Center ratings are god awful

[Rashidi]

Player 2k9 - 2k8 (Diff)

Sixers
Dalembert 81 - 77 (+4)
Ratliff 75 - 71 (+4) (Played 28 games combined over last two years, and gets the same boost as Sammy?)

Blazers
Oden 83 - 80 (+3)
Przybilla 74 - 73 (+1) (Remind me again what Ratliff has done lately?)

Bobcats
Mohammed 74 - 73 (Beating a dead horse but, see afreakinbove)
Hollins 67 - N/A

Bucks
Bogut 79 - 76 (+3)
Gadzuric 72 - 70 (+2)
Elson 68 - 70 (-2)

Bulls
Noah 74 - 77 (-3) (First player changed from PF. Let's see if there are even five)
Gray 72 - N/A

Cavaliers
Ilgauskas 82 - 80 (+2)
D. Jones 72 - N/A (WHATT?T???? THIS GUY ISNT EVEN GONNA CRACK ORLANDO!)
Varejao 71 - 74 (-3) (No comment necessary, is there? Second changed from PF)

Celtics
Perkins 75 - 71 (+4)
G. Davis 66 - 66 (0) (changed from pf)
O'Bryant 64 - 64 (0)

Clippers
Camby 87 - 88 (-1)
Kaman 86 - 78 (+6) (Our biggest mover so far)
Skinner 69 - 69 (0)
Jordan 64 - N/A
P. Davis 63 - 63 (0)

Grizzlies
Milicic 71 - 72 (-1) (changed from pf)
M. Gasol 71 - N/A

Hawks
Horford 82 - 82 (changed from pf, 5th so far)
Pachulia 70 - 72 (-2)

Heat
Mourning 82 - 82 (0)
Blount 71 - 70 (+1) (just didn't have the year Ratliff did I suppose)

Hornets
Chandler 84 - 83 (+1)
Armstrong 68 - 69 (-1)
Marks 66 - 66 (0)

Jazz
Okur 80 - 83 (-3) (YOU SUCK OKUR.)
Koufas 73 - N/A
Fesenko 62 - 62 (0)
Collins 61 - 65 (-4)

Kings
Miller 78 - 77 (+1)
Hawes 75 - 73 (+2)
Moore 70 - 70 (0) (Yeah Mikki! Start the whole year at PF and get zilch recognition Yeah Mikki Yeah Mikki!)

Knicks
Curry 75 - 80 (-5) (LMAO. The biggest drop so far)
James 60 - 60 (0)

Lakers
Bynum 86 - 84/71 (+2/15) (Already improved in 2k8's all-star break update so not a true jump)
Mihm 72 - 72 (Missed most of the season. Surprisingly, did not jump 3-4 overall points)

Magic
Howard 93 - 95/91 (-2/+2) (This one is funny because 2k still isn't sure what they're doing here, and also has one very fatal flaw that I'll detail later)
Foyle - 71 - 69 (+2) (Well this was unexpected.)
Battie 66 - 66 (Yet another year where they didn't touch his ratings. He's had 50 close and 52 med since 2k3. That's gotta be a world record for laziness. I don't give a damn if he missed the whole year, that worked wonders for other players)

Mavericks
Dampier 76 - 71 (+5) (Bout time.)
Diop 73 - 71 (+2)

Nets
Lopez 74 - N/A (Somehow rated worse than his less talented brother)
Boone 71 - 68 (+3) (Another PF switch)

Nuggets
Hunter 72 - 72 (0)

Pacers
Nesterovic 75 - 72 (+3)
Hibbert 72 - N/A
Foster 70 - 70 (Pacer fans everywhere spit on you 2k)

Rockets
Ming 94 - 92 (+2) (This one made me laugh a little)

Spurs
K. Thomas 80 - 76 (+4) (Four years too late.)
Oberto 74 - 73 (+1) (A PF switch)

Suns
O'Neal 84 - 87 (-3)
Lopez 75 - N/A (Yeah, a top 25 center. I can actually believe that over Theo Ratliff though)

Thunder
Petro 69 - 65 (+4) (Finally, the starter isn't the 4th worst on the team)
Sene 66 - 66 (0)
Swift 66 - 66 (0) (Here's a fun exercise - count all the Cs rated in the 60s and then count how many were actually edited)

T'Wolves
Booth 64 - 64 (Like I was saying. I think 2k has contractual obligations to not touch these guys ever)
Collins 62 - 68 (-6) (Haha someone who dropped more than Curry finally. Another ex-PF btw)

Warriors
Biedrins 81 - 80 (+1)

Wizards
Haywood 75 - 72 (+3)
Thomas 75 - 75 (0)
McGee 66 - N/A

Unfortunately because Magloire was a FA we don't know his ratings. He was a 78! in 2k8. Any guesses on his 2k9 rating?

[mcgradybunch]

Player 2k9 - 2k8 (Diff)



Magic
Howard 93 - 95/91 (-2/+2) (This one is funny because 2k still isn't sure what they're doing here, and also has one very fatal flaw that I'll detail later)
Foyle - 71 - 69 (+2) (Well this was unexpected.)
Battie 66 - 66 (Yet another year where they didn't touch his ratings. He's had 50 close and 52 med since 2k3. That's gotta be a world record for laziness. I don't give a damn if he missed the whole year, that worked wonders for other players)


pls give me your complete howard rating..btw..tony battie IS A DESCENT MID RANGE SHOOTER...52 MID IS JUST...NVM...DONT WANNA GET BANNED,,LOL

[Rashidi]

Dwight Howard changes from 2k8

Dwight Howard
Overall 93 – 95 (-2)
Close 92 – 99 (-7)
Med 63 – 71 (-8)
3pt 50 - 50 (0)
FT 58 – 59 (-1)
Off Dribble 68 – 56 (+12)
In Traffic 93 – 84 (+9)
Layup 86 - 69 (+17)
Dunk 99 - 89 (+10)
Handle 70 - 67 (+3)
Pass 56 - 57 (-1)
Hands 88 – 88 (0)
PostOff 96 – 96 (0)
PostDef 93 – 93 (0)
Ball Defense 67 – 67 (0)
Block 86 – 91 (-5)
Steal 63 – 63 (0)
Hustle 84 – 84 (0)
RebOff 94 – 95 (-1)
RebDef 99 – 95 (+4)
Speed 69 – 67 (+2)
Quickness 68 – 66 (+2)
Strength 93 – 93 (0)
Vertical 92 – 86 (+6)
DefAwr 86 – 86 (0)
OffAwr 82 – 79 (+3)

It is quite clear and convincing that 2k has absolutely no clue what their own layup rating does if they gave Howard a higher rating than 90% of all guards. Tony Parker is an 89 layup this year, for those keeping track of such absurdity at home.

But it gets better

Top 10 Center Layup
86 Howard
72 Noah
71 E. Curry
70 Horford
69 Chandler
69 Biedrins
69 K. Brown
68 Bogut
68 Mourning
68 R. Hollins
68 G. Davis

Yeah, it's that bad.

[lcahmed]

maglore=76

[mcgradybunch]

Dwight Howard changes from 2k8



Top 10 Center Layup
86 Howard
72 Noah
71 E. Curry
70 Horford
69 Chandler
69 Biedrins
69 K. Brown
68 Bogut
68 Mourning
68 R. Hollins
68 G. Davis

Yeah, it's that bad.

holy sh.....thats bad...and btw..u think dwight deserves his post ratings?

[h0merg0mez]

And why do we care about all the past 2K games when looking at 2k9? Just wondering...

[lcahmed]

just to compare how they have improved, what steps they have taken, because alot of 2k9 is from 2k8.............. i thought that was a given.

[mcgradybunch]

rashidi, u said yao being 94 made u laugh...why

[teebone21]

94 my son 94 :-)

[mcgradybunch]

What it do teeeee booone

[teebone21]

waiting on this demo to drop since i have nothing to do tomorrow

[mcgradybunch]

READY FOR WAR??

Orlando Magic:
PG- Jameer Nelson
SG-Micheal Pietrus
SF-Hedo Turkoglu
PF-Rashard Lewis
C-Dwight Howard

vs.


Houston Rockets:
PG-Rafer Alston
SG-Tracy McGrady
SF-Ron Artest
PF-Luis Scola
C-Yao Ming



THE RIVALRY CONTINUES..........

[teebone21]

after 2 days of practice i will be ready. I have to learn the new isomotion contols, post moves, and shotstick defense. Tmac will have to play his heart out considering his midrange is 79 and his 3 pointer is 80.

[kukikuki]

Kaman is an 86? LOL. That big sloth is rated the same as Andrew "the beast" Bynum? Are you kidding me? If Kaman is 86, Bynum should be rated 172.

[mcgradybunch]

yeah same here...i gotta learn post moves/iso motion..

and....

itll be easier to run plays since u dont hve to step on the bullseye..

i got a 93,94 rated shooters on my team!! (hedo, shard)

[mcgradybunch]

Chris Kaman
15.7ppg
12.7rpg
2.8bpg
48.3%

vs.

Andrew Bynum
13.1 ppg
10.2 rpg
2.1 bpg
63.6%

verdict: Chris kaman deserves his 86

[JHova1982]

well the center position is the weakest aspect in NBA today. the game is getting faster and with the height and weight of center they are basically rebounders. its sad but its the truth

[NorcalBalla23]

Wow rashidi you sure do spend lotta time on this. I gotta say you are a bit obsessed But your great at tracking the ratings. Hopefully you become the 2ksider brah!

[mcgradybunch]

Wow rashidi you sure do spend lotta time on this. I gotta say you are a bit obsessed But your great at tracking the ratings. Hopefully you become the 2ksider brah!


thats what im sayin..dude KNOWS HIS SH I . man..for reals...im talking about every player...from yao to tony battie...lol

[Rashidi]

rashidi, u said yao being 94 made u laugh...why

Yao Ming
Overall 94 – 92 (+2)
Close 94 – 99 (-5)
Med 81 – 79 (+2) (He isn't any better than Al Jefferson from here)
3pt 50 - 59 (-9)
FT 85 – 86 (-1)
Off Dribble 66 – 68 (-2)
In Traffic 90 – 95 (-5)
Layup 66 - 50 (+16)
Dunk 65 - 63 (+2)
Handle 60 - 60 (0)
Pass 63 - 58 (+5)
Hands 88 – 88 (0)
PostOff 99 – 98 (+1) I didn't even see this one before!
PostDef 93 – 90 (+3)
Ball Defense 50 – 50 (0)
Block 84 – 84 (0)
Steal 54 – 53 (+1)
Hustle 70 – 84 (0)
RebOff 86 – 76 (+10)
RebDef 90 – 93 (-3)
Speed 50 – 50 (0)
Quickness 50 – 50 (0)
Strength 72 – 72 (0)
Vertical 50 – 50 (0)
DefAwr 85 – 82 (+3)
OffAwr 92 – 89 (+3) These are absurd when compared to Howard

[NorcalBalla23]

thats what im sayin..dude KNOWS HIS SH I . man..for reals...im talking about every player...from yao to tony battie...lol

Yeah IMO he's right about Yao. He was playing at 94 level before he was injured IMO but he should be 91-92 after. He has to prove this coming season that he's a 94 calibur. And with the 2k insider it should happen alot sooner!:dance:

[mcgradybunch]

wow, good stuff bro...ur da man.......cant wait to download your rosters

[mcgradybunch]

yeah he was playin at a 94 before he got hurt..he and tmac were carryin that team to that streak...that was fun to watch for real

[sanders85]

Maybe 2k anticipated Brand making the other bigs better :)

[kilasteve]

brook lopez 74 what :(

[mcgradybunch]

ok i know dwights my favorite player..i dont think he deserves his 96 post rating...WAYYYYYYYY OVERRATED IMO..

[Rashidi]

brook lopez 74 what :(

Look on the bright side. He is 2 points better than Dwayne Jones LOL

Josh Boone can't say the same

[kilasteve]

okay so they say robin Lopez is better then brook come on 2k look what brook did in college last year he was a beast

[Rashidi]

ok i know dwights my favorite player..i dont think he deserves his 96 post rating...WAYYYYYYYY OVERRATED IMO..

Are you kidding he posts up like twice a game! Clearly he is the Admiral to Yao's Dream!

[mcgradybunch]

YEAH thats what im saying...his opost should be like in the 80s dont u think..lower 80s may I add

[Rashidi]

okay so they say robin Lopez is better then brook come on 2k look what brook did in college last year he was a beast

Ooh, how could I forget.

THE ROOKIES
80 Rose (#21 PG)
83 Beasley (#15 PF)
82 Mayo (#20 SG)
76 Westbrook
80 Love (#18 PF)
76 Gallinari
78 Gordon
73 Alexander
77 Augustin
74 B. Lopez
78 Bayless (#25 PG)
74 Thompson
76 Rush
74 Randolph
75 R. Lopez (#25 C)
77 Speights (#24 PF)
72 Hibbert
66 McGee
74 Hickson
76 Anderson
76 Lee
73 Koufas
70 Batum
73 Arthur
74 White
74 Greene
69 Giddens
68 Sharpe
79 Chalmers
64 Jordan
70 Mbah a Moute
73 Weaver
75 Douglas-Roberts
72 Singletary
74 Dragic
70 Walker
73 Hendrix
72 Taylor

Brook has a higher rating than 14 of the 28 players drafted after him. 8 of them were in the 2nd round. This for a projected top 6 pick. I just don't get how the consensus top center of the draft was somehow not. Mixing up Brook and Robin is the equivalent of mixing up Beasley and Love.

[Skrobes66]

Bynum is injury prone and overrated. Kaman deserves his rating.

[Golden-Nugget]

Are u going to do the same stuff with PFs?
This would be very interesting.

[Skrobes66]

HAs this been done for SG, SF also?

[Dresta]

Kaman is an 86? LOL. That big sloth is rated the same as Andrew "the beast" Bynum? Are you kidding me? If Kaman is 86, Bynum should be rated 172.
Kaman put up awesome numbers last season, if anything he should be rated higher then Bynum tbh.

[Ishmael From Ova Da Hill]

Player 2k9 - 2k8 (Diff)


Moore 70 - 70 (0) (Yeah Mikki! Start the whole year at PF and get zilch recognition Yeah Mikki Yeah Mikki!)



That from the Goonies?

That stuff with Battie is horrible. They've been doing that for years with certain players, some I think they fixed this year. I haven't checked the center ratings yet, but I'm guessing they left Booth's mid-range at 50?

[El_Duderino]

what?! howard lost sooo many points... i would rate him at 94...
he rebounds more und offensivly he'll be one of the best in the future...
strength 93... r u kidding? i say 96 ;)

[El_Duderino]

oh i forgot...
where is MUTOMBO????
i didnt saw him in the ratings... where is he??
he is so important 4 the game because hes the 2nd center 4 the rockets and his last season... so: last time mutombo plays in 2k :'(

[garnettfan]

yao ming is garbage

[oOausarOo]

Anthony Randolph could end up rookie of the year. I predict he's going to get some huge boosts in the updates throughout the year and some signature moves.

[Rashidi]

That from the Goonies?

That stuff with Battie is horrible. They've been doing that for years with certain players, some I think they fixed this year. I haven't checked the center ratings yet, but I'm guessing they left Booth's mid-range at 50?

Yeah Booth's another although a bit more expected. Battie at least as a rep for being decent.

[Rashidi]

oh i forgot...
where is MUTOMBO????
i didnt saw him in the ratings... where is he??
he is so important 4 the game because hes the 2nd center 4 the rockets and his last season... so: last time mutombo plays in 2k :'(

He was in the FAs so I don't have his ratings.

He still hasn't signed and Houston has 15 guaranteed contracts.

He might make a cameo at mid-season like P.J. Brown did last year. Honestly they don't need him until Yao gets hurt, because he's only the 3rd string center with Yao healthy (Landry/Scola get most of the backup mins). They'd probably rather see how Joey Dorsey does in those minutes.

Only way i see them bringing him back is if they somehow rid themselves of Steve Francis (who is still rehabbing from injury).

[pooh_wade816]

Dwight Howard changes from 2k8

Dwight Howard
Overall 93 – 95 (-2)
Close 92 – 99 (-7)
Med 63 – 71 (-8)
3pt 50 - 50 (0)
FT 58 – 59 (-1)
Off Dribble 68 – 56 (+12)
In Traffic 93 – 84 (+9)
Layup 86 - 69 (+17)
Dunk 99 - 89 (+10)
Handle 70 - 67 (+3)
Pass 56 - 57 (-1)
Hands 88 – 88 (0)
PostOff 96 – 96 (0)
PostDef 93 – 93 (0)
Ball Defense 67 – 67 (0)
Block 86 – 91 (-5)
Steal 63 – 63 (0)
Hustle 84 – 84 (0)
RebOff 94 – 95 (-1)
RebDef 99 – 95 (+4)
Speed 69 – 67 (+2)
Quickness 68 – 66 (+2)
Strength 93 – 93 (0)
Vertical 92 – 86 (+6)
DefAwr 86 – 86 (0)
OffAwr 82 – 79 (+3)

It is quite clear and convincing that 2k has absolutely no clue what their own layup rating does if they gave Howard a higher rating than 90% of all guards. Tony Parker is an 89 layup this year, for those keeping track of such absurdity at home.

But it gets better

Top 10 Center Layup
86 Howard
72 Noah
71 E. Curry
70 Horford
69 Chandler
69 Biedrins
69 K. Brown
68 Bogut
68 Mourning
68 R. Hollins
68 G. Davis

Yeah, it's that bad.

But, hey they have to do something about so he can make em' down there. Cuz we all know Dwight down that low in the paint is not doin no damn layup. He's gonna do a throw down dunk even if there's 4 ppl down there. So, his layup has to be higher than ever other center in the game

[Rashidi]

HAs this been done for SG, SF also?

PG/SG/SF somewhat (topics were deleted when Ron telling people the ratings were fake). I haven't looked at the PF ratings too intently yet to be honest but I'll get to it.

It should be noted there are still plenty of PF who should have been listed as C, led by Jermaine O'Neal and Emeka Okafor.

[El_Duderino]

okay thx rashidi ;)
i thought that 2k forgot him because i heard that mutombo already has a new contract.
hopefully he got a good rating...
is there a freeagent rating coming soon?

[Skrobes66]

What rating would you give George Hill (1st rd pick of the spurs)?

[KJizzle]

how is horford still 82
he should be asleast an 85 or 86

he was a monster as a rookie

and how does oden gain points he hasn't even played

[El_Duderino]

how is horford still 82
he should be asleast an 85 or 86

he was a monster as a rookie

and how does oden gain points he hasn't even played

oden got muscles and that means he got "better" ;)

[Rashidi]

Top 5 at each rating

Close
94 Yao
93 Bynum
92 Howard
92 Shaq
92 Ilgauskas
92 Curry

Med
86 Okur
84 Sheed
81 Yao
80 B. Miller
77 Koufos

3pt
89 Okur
86 Sheed
76 Blount
75 Koufos
73 B. Miller

FT
85 Yao
85 B. Miller
80 Okur
80 Ilgauskas
79 B. Lopez

Shoot Off Dribble
74 Sheed
74 Okur
69 Horford
68 Camby
68 Howard

Shoot In Traffic
94 Shaq
93 Howard
93 Curry
92 Oden
90 Yao

Layup
86 Howard
71 Curry
70 Horford
69 Biedrins
69 Kwame

Dunk
99 Howard
81 Biedrins
79 Hollins
78 Chandler
76 Fesenko
76 McGee

Handle
70 Howard
68 Horford
67 Darko
66 Okur
66 G. Davis

Pass
70 B. Miller
67 Camby
65 Bogut
65 Sheed
64 Rasho

Hands
88 Shaq
88 Yao
88 Howard
88 Koufos
87 Oden
87 B. Lopez

Post Offense
99 Yao
96 Howard
89 Shaq (Equal to LeBron. Interesting. That's another topic though)
88 Ilgauskas
86 Bynum

Post Defense
93 Yao
93 Howard
93 Camby
89 Mourning
88 K. Thomas

On Ball Defense
68 Camby
68 Shaq
68 Biedrins
68 Dalembert
68 Sheed
68 Okur

Block
99 Camby
92 Ratliff
91 Mourning
88 Dalembert
87 Kaman

Steal
75 Sheed
74 Noah
73 K. Thomas
71 G. Davis
69 Camby

Hustle
99 Mourning
99 Noah
97 Varejao
90 Foster
89 Chandler

OffReb
99 Chandler
99 Dampier
94 Howard
94 Biedrins
94 Dalembert

DefReb
99 Howard
99 Kaman
99 Camby
95 Bynum
94 Chandler

Speed
71 Noah
69 Howard
69 Horford
68 Biedrins
66 Oden

Quickness
71 Horford
70 Noah
68 Howard
67 Oden
66 Biedrins

Strength
99 Shaq
94 Mourning
94 E. Thomas
93 Howard
93 Curry

Vertical
92 Howard
84 Noah
82 D. Jones
78 Biedrins
78 Horford

DefAwr
92 Camby
89 Chandler
86 Howard
86 Sheed
86 Mourning

OffAwr
92 Yao
86 Okur
84 Shaq
82 Howard
79 Curry
79 Ilgauskas
79 B. Miller

[pooh_wade816]

U mean to tell me that Howard's strength ain't @ a 99 w/ Shaq??? Shaq is washed up man.

[GoldynChyld]

I'm cool with Andrew Bynum being where he is, becuase lets face it, he hasn't played in a long while... But once the season is underway, hopefully he'll earn an upgrade...

and I bet those guys who haven't been upgraded since 2k7 won't even be on the insiders radar lol...

[mcgradybunch]

U mean to tell me that Howard's strength ain't @ a 99 w/ Shaq??? Shaq is washed up man.

wtf? howard a 92 strength?? KOBE EVEN SAID HES THE STRONGEST player hes played with including shaq

[mcgradybunch]

Top 5 at each rating

Close
94 Yao
93 Bynum
92 Howard
92 Shaq
92 Ilgauskas
92 Curry

Med
86 Okur
84 Sheed
81 Yao
80 B. Miller
77 Koufos

3pt
89 Okur
86 Sheed
76 Blount
75 Koufos
73 B. Miller

FT
85 Yao
85 B. Miller
80 Okur
80 Ilgauskas
79 B. Lopez

Shoot Off Dribble
74 Sheed
74 Okur
69 Horford
68 Camby
68 Howard

Shoot In Traffic
94 Shaq
93 Howard
93 Curry
92 Oden
90 Yao

Layup
86 Howard
71 Curry
70 Horford
69 Biedrins
69 Kwame

Dunk
99 Howard
81 Biedrins
79 Hollins
78 Chandler
76 Fesenko
76 McGee

Handle
70 Howard
68 Horford
67 Darko
66 Okur
66 G. Davis

Pass
70 B. Miller
67 Camby
65 Bogut
65 Sheed
64 Rasho

Hands
88 Shaq
88 Yao
88 Howard
88 Koufos
87 Oden
87 B. Lopez

Post Offense
99 Yao
96 Howard
89 Shaq (Equal to LeBron. Interesting. That's another topic though)
88 Ilgauskas
86 Bynum

Post Defense
93 Yao
93 Howard
93 Camby
89 Mourning
88 K. Thomas

On Ball Defense
68 Camby
68 Shaq
68 Biedrins
68 Dalembert
68 Sheed
68 Okur

Block
99 Camby
92 Ratliff
91 Mourning
88 Dalembert
87 Kaman

Steal
75 Sheed
74 Noah
73 K. Thomas
71 G. Davis
69 Camby

Hustle
99 Mourning
99 Noah
97 Varejao
90 Foster
89 Chandler

OffReb
99 Chandler
99 Dampier
94 Howard
94 Biedrins
94 Dalembert

DefReb
99 Howard
99 Kaman
99 Camby
95 Bynum
94 Chandler

Speed
71 Noah
69 Howard
69 Horford
68 Biedrins
66 Oden

Quickness
71 Horford
70 Noah
68 Howard
67 Oden
66 Biedrins

Strength
99 Shaq
94 Mourning
94 E. Thomas
93 Howard
93 Curry

Vertical
92 Howard
84 Noah
82 D. Jones
78 Biedrins
78 Horford

DefAwr
92 Camby
89 Chandler
86 Howard
86 Sheed
86 Mourning

OffAwr
92 Yao
86 Okur
84 Shaq
82 Howard
79 Curry
79 Ilgauskas
79 B. Miller

dang..dwights a 92 close?? he shoots 60% from the field!!! 70 handles? lmaoooo....ok, overrated.
shaq and lebron have the same post ratings...lol..wow

[Rashidi]

dang..dwights a 92 close?? he shoots 60% from the field!!! 70 handles? lmaoooo....ok, overrated.
shaq and lebron have the same post ratings...lol..wow

Regarding Dwight's close, his percentage is due to his ridiculously high proportion of dunks. He is actually sub .500 on non-dunks down low.

[NYgiants79]

Big Ben Wallace should have a higher block rating then everyone except Camby.

[pooh_wade816]

Regarding Dwight's close, his percentage is due to his ridiculously high proportion of dunks. He is actually sub .500 on non-dunks down low.

Man, I don't give a damn if he dunks the entire season. High percentage is a high percentage. Tell the players guardin him to stop him from gettin that down low in the paint. They ****ed over D-Howard. I was really expectin him to be the highest rated center this year and one of the top 5 players

[pooh_wade816]

wtf? howard a 92 strength?? KOBE EVEN SAID HES THE STRONGEST player hes played with including shaq

What makes it so bad is they know Dwight benches 365...they don't take that into consideration though. I'll just fix that ratin myself, cuz I know he deserves a 99 in that department

[Rashidi]

Man, I don't give a damn if he dunks the entire season. High percentage is a high percentage.

Howard has a 99 dunk rating. The next closest center is 18 points worse.
He will be even easier to score with now than when he was a 94 close and 89 dunk.

Tell the players guardin him to stop him from gettin that down low in the paint. They ****ed over D-Howard. I was really expectin him to be the highest rated center this year and one of the top 5 players

Howard may be the league's top center, but he still has a ways to go before we can talk about him in the same sentence as David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon, or Shaquille O'Neal. That he is the league's top center at age 22 says more about the dearth of talent at the position than it does about him.

Shaq could score in the paint on more than just dunks. You might recall Detroit shutting Howard's limited repitoire down in the playoffs. On the other hand, triple teams didn't phase Shaq in his prime.

Howard has no face up game, a limited post game, is turnover prone, and doesn't set up his teammates. He gets by entirely on his superior strength and athleticism. He needs to expand his game in order to become a true elite talent.

[Rashidi]

Big Ben Wallace should have a higher block rating then everyone except Camby.

You must have this game confused with NBA 2K5, when Ben Wallace was actually good enough to be on a game cover. He is an average player now and his shot blocking ability has declined mightily over the last three years.

Big Ben did not even average 2 blocks last year and is far removed from the days where he averaged 3+ (2002-2004)

[mcgradybunch]

howard has no face up game, a limited post game, is turnover prone, and doesn't set up his teammates. He gets by entirely on his superior strength and athleticism. He needs to expand his game in order to become a true elite talent.

couldnt have said it better

[pooh_wade816]

Howard has a 99 dunk rating. The next closest center is 18 points worse.
He will be even easier to score with now than when he was a 94 close and 89 dunk.



Howard may be the league's top center, but he still has a ways to go before we can talk about him in the same sentence as David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon, or Shaquille O'Neal. That he is the league's top center at age 22 says more about the dearth of talent at the position than it does about him.

Shaq could score in the paint on more than just dunks. You might recall Detroit shutting Howard's limited repitoire down in the playoffs. On the other hand, triple teams didn't phase Shaq in his prime.

Howard has no face up game, a limited post game, is turnover prone, and doesn't set up his teammates. He gets by entirely on his superior strength and athleticism. He needs to expand his game in order to become a true elite talent.

Man, this is gonna be Dwight's big big break out year...trust me. 25+ppg and 15rpg. MVP numbers

[Knote3]

When healthy, I'll take Yao over Dwight anytime.......
Yao dominates those head to head matchups as well........
Yao can be a much more dominant, efficient player.......He's got to get healthy though and play more than 60 games.....

[Rashidi]

Man, this is gonna be Dwight's big big break out year...trust me. 25+ppg and 15rpg. MVP numbers

Scoringwise, he is already taking most of the team's shots, I don't see how he's going to get many more without a substantial expansion of his game. I heard Howard say he is going to start taking more short jumpers, rather than dunks. That's not going to help his FG% or FTA for that matter (which means fewer pts).

This btw, is what a 25+ ppg center looks like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW4uXlRGAF0

Howard's a long ways away from that.


Reboundingwise, I don't see how that's going to happen.

Howard Rebound%
2005: 17.3 (10th in league)
2006: 20.9 (led league)
2007: 20.5 (3rd in league)
2008: 21.7 (led league)

He already had a jump in boards last year inwhich he led the league. He's more likely to stand pat or regress slightly than he is to improve on that. He could stand to improve on his offensive boarding but he probably cut back to avoid picking up fouls and to get back on defense. Doesn't hurt that he is playing with mostly 3pt shooters now, which create long rebounds that can fly out of his reach.

It's also worth noting that Howard only gets that many boards in the first place because Orlando doesn't have a PF. Ben Wallace averaged 15 boards because he played next to Cliff Robinson, the worst rebounding big in the league (and when Detroit picked up Sheed, BB's rebs went down to 12 or so). Rashard Lewis isn't as bad but he's close. Andris Biedrins and Chris Kaman have similar situations. When you're the only guy on your team who can grab a board, your average goes up. Just look at Jason Kidd with the Nets leading the Nets with 8 boards the last two years and when he goes to the Mavericks he averages only 6.

[Bi5oNas]

I wouldnt even dare to compare him to ''The Dream'' - the most talented offensive Center of all time (hes Nr.1 in carreer blocks as well) . If Dwight will ever be as good as D. Robinson - that would be his biggest achievement (i doubt that though) .

[Rashidi]

Hah, I can just imagine Dwight scoring 71 points in a game.

Oh wait, I can't.

[portlandblazer]

I wouldnt even dare to compare him to ''The Dream'' - the most talented offensive Center of all time (hes Nr.1 in carreer blocks as well) . If Dwight will ever be as good as D. Robinson - that would be his biggest achievement (i doubt that though) .dwight will never be any where near hakeem or the admiral. both those guys had an endless amount of tools. dwight, well im not even gonna go there.