 84 to 77
Mavericks Gerald Green - Dunk 99 to 96
3pt 85 to 75
Nets Bobby Simmons – 3pt87 to81
Nets Jarvis Hayes – 3pt87 to 75
Nets Vince Carter - Dunk 92 to 99
Mid 83 to 87
Nuggets Allen Iverson – 3pt 83 to 79
Nuggets Carmelo Anthony – 3pt 82 to 73
Nuggets J.R Smith – Mid 88 to 86
3pt 96 to 86
Dunk 99 to 94
Pacers Mike Dunleavy - 3pt 94 to 86
Pacers Danny Granger - 3pt 95 to 85
Pistons Richard Hamilton - 3pt 86 to 79
Pistons Tayshaun Prince - BlK 56 to 65
Raptor Jose Calderon – 3pt 89 to 86
Raptors Jamario Moon - Vertical 87 to 97
Raptors Jason Kapono - 3pt 96 to 95
Rockets Tracy McGrady - Mid 78 to 88
3pt 80 to 83
Rockets Ron Artest - 3pt 86 to 79
Rockets Aaron Brooks - 3pt 86 to 78
Rockets Steve Francis - 3pt 84 to 75
Rockets Rafer Alston - 3pt 87 to 84
Rockets Brent Barry - 3pt 98 to 90
Mid 87 to 85
Spurs Manu Ginobili - 3pt 93 to 87
Spurs Michael Finley -3pt 90 to 85
Spurs Tony Parker –Lay up 89 to99
Suns Leandro Barbosa - Mid 88 to 79
3pt 92 to 89
Suns Raja Bell - Mid 88 to 74
3pt 96 to 90
Suns Steve Nash - 3pt 97 to 94
T’wolves Mike Miller - 3pt 95 to 90
T’wolves Randy Foye - 3pt 89 to 82
T’wolves Rashad McCants - 3pt 92 to 83
Warriors Corey Maggette - 3pt 83 to 77
Warriors Stephen Jackson - 3pt 92 to 87
Warriors Monta Ellis - Mid 90 to 87
Wizards Gilbert Arenas - 3pt 94 to 88
Wizards DeShawn Stevenson - 3pt 92 to 82

I hope 2kinsider don't read this, because it is the most random changes that I saw in a long time.
Welcome, and I hope to see changes -connected with reality- despite what the fanboys want.

[Detroitgamer]

Whats up insider these are some of the changes that need to be made to the NBA 2K9 ratings.

Thanks.
I hope you consider this.

76ers Andre Iguodala - Dunk 99 to 95
Blazers Steve Blake - 3pt 87 to 81
Blazers – Travis Outlaw 3pt 77 to 69
Bobcats Jason Richardson - Dunk 99 to 98
3pt 97 to 92
Bobcats Gerald Wallace - Dunk 99 to 94
3pt 80 to 74
Bucks Desmond Mason - Dunk 96 to 95
Bucks Joe Alexander - Dunk 96 to 93
Bucks Damon Jones - 3pt 92 to 88
Bucks Tyronn Lue - 3pt 87 to 77
Bucks Michael Redd - 3pt 89 to 93
Cavaliers Daniel Gibson - 3pt 95 to 90
Cavaliers LeBron James - Mid 85 to 78
3pt 82 to 80
Dnk 99 to 95
hndling 96 to 91
Blk 63 to 70
Spd 91 to 93
Celtics Paul Pierce – Mid 85 to 88
3pt 89 to 87
Celtics Ray Allen – Mid 90 to 89
Clippers Baron Davis - 3pt 93 to 86
Clippers Ricky Davis - 3pt 89 to 84
Grizzlies Rudy *** - 3pt 89 to 80
Grizzlies Antoine Walker – 3pt 85 to 75
Hawks Josh Smith – Dunk 99 to 97
Hawks Maurice Evans – 3pt 87 to 74
Hawks Joe Johnson - 3pt 88 to 89
Heat Chris Quinn - 3pt 89 to 75
Mid 85 to 77
Heat Marcus Banks - Mid 85 to 73
3pt 90 to 72
Heat James Jones - 3pt 95 to 83
Heat Daequan Cook - 3pt 92 to 77
Heat Shawn Marion – Mid 77 to 80
3pt 79 to 77
Spd 74 to 80
Hornets James Posey- Mid 83 to 79
3pt 87 to 83
Hornets Rasual Butler- Mid 83 to 77
3pt 86 to 81
Hornets Julian Wright- 3pt 78 to 72
Hornets Morris Peterson - 3pt 92 to 84
Hornets Peja Stojakovic - 3pt 99 to 95
Jazz Ronnie Price - 3pt 87 to 70
Jazz Morris Almond – Mid 80 to 75
3pt 89 to 65
Jazz C.J Miles –Mid 83 to 77
3pt 83 to 70
Kings Quincy Douby - 3pt 86 to 71
Kings Francisco Garcia – 3pt 89 to 79
Knicks Nate Robinson – 3pt 85 to 79


Lakers Kobe Bryant – Mid 87 to 90
3pt 89 to 84
Dunk 99 to 95
Spd 92 to 91
Lakers Lamar Odom - Mid 80 to 70
Lakers Coby Karl - Mid 76 to 70
3pt 81 to 68
Lakers Luke Walton – Mid 75 to 70
3pt 77 to 74
Lakers Sasha Vujacic – Mid 88 to 82
3pt 92 to 88
Lakers Trevor Ariza - 3pt 71 to 60
Lakers Jordan Farmar – Mid 81 to 77
3pt 86 to 78
Lakers Derek Fisher - 3pt 91 to 86
Magic Rashard Lewis - 3pt 96 to 91
Magic Keith Bogans - 3pt 89 to 78
Magic Courtney lee - 3pt 86 to 70
Magic Hedo Turkoglu - 3pt 91 to 88
Magic Jameer Nelson - 3pt 86 to 80
Mavericks Jason Kidd - Mid 78 to 73
3pt 84 to 77
Mavericks Gerald Green - Dunk 99 to 96
3pt 85 to 75
Nets Bobby Simmons – 3pt87 to81
Nets Jarvis Hayes – 3pt87 to 75
Nets Vince Carter - Dunk 92 to 99
Mid 83 to 87
Nuggets Allen Iverson – 3pt 83 to 79
Nuggets Carmelo Anthony – 3pt 82 to 73
Nuggets J.R Smith – Mid 88 to 86
3pt 96 to 86
Dunk 99 to 94
Pacers Mike Dunleavy - 3pt 94 to 86
Pacers Danny Granger - 3pt 95 to 85
Pistons Richard Hamilton - 3pt 86 to 79
Pistons Tayshaun Prince - BlK 56 to 65
Raptor Jose Calderon – 3pt 89 to 86
Raptors Jamario Moon - Vertical 87 to 97
Raptors Jason Kapono - 3pt 96 to 95
Rockets Tracy McGrady - Mid 78 to 88
3pt 80 to 83
Rockets Ron Artest - 3pt 86 to 79
Rockets Aaron Brooks - 3pt 86 to 78
Rockets Steve Francis - 3pt 84 to 75
Rockets Rafer Alston - 3pt 87 to 84
Rockets Brent Barry - 3pt 98 to 90
Mid 87 to 85
Spurs Manu Ginobili - 3pt 93 to 87
Spurs Michael Finley -3pt 90 to 85
Spurs Tony Parker –Lay up 89 to99
Suns Leandro Barbosa - Mid 88 to 79
3pt 92 to 89
Suns Raja Bell - Mid 88 to 74
3pt 96 to 90
Suns Steve Nash - 3pt 97 to 94
T’wolves Mike Miller - 3pt 95 to 90
T’wolves Randy Foye - 3pt 89 to 82
T’wolves Rashad McCants - 3pt 92 to 83
Warriors Corey Maggette - 3pt 83 to 77
Warriors Stephen Jackson - 3pt 92 to 87
Warriors Monta Ellis - Mid 90 to 87
Wizards Gilbert Arenas - 3pt 94 to 88
Wizards DeShawn Stevenson - 3pt 92 to 82


wow, u need to get a frikin life.

[projectskillz]

guys like this make the game more fun

[:-)]

Do you know if there will be an option to put up edited draft classes on 2k share?
From what i've seen in the videos it looks like you have to fix it every time you go into association

[Deron Williams 8]

wow, u need to get a frikin life.I like how he wants J.Johnsons 3 to go from 88 to 89. lol.... 1 overall dif

[projectskillz]

wow, u need to get a frikin life.


Easy to smack someone down for doing something they enjoy isnt it

[Future 23]

Insider - how often will you be on the forums.. will there be scheduled times or will you just be on here randomly?

[Rashidi]

Dear 2K Insider

What is your explanation regarding the changes to 3PT and Post Offense ratings across the board? If the game mechanics regarding these ratings are the same as last year's it's going to lead to many gameplay imbalances, and we could see a return to 3pt chucking and a further erasure of the mid-range game as we saw in NBA 2K4.

Monta Ellis never posts up yet he has the highest post rating of any PG. LeBron never posts up yet he has the highest post rating of any SF. Quentin Richardson posts up as (in)frequently and he is reduced to 50. Etc.

Love Rashidi

[and1product]

I want a realistic game too with accurate ratings, but ppl take it too far. That joe johnson 88-89 boost was funny.

They end up readjusting their whole nba lineup through out the whole year, they forget to play the game. Don't get me wrong, I like to edit too but I mean, just sitting there looking at all 450 players everyday till 2k10 comes out is crazy.

[Future 23]

Dear 2K Insider

What is your explanation regarding the changes to 3PT and Post Offense ratings across the board? If the game mechanics regarding these ratings are the same as last year's it's going to lead to many gameplay imbalances, and we could see a return to 3pt chucking and a further erasure of the mid-range game as we saw in NBA 2K4.

Monta Ellis never posts up yet he has the highest post rating of any PG. LeBron never posts up yet he has the highest post rating of any SF. Quentin Richardson posts up as (in)frequently and he is reduced to 50. Etc.

Love Rashidi

Love Rashidi... ??

sad sad man.. why so bitter?

[Rockafella2x]

Yea will you be operating more from here or from your blog? and once again will it be solely rating changes or will accessories be changed also?

[smokez4dayz]

this guy only had one change to the knicks and thats to downgrade Nate. lmao. Hey Insider, you gotta fix the knicks anyway. their talent level is higher than the ratings I've seen, Marbury will probably have to prove he's a top 7 pg, no problem, he looks in great shape, fast, now weighs 189 lbs, his lowest since high school. Plus New York is still the mecca of basketball, and I'm sure any good things happening to everyones beloved Knicks will be reflected in 2k, but I KNOW you'll get Marbury back to 84 like when he got traded to the Knicks, or even higher after you see him in a few preseason games, no matter what team he plays for. Just don't blame the knicks players for Isiah, he's gone, and D'antoni's style shoud be reflected on my Knicks. thats all for now

[Future 23]

I want a realistic game too with accurate ratings, but ppl take it too far. That joe johnson 88-89 boost was funny.

They end up readjusting their whole nba lineup through out the whole year, they forget to play the game. Don't get me wrong, I like to edit too but I mean, just sitting there looking at all 450 players everyday till 2k10 comes out is crazy.

exactly... i mean i am still bitter about DJ Mbenga's block rating being so low.. :D

[:-)]

this guy only had one change to the knicks and thats to downgrade Nate. lmao. Hey Insider, you gotta fix the knicks anyway. their talent level is higher than the ratings I've seen, Marbury will probably have to prove he's a top 7 pg, no problem, he looks in great shape, fast, now weighs 189 lbs, his lowest since high school. Plus New York is still the mecca of basketball, and I'm sure any good things happening to everyones beloved Knicks will be reflected in 2k, but I KNOW you'll get Marbury back to 84 like when he got traded to the Knicks, or even higher after you see him in a few preseason games, no matter what team he plays for. Just don't blame the knicks players for Isiah, he's gone, and D'antoni's style shoud be reflected on my Knicks. thats all for now
As a knicks fan i think his rating should be lower, not higher. he hasn't done anything the past 2 years other than going out of his way to prove how stupid he really is.

It looks like chandler might start and he had a good SL so i'd consider getting his rating up.
Curry at 74 is a joke, he doesn't do much more than score in the post but he's still better than ratliff and most of the other bench warmer bigs that are rated higher than him.
Crawford has his bright spots.

[oOausarOo]

Has the The NBA 2K Insider addressed why LeBron James' post game and mid range are rated so high?

If it's a marketing decision I guess I can understand, but basketball-wise it makes no sense. He's not a good mid range shooter and has very little post game to speak of.

[Jerryd Bayless#0]

I think Jamal crawford need a higher rating like come on now he prove that last year only thing wrong with him that he is reckless

[KingTuT was a Cubs fan]

I believe that there can be a few changes on the Bulls roster. First of all, Thabo Sefolosha should be higher than a 73. He was a high draft pick and has shown flashes of being a good guard. He should be 78-79 IMO. Also Deng should be 86-87.

[Detroitgamer]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! stop the nonsense!

[smokez4dayz]

Dear 2K Insider

Monta Ellis never posts up yet he has the highest post rating of any PG. LeBron never posts up yet he has the highest post rating of any SF. Quentin Richardson posts up as (in)frequently and he is reduced to 50. Etc.

Love Rashidi
Superstars and West Coast players get overrated. West Coast games are seen, but rarely seen to the degree of eastern conference games as far as national media coverage, therefore highlight reels and print of some 121-108 scorefest gives some of these guys on the west coast "stat line" boosts. No, Monta Ellis shouldn't have any post up. Lebron was posting up, In the Olympics, not in an NBA uniform.
Superstars in general get overblown stats, and I get that, but when Jason Kidd still has 99 pass when they clearly struggled and faded out the playoffs with kidd on the bench and the coach fired, can't we see if he still at that level?
As I posted earlier, the Knicks seem to have felt your wraith the most, granted these guys are being rated partly on their stat line from last season, but their personal attributes seem to have taken and 'Isiah' hit. Thats not fair. Not one Knicks player has any defensive attribute higher than a D-, basically holding the players responsible for Isiah's lack of coaching.

[ROSE2DABULLZ]

I agree Thabo should be a little higher, maybe not that high though..he is a heck of a defender..i would make drew gooden better also, he had really nice stats after joining the bulls last year..to go along with that larry hughes should not be that high

[ROSE2DABULLZ]

some ratings changes i would make right away is chalmers at 79 is a joke, he hit one big shot and he gets a 79?! come on..and beno udrih of the kings i definitely think should be higher than 76, probably around a 82, the guy was a pretty good player for them last year

[Future 23]

yea i agree about gooden.. he was like a 73 last year.. way too low.. he is a good rebounder and decent defender and scorer down low

[ROSE2DABULLZ]

andre miller for sure also should be at least an 85, he was the sixers best player in the playoffs

[oOausarOo]

Don't get me started on Jason Kidd. That has to be a marketing thing, there is no other logical explanation for the ratings I've see of him.

[smokez4dayz]

[QUOTE=:-)]As a knicks fan i think his rating should be lower, not higher. he hasn't done anything the past 2 years other than going out of his way to prove how stupid he really is.

Look, I agree with any knick fan that thinks marbury should leave if he's not gonna play at that high level he played at when he first got here, but from a pure player stand point, Marbury is by a large margin the best player on the knicks. Its not about potential, or once in a while, or if he got more minutes, like these other players on the knicks with their millions of excuses...Marbury, whether you like or not, was missed, when he left we only won 8 more games for the season, think about that. Marbury has had the 50 point games, the 17 assist games, top5 in minutes played, he's done all of that, to let him go for nothing is stupid.

As for 2K, yeah alot of those Knicks stats need a review, In 2k8, I could have a 30 point night with Easy Eddy, I don't see that right now. Pick and Roll people!

[ROSE2DABULLZ]

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Don't get me started on Jason Kidd. That has to be a marketing thing, there is no other logical explanation for the ratings I've see of him.
kidd is pretty overated, he is too slow to be even decent at defense now..cp3 in the playoffs, "HE CANT GUARD ME!!!"

[kememsi]

- Jason Kidd being the Mavs best player needs to be changed.

- Please don't go crazy with Stuckey. Billups is still there to get the starting minutes. Even though he looked good in the playoffs look at his season stats. Even his 2nd half of the season stats are not impressive. Rate him high on potential or soemthing but those that think he deserves a 80 are overrating him.

- Radmanovich sucks on defense but rating him as the worst laker player tied with Coby Karl? Really? I know you guys love the Celtics but come on.

[I KuRuPT I]

Why is Dirk a 91? WTF?

Dirk is overrated and the most undeserving MVP winner, probably ever.

[Melo15AI3Nuggets]

so true dirk is rlly not that good 2 be considered an MVP n he was always over rated n he smells like sht

[youngholla]

Dirk is overrated and the most undeserving MVP winner, probably ever.

Umm, Dirk is soft in the playoffs, but Dirk is easily a top 10 if not top 5 shooter in the NBA. He is like 40% From 3, 88% from FT. H is 20 and 10. And the year he got the regular season MVP, he was the best player, that SEASON, not the playoffs lol.

And he's like a 9 time allstar, so I am not understanding what makes him overrated to you. His team gets over 60 wins a year. I mean if we equated what you do in the playoffs so closely to your overall rating, then T-Mac would have an 83 rating, and before last year so would KG.

Y'all smoking if you don' think Dirk is cold

Nash, ain't never did nothing in the playoffs and he NEVER made it to the finals, is Nash overrated??

[Flya24]

WElcome Insider. I don't have that much except Stuckey that was already discussed.

[tmacfan#1]

ok i kno im not da only one to fill like dis T-MAC should be at least a 97 he da reason dey won 22 games in a row for da past 2 years yall been playin him putin him at a 93 dats sum b.s but plz insider make him at least a 97 and so wat he didnt get out da first round look who dey had to face every time dey get in da playoffs dey always have to play one of da best teams so bump up tracy mcgrady for da true T-MAC fans thanks

[y2kenta]

Judging from the ratings that were posted on the SportsGamer website and the screenshots on OperationSports, I am really starting to getting this sad feeling that 2K is going to regress and be turned into a wild 3pt shooting/dunk-a-thon arcade game. Those ratings show that 2k9 may be "NBA Live-ish" in regard to guys just slanging up ridiculous shots and hitting them regardless of defense played against them.

NBA 2K8 already took steps toward being the truest simulation of NBA gameplay ever, but also regress with its ridiculous momentum factor that would cripple one team if the other team was on a run. 2K8 's ratings were pretty much spot on and were only tarnished when they updated last year and the Lakers (especially Bynum) were bumped up and none of the other players were modified at all.

My main complaints with this year's ratings are...

HORRIBLE 3PT RATINGS: There are tons of bloated shooting ratings but these 3 players SCREAM "cheese" when I saw them...

- Jason Richardson - 97??? Now I know he made the most 3s last year (243), but he took the most (599) and ONLY shot 40% (tied @ 21st in the NBA) - His rating should be between 86-90 at the most.
- JR Smith - 96??? No stats really support this...His rating should be between 83-85
- Lebron James - 82!!!! (Also 85 mid range) Doesn't he have enough attritbutes to run through defense like a 18 wheeler? Lebron is not a good jump shooter. Can he hit a jumper? Yes....Consistently night-in, night-out? No!!! Why would you guys give him a rating that's as good as shooters like Redd, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce, Turkoglu and others...


It would be better and apparently a little more accurate if you simply went back to ADDING 45 to the player's 3PT% from last year like in 2K7...

QUESTIONABLE OVERALL RATINGS: These are my arguments aside from my feelings of the atrocious ratings of Kobe/Lebron (rumored to be 101) and KG/Chris Paul's 99...

Ginobli (90) and Butler (91) > Joe Johnson (89), Redd (86), Igudola (87), Carter(89), guys that have been All-Stars or carry their teams or don't have a Duncan-Parker combo to ride with. Manu is real good (one of the best slashing SGs and decent shooter) but he does not handle the ball as well as Joe or Carter, he does not shot better than Redd or Joe and is not as versatile as Iggy, Carter, or Joe...

And Butler emerged as a great versatile player, but is also not as good as these guys offensively...However, one can make the arguement that Caron plays real good defense as well as scores ala Artest. But if you ever watched the Hawks, you'd know and respect Joe Johnson's ability to score, defend (the opponent's best guard), pass, handle make plays, and demand double teams nightly. How often are Caron and Manu double teamed?

Manu should be 87-89 overall
Caron should be 85-87 overall
Joe Johnson should be 90-92 overall
Vince Carter is actually rated OK after last season's drop-off
Redd should be 86-88 overall
Iggy should be 87-89 overall

[tmacfan#1]

Umm, Dirk is soft in the playoffs, but Dirk is easily a top 10 if not top 5 shooter in the NBA. He is like 40% From 3, 88% from FT. H is 20 and 10. And the year he got the regular season MVP, he was the best player, that SEASON, not the playoffs lol.

And he's like a 9 time allstar, so I am not understanding what makes him overrated to you. His team gets over 60 wins a year. I mean if we equated what you do in the playoffs so closely to your overall rating, then T-Mac would have an 83 rating, and before last year so would KG.

Y'all smoking if you don' think Dirk is cold

Nash, ain't never did nothing in the playoffs and he NEVER made it to the finals, is Nash overrated??

i fel u on dat dont just rate people at wat dey do in da playoffs rate dem just on how dey do overall

[I KuRuPT I]

Umm, Dirk is soft in the playoffs, but Dirk is easily a top 10 if not top 5 shooter in the NBA. He is like 40% From 3, 88% from FT. H is 20 and 10. And the year he got the regular season MVP, he was the best player, that SEASON, not the playoffs lol.

And he's like a 9 time allstar, so I am not understanding what makes him overrated to you. His team gets over 60 wins a year. I mean if we equated what you do in the playoffs so closely to your overall rating, then T-Mac would have an 83 rating, and before last year so would KG.

Y'all smoking if you don' think Dirk is cold

Nash, ain't never did nothing in the playoffs and he NEVER made it to the finals, is Nash overrated??

I agree with you when you say he is a top 10 shooter in the league. Top 5 I wouldn't even argue against because he is so tall that he can really get his shot off over anybody because the man defending him is ALWAYS smaller than him. Dirk is a great player, easily one of the best Euro players to ever come play here. But he lacks to much to ever even be considered in ANY MVP talks let alone be rated above a 91 (Which isn't a bad rating might I add). For being 7 feet tall he is weak and constantly gets boxed out by smaller men. His defense Im pretty sure I dont even need to go into any detail about. The man is not a leader in any way. He always seems to be the first to give up when his team starts to fall apart. And I believe the Mavs have won more than 60 games once. I could be wrong there. To be honest I dont even think he is the best all-around player on his team. I would say Josh Howard is better all-around. Offense, Defense, Rebounding, Steals, etc.

And yes, Nash is overrated as well. Look at what opposing point guards do against him? Sure he lights it up from 3, and runs an offense probably better than any other guard, but when you give it right back on the defensive end, just how valuable are you? All people look at nowadays are offensive statistics to make their judgement on a players overall value and stats are misleading. Agreed?

[Marc_Rez]

I agree with you when you say he is a top 10 shooter in the league. Top 5 I wouldn't even argue against because he is so tall that he can really get his shot off over anybody because the man defending him is ALWAYS smaller than him. Dirk is a great player, easily one of the best Euro players to ever come play here. But he lacks to much to ever even be considered in ANY MVP talks let alone be rated above a 91 (Which isn't a bad rating might I add). For being 7 feet tall he is weak and constantly gets boxed out by smaller men. His defense Im pretty sure I dont even need to go into any detail about. The man is not a leader in any way. He always seems to be the first to give up when his team starts to fall apart. And I believe the Mavs have won more than 60 games once. I could be wrong there. To be honest I dont even think he is the best all-around player on his team. I would say Josh Howard is better all-around. Offense, Defense, Rebounding, Steals, etc.

And yes, Nash is overrated as well. Look at what opposing point guards do against him? Sure he lights it up from 3, and runs an offense probably better than any other guard, but when you give it right back on the defensive end, just how valuable are you? All people look at nowadays are offensive statistics to make their judgement on a players overall value and stats are misleading. Agreed?


YO! Dont be talking bout Nash like that patna!

[Rashidi]

Look, I agree with any knick fan that thinks marbury should leave if he's not gonna play at that high level he played at when he first got here, but from a pure player stand point, Marbury is by a large margin the best player on the knicks. Its not about potential, or once in a while, or if he got more minutes, like these other players on the knicks with their millions of excuses...Marbury, whether you like or not, was missed, when he left we only won 8 more games for the season, think about that. Marbury has had the 50 point games, the 17 assist games, top5 in minutes played, he's done all of that, to let him go for nothing is stupid.


I just posted an entry on my blog regarding how the Knicks became such a terrible defensive team. It's probably worth a read for any Knick or NBA fan.


I honestly don't think Marbury is that good anymore. He is years removed from his 20/8 days and when watching him on the court he has lost a step. He's not able to blow by defenders like he used to and that is what has caused his game to fall apart. He was all about penetration and all of his assists come from either kick outs on his penetration, or pick and rolls (also another form of penetration). He is terrible in the fast break, and always has been, because he doesn't push the ball up court. Jason Kidd doesn't have the greatest foot speed but he does wonders for his teams in transition because he realizes that THE BALL TRAVELS FASTER THAN YOU DO.

Marbury is strictly a short-range passer. He's not a deadly accurate passer like Kidd or Nash, everything with him takes advantage of his speed and deception, not his court vision. You will rarely see him dump the ball to a player inside via a post entry pass, or throw a lob to another player. He's just not capable.

There's a reason the Nets and Suns excelled when Mabury was replaced. It would be the understatement to say K-Mart and Amare reaped the benefits of a pass-first PG that knew how to push tempo.

If Marbury has lost a step, not only does that make him a worse scorer, but it makes him even worse at setting his teammates up, because he's not geting the seperation needed to make his passes. He is averaging fewer points yet his assists have gone down, not up.

[I KuRuPT I]

YO! Dont be talking bout Nash like that patna!

Haha....I would say sorry....but your a Suns fan.

[2kballa4life]

I agree with you when you say he is a top 10 shooter in the league. Top 5 I wouldn't even argue against because he is so tall that he can really get his shot off over anybody because the man defending him is ALWAYS smaller than him. Dirk is a great player, easily one of the best Euro players to ever come play here. But he lacks to much to ever even be considered in ANY MVP talks let alone be rated above a 91 (Which isn't a bad rating might I add). For being 7 feet tall he is weak and constantly gets boxed out by smaller men. His defense Im pretty sure I dont even need to go into any detail about. The man is not a leader in any way. He always seems to be the first to give up when his team starts to fall apart. And I believe the Mavs have won more than 60 games once. I could be wrong there. To be honest I dont even think he is the best all-around player on his team. I would say Josh Howard is better all-around. Offense, Defense, Rebounding, Steals, etc.

And yes, Nash is overrated as well. Look at what opposing point guards do against him? Sure he lights it up from 3, and runs an offense probably better than any other guard, but when you give it right back on the defensive end, just how valuable are you? All people look at nowadays are offensive statistics to make their judgement on a players overall value and stats are misleading. Agreed?

Good post. I agree. Though, I like Dirk and Kidd together. :) I killed it in 2k8 with them.

[Mr.Clutch_Knicks12]

Thanks for all the welcome replies. I understand the mass disappointment for everyone and appreciate those who chose to look at the positive side. I was supposed to answer questions yesterday but as most of you know, the server was having issues. You guys have already asked a ton of questions, but I just wanted to touch on a few things.

No, I'm not Stephen A. Smith and I don't want to be. Honestly, I think he's one of the most annoying NBA writers on TV. And no, I'm not Ron either. Ron wishes he had the time to moderate the forums and edit player ratings!

Unfortunately the Living Rosters will not affect any Season or Franchise mode you already have in progress.

I know there are plenty of player ratings which could use some tuning. I also know that we won't all agree on who should be rated what. That said, the guys at 2K who know me can tell you that I'm open to editing a rating that is glaringly bad. I'm not talking about Kobe being rated a 99 but someone thinks he should be a 97 because he's a ball hog or whatever. More along the lines of Stuckey is a 74 in the shipped roster and you guys think he should be closer to 80.

Again, thanks to the guys who welcomed me. Sorry to the guys who hate me already. I'm cool with anyone who's on this forum giving 2K support. To me it means you haven't been brainwashed by the EA marketing machine. I'm looking forward to the coming NBA season!

Insider

Some of the posters on here are really rude...So, you know, don't pay them any attention.

[DMOBB29]

welcome cant wait to see the feature in working progress:lol:

[WhyamIsoGood]

hey 2k insider welcome the only real problems i have with the roster so far are j kidd a 92 he is old and def not a 92 anymore i would say mid 80s for j kidd the other problem is james poseys a 84 and kevin durant is a 83 theres no way poseys a better sf then KD can you plz address these when you do an update.

[FreshWun]

welcome cant wait to see the feature in working progress:lol:
lol welcome for you.

[Flya24]

^^^^ LOL


Hey 2k Insider, if a player like Lebron, Kobe .. or nyone got 99 does bad in the upcoming season, will you reduce his overall? You know Kobe is getting old, KG won't be as hungry as last year something like that.

[ROSE2DABULLZ]

Greetings Mr. Insider
These Are The Obvious Changes I Would Make to the Overall Ratings
Andre Miller-81- up to 86
Charlie Bell-79- down to 73
Drew Gooden-76- up to 82
Thabo Sefolosha-73-up to 76
Tyrus Thomas-73- up to 78
Sasha Pavolovic-71- up to 75
Anderson Varejo-71- up to 76
Al Thorton-77- up to 82
Marc Gasol-71- up to 78
Marvin Williams-75-up to 81
Alonzo Mourning-82-down to 72
Mario Chalmers-79-down to 73
James Posey-84-down to 80
Paul Millsap-77-up to 81
Ronnie Brewer-73-up to 79
Beno Udrih-76-up to 81
Jamal Crawford-80-up to 83
Jason Kidd-92-down to 86
Jason Terry-84-down to 80
Brook Lopez-74-up to 78
Linas Kleiza-76-up to 80
Jamal Tinsley-82-down to 77
Jarrett Jack-75-up to 79
Antonio McDyess-76-up to 79
Rodney Stuckey-74-up to 81
Jermaine Oneal-84-up to 87
T-mac-91-up to -95
Brent Barry-79-down to 75
Carl Landry-74-up to 78
Tony Parker-88-up to 93
Nick Collison-74-up to 78
Chris Wilcox-74-up to 78
Desmond Mason-72-up to 76
Marco Belineli-77-down to 73
Kelenna Azu.-73-up to 77

Thanks hope to get some feedback on what everyone thinks

[youngholla]

I never said Nash wasn't off da chain. He is the best point guard in the league still in my opinion, I simply asked is nash overrated because he has 1 more MVP award then Dirk and yes Nash leads his team, but Dallas gets 60+ wins too. And Josh Howard is not the best offensive player on Dallas, Dirk is. Josh Howard is good overall but he's getting to that Lamar Odom status, a player that has all this potential and athletic ability but never fully utilizes it.

Dirk can score when he wants, because he gets as many superstar foul calls as D Wade, or Kobe. Dirk will fall after he shoots LOL. Dirk is one of my top 5 favorite players, and yes I realize he is soft at times, BUT we learned a fellow European Gasol is weaker really. Dirk is not a leader, but you'll never see dirk not give you 20 points or more in a playoff game. Dirk being 91 is accurate.

And I firmly believe what you do the season before impacts who they vote for MVP the next year lol.

Not saying Dirk don't be tripping, but he's not overrated by no means. Now I love my dude Kidd to death, but KIDD is extremely overrated on this game. Still a great player, but his refusal to eve TRY to score should keep him out of the 90 range. He'll constantly have 4 points 11 rebounds 13 assists, and it's like damn dude, you 6'4" 220-230lbs, post up at least LOL

[eko718]

Dear 2K Insider,

You are going to be and have already been bombarded with numerous requests for rating changes. We all can appreciate the fact that you are open to adjusting ratings based on the feedback we may give you. However, considering that EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS BOARD and then some will have an opinion on what a player should be rated, what is your plan in bringing a sense of structure and order to how rating changes will be implemented? People often say this guy should be rated this or that, throwing out arbitrary numbers with no clue as to what the rating system is based off of and even worse, what the ACTUAL STATISTICAL production for that player is which is driving these ratings.

My request is twofold.

1. Can you give us a little information on the system you use to derive ratings for players in this game so we can have a better understanding before requesting changes and

2. Can you PLEASE establish a STANDARD by which rating change requests are presented?(ie: presenting statistics in conjunction with arguments) You will hear alot of "Chris Bosh should be 93 because Elton Brand is 92" type conversation regarding rating change requests, and those with these type request often lack the facts to back up the statement. My concern is that if you get to flexible in changing ratings because this guy or that guy is outraged, Living Rosters may become less appealing to many of us in that ratings will begin reflecting the plea of fanboys as opposed to hard facts, data and basketball knowledge.

Thank you for hearing me out, and thanks for an open mind.

[bizerk1]

Dear 2K Insider,

You are going to be and have already been bombarded with numerous requests for rating changes. We all can appreciate the fact that you are open to adjusting ratings based on the feedback we may give you. However, considering that EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS BOARD and then some will have an opinion on what a player should be rated, what is your plan in bringing a sense of structure and order to how rating changes will be implemented? People often say this guy should be rated this or that, throwing out arbitrary numbers with no clue as to what the rating system is based off of and even worse, what the ACTUAL STATISTICAL production for that player is which is driving these ratings.

My request is twofold.

1. Can you give us a little information on the system you use to derive ratings for players in this game so we can have a better understanding before requesting changes and

2. Can you PLEASE establish a STANDARD by which rating change requests are presented?(ie: presenting statistics in conjunction with arguments) You will hear alot of "Chris Bosh should be 93 because Elton Brand is 92" type conversation regarding rating change requests, and those with these type request often lack the facts to back up the statement. My concern is that if you get to flexible in changing ratings because this guy or that guy is outraged, Living Rosters may become less appealing to many of us in that ratings will begin reflecting the plea of fanboys as opposed to hard facts, data and basketball knowledge.

Thank you for hearing me out, and thanks for an open mind.

Excellent questions eko. everybody take this into consideration before you say to change this and that.

[Jet5195]

Greetings Mr. Insider
These Are The Obvious Changes I Would Make to the Overall Ratings
Andre Miller-81- up to 86
Marc Gasol-71- up to 78
Alonzo Mourning-82-down to 72
Mario Chalmers-79-down to 73
James Posey-84-down to 80
Jamal Crawford-80-up to 83
Jason Kidd-92-down to 86
Brook Lopez-74-up to 78
Jamal Tinsley-82-down to 77
Jarrett Jack-75-up to 79
Jermaine Oneal-84-up to 87
Brent Barry-79-down to 75
Carl Landry-74-up to 78
Nick Collison-74-up to 78
Chris Wilcox-74-up to 78
Marco Belineli-77-down to 73

Thanks hope to get some feedback on what everyone thinks

I agree wit these

[mikedeezy]

i also agree with these, marc gasol is really underrated

[ROSE2DABULLZ]

yeah i really liked what i saw of marc gasol's game in the olympics..the guy doesn't back down from anything!

[ChuckyFE]

We're going to be seeing Wilson Chandler have his 71 rating bumped up sometime this year. He had a similar season to Stuckey, their stats for 07-08 were close.

[bhhawks78]

I hope you had nothing to do with the original ratings.

Wish you were Rashidi.

[oOausarOo]

Dear 2K Insider,

Does marketing play a role in player ratings, especially with big named players?

What I mean by "marketing": Is a player ever given higher ratings because he is popular and casual basketball fans might want to use him, although 2k and everyone else knows he does not deserve those ratings based on his play currently?

Thank You

[Rashidi]

We're going to be seeing Wilson Chandler have his 71 rating bumped up sometime this year. He had a similar season to Stuckey, their stats for 07-08 were close.

Wilson Chandler per 36 mins
13.4 points
6.7 rebounds
1.7 assists
0.8 steals
0.8 blocks

Rodney Stuckey per 36 mins
14.5 points
4.3 rebounds
5.3 assists
1.6 steals
0.2 blocks

What?

Stuckey btw is not that underrated, I hope to god the 2k Insider isn't going to raise him to Jerryd Bayless levels. His shooting percentages are terrible. He outplayed Jameer Nelson. Not exactly accomplishment of the century.

Then again...

Stephon Marbury per 36 mins
14.9 points
2.6 rebounds
5.1 assists
0.9 steals
0.1 blocks

[Legendoflegends]

Rashidi, it seems like your only knowledge for basketball is numbers and stats. It's more than that though. You have to 'KNOW' basketball, not just numbers. Some player's play better depending on the scenario. For example, Maggette may avg. 25 a game in Don Nelson system, but does that means he's a 25 ppg or an all-star player? NO! And some player's like Ben Gordon would avg. 18 ppg in another system easily; You have to KNOW basketball, not rely on numbers. And I'm not convince that you actually KNOW basketball.

[oOausarOo]

Prorating a player's stats to 36 minutes is very misleading in my opinion. It does not necessarily mean they would average those numbers at all.

[projectskillz]

Rashidi, it seems like your only knowledge for basketball is numbers and stats. It's more than that though. You have to 'KNOW' basketball, not just numbers. Some player's play better depending on the scenario. For example, Maggette may avg. 25 a game in Don Nelso system, but does that means he's a 25 ppg or an all-star player? NO! And some player's like Ben Gordon would avg. 18 ppg in another system easily; You have to KNOW basketball, not rely on numbers. And I'm not convince that you actually KNOW basketball.


True that !!!but rashidi s methods are his and so you either like it or leave it.

If you dont think he knows basketball just dont use his ratings.

Lets not flame a guy for having passion about his hobby.

[projectskillz]

Prorating a player's stats to 36 minutes is very misleading in my opinion. It does not necessarily mean they would average those numbers at all.


This is 100 percent accurate statement prorating stats is very misleading BIG TIME

[Deron Williams 8]

its noy like rashidi doesnt know what he is talking about. he is right about a lot of stuff. he hit the marbury thing perfect.

[ChuckyFE]

Wilson Chandler per 36 mins
13.4 points
6.7 rebounds
1.7 assists
0.8 steals
0.8 blocks

Rodney Stuckey per 36 mins
14.5 points
4.3 rebounds
5.3 assists
1.6 steals
0.2 blocks

What?

Bravo, neglecting their TOTAL 07-08 regular season stats where they both averaged 19 minutes per game and Wilson was 43% FG and 30% 3pt while Stuckey was 40% FG and 19% 3pt. Also Chandler had better blocking and rebound while Stuckey had better assists and stealing. So yes, they are very close. In the very end of the season when Thomas actually started to play Chandler, he was busting teams for 15-20 points per game.

Plus on NBA.com, Stuckey's efficiency rating is only SLIGHTLY better than Chandler (only by 1 point) so my point still stands. They are very close. You can't neglect Chandler's stats just because he didn't have a post season like Stuckey did. I'm glad you're not the real 2k insider.

[BubbaTough]

I wish people would stop posting how they think the overall rating should change of various players. The only way to rate players is choose accurate scores for each individual stat, and let the overall rating be whatever the (ridiculous) formula makes it. So please, just post how the individual stats should be changed not just things like Player X is 74, and he rocks so he should be 82! Much better is: Player X rocks, please fix (3pt 74->82 inside shot 80->86, off awar 60->80) kind of stuff.

[Tri-State Killa]

You guys are over looking the fact that Stuckey played his best when it counted in the playoffs against real competion like the Celtics.

[ChuckyFE]

Stuckey shot 37% in the playoffs = fail. He played a bit more in the playoffs but his numbers didn't really inflate much at all from the playoffs.

Regular season / Playoffs (he played 3.4 minutes more per game in the playoffs than in regular season)
40% / 37% FG
19% / 28% 3pt
2.3 / 1.9 reb per game
2.8 / 3.4 assists per game
0.9 / 1.1 steals per game
0.1 / 0.1 blocks per game

Where exactly does his stats inflate significantly in the playoffs? Honestly, I don't see where at all. All I see is that he shot the ball about the same (worse FG, better 3pt), worse rebounding, half an assist more from 3.5 extra minutes on the floor, steals and blocks are the same.

[Mr.Clutch_Knicks12]

Are you guys comparing Wilson Chandler and Rodney Stuckey? Thats just silly, everybody knows that Wilson is better.

[Hotobu]

To re-post what I asked earlier since you are the "stats guy" and have your own website I think it would be a good idea (and I believe you owe it to us) to spell out a detailed synopsis of how you arrive at every rating category from the entirely empirical "FT%" down to the far less tangible "strength" .

*Assuming the leaked ratings were correct...

I'm wondering how a guy like Steve Nash has a 3pt rating of 97 (Hell the man shot 47% for the year so I can't really complain here), but Baron Davis (34%) gets a 93. Proportionally this makes no sense (The same can be said of ALOT more players).

Also how do you determine the Mid rating? According to your ratings, and comparing them to http://www.nba.com/hotspots/ the relation between Kobe Lebron and T-Mac is WAY off boardering on arbitrary.

Lastly not to sound like a Lebron hater, but it seems as if you felt compelled to equate him to Kobe's level (I say this not even being a fan of the latter). Do you seriously think he's the best posting SF in the league? According to your ratings he is.

[Tri-State Killa]

You guys are such stat w*****,they can be mis leading.Maybe you didnt watch the Celtics Pistons series but I did, and thats when Stuckey stepped up huge;stats wont tell you that.

[Hotobu]

Stuckey shot 37% in the playoffs = fail. He played a bit more in the playoffs but his numbers didn't really inflate much at all from the playoffs.

Regular season / Playoffs (he played 3.4 minutes more per game in the playoffs than in regular season)
40% / 37% FG
19% / 28% 3pt
2.3 / 1.9 reb per game
2.8 / 3.4 assists per game
0.9 / 1.1 steals per game
0.1 / 0.1 blocks per game

Where exactly does his stats inflate significantly in the playoffs? Honestly, I don't see where at all. All I see is that he shot the ball about the same (worse FG, better 3pt), worse rebounding, half an assist more from 3.5 extra minutes on the floor, steals and blocks are the same.

Well while I don't want to get too involved on a 3page long debate over two mediocre players I will say this.

You have to account for the fact that Stuckey was able to maintain, and overall improve his performance in a playoff setting. Regular season stats while important are still accumulated averages from playing lots of mediocre and bad teams. In the playoffs you 're playing quality opponents. So for him to maintain and improve actually is saying something.

[Rashidi]

Rashidi, it seems like your only knowledge for basketball is numbers and stats. It's more than that though. You have to 'KNOW' basketball, not just numbers. Some player's play better depending on the scenario. For example, Maggette may avg. 25 a game in Don Nelson system, but does that means he's a 25 ppg or an all-star player? NO! And some player's like Ben Gordon would avg. 18 ppg in another system easily; You have to KNOW basketball, not rely on numbers. And I'm not convince that you actually KNOW basketball.

Sir, you obviously know very little about me or my rating methods.

However it is fairly clear that you know far less about statistics than I do about basketball. There comes a point where RESULTS supercede talent.

According to Jamal Crawford, David Lee is drilling threes in Knicks practice. Does that mean I should boost Lee's 3pt rating by 20 points?

Corey Maggette was rated an 83 by me btw. He shares this rating with Grant Hill despite Maggs posting a superior ppg. Why don't you look at my ratings before you come to snap judgements about who I am or what I know?

[Tri-State Killa]

Well while I don't want to get too involved on a 3page long debate over two mediocre players I will say this.

You have to account for the fact that Stuckey was able to maintain, and overall improve his performance in a playoff setting. Regular season stats while important are still accumulated averages from playing lots of mediocre and bad teams. In the playoffs you 're playing quality opponents. So for him to maintain and improve actually is saying something.
Exactly what I was saying...Wilson Chandler has the ability to bust out and have a good year,if he gets the minutes in Dantoni's system.

[Rashidi]

Prorating a player's stats to 36 minutes is very misleading in my opinion. It does not necessarily mean they would average those numbers at all.

Nor is it pace adjusted, but that wasn't really the point either.

I just thought it was funny that a guard and a forward apparently posted "similar" statistics.

[Tri-State Killa]

Sir, you obviously know very little about me or my rating methods.

However it is fairly clear that you know far less about statistics than I do about basketball. There comes a point where RESULTS supercede talent.

According to Jamal Crawford, David Lee is drilling threes in Knicks practice. Does that mean I should boost Lee's 3pt rating by 20 points?

Corey Maggette was rated an 83 by me btw. He shares this rating with Grant Hill despite Maggs posting a superior ppg. Why don't you look at my ratings before you come to snap judgements about who I am or what I know?

Im just curious,why are you wasting your time with your own ratings and what not? Seems like you have too much free time on your hands.

[ChuckyFE]

You have to account for the fact that Stuckey was able to maintain, and overall improve his performance in a playoff setting. Regular season stats while important are still accumulated averages from playing lots of mediocre and bad teams. In the playoffs you 're playing quality opponents. So for him to maintain and improve actually is saying something.
But if you look at the stats, it clearly shows that he DIDN'T improve (I'll give him credit, he DID maintain... he didn't get worse). The only reason why some things improved was because of the extra 3-4 minutes per game he played. Look at the stats, there's no significant improvement.

Like I said, you can't neglect Wilson Chandler just because he didn't have a post season.

Last game that Knicks and Pistons played against each other, here are the stats for Stuckey and Chandler. Hey, Stuckey should have great stats here because they're playing the Knicks (23-59) and Chandler's stats should suck because the Knicks are playing such a great team. :rolleyes:


Wilson Chandler
19 points
8/9 FG
2/2 3pt
1/1 FT
9 rebounds
1 assist
3 blocks

Rodney Stuckey
12 points
4/14 FG
4/5 FT
4 rebounds
3 assists
2 steals

All I see is that Stuckey loves shooting the ball and sucks at it. Best shooting percentage I've seen from him is 40%.


I just thought it was funny that a guard and a forward apparently posted "similar" statistics.
Not JUST statistics, but also the efficiency rating. Which shows that they are close. Like I said earlier, of course a guard will get more assists and a forward would get more rebounds. I accounted for that and mentioned it earlier. Wilson Chandler, a bigger guy shooting the 3ball waaaaaay better.

[Rashidi]

Bravo, neglecting their TOTAL 07-08 regular season stats where they both averaged 19 minutes per game and Wilson was 43% FG and 30% 3pt while Stuckey was 40% FG and 19% 3pt. Also Chandler had better blocking and rebound while Stuckey had better assists and stealing. So yes, they are very close. In the very end of the season when Thomas actually started to play Chandler, he was busting teams for 15-20 points per game.

So basically the only thing in common is they both averaged the same amount of points. Gotcha.

Wilson Chandler = Rodney Stuckey = Keyon Dooling = Jarvis Hayes = James Posey = ad nauseum

Plus on NBA.com, Stuckey's efficiency rating is only SLIGHTLY better than Chandler (only by 1 point) so my point still stands.

EFF is a terribly flawed statistic that benefits frontcourt players as rebounds are easier to accumulate than assists and they typically shoot higher percentages from the field. They even handle the ball less which leads to fewer turnovers.

Let's look at a far more comprensive and respected stat like PER. (Looking at a respected

(15.0 = league average)
Keyon Dooling: 14.1 PER
Stephon Marbury: 13.8 PER (15.3 the year before)
Rodney Stuckey: 13.8 PER
Jarvis Hayes: 13.0 PER
James Posey: 12.0 PER
Wilson Chandler: 11.7 PER

If only Wilson Chandler defended half as well as Posey. Opposing SFs posted a 26.6! PER against Chandler. Posey? 13.1. (Stuckey's opposing PGs? 15.3 PER)

They are very close. You can't neglect Chandler's stats just because he didn't have a post season like Stuckey did. I'm glad you're not the real 2k insider.

You are looking at very simple statistics. To effectively rate NBA players you need to work at a much more advanced level than "this guy averaged same points as that guy".

EDIT: And seriously, if the best you've got is Chandler having a good line in a game that featured Detroit benching all their starters, all I can say is one can easily pull his worst games out of a hat too. Like his 2 point 1-6 excursion vs the D-League Heat. Or that final game of the season where the Celtics BENCH beat the Knicks starters.

[KINGSFAN23]

dam rashidi when someone says your wrong do u get mad and get all the info u can to prove him wrong gosh thats a lot of stuff lol

[ChuckyFE]

I'm sure Chandler will have a better season than Stuckey this year. It's only a matter of time now. We know which one is better, Isiah just screwed Chandler up with his inconsistent playing times and roles.

[Flya24]

I'm sure Chandler will have a better season than Stuckey this year. It's only a matter of time now.
Easier said than done.

[ChuckyFE]

Easier said than done.
Nah, my main point isn't that Chandler should be xx rating, my first post was simply stating that 2k Insider will be bumping Chandler's rating at SOME POINT during this season, he's easily going to improve. No doubt about it. Unless something MAJOR happens (i.e. injuries).

I'm just getting sick and tired of people saying Stuckey should be an 80, wah wah when Chandler played good too for his first inconsistent season, just like Stuckey. Neither were TOP rookie players but they both played (inconsistently) well for their first season.

[Kstat]

I'm sure Chandler will have a better season than Stuckey this year. It's only a matter of time now. We know which one is better, Isiah just screwed Chandler up with his inconsistent playing times and roles.

I'm sure Chandler will have better numbers.

It's very easy to put up numbers when you don't have to worry about winning games, or playing alongside TWO all-star guards....

It's called "empty stats." The Knicks are masters at it. (see 52 points, Crawford, Jamal).

I have this very sophisticated method to my ratings. I don't know if you've heard if it, it's called the "eye test." Anybody with two eyes can plainly see that Rodney Stuckey right now is on track to be much better than Wilson Chandler.

I'm sure Wilson's steal-to-shoelaces tied ratio is through the roof, as is his high fives per 48 minutes. Unfortunately, that doesn't (and shouldn't) mean anything to anybody.

[ChuckyFE]

It's called "empty stats." The Knicks are masters at it. (see 52 points, Crawford, Jamal).
Wow, you are so right. Someone scoring 52 points, hitting 16 shots STRAIGHT with Dwyane Wade (and defending CHAMPS) defending you is nothing. While it may have not meant a winning season, you can't call THAT performance in that game empty stats. I never mentioned anything about Crawford should be rated higher because of ONE game, nor did I with Chandler.

LOL @ you for saying Stuckey clearly has more potential than Chandler. Your eye test is flawed, you need some ****in' glasses. I advise you to set up an appointment with your optometrist ASAP. Playing alongside two all-stars only means Stuckey has more HELP than Chandler does. Chandler getting it done without the help.

[Rashidi]

Nah, my main point isn't that Chandler should be xx rating, my first post was simply stating that 2k Insider will be bumping Chandler's rating at SOME POINT during this season, he's easily going to improve. No doubt about it. Unless something MAJOR happens (i.e. injuries).

Or he just doesn't get PT. Again. This is the same roster as last year. Oh wait, except they replaced Balkman with a #6 pick they are probably higher on than Chandler.

When Chandler SHOWS improvement they'll boost him (maybe).

When Chandler played good too for his first inconsistent season, just like Stuckey. Neither were TOP rookie players but they both played (inconsistently) well for their first season.

Chandler played a whopping 35 games. His sample size is literally half of what Stuckey's is. He scored in double figures in only 11 of those games, and only three of them came against playoff teams. Two of those games were against Detroit and Orlando after both teams had solidified their playoff seed. The other was a game against Cleveland that saw LeBron torch him for 50/8/10

[funnydrcox14]

Dear 2K Insider

What is your explanation regarding the changes to 3PT and Post Offense ratings across the board? If the game mechanics regarding these ratings are the same as last year's it's going to lead to many gameplay imbalances, and we could see a return to 3pt chucking and a further erasure of the mid-range game as we saw in NBA 2K4.

Monta Ellis never posts up yet he has the highest post rating of any PG. LeBron never posts up yet he has the highest post rating of any SF. Quentin Richardson posts up as (in)frequently and he is reduced to 50. Etc.

Love Rashidi

This is why I'll be updating my rosters Rashidi-style once I get the game(He's on my friend's list as well BONUS!)

Anyway.

If it's true that Dirk is rated LOWER than Elton Brand I want to know why? Dirk Nowitzki has lead his team to the playoffs every year. Last time I remember Brand actually doing that was with a Maggette, Cassel team and they were the Seventh seed (I think). Last season, Dirk had a busted ankle this year and he still managed to average somewhere near 20 points a game. Moreover, Brand takes more jumpshots than Dirk, so I don't know where you are all getting the whole soft idea from.

To all the fanboys and 2k insider, isn't it better to gather facts and arrive at a conclusion rather than support a preconceived one?

[kcxiv]

Ratings are always subjective. No one has wrong or right ratings unless they are just blinded by being a fanboy.


Some times people agree with someone, sometimes they dont. I just hope this thread doesnt get out of hand.

[Rashidi]

Wow, you are so right. Someone scoring 52 points, hitting 16 shots STRAIGHT with Dwyane Wade (and defending CHAMPS) defending you is nothing. While it may have not meant a winning season, you can't call THAT performance in that game empty stats.

Calm down Knick homer. If Richard Jefferson torched the Heat for 50 you probably wouldn't blink.

Chandler getting it done without the help.

Did I mention the Knicks were 4-7 in those games Chandler scored double figures?

[Hypnotik2002]

I heard LBJ and Kobe are rated overall 101..i was watchin that bulls cavs vid and it seemed like everytime dood drove in with LBJ, no matter the defense, he got n and scored.. LBJ is a bad SOB but damn son. Thas why i hated playin cats on XBL if they picked the lakers or cavs, LBJ and Kobe get 80% of the teams points and win..****s *** sometimes.

[ChuckyFE]

Chandler played a whopping 35 games. His sample size is literally half of what Stuckey's is.
Thank you. This just shows what Wilson can accomplish in so many little games. He's had less games than Stuckey and is playing just as good. Thank you. Also proves my theory on how Isiah Thomas treated him with inconsistent roles and times.

The other was a game against Cleveland that saw LeBron torch him for 50/8/10
C'mon, arguably the best player in the league against a rookie. Not fair. Chandler's numbers in that game were far from bad. It's just that NO ONE on NY could stop Bron that night, he had it going on.

Did I mention the Knicks were 4-7 in those games Chandler scored double figures?
What were they without those games? 19/52 = 26.7% win not including those games. 4/7 = 36.3%. Looks like Knicks won more games when Chandler scores double figures rather than when he didn't.

You = fail.

[Jayizratedx]

This is why I'll be updating my rosters Rashidi-style once I get the game(He's on my friend's list as well BONUS!)

Anyway.

If it's true that Dirk is rated LOWER than Elton Brand I want to know why? Dirk Nowitzki has lead his team to the playoffs every year. Last time I remember Brand actually doing that was with a Maggette, Cassel team and they were the Seventh seed (I think). Last season, Dirk had a busted ankle this year and he still managed to average somewhere near 20 points a game. Moreover, Brand takes more jumpshots than Dirk, so I don't know where you are all getting the whole soft idea from.

To all the fanboys and 2k insider, isn't it better to gather facts and arrive at a conclusion rather than support a preconceived one?


Dirk being soft isnt an idea anymore lol...its a damn fact lol

maybe his overall dropped so low because they set his clutch rating to 0 lmao

anyways...are u kidding me? if were going off the past season how can you possibly say wilson chandler of the disastrous knicks is any better then Rodney Stuckey, the young player that solidified himself as a solid replacement in the future for all star Chauncey Billups. if you are even making this comparison your obviously a knick fanatic thats blinded


[quote]
Thank you. This just shows what Wilson can accomplish in so many little games. He's he had less games than Stuckey and is playing just as good. Thank you. Also proves my theory on how Isiah Thomas treated him with inconsistent roles and times.
[quote]

lol wow ...are u really serious about this argument? obviously the only thing this means is that stuckey proved he could consistantly provide his production throughout the course of the season. wilson chandler was brought fresh off the bench once in a while not having to put up with the tiring effects of a whole season.

we can make that argument back and forth all day. at the end of the day stuckey is a player getting minutes and getting production on a loaded pistons team. chandler is on a sad knicks team where its not that hard to be the main player. its easy for a bad player to get stats on a horrible team. i mean ****...remember ricky davis on the grizzlies? yea...

anyway you look at it chandler hasnt proven as much as stuckey

[Kstat]

Yep. Nobody on the knicks will ever be taken seriously unless they actually turn it into wins.

Wilson Chandler can pad his stats all he wants. Nobody will find it as meaningful as what Rodney Stuckey does in games that actually MATTER.

[ChuckyFE]

Wilson Chandler can pad his stats all he wants. Nobody will find it as meaningful as what Rodney Stuckey does in games that actually MATTER.
Stuckey got drafted to a winning team, that's all. They were already winning before Stuckey came along. Knicks were already losing before Chandler came along.

What does this have to do with how good Stuckey/Chandler is? What a horrible argument you put forth.

[Rashidi]

What were they without those games? 19/52 = 26.7% win not including those games. 4/7 = 36.3%. Looks like Knicks won more games when Chandler scores double figures rather than when he didn't.

Uh... YOU DO REALIZE HE ONLY SCORED DOUBLE FIGURES IN 1/3 OF HIS GAMES RIGHT???
They were 8-27 in the games he played.
They were 6-21 in games he played more than 10 minutes.
4-14 in games he played more than 20 minutes. ("Coincidentally" those 4 wins are all the double figure games. So they lost every time Chandler was not effective on offense.)

Tell me, in your own words: What did he "get done"?

Take the shades off. Stop acting like a fanboy and listen to yourself. You're trying to skewer statistics in your favor because... if Chandler weren't as good as you thought you'd break down and cry...? I never understood homerism.

Stephane Lasme averaged 5.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg, and 1.5 bpg in 15 games for the Heat. I guess by your logic he is almost as good as Chandler.

I'm a Knick fan too. I put all of that aside when I evaluate talent. Chandler's got potential but there are a handful of teams he'd be in the rotation for. He is basically Joe Alexander with a worse frame and basketball IQ.

[ChuckyFE]

anyway you look at it chandler hasnt proven as much as stuckey
Only because he got drafted onto a team that was ALREADY a contender.

These arguments are so retarded, seriously. Stuckey's better because his team wins games? That's not the point.

If you could trade for one of these people, who would you pick...?

Kobe Bryant (Lakers last season 20 wins, 62 losses)
Rodney Stuckey (Pistons last season 49 wins, 33 losses)

[Kstat]

Kobe Bryant (Lakers last season 20 wins, 62 losses)
Rodney Stuckey (Pistons last season 49 wins, 33 losses)


...Kobe is a scoring champion with 3 rings....

Chandler is a utility player that nobody outside of Knicks fanboys would take over Stuckey.