Americas Game in APF????

[nflhitman]

I love NFL Networks show Americas game! IT cronicles the Superbowls teams journey to the big game and the players are the people narrating it. I was wondering why isnt there a league set up with this in mind? I know many players have tried starting a league that consist of the best teams from different eras but never really took off. I am wondering how many would be interested in this league and take it seriously? I will be making this league and yes I will be running 3 leagues but DL9 is the only league that requires much work at all so DDD and Americas Game would be simple to run with the help off some members. This game is all about Legends so lets take it to the next level and put them where they belong, Together with there team mates. Can your 70's Steelers beat the 90's Cowboys? Can your St. Louis Rams of 2000 beat the Patriots of 2000 in a rematch? Stop talking and get in the game!

Here is how this will work. You can use as many Legends the game has to offer for your team and than some CAPs to complete that team. Your team must have went to the Superbowl to be in this league but they didnt have to win it, just be in it. Post your team and go by the league rules on player creation and your good to go. Obviously you will have to figure who will be your Gold - Bronzes so dropping a players tier that is in the game is understandable but if you create a player that is already in this game they must have the height, weight, and you have to use the attributes the game has listed for that player. So if you choose John Elway but drop him to Silver you can but you have to use 2 out of the 5 attributes that are listed for him.

Banned attributes for your CAPs

Branching Tackles
Workhorse
Route God
Signal Stealer
Cadence
You can give only 1 type of speed attribute to your player, You can not layer speed on a player.

If you are using a player in this game that has those banned attributes than that is ok. These banned attributes are only applicable when you creat a player.

When you are using CAPs you must make them to there exact specs. This is where I will go to check your CAP player for accuracy on height and weight.

http://www.databasefootball.com/players/playerlist.htm

Link to league rules...........

http://online.2ksports.com/league/news?p=360&l=32555&n=1915

1965 Green Bay Packers:

G: Ray Nitschke ILB ( Leadership Bonus, Run Coverage, Big Hit, Closing Speed, Strength Bonus )
G: Herb Adderly CB ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus, Run Coverage, Quick Feet, Return Specialist )
S: Bart Starr QB
S: Willie Wood FS ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus )
S: Paul Hornung RB ( Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
B: Boyd Dowler WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Max McGee WR ( Clutch )
B: Dave Robinson OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Tom Brown SS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Lee Roy Caffey OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Doug Hart CB ( Ball Hawk )

Some Americas Game videos...........

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80723c65 ------ 49ers

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80099e9c ------ Patriots

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8008ccd1 ------ Steelers

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8008f9c1 ------- Redskins

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8008cd5c ------- Raiders

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8008cd8b ------- Dolphins

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d801fb0b8 ------- Colts

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8008fc38 ------- Bears

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8008faf1 -------- Giants

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80099a5e ------- Broncos

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8008fb8d ------- Cowboys

What team are you going to relive the glory years with?

[nflhitman]

What team are you going to relive your glory years with?

NFLHITMAN - 1965 Green Bay Packers:

G: Ray Nitschke ILB ( Leadership Bonus, Run Coverage, Big Hit, Closing Speed, Strength Bonus )
G: Herb Adderly CB ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus, Run Coverage, Quick Feet, Return Specialist )
S: Bart Starr QB
S: Willie Wood FS ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus )
S: Paul Hornung RB ( Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
B: Boyd Dowler WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Max McGee WR ( Clutch )
B: Dave Robinson OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Tom Brown SS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Lee Roy Caffey OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Doug Hart CB ( Ball Hawk )

tjspeaks - 2000 Baltimore Ravens

G: Shannon Sharpe TE
G: Rod Woodson CB/FS/SS
S: Ray Lewis ILB ( Quick Feet, Leadership Bonus )
S: Ben Coats TE
S: Trent Dilfer QB ( Laser Arm, Rocket Arm )
B: Chris McAlister CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Jamal Lewis RB ( Finesse & Power )
B: Duane Starks CB ( Quick Feet )
B: Matt Stover K ( Accuracy )
B: Kim Herring S ( Closing Speed )
B: Peter Boulware OLB ( Pass Rush Bonus )


iamsoonersam - 1999 St. Louis Rams

G: Marshall Faulk RB ( Cutback Ability, Quick Feet, Finesse, Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
G: Isaac Bruce WR ( Soft Hands, Mr 3rd Down, Deep Threat, Possession Receiver, Break Away Burst )
S: Kurt Warner QB ( Laser Arm, Clutch )
S: Kevin Carter DE ( Pass Rush Bonus, Club )
S: Torry Holt WR ( Speed Burner, Quick Feet )
B: London Fletcher ILB ( Run Coverage )
B: Az-Zahir Hakim WR/KR/PR ( Break Away Burst )
B: Orlando Pace T ( Stone Wall )
B: Todd Lyght CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Mike Jones OLB ( Wrap up Tackler )
B: Billy Jenkins SS ( Closing Speed )

FLAxWLESS - 2002 Oakland Raiders

G: Rick Gannon QB ( Scrambler, Quick Feet, Leadership Bonus, Laser Arm, Deception )
G: Charlie Garner ( Break Away Burst, Finesse, Cutback Ability, Quick Feet, Soft Hands )
S: Jerry Rice WR ( Route God, Soft Hands )
S: Tim Brown WR ( Tough in the Middle, Possession Receiver )
S: Rod Woodson FS ( Leadership Bonus, Coverage Bonus )
B: Jerry Porter WR ( Acrobatic Catches )
B: Charles Woodson CB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Tory James CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Bill Romanowski ILB ( Run Coverage )
B: Eric Barton OLB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Sam Adams DT ( Club )

Funky Rezident - 1998 Denver Broncos

G: #87 Easy Ed McCaffrey WR 6-5 215 Stanford (Leadership,Soft Hands,Tough in the middle,Strength,Clutch)
G: #30 Terrell Davis RB 5-11 210 Georgia (Speed burner,Strength,Quickfeet,Cutback ability,Power)
S:#84 Shannon Sharpe TE 6-2 230 Savannah State(Route god, Speed Burner)
S: #80 Rod Smith WR 6-0 200 Missouri Southern (Deep Threat,Breakaway burst)
S: #7 John Elway QB 6-3 215 38 16 Stanford (Laser Arm, Strength)
B: #93 Trevor Pryce DE 6-5 295 Clemson (Club)
B: #90 Neil Smith DE 6-4 270 32 11 Nebraska (Rip)
B: #53 Bill Romanowski LB 6-4 245 Boston College (Coverage)
B: #20 Tory James CB 6-1 195 Louisiana State (Coverage)
B: #21 Darrien Gordon CB 5-11 192 Stanford (Speed Burner)
B: #27 Steve A****er SS 6-3 220 Arkansas (Run Coverage)

NYGiants79 - 1986 NY Giants

G: Lawrence Taylor OLB ( Pass Rush Bonus, Sack Master, Speed Burner, Quick Feet, Ball Strip )
G: Mark Bavarro TE ( Bull Dozer, Battering Ram, Strength Bonus, Tough in the Middle, Possession Receiver )
S: Phil Simms QB ( Leadership Bonus, Laser Arm )
S: Harry Carson ILB
S: Joe Morris RB ( Break Away Burst, Finesse )
B: George Martin DE ( Club )
B: Jim Burt NT ( Run Coverage )
B: Leonard Marshall DE
B: Carl Banks OLB
B: Thomas " Pepper " Johnson ILB
B: Terry Kinard FS (Closing Speed)

twosilk32811 - 1972 Miami Dolphins

G: Mercury Morris RB ( Cutback Ability, Stamina Bonus, Soft Hands, Finesse, Return Specialist )
G: Paul Warfield WR ( Speed Burner, Acrobatic Catches, Quick Feet, Mr. 3rd Down, Clutch )
S: D|ck Anderson SS
S: Nick Buoniconti ILB
S: Earl Morrall QB ( Scrambler, Rocket Arm )
B: Garo Yepremian K
B: Jake Scott FS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Doug Swift OLB ( Wrap up Tackler )
B: Tim Foley CB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Howard Twilley WR ( Possession Receiver )
B: Manny Fernandez DT ( Strength Bonus )

NY KIA - 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

G: Warren Sapp DT ( Quick Feet, Club, Sack Master, Pass Rush Bonus, Leadership Bonus )
G: Derrick Brooks OLB ( Coverage Bonus, Quick Feet, Run Coverage, Closing Speed, Ball Hawk )
S: Simeon Rice DE ( Rip, Speed Burner )
S: Ronde Barber CB ( Clutch, Run Coverage )
S: John Lynch FS ( Run Reader, Big Hit )
B: Shelton Quarles OLB ( Closing Speed )
B: Brian Kelly CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Brad Johnson QB ( Laser Arm )
B: Mike Alstott FB/RB ( Battering Ram )
B: Keenan McCardell WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Keyshawn Johnson WR ( Tough in the Middle )

LeeroyJenkyns - 1983 Oakland Raiders

G: Marcus Allen RB
G: Mike Haynes CB
S: Van Mcelroy FS
S: Lester Hayes CB
S: Todd Christiansen
B: Jim Plunkett QB ( ?????? )
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Matt Millen ILB ( ????? )
B: Rod Martin OLB ( ????? )
B: Mike Davis SS ( ????? )
B: Howie Long DE ( ????? )

NYYanksSuck04 - 1989 San Francisco 49ers

G: Jerry Rice WR
G: Ronnie Lott FS
S: Joe Montana QB ( ?????, Leadership) - You have to make a CAP in the game with the same attributes no Rocket Arm
S: Roger Craig RB
S: Don Griffin CB (Ball Hawk, Footsteps)
B: Tom Rathman FB
B: John Taylor WR
B: Brent Jones TE (Possesion Reciever)
B: Darryl Pollard CB (Coverage Bonus)
B: Charles Haley OLB (Closing Speed)
B: Bill Romanowski ILB (Run Reader)

[Darth Spartan99]

I just watched the missing ring episode for the bills. Man that was a great team. I agree with you. Americas game is a awesome show. Did you see the one on the Chargers last week.

[zhaoyun707]

Psh, your teams can't beat the 1989 49ers.

[nflhitman]

Psh, your teams can't beat the 1989 49ers.

minh nobody cares about your 49ers. Post if you want to join or not. I don't want this thread to be a debate about your 49ers.

[nflhitman]

I just watched the missing ring episode for the bills. Man that was a great team. I agree with you. Americas game is a awesome show. Did you see the one on the Chargers last week.

I was watching that show and that is what caused me to to post this thread. :D

[96vegas]

minh nobody cares about your 49ers. Post if you want to join or not. I don't want this thread to be a debate about your 49ers.
what was he 3 years old in 89 i can see it now min drops mudslide in diaper and says ma-ma look jehwy wice double move ga ga go go weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[twosilk]

i will take the 1972 dolphins

[amid]

2000 baltimore ravens

TE Shannon Sharpe
S Rod Woodson

LB Ray Lewis (quick feet, leadership)
TE Ben Coates
QB Trent Dilfer (laser arm, rocket arm)

CB Chris McAlister (ball hawk)
HB Jamal Lewis (finesse & power)
CB Duane Starks (quick feet)
K stover (accuracy)
S Kim Herring (closing speed)
LB Peter Boulware (pass rush bonus)

[ElGreazy78]

I've very very interested in this one! So I'm calling dibs on the Boys!

Okay, so my question is how would I go about making the early 90's Cowboys? For instance, your data-base has Woodson as a Gold (no complaints there) but how would I incorporate him into a team where there are more deserving Golds (Emmitt, Irvin, Aikman, etc)? I guess my question is how flexible would you be with CAPs, Legends & tier rankings seeing as some teams would practically come pre-made with in-game players.

(EXAMPLE BUILD)

G: Aikman / Irvin (CAP) / Deion (?)
G: Smith

S: Johnston
S: Novacek / Woodson (?)
S: Aikman (CAP) / Irvin (CAP) / Woodson (?) / Deion (?)

(Many to choose from)
B: Lett
B: Norton Jr
B: Woodson (?)
B: Harper
B: Tolbert
B: Godrey Miles (LB)
B: Dixon Edwards (LB)
B: Darrin Smith (LB)
B: Bill Bates (S)
B: Brock Marions (S)
B: Larry Brown (CB)

[twosilk]

QB Trent Dilfer (laser arm, rocket arm)



trent dilfer with laser arm?? there are some folks in tampa that would kill you for that joke!!!

just messing around i know there are no limitations on caps here, just thought that was funny

[soonersam]

I would be interested in the Greatest show on turf
Gold
RB Marshall Faulk - Cutback, Quick Feet, Finesse, Soft Hands, Leadership
WR Issac Bruce - Soft Hands, Mr. 3rd Down, Deep Threat, Possession Receiver, Break Away Burst
Silver
QB Kurt Warner - Laser Arm, Clutch
DE Kevin Carter - Pass Rush, Club (17 sacks)
WR Torry Holt - Speed Burner, Quick Feet

Bronze
ILB London Fletcher - Run Coverage
WR Az-Zahir Hakim - Break Away Burst (also returned punts and kicks)
OT Orlando Pace - Stonewall
CB Todd Lyght - Ballhawk (6 INTs)
OLB Mike Jones - Wrap up Tackler (Made "The Tackle")
SS Billy Jenkins - Closing Speed (lead team with 94 tackles)

[FLAxWLESS]

I'll do the 2003 Oakland Raiders!!

GOLD
QB Rich Gannon (MVP!)- Scramble, Quick Feet, Leadership, Laser, Deception
RB Charlie Garner (Nearly 1k Rush AND Rec) - BAB, Finesse, Quick Feet, Cutback, Soft Hands

SILVER
WR Jerry Rice - Route God, Soft Hands
WR Time Brown - Possesion, TIM
FS Rod Woodson - Leadership, Coverage Bonus

BRONZE
WR Jerry Porter - Acrobatic Catch
CB Charles Woodson - Coverage Bonus
CB Tory James - Ball Hawk
LB Bill Romonowski - Run Coverage
LB Eric Barton - Coverage Bonus
DT Sam Adams - Club

[FunkyRezident]

'98 Broncos

Gold: #87 Easy Ed McCaffrey WR 6-5 215 Stanford (Leadership,Soft Hands,Tough in the middle,Strength,Clutch)
Gold: #30 Terrell Davis RB 5-11 210 Georgia (Speed burner,Strength,Quickfeet,Cutback ability,Power)
Silver:#84 Shannon Sharpe TE 6-2 230 Savannah State(Route god, Speed Burner)
Silver: #80 Rod Smith WR 6-0 200 Missouri Southern (Deep Threat,Breakaway burst)
Silver: #7 John Elway QB 6-3 215 38 16 Stanford (Laser Arm, Strength)

B: #93 Trevor Pryce DE 6-5 295 Clemson (Club)
B: #90 Neil Smith DE 6-4 270 32 11 Nebraska (Rip)
B: #53 Bill Romanowski LB 6-4 245 Boston College (Coverage)
B: #20 Tory James CB 6-1 195 Louisiana State (Coverage)
B: #21 Darrien Gordon CB 5-11 192 Stanford (Speed Burner)
B: #27 Steve A****er SS 6-3 220 Arkansas (Run Coverage)

[nflhitman]

I've very very interested in this one! So I'm calling dibs on the Boys!

Okay, so my question is how would I go about making the early 90's Cowboys? For instance, your data-base has Woodson as a Gold (no complaints there) but how would I incorporate him into a team where there are more deserving Golds (Emmitt, Irvin, Aikman, etc)? I guess my question is how flexible would you be with CAPs, Legends & tier rankings seeing as some teams would practically come pre-made with in-game players.

(EXAMPLE BUILD)

G: Aikman / Irvin (CAP) / Deion (?)
G: Smith

S: Johnston
S: Novacek / Woodson (?)
S: Aikman (CAP) / Irvin (CAP) / Woodson (?) / Deion (?)

(Many to choose from)
B: Lett
B: Norton Jr
B: Woodson (?)
B: Harper
B: Tolbert
B: Godrey Miles (LB)
B: Dixon Edwards (LB)
B: Darrin Smith (LB)
B: Bill Bates (S)
B: Brock Marions (S)
B: Larry Brown (CB)

When you are talking about a Superbowl team you most likely will have multiple options at Gold and Silver Tier placement. Just move down whoever you want to a lower tier but keep the attributes that are lkisted for them. Like when I made the Bears you see how I moved Walter Payton down to silver and gave him 2 of the attributes he has listed in the game. Other smart moves would be like tjspeaks Ravens moving Sharpe down to Silver since he has only 2 attributes as a gold. I hope this answers your question.

[amid]

this league looks like a lot of fun... good idea HITMAN

[GrrrillaPmp]

98 falcons. I'll post the squad later.

[nflhitman]

I have a question to everyone. Does it bother you at all that I have my messages in Bold letters? Valdarez edited my post and took out the bold letters and asked me if my Bold button was stuck. If this bothers you let me know because I dont want to offend any of our Forum Members.

Its funny also about it because all my regular messages are not in Bold Text. I only have a Team setup in Bold or a league announcement in Bold. I think someone has more things to worry about than me having Bold text. If this is such a problem maybe you forum moderators should take out that option.

[robbie21]

im being the 1971 san diego chargers

[robbie21]

gold
kevin wilnslow
dan fouts
silver
john jeferson
wes welker
forgot rest of team but i watch americas game again and find out

[robbie21]

when does this league start

[nflhitman]

when does this league start

When we get enough interest. At least 12 players.

[FLAxWLESS]

Hitman sucks that Tim Brown can't have Route God.

I guess I'll go with the next best thing and do Possession.

WR Tim Brown - Possession, TIM

I can't wait for this league as well. Always wanted to run with this team.. created it before but no one wanted to play them in lobby play.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Interesting interesting. I would like to go with the 94 chargers..but I didn't watch that team so I wouldn't know too much about them any website that provides information like that?For example was x guy great at the time or was z guy fast and explosive. I want to make it realistic unlike amid.

[amid]

Interesting interesting. I would like to go with the 94 chargers..but I didn't watch that team so I wouldn't know too much about them any website that provides information like that?For example was x guy great at the time or was z guy fast and x plosive. I want to make it realistic unlike amid.

my team isn't realistic? dilfer was a silver in the playoffs and superbowl, i watched every play.

hey try google for team info killa

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/rosters.nsf/Annual/1994-sd

[ImBACKK,killah5]

my team isn't realistic? dilfer was a silver in the playoffs and superbowl, i watched every play.

hey try google for team info killa

Ray Lewis won the MVP that superbowl..I think he be a gold instead of sharpe who had most of his best years in denver. Also rocket and laser arm...eh but it's cool. I guess it's how you watched the game.

[robbie21]

this league is only for xbox360 if u have ps3 look for my thread its the same concept jus for ps3

[amid]

Ray Lewis won the MVP that superbowl..I think he should take he should be a gold instead of sharpe who had most of his best years in denver. Also rocket and laser arm...eh but it's cool. I guess it's how you watched the game.
i am 5 ability CAP challenged (unless I drive cross town twice to DTRAIN's). Sharpe had a great year, especially the huge plays in the playoffs. I think the team is realistic (based on their play in the playoffs and Superbowl.)

[ImBACKK,killah5]

i am 5 ability CAP challenged (unless I drive cross town twice to DTRAIN's). Sharpe had a great year, especially the huge plays in the playoffs. I think the team is realistic (based on their play in the playoffs and Superbowl.)

Like I said it's cool amid....no problem.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

ok killah... just don't kill me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go

lol what does this have to do with anything????

[nflhitman]

Interesting interesting. I would like to go with the 94 chargers..but I didn't watch that team so I wouldn't know too much about them any website that provides information like that?For example was x guy great at the time or was z guy fast and explosive. I want to make it realistic unlike amid.

Here is what I have for the Chargers..........

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sdg/1994.htm

Top Players:

QB - Stan Humphries
RB - Natrone Means, Eric Bienemy
TE - Alfred Pupunu, Duane Young
WR - Ronnie Harmon, Shaun Jefferson, Tony Martin, Mark Seay

DE & Dt - Leslie Oniel, Shawn Lee, Chris Mims, Reuban Davis, Reggie White <--Not the Minister of Defense.
LB - Junior Seau, David Griggs,

Well you got the link :)

[nflhitman]

Anyone else want to try and relive there teams glory years?

[twosilk]

vegas said he is taking the 90 giants

[nflhitman]

vegas said he is taking the 90 giants


I told him he needs to post his team set up if he wants them.

[nyknicks33]

2002 Tampa Bay Bucs

Defense:

DT: Warren Sapp- Quick Feet, Club, Sack Master, Pass Rush, Leadership
DE: Simeon Rice- Rip, Speed Burner
LB: Derrick Brooks- Coverage Bonus, Quick Feet, Run Coverage, Closing Speed, Ball Hawk
LB: Shelton Quarles: Closing Speed
CB: Ronde Barber: Clutch, Run Coverage
CB: Brian Kelly: Ball Hawk
SS: John Lynch: Run Reader, Big Hit

Offense:

QB: Brad Johnson-Laser Arm
HB: Mike Alstott- Branching Tackles
WR: Keenan McCardell- Soft Hands
WR: Keyshawn Johnson- Tough over Middle

[ElGreazy78]

Lmao!! Steve a****er is blocked! Lol

[nflhitman]

2002 Tampa Bay Bucs

Defense:

DT: Warren Sapp- Quick Feet, Club, Sack Master, Pass Rush, Leadership
DE: Simeon Rice- Rip, Speed Burner
LB: Derrick Brooks- Coverage Bonus, Quick Feet, Run Coverage, Closing Speed, Ball Hawk
LB: Shelton Quarles: Closing Speed
CB: Ronde Barber: Clutch, Run Coverage
CB: Brian Kelly: Ball Hawk
SS: John Lynch: Run Reader, Big Hit

Offense:

QB: Brad Johnson-Laser Arm
HB: Mike Alstott- Branching Tackles
WR: Keenan McCardell- Soft Hands
WR: Keyshawn Johnson- Tough over Middle

I thought twosilk took them but I guess he changed his team to the 72 Dolphins

[96vegas]

i got 90 91 giants
perry williams safety gold
greg jackson db gold
phil simms silver
ottis anderson
mark collins silver db
carl banks
leonard marshall de
rob moore wr
odessa turner wr
mark bavaro te
pepper johnson lb
and the big tuna

[amid]

i got 90 91 giants

vegas96 and i had a good man to boy chat in the lobby the other day. i think we are friends now.

[Gunther]

Im leary of the gold backs in leagues but if you need someone to flush out your league to an even number Id be willing to be the 2002 Raiders


Gannon
Rice
Brown
C Woodson and R Woodson
Philip Buchanon
Tory James
Eric barton
Romanowski
Garner
Lechlar
Janikowski

[twosilk]

the 72 dolphins


gold-tb-mercury morris- cutback ability, stamina bonus, soft hands, finesse, return specialist
gold- wr-paul warfield-speed burner, acrobatic catches, quick feet, mr 3rd down, clutch
silver-ss-richard anderson(in game)
silver- ilb nick buonoconti(in game)
silver-qb earl morrall- scrambler, rocket arm
bronze- k-garo yepremian(in game)
bronze-fs jake scott- ball hawk
bronze-olb-doug swift- wrap up tackler
bronze-cb- tim foley- coverage bonus
bronze- wr- howard twilley, possession receiver
bronze- dt- manny fernandez- strength bonus

[Codenamemighty]

I just watched the missing ring episode for the bills. Man that was a great team. I agree with you. Americas game is a awesome show. Did you see the one on the Chargers last week.


Yes, I just watch the Missing Rings for the 1990 Bills...That team was amazing. They actually was the first team to do the No huddle offense as a regular Offense. They led the league in scoring. Jim Kelly was the first QB allowed to run the offense. That team was great. So sad they could not win atleast one superbowl...I must admit that team is one of the best teams of all time..they are overlooked because they lost the superbowl...I admire the Bills organization

[Gunther]

Jim Kelly was the first QB allowed to run the offense.
Not exactly they used to run the offesne al the time before Joe Montana and Walsh made it vogue for the coach to call the plays.

But yeah they wer ea great team. If it was college football they would have been national champs 4 years in a row.

[NYgiants79]

Can I join the league if I can I will use the 86 Giants


Gold
OLB Lawrence Taylor(Pass Rush,Sack Master,Speed Burner,Quick Feet,Ball Strip)
TE Mark Bavaro(Bulldozer,Battering Ram,Power,Tough Middle,Possession Receiver)
Silver
QB Phil Sims(Laser Arm,Leadership)
ILB Harry Carrson
HB Joe Morris(Breakaway Burst,Finesse)
Bronze
DE George Martin (Club)
NT Jim Burt(Run Coverage)
DE Lenard Marshall
OLB Carl Banks
ILB Thomas "Pepper" Johnson
FS Terry Kinard(Closing Speed)

[nflhitman]

Can I join the league if I can I will use the 86 Giants


Gold
OLB Lawrence Taylor(Pass Rush,Sack Master,Speed Burner,Quick Feet,Ball Strip)
TE Mark Bavaro(Bulldozer,Battering Ram,Power,Tough Middle,Possession Receiver)
Silver
QB Phil Sims(Laser Arm,Leadership)
ILB Harry Carrson
HB Joe Morris(Breakaway Burst,Finesse)
Bronze
DE George Martin (Club)
NT Jim Burt(Run Coverage)
DE Lenard Marshall
OLB Carl Banks
ILB Thomas "Pepper" Johnson
FS Terry Kinard(Closing Speed)

Happy to have you join us! I will post your team so get it made if you dont already and send me an friend request so I can let you know when to join. I will most likely have this league ready to join by Sunday night after football. I will be updating the thread as the Seahawks are thumping your Giants ;)

[96vegas]

Can I join the league if I can I will use the 86 Giants


Gold
OLB Lawrence Taylor(Pass Rush,Sack Master,Speed Burner,Quick Feet,Ball Strip)
TE Mark Bavaro(Bulldozer,Battering Ram,Power,Tough Middle,Possession Receiver)
Silver
QB Phil Sims(Laser Arm,Leadership)
ILB Harry Carrson
HB Joe Morris(Breakaway Burst,Finesse)
Bronze
DE George Martin (Club)
NT Jim Burt(Run Coverage)
DE Lenard Marshall
OLB Carl Banks
ILB Thomas "Pepper" Johnson
FS Terry Kinard(Closing Speed)
wow 91 giants taken and now 86 giants is that legal

[96vegas]

wow 91 giants taken and now 86 giants is that legal

home b4 5 nice

[nflhitman]

As long as they are different superbowl teams I have no problem with it.

Mike 8 - 4:30 is 8 hours.

[96vegas]

vegas96 and i had a good man to boy chat in the lobby the other day. i think we are friends now. u mean low life to no life chat ..can u adjust schedule so i dont play tjyaps or that (other guy) from the south

[nflhitman]

Im leary of the gold backs in leagues but if you need someone to flush out your league to an even number Id be willing to be the 2002 Raiders


Gannon
Rice
Brown
C Woodson and R Woodson
Philip Buchanon
Tory James
Eric barton
Romanowski
Garner
Lechlar
Janikowski


Leeroy, FLAxWLESS already has dibs on the 2002 Raiders. No Duplicate Superbowl team allowed.

[nflhitman]

i got 90 91 giants
perry williams safety gold
greg jackson db gold
phil simms silver
ottis anderson
mark collins silver db
carl banks
leonard marshall de
rob moore wr
odessa turner wr
mark bavaro te
pepper johnson lb
and the big tuna

Does this look like the 1990 NY Giants at all vegas96? Can we be a little more accurate to what they were known for please.

[nflhitman]

What team are you going to relive your glory years with?

NFLHITMAN - 1965 Green Bay Packers:

G: Ray Nitschke ILB ( Leadership Bonus, Run Coverage, Big Hit, Closing Speed, Strength Bonus )
G: Herb Adderly CB ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus, Run Coverage, Quick Feet, Return Specialist )
S: Bart Starr QB
S: Willie Wood FS ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus )
S: Paul Hornung RB ( Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
B: Boyd Dowler WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Max McGee WR ( Clutch )
B: Dave Robinson OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Tom Brown SS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Lee Roy Caffey OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Doug Hart CB ( Ball Hawk )

tjspeaks - 2000 Baltimore Ravens

G: Shannon Sharpe TE
G: Rod Woodson CB/FS/SS
S: Ray Lewis ILB ( Quick Feet, Leadership Bonus )
S: Ben Coats TE
S: Trent Dilfer QB ( Laser Arm, Rocket Arm )
B: Chris McAlister CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Jamal Lewis RB ( Finesse & Power )
B: Duane Starks CB ( Quick Feet )
B: Matt Stover K ( Accuracy )
B: Kim Herring S ( Closing Speed )
B: Peter Boulware OLB ( Pass Rush Bonus )


iamsoonersam - 1999 St. Louis Rams

G: Marshall Faulk RB ( Cutback Ability, Quick Feet, Finesse, Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
G: Isaac Bruce WR ( Soft Hands, Mr 3rd Down, Deep Threat, Possession Receiver, Break Away Burst )
S: Kurt Warner QB ( Laser Arm, Clutch )
S: Kevin Carter DE ( Pass Rush Bonus, Club )
S: Torry Holt WR ( Speed Burner, Quick Feet )
B: London Fletcher ILB ( Run Coverage )
B: Az-Zahir Hakim WR/KR/PR ( Break Away Burst )
B: Orlando Pace T ( Stone Wall )
B: Todd Lyght CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Mike Jones OLB ( Wrap up Tackler )
B: Billy Jenkins SS ( Closing Speed )

FLAxWLESS - 2002 Oakland Raiders

G: Rick Gannon QB ( Scrambler, Quick Feet, Leadership Bonus, Laser Arm, Deception )
G: Charlie Garner ( Break Away Burst, Finesse, Cutback Ability, Quick Feet, Soft Hands )
S: Jerry Rice WR ( Route God, Soft Hands )
S: Tim Brown WR ( Tough in the Middle, Possession Receiver )
S: Rod Woodson FS ( Leadership Bonus, Coverage Bonus )
B: Jerry Porter WR ( Acrobatic Catches )
B: Charles Woodson CB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Tory James CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Bill Romanowski ILB ( Run Coverage )
B: Eric Barton OLB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Sam Adams DT ( Club )

Funky Rezident - 1998 Denver Broncos

G: #87 Easy Ed McCaffrey WR 6-5 215 Stanford (Leadership,Soft Hands,Tough in the middle,Strength,Clutch)
G: #30 Terrell Davis RB 5-11 210 Georgia (Speed burner,Strength,Quickfeet,Cutback ability,Power)
S:#84 Shannon Sharpe TE 6-2 230 Savannah State(Route god, Speed Burner)
S: #80 Rod Smith WR 6-0 200 Missouri Southern (Deep Threat,Breakaway burst)
S: #7 John Elway QB 6-3 215 38 16 Stanford (Laser Arm, Strength)
B: #93 Trevor Pryce DE 6-5 295 Clemson (Club)
B: #90 Neil Smith DE 6-4 270 32 11 Nebraska (Rip)
B: #53 Bill Romanowski LB 6-4 245 Boston College (Coverage)
B: #20 Tory James CB 6-1 195 Louisiana State (Coverage)
B: #21 Darrien Gordon CB 5-11 192 Stanford (Speed Burner)
B: #27 Steve A****er SS 6-3 220 Arkansas (Run Coverage)

NYGiants79 - 1986 NY Giants

G: Lawrence Taylor OLB ( Pass Rush Bonus, Sack Master, Speed Burner, Quick Feet, Ball Strip )
G: Mark Bavarro TE ( Bull Dozer, Battering Ram, Power, Tough in the Middle, Possession Receiver )
S: Phil Simms QB ( Leadership Bonus, Laser Arm )
S: Harry Carson ILB
S: Joe Morris RB ( Break Away Burst, Finesse )
B: George Martin DE ( Club )
B: Jim Burt NT ( Run Coverage )
B: Leonard Marshall DE
B: Carl Banks OLB
B: Thomas " Pepper " Johnson ILB
B: Terry Kinard FS (Closing Speed)

twosilk32811 - 1972 Miami Dolphins

G: Mercury Morris RB ( Cutback Ability, Stamina Bonus, Soft Hands, Finesse, Return Specialist )
G: Paul Warfield WR ( Speed Burner, Acrobatic Catches, Quick Feet, Mr. 3rd Down, Clutch )
S: D|ck Anderson SS
S: Nick Buoniconti ILB
S: Earl Morrall QB ( Scrambler, Rocket Arm )
B: Garo Yepremian K
B: Jake Scott FS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Doug Swift OLB ( Wrap up Tackler )
B: Tim Foley CB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Howard Twilley WR ( Possession Receiver )
B: Manny Fernandez DT ( Strength Bonus )

NY KIA - 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

G: Warren Sapp DT ( Quick Feet, Club, Sack Master, Pass Rush Bonus, Leadership Bonus )
G: Derrick Brooks OLB ( Coverage Bonus, Quick Feet, Run Coverage, Closing Speed, Ball Hawk )
S: Simeon Rice DE ( Rip, Speed Burner )
S: Ronde Barber CB ( Clutch, Run Coverage )
S: John Lynch FS ( Run Reader, Big Hit )
B: Shelton Quarles OLB ( Closing Speed )
B: Brian Kelly CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Brad Johnson QB ( Laser Arm )
B: Mike Alstott FB/RB ( Battering Ram )
B: Keenan McCardell WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Keyshawn Johnson WR ( Tough in the Middle )

[NYgiants79]

No biggie but it's the 86 giants.

[nflhitman]

No biggie but it's the 86 giants.

I will make the correction. What is your Gamertag by the way?

[NYgiants79]

My gamertag is nygiants5892

[robbie21]

good idea
i want to start it now

[nyknicks33]

Slight Changes

NY KIA - 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

G: Warren Sapp DT ( Quick Feet, Club, Sack Master, Pass Rush Bonus, Leadership Bonus )
G: Derrick Brooks OLB ( Coverage Bonus, Quick Feet, Run Coverage, Closing Speed, Ball Hawk )
S: Simeon Rice DE ( Rip, Speed Burner )
S: Ronde Barber CB ( Clutch, Run Coverage )
S: John Lynch FS ( Run Reader, Big Hit )
B: Shelton Quarles OLB ( Closing Speed )
B: Brian Kelly CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Brad Johnson QB ( Laser Arm )
B: Mike Alstott FB/RB Battering Ram
B: Keenan McCardell WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Keyshawn Johnson WR ( Tough in the Middle )

[Gunther]

83 Raiders

Gold
Marcus Allen
Mike Haynes


Silver
Van Mcelroy FS
Lester Hayes
Todd Christiansen

Bronze
Jim Plunkett
Cliff Branch
Matt Millen ILB
Rod Martin OLB
Mike Davis SS
Howie Long DE

[NYgiants79]

G: Mark Bavarro TE ( Bull Dozer, Battering Ram, stength, Tough in the Middle, Possession Receiver )

one minor change I changed for bavarro his power attribute to strength

[Scooter53]

good idea
i want to start it now

Sorry for taking upspce here guys, I so wish I had a 360, this league seems awsome... Anyways robbie arnt u on ps3?

P.S. Can one of you help me with 1992-1993 Buffalo Bills, thanks!!!

[I.C.D.N.V.N.U.]

Scooter, you can do something like this:

WR James Lofton
RB Thurman Thomas

WR Andre Reed
QB Jim Kelly (CAP)
DE Bruce Smith (CAP)

WR Steve Tasker
TE Pete Metzelaars
SS Henry Jones (CAP)
CB Nate Odomes (CAP)
OLB Cornelius Bennett (CAP)
OLB Daryl Talley (CAP)

Not sure on abilities, though. This is using all of the possible players in APF, but if you want to mix up tiers or get rid of players like Steve Tasker, go ahead.

[NYYanksSuck04]

K heres my team.
1989 49ers :)

G: WR Jerry Rice
G: FS Ronnie Lott

S: QB Joe Montana ( Rocket Arm, Leadership)
S: RB Roger Craig
S: CB Don Griffin (Ball Hawk, Footsteps)

B: FB Tom Rathman
B: WR John Taylor
B: TE Brent Jones (Possesion Reciever)
B: CB Darryl Pollard (Coverage Bonus)
B: OLB Charles Haley (Closing Speed)
B: ILB Bill Romanowski (Run Reader)

[nflhitman]

What team are you going to relive your glory years with?

NFLHITMAN - 1965 Green Bay Packers:

G: Ray Nitschke ILB ( Leadership Bonus, Run Coverage, Big Hit, Closing Speed, Strength Bonus )
G: Herb Adderly CB ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus, Run Coverage, Quick Feet, Return Specialist )
S: Bart Starr QB
S: Willie Wood FS ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus )
S: Paul Hornung RB ( Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
B: Boyd Dowler WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Max McGee WR ( Clutch )
B: Dave Robinson OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Tom Brown SS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Lee Roy Caffey OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Doug Hart CB ( Ball Hawk )

tjspeaks - 2000 Baltimore Ravens

G: Shannon Sharpe TE
G: Rod Woodson CB/FS/SS
S: Ray Lewis ILB ( Quick Feet, Leadership Bonus )
S: Ben Coats TE
S: Trent Dilfer QB ( Laser Arm, Rocket Arm )
B: Chris McAlister CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Jamal Lewis RB ( Finesse & Power )
B: Duane Starks CB ( Quick Feet )
B: Matt Stover K ( Accuracy )
B: Kim Herring S ( Closing Speed )
B: Peter Boulware OLB ( Pass Rush Bonus )


iamsoonersam - 1999 St. Louis Rams

G: Marshall Faulk RB ( Cutback Ability, Quick Feet, Finesse, Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
G: Isaac Bruce WR ( Soft Hands, Mr 3rd Down, Deep Threat, Possession Receiver, Break Away Burst )
S: Kurt Warner QB ( Laser Arm, Clutch )
S: Kevin Carter DE ( Pass Rush Bonus, Club )
S: Torry Holt WR ( Speed Burner, Quick Feet )
B: London Fletcher ILB ( Run Coverage )
B: Az-Zahir Hakim WR/KR/PR ( Break Away Burst )
B: Orlando Pace T ( Stone Wall )
B: Todd Lyght CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Mike Jones OLB ( Wrap up Tackler )
B: Billy Jenkins SS ( Closing Speed )

FLAxWLESS - 2002 Oakland Raiders

G: Rick Gannon QB ( Scrambler, Quick Feet, Leadership Bonus, Laser Arm, Deception )
G: Charlie Garner ( Break Away Burst, Finesse, Cutback Ability, Quick Feet, Soft Hands )
S: Jerry Rice WR ( Route God, Soft Hands )
S: Tim Brown WR ( Tough in the Middle, Possession Receiver )
S: Rod Woodson FS ( Leadership Bonus, Coverage Bonus )
B: Jerry Porter WR ( Acrobatic Catches )
B: Charles Woodson CB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Tory James CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Bill Romanowski ILB ( Run Coverage )
B: Eric Barton OLB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Sam Adams DT ( Club )

Funky Rezident - 1998 Denver Broncos

G: #87 Easy Ed McCaffrey WR 6-5 215 Stanford (Leadership,Soft Hands,Tough in the middle,Strength,Clutch)
G: #30 Terrell Davis RB 5-11 210 Georgia (Speed burner,Strength,Quickfeet,Cutback ability,Power)
S:#84 Shannon Sharpe TE 6-2 230 Savannah State(Route god, Speed Burner)
S: #80 Rod Smith WR 6-0 200 Missouri Southern (Deep Threat,Breakaway burst)
S: #7 John Elway QB 6-3 215 38 16 Stanford (Laser Arm, Strength)
B: #93 Trevor Pryce DE 6-5 295 Clemson (Club)
B: #90 Neil Smith DE 6-4 270 32 11 Nebraska (Rip)
B: #53 Bill Romanowski LB 6-4 245 Boston College (Coverage)
B: #20 Tory James CB 6-1 195 Louisiana State (Coverage)
B: #21 Darrien Gordon CB 5-11 192 Stanford (Speed Burner)
B: #27 Steve A****er SS 6-3 220 Arkansas (Run Coverage)

NYGiants79 - 1986 NY Giants

G: Lawrence Taylor OLB ( Pass Rush Bonus, Sack Master, Speed Burner, Quick Feet, Ball Strip )
G: Mark Bavarro TE ( Bull Dozer, Battering Ram, Strength Bonus, Tough in the Middle, Possession Receiver )
S: Phil Simms QB ( Leadership Bonus, Laser Arm )
S: Harry Carson ILB
S: Joe Morris RB ( Break Away Burst, Finesse )
B: George Martin DE ( Club )
B: Jim Burt NT ( Run Coverage )
B: Leonard Marshall DE
B: Carl Banks OLB
B: Thomas " Pepper " Johnson ILB
B: Terry Kinard FS (Closing Speed)

twosilk32811 - 1972 Miami Dolphins

G: Mercury Morris RB ( Cutback Ability, Stamina Bonus, Soft Hands, Finesse, Return Specialist )
G: Paul Warfield WR ( Speed Burner, Acrobatic Catches, Quick Feet, Mr. 3rd Down, Clutch )
S: D|ck Anderson SS
S: Nick Buoniconti ILB
S: Earl Morrall QB ( Scrambler, Rocket Arm )
B: Garo Yepremian K
B: Jake Scott FS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Doug Swift OLB ( Wrap up Tackler )
B: Tim Foley CB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Howard Twilley WR ( Possession Receiver )
B: Manny Fernandez DT ( Strength Bonus )

NY KIA - 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

G: Warren Sapp DT ( Quick Feet, Club, Sack Master, Pass Rush Bonus, Leadership Bonus )
G: Derrick Brooks OLB ( Coverage Bonus, Quick Feet, Run Coverage, Closing Speed, Ball Hawk )
S: Simeon Rice DE ( Rip, Speed Burner )
S: Ronde Barber CB ( Clutch, Run Coverage )
S: John Lynch FS ( Run Reader, Big Hit )
B: Shelton Quarles OLB ( Closing Speed )
B: Brian Kelly CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Brad Johnson QB ( Laser Arm )
B: Mike Alstott FB/RB ( Battering Ram )
B: Keenan McCardell WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Keyshawn Johnson WR ( Tough in the Middle )

LeeroyJenkyns - 1983 Oakland Raiders

G: Marcus Allen RB
G: Mike Haynes CB
S: Van Mcelroy FS
S: Lester Hayes CB
S: Todd Christiansen
B: Jim Plunkett QB ( ?????? )
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Matt Millen ILB ( ????? )
B: Rod Martin OLB ( ????? )
B: Mike Davis SS ( ????? )
B: Howie Long DE ( ????? )

NYYanksSuck04 - 1989 San Francisco 49ers

G: Jerry Rice WR
G: Ronnie Lott FS
S: Joe Montana QB ( ?????, Leadership) - You have to make a CAP in the game with the same attributes no Rocket Arm
S: Roger Craig RB
S: Don Griffin CB (Ball Hawk, Footsteps)
B: Tom Rathman FB
B: John Taylor WR
B: Brent Jones TE (Possesion Reciever)
B: Darryl Pollard CB (Coverage Bonus)
B: Charles Haley OLB (Closing Speed)
B: Bill Romanowski ILB (Run Reader)

[nflhitman]

Some good teams still available.......

1959 Baltimore Colts

Johnny Unitas
Art Donovan
Gino Marchetti
Raymond Berry
Lenny Moore RB/WR <-- He was Roger Craig before Roger Craig.

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=BLC&lg=nfl&yr=1959

19955 Cleveland Browns

Otto Graham
Dante Lavelli
Lou Groza
Chuck Noll

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CLE&lg=nfl&yr=1955

1976 Oakland Raiders

Willie Brown
Fred Biletnikoff
Ken Stabler
Jack Tatum
Cliff Branch
Ray Guy

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=OAK&lg=nfl&yr=1976

1971 Dallas Cowboys

Roger Staubach
Mike Ditka
Bob Lilly
Mel Renfro
Charlie Watters

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1971

1977 Dallas Cowboys

Roger Staubach
Cliff Harris
Drew Pearson
Billy DuPree
Ed Too Tall Jones
Mel Renfro
Charlie Watters
Harvey Martin

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1977

1993 Dallas Cowboys

Troy Aikman
Emmitt Smith
Jay Novachek
Darryl Johnston
Alvin Harper
Ken Norton JR
Leon Lett
Tony Tolbert

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1993

[96vegas]

Does this look like the 1990 NY Giants at all vegas96? Can we be a little more accurate to what they were known for please.

what u mean what they were known for??? i have a 5 cap safety anf 5 attribute db bavaro has tough in middle phil has laser arm and leadership the rest of my receivers have soft hands and my silver corner has hops and coverage bonus ...is that enough

[nflhitman]

what u mean what they were known for??? i have a 5 cap safety anf 5 attribute db bavaro has tough in middle phil has laser arm and leadership the rest of my receivers have soft hands and my silver corner has hops and coverage bonus ...is that enough

Where is the face of that team? There are some restrictions on team set up. You have to have on your team the players that Superbowl team was known for.

Lawrence Taylor ring a bell?

[nflhitman]

i got 90 91 giants
perry williams safety gold
greg jackson db gold
phil simms silver
ottis anderson
mark collins silver db
carl banks
leonard marshall de
rob moore wr
odessa turner wr
mark bavaro te
pepper johnson lb
and the big tuna

Lawrence Taylor was the face and a big reason why they were so good and you leave him off your team? I don't think anyone would agree that the team you posted is the 1990 Giants without L.T. on your team.

[96vegas]

Where is the face of that team? There are some restrictions on team set up. You have to have on your team the players that Superbowl team was known for.

Lawrence Taylor ring a bell?

i dont want lawrence taylor i dont need another pass rusher lb on my team i have 2 pepper and banks but now i need lawrence?????. dilfer can have a laser arm i gues he was known for that..if u need to know there attributes ask me tonight..or i dont need to be in ur lg if ur giving me headaches over b.s.there is no cap restictions on caps but u cant give route god to a cap..or workhorse.. but now i need to tell u what they were known for..what u want me to make a db with big hit and special teams demon???? what u think im gonna make them with

[NYYanksSuck04]

My bad, heres the change

G: WR Jerry Rice
G: FS Ronnie Lott

S: QB Joe Montana ( Laser Arm, Leadership)
S: RB Roger Craig
S: CB Don Griffin (Ball Hawk, Footsteps)

B: FB Tom Rathman
B: WR John Taylor
B: TE Brent Jones (Possesion Reciever)
B: CB Darryl Pollard (Coverage Bonus)
B: OLB Charles Haley (Closing Speed)
B: ILB Bill Romanowski (Run Reader)

[96vegas]

i dont want lawrence taylor i dont need another pass rusher lb on my team i have 2 pepper and banks but now i need lawrence?????. dilfer can have a laser arm i gues he was known for that..if u need to know there attributes ask me tonight..or i dont need to be in ur lg if ur giving me headaches over b.s.there is no cap restictions on caps but u cant give route god to a cap..or workhorse.. but now i need to tell u what they were known for..what u want me to make a db with big hit and special teams demon???? what u think im gonna make them with
also larry little was a big part of the 72 dolphins but hes not a silver or a bronze on twosilks team but i dont hear a peep out of you..but i should have 3 pass rushing linebackers to please you...or have the face of the franchise..whatever

[guava9]

I don't want Lawrence Taylor. I don't need another pass rusher lb on my team. I have 2, Pepper and Banks but now I need Lawrence?. Dilfer can have a laser arm; I guess he was known for that. If u need to know their attributes ask me tonight, or I don't need to be in ur lg if ur giving me headaches over b.s.there is no cap restictions on caps but u cant give route god to a cap..or workhorse.. but now i need to tell u what they were known for..what u want me to make a db with big hit and special teams demon???? what u think im gonna make them with

Oh geeeeez!!! There's too much.
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[nflhitman]

i dont want lawrence taylor i dont need another pass rusher lb on my team i have 2 pepper and banks but now i need lawrence?????. dilfer can have a laser arm i gues he was known for that..if u need to know there attributes ask me tonight..or i dont need to be in ur lg if ur giving me headaches over b.s.there is no cap restictions on caps but u cant give route god to a cap..or workhorse.. but now i need to tell u what they were known for..what u want me to make a db with big hit and special teams demon???? what u think im gonna make them with

You dont need another pass rushing LB? Ok than remove Pepper johnson or Banks and add L.T.. If you don't like how the league is set up and the guidlines that go with the Superbowl Teams than I guess you won't be joining. If you want to create a 91 Giants team without L.T. than do so but it won't be in this league.

Larry Little was a great player for the Dolphins but he wasnt the face of the franchise. Many players are not on these Superbowl teams but everyone one of them have the Face of those Superbowl teams on them.

This is like creating the Patriots and using Matt Cassell and leaving Tom Brady off the team. This isn't a do what you want to do league. There are restrictions and everyone else seems ok with it but you. I should have known better than to invite into a league.

1991 NY Giants are available now.

[nflhitman]

there is no cap restictions on caps but u cant give route god to a cap..or workhorse..

Does this make sense to anyone else? I have no clue what he trying to say.

[amid]

Does this make sense to anyone else? I have no clue what he trying to say.
he is trying to say..."i am on drugs and i am crying out for help."

[nflhitman]

Some good teams still available.......

1959 Baltimore Colts

Johnny Unitas
Art Donovan
Gino Marchetti
Raymond Berry
Lenny Moore RB/WR <-- He was Roger Craig before Roger Craig.

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=BLC&lg=nfl&yr=1959

1955 Cleveland Browns

Otto Graham
Dante Lavelli
Lou Groza
Chuck Noll

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CLE&lg=nfl&yr=1955

1976 Oakland Raiders

Willie Brown
Fred Biletnikoff
Ken Stabler
Jack Tatum
Cliff Branch
Ray Guy

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=OAK&lg=nfl&yr=1976

1971 Dallas Cowboys

Roger Staubach
Mike Ditka
Bob Lilly
Mel Renfro
Charlie Watters

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1971

1977 Dallas Cowboys

Roger Staubach
Cliff Harris
Drew Pearson
Billy DuPree
Ed Too Tall Jones
Mel Renfro
Charlie Watters
Harvey Martin

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1977

1993 Dallas Cowboys

Troy Aikman
Emmitt Smith
Jay Novachek
Darryl Johnston
Alvin Harper
Ken Norton JR
Leon Lett
Tony Tolbert

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1993

1992 Buffalo Bills

James Lofton
Thurman Thomas
Andre Reed
Steve Tasker
Pete Metzelaars

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=BUF&lg=nfl&yr=1992

1985 Chicago Bears

Walter Payton
Mike Singletary
Dan Hampton
William Perry
Cliff Branch
Otis Wilson

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CHI&lg=nfl&yr=1985

[twosilk]

hold on the 55 browns, and 59 colts were not in superbowls, so we can use any "championship" team we want??

[nflhitman]

hold on the 55 browns, and 59 colts were not in superbowls, so we can use any "championship" team we want??

Ummm the Championship game was called Championship game before it was called Superbowl.

Yes you can use any team within the history of the game of NFL Football that was in the Championship game or Superbowl as we know it now.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

hold on the 55 browns, and 59 colts were not in superbowls, so we can use any "championship" team we want??

Talk about grasping at straws. You know what he meant SUN!!!:cool:

[twosilk]

Talk about grasping at straws. You know what he meant SUN!!!:cool:

no he said superbowl, not championship, that opens up even more possible teams, so i just wanted to know my possibilities, like playing with some old afl teams. just like to know my possibilities, will be on in a few if you are still looking for a game.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

no he said superbowl, not championship, that opens up even more possible teams, so i just wanted to know my possibilities, like playing with some old afl teams. just like to know my possibilities, will be on in a few if you are still looking for a game.

ok I'll be waiting.

[nflhitman]

no he said superbowl, not championship, that opens up even more possible teams, so i just wanted to know my possibilities, like playing with some old afl teams. just like to know my possibilities, will be on in a few if you are still looking for a game.

You didnt notice my 1965 Packers team? That was the last Championship game before they changed its name to the Superbowl.

[96vegas]

You dont need another pass rushing LB? Ok than remove Pepper johnson or Banks and add L.T.. If you don't like how the league is set up and the guidlines that go with the Superbowl Teams than I guess you won't be joining. If you want to create a 91 Giants team without L.T. than do so but it won't be in this league.

Larry Little was a great player for the Dolphins but he wasnt the face of the franchise. Many players are not on these Superbowl teams but everyone one of them have the Face of those Superbowl teams on them.

This is like creating the Patriots and using Matt Cassell and leaving Tom Brady off the team. This isn't a do what you want to do league. There are restrictions and everyone else seems ok with it but you. I should have known better than to invite into a league.

1991 NY Giants are available now. u have created seahawks teams without walter jones becuz u wanted more on defense..so count me out

[96vegas]

You dont need another pass rushing LB? Ok than remove Pepper johnson or Banks and add L.T.. If you don't like how the league is set up and the guidlines that go with the Superbowl Teams than I guess you won't be joining. If you want to create a 91 Giants team without L.T. than do so but it won't be in this league.

Larry Little was a great player for the Dolphins but he wasnt the face of the franchise. Many players are not on these Superbowl teams but everyone one of them have the Face of those Superbowl teams on them.

This is like creating the Patriots and using Matt Cassell and leaving Tom Brady off the team. This isn't a do what you want to do league. There are restrictions and everyone else seems ok with it but you. I should have known better than to invite into a league.

1991 NY Giants are available now.I should have known better than to invite into a league.

actually after being asked 50 times to join ur lg i said yeah but shoulda said no.walter jones is the face of the seahawks franchise hes been there his whole career but i waould have to put him on my 2005 seahwaks team....yeah ok silly

[soonersam]

vegas you really don't do much to improve people's perception of Oregon

[96vegas]

vegas you really don't do much to improve people's perception of Oregon
ive been here 2 years kid

[nflhitman]

I should have known better than to invite into a league.

actually after being asked 50 times to join ur lg i said yeah but shoulda said no.walter jones is the face of the seahawks franchise hes been there his whole career but i waould have to put him on my 2005 seahwaks team....yeah ok silly

Really So in amid league " NFL 2K8 " League where Walter is my Gold and the only league where I have the Seahawks in makes your post kind of pointless huh?

[nflhitman]

This is my Seahawks team in NFL 2K8....

Seattle Seahawks (NFLHITMAN)

DE Patrick Kerney ( Leadership Bonus, Club, Strength Bonus )
T Walter Jones ( Leadership Bonus, Brick Wall, Stone Wall )

OLB Julian Peterson ( Closing Speed, Pass Rush Bonus )
DT Rocky Bernard ( Closing Speed, Rip )
ILB Lofa Tatupu ( Leadership Bonus, Run Coverage )

QB Matt Hasselbeck ( Quick Release )
HB T.J. Duckett ( Strength Bonus )
WR Nate Burleson ( Break Away Burst )
WR Bobby Engram ( Possession Receiver )
FB/TE Leonard Weaver ( Bull Dozer )
OLB Leroy Hill ( Closing Speed )


If your referring to my first post in this thread of my 2005 Seahawks Superbowl team than you should probably also know that I had Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson on that team.

Mike I know you personally but you are the only guy who bashes my leagues or the way things are. Why do you do this?

[96vegas]

Really So in amid league " NFL 2K8 " League where Walter is my Gold and the only league where I have the Seahawks in makes your post kind of pointless huh? so what ur saying is that of all the seahawks teams u have created u had walter on every single one of them..no i dont think so

[twosilk]

are there any guidelines in place as far as team setup, and players that can be included, or is it anybody that was on the roster can be included?? maybe changing my team looking at some of the other setups on here

[nflhitman]

are there any guidelines in place as far as team setup, and players that can be included, or is it anybody that was on the roster can be included?? maybe changing my team looking at some of the other setups on here

I want the player on that team to be the starters or in the case of the older teams to have the player with the most stats.

If you want...

2 CB's pick the 2 with highest stats

2 - 4 LB's the ones with the most stats

In the case of a team like my 2005 Seahawks than if a O-Lineman is considered there best player than he should be on that team. If you don't want a Dolphins team with a Larry Little on it than pick a different team. Not saying you did twosilk because I saw your Dolphins team and you had Little on it.

How could you even think of a Giants team that vegas posted without L.T. honestly????

Nobody said he had to pick that team but if he does than L.T. needs to be on it. Not saying he would have to be his Gold but he does have to be on it.

[nflhitman]

so what ur saying is that of all the seahawks teams u have created u had walter on every single one of them..no i dont think so

So I proved you wrong and your going to say this?? LOL

In league play I will have Walter Jones on my team and in non league play who cares. This league was set up to create the Superbowl / Championship teams of yesteryear and go to face 2 face and see who would win. I have never even heard of the players you had listed as your Gold players on that Giants team you posted LOL.

This league is called Americas Game and if you show me one video of 1991 Giants from the Americas Game that does not talk about Lawrence Taylor than you can have him off your team.

[nflhitman]

Some good teams still available.......

1959 Baltimore Colts

Johnny Unitas
Art Donovan
Gino Marchetti
Raymond Berry
Lenny Moore RB/WR <-- He was Roger Craig before Roger Craig.

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=BLC&lg=nfl&yr=1959

1955 Cleveland Browns

Otto Graham
Dante Lavelli
Lou Groza
Chuck Noll

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CLE&lg=nfl&yr=1955

1976 Oakland Raiders

Willie Brown
Fred Biletnikoff
Ken Stabler
Jack Tatum
Cliff Branch
Ray Guy

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=OAK&lg=nfl&yr=1976

1971 Dallas Cowboys

Roger Staubach
Mike Ditka
Bob Lilly
Mel Renfro
Charlie Watters

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1971

1977 Dallas Cowboys

Roger Staubach
Cliff Harris
Drew Pearson
Billy DuPree
Ed Too Tall Jones
Mel Renfro
Charlie Watters
Harvey Martin

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1977

1993 Dallas Cowboys

Troy Aikman
Emmitt Smith
Jay Novachek
Darryl Johnston
Alvin Harper
Ken Norton JR
Leon Lett
Tony Tolbert

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1993

1992 Buffalo Bills

James Lofton
Thurman Thomas
Andre Reed
Steve Tasker
Pete Metzelaars

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=BUF&lg=nfl&yr=1992

1985 Chicago Bears

Walter Payton
Mike Singletary
Dan Hampton
William Perry
Cliff Branch
Otis Wilson

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CHI&lg=nfl&yr=1985

[Bowdown]

I would like to play with the 1994 49rs:

QB Steve Young
WR Jerry Rice
HB Watters
TE Brent Jones
CB Deion Sanders
WR John Taylor
LB Plummer
LB Norton
FS Hanks
SS McDonald
CB Eric Davis

[nflhitman]

What team are you going to relive your glory years with?

NFLHITMAN - 1965 Green Bay Packers:

G: Ray Nitschke ILB ( Leadership Bonus, Run Coverage, Big Hit, Closing Speed, Strength Bonus )
G: Herb Adderly CB ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus, Run Coverage, Quick Feet, Return Specialist )
S: Bart Starr QB
S: Willie Wood FS ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus )
S: Paul Hornung RB ( Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
B: Boyd Dowler WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Max McGee WR ( Clutch )
B: Dave Robinson OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Tom Brown SS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Lee Roy Caffey OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Doug Hart CB ( Ball Hawk )

tjspeaks - 2000 Baltimore Ravens

G: Shannon Sharpe TE
G: Rod Woodson CB/FS/SS
S: Ray Lewis ILB ( Quick Feet, Leadership Bonus )
S: Ben Coats TE
S: Trent Dilfer QB ( Laser Arm, Rocket Arm )
B: Chris McAlister CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Jamal Lewis RB ( Finesse & Power )
B: Duane Starks CB ( Quick Feet )
B: Matt Stover K ( Accuracy )
B: Kim Herring S ( Closing Speed )
B: Peter Boulware OLB ( Pass Rush Bonus )


iamsoonersam - 1999 St. Louis Rams

G: Marshall Faulk RB ( Cutback Ability, Quick Feet, Finesse, Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
G: Isaac Bruce WR ( Soft Hands, Mr 3rd Down, Deep Threat, Possession Receiver, Break Away Burst )
S: Kurt Warner QB ( Laser Arm, Clutch )
S: Kevin Carter DE ( Pass Rush Bonus, Club )
S: Torry Holt WR ( Speed Burner, Quick Feet )
B: London Fletcher ILB ( Run Coverage )
B: Az-Zahir Hakim WR/KR/PR ( Break Away Burst )
B: Orlando Pace T ( Stone Wall )
B: Todd Lyght CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Mike Jones OLB ( Wrap up Tackler )
B: Billy Jenkins SS ( Closing Speed )

FLAxWLESS - 2002 Oakland Raiders

G: Rick Gannon QB ( Scrambler, Quick Feet, Leadership Bonus, Laser Arm, Deception )
G: Charlie Garner ( Break Away Burst, Finesse, Cutback Ability, Quick Feet, Soft Hands )
S: Jerry Rice WR ( Route God, Soft Hands )
S: Tim Brown WR ( Tough in the Middle, Possession Receiver )
S: Rod Woodson FS ( Leadership Bonus, Coverage Bonus )
B: Jerry Porter WR ( Acrobatic Catches )
B: Charles Woodson CB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Tory James CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Bill Romanowski ILB ( Run Coverage )
B: Eric Barton OLB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Sam Adams DT ( Club )

Funky Rezident - 1998 Denver Broncos

G: #87 Easy Ed McCaffrey WR 6-5 215 Stanford (Leadership,Soft Hands,Tough in the middle,Strength,Clutch)
G: #30 Terrell Davis RB 5-11 210 Georgia (Speed burner,Strength,Quickfeet,Cutback ability,Power)
S:#84 Shannon Sharpe TE 6-2 230 Savannah State(Route god, Speed Burner)
S: #80 Rod Smith WR 6-0 200 Missouri Southern (Deep Threat,Breakaway burst)
S: #7 John Elway QB 6-3 215 38 16 Stanford (Laser Arm, Strength)
B: #93 Trevor Pryce DE 6-5 295 Clemson (Club)
B: #90 Neil Smith DE 6-4 270 32 11 Nebraska (Rip)
B: #53 Bill Romanowski LB 6-4 245 Boston College (Coverage)
B: #20 Tory James CB 6-1 195 Louisiana State (Coverage)
B: #21 Darrien Gordon CB 5-11 192 Stanford (Speed Burner)
B: #27 Steve A****er SS 6-3 220 Arkansas (Run Coverage)

NYGiants79 - 1986 NY Giants

G: Lawrence Taylor OLB ( Pass Rush Bonus, Sack Master, Speed Burner, Quick Feet, Ball Strip )
G: Mark Bavarro TE ( Bull Dozer, Battering Ram, Strength Bonus, Tough in the Middle, Possession Receiver )
S: Phil Simms QB ( Leadership Bonus, Laser Arm )
S: Harry Carson ILB
S: Joe Morris RB ( Break Away Burst, Finesse )
B: George Martin DE ( Club )
B: Jim Burt NT ( Run Coverage )
B: Leonard Marshall DE
B: Carl Banks OLB
B: Thomas " Pepper " Johnson ILB
B: Terry Kinard FS (Closing Speed)

twosilk32811 - 1972 Miami Dolphins

G: Mercury Morris RB ( Cutback Ability, Stamina Bonus, Soft Hands, Finesse, Return Specialist )
G: Paul Warfield WR ( Speed Burner, Acrobatic Catches, Quick Feet, Mr. 3rd Down, Clutch )
S: D|ck Anderson SS
S: Nick Buoniconti ILB
S: Earl Morrall QB ( Scrambler, Rocket Arm )
B: Garo Yepremian K
B: Jake Scott FS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Doug Swift OLB ( Wrap up Tackler )
B: Tim Foley CB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Howard Twilley WR ( Possession Receiver )
B: Manny Fernandez DT ( Strength Bonus )

NY KIA - 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

G: Warren Sapp DT ( Quick Feet, Club, Sack Master, Pass Rush Bonus, Leadership Bonus )
G: Derrick Brooks OLB ( Coverage Bonus, Quick Feet, Run Coverage, Closing Speed, Ball Hawk )
S: Simeon Rice DE ( Rip, Speed Burner )
S: Ronde Barber CB ( Clutch, Run Coverage )
S: John Lynch FS ( Run Reader, Big Hit )
B: Shelton Quarles OLB ( Closing Speed )
B: Brian Kelly CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Brad Johnson QB ( Laser Arm )
B: Mike Alstott FB/RB ( Battering Ram )
B: Keenan McCardell WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Keyshawn Johnson WR ( Tough in the Middle )

LeeroyJenkyns - 1983 Oakland Raiders

G: Marcus Allen RB
G: Mike Haynes CB
S: Van Mcelroy FS
S: Lester Hayes CB
S: Todd Christiansen
B: Jim Plunkett QB ( ?????? )
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Matt Millen ILB ( ????? )
B: Rod Martin OLB ( ????? )
B: Mike Davis SS ( ????? )
B: Howie Long DE ( ????? )

NYYanksSuck04 - 1989 San Francisco 49ers

G: Jerry Rice WR
G: Ronnie Lott FS
S: Joe Montana QB ( Laser Arm, Leadership)
S: Roger Craig RB
S: Don Griffin CB (Ball Hawk, Footsteps)
B: Tom Rathman FB
B: John Taylor WR
B: Brent Jones TE (Possesion Reciever)
B: Darryl Pollard CB (Coverage Bonus)
B: Charles Haley OLB (Closing Speed)
B: Bill Romanowski ILB (Run Reader)

Bowdown - 1994 San Francisco 49ers

G: Jerry Rice WR
G: Steve Young QB
S: Brent Jones TE
S: Ricky Watters RB
S: Deion Sanders CB ( ????? )
B: Gary Plummer OLB
B: John Taylor WR
B: Ken Norton ILB
B: Merton Hanks FS ( ????? )
B: Tim McDonald SS ( ????? )
B: Eric Davis CB ( ????? )

[Gunther]

1985 Chicago Bears

Walter Payton
Mike Singletary
Dan Hampton
William Perry
Cliff Branch
Otis Wilson

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CHI&lg=nfl&yr=1985
I think you meant Willie Gault not Cliff Branch

[nflhitman]

Some good teams still available.......

1959 Baltimore Colts

Johnny Unitas
Art Donovan
Gino Marchetti
Raymond Berry
Lenny Moore RB/WR <-- He was Roger Craig before Roger Craig.

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=BLC&lg=nfl&yr=1959

1955 Cleveland Browns

Otto Graham
Dante Lavelli
Lou Groza
Chuck Noll

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CLE&lg=nfl&yr=1955

1976 Oakland Raiders

Willie Brown
Fred Biletnikoff
Ken Stabler
Jack Tatum
Cliff Branch
Ray Guy

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=OAK&lg=nfl&yr=1976

1971 Dallas Cowboys

Roger Staubach
Mike Ditka
Bob Lilly
Mel Renfro
Charlie Watters

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1971

1977 Dallas Cowboys

Roger Staubach
Cliff Harris
Drew Pearson
Billy DuPree
Ed Too Tall Jones
Mel Renfro
Charlie Watters
Harvey Martin

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1977

1993 Dallas Cowboys

Troy Aikman
Emmitt Smith
Jay Novachek
Darryl Johnston
Alvin Harper
Ken Norton JR
Leon Lett
Tony Tolbert

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1993

1992 Buffalo Bills

James Lofton
Thurman Thomas
Andre Reed
Steve Tasker
Pete Metzelaars

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=BUF&lg=nfl&yr=1992

1985 Chicago Bears

Walter Payton
Mike Singletary
Dan Hampton
William Perry
Willie Gault
Otis Wilson

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CHI&lg=nfl&yr=1985

[Bowdown]

anyone can help me locate 1994 49rs team code that works?

[nflhitman]

anyone can help me locate 1994 49rs team code that works?

1994 San Francisco 49ers

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk254/sega2k/DSC00266.jpg[/QUOTE]

[ElGreazy78]

Really So in amid league " NFL 2K8 " League where Walter is my Gold and the only league where I have the Seahawks in makes your post kind of pointless huh?
He's got a point there, in fact, Hitman has 2-4 players on the o & d-lines for that team which puts him in an uphill battle from the start, so you have to respect someone who's playing the game for the fun of it and not building a team to win.

[ElGreazy78]

I want the 93' Cowboys, I wish they weren't so top heavy on offense, but the way the in-Legend players are tiered, I have no choice.

Unless someone takes a real exception to it, I may flip flop Troy Aikman (G) & Michael Irvin (S) in tiers. While both are clearly Gold level players, statistically that year Irvin was much more dominate in every aspect of the game, while Aikman was great but his stats were not out of this world. Irvin was top 3 in almost every important statistical category for a WR, plus he was the leader of those Cowboys teams.

93 Cowboys
G: Troy Aikman QB*
G: Emmitt Smith RB

S: Daryl Johnston FB
S: Michael Irvin WR (CAP)*
S: Jay Novacek TE

B: Alvin Harper WR
B: Leon Lett DT
B: Ken Norton Jr ILB
B: Larry Brown CB (CAP)
B: Kevin Smith CB (CAP)
B: Darren Woodson SS (CAP)

[twosilk]

I think every team needs to be reviewed for accuracy because some of these teams look a little funny, and I have to have larry little then the ravens should have to have jonathan ogden as long as the policy is league wide I have no problem with it, but don't bring me into this oregon soap opera, my original team build had larry little on it, but I removed him

[Khan Lives]

How did u find those attributes for the 85 Bears? Or can you make the team how u want?

[nflhitman]

I want the 93' Cowboys, I wish they weren't so top heavy on offense, but the way the in-Legend players are tiered, I have no choice.

Unless someone takes a real exception to it, I may flip flop Troy Aikman (G) & Michael Irvin (S) in tiers. While both are clearly Gold level players, statistically that year Irvin was much more dominate in every aspect of the game, while Aikman was great but his stats were not out of this world. Irvin was top 3 in almost every important statistical category for a WR, plus he was the leader of those Cowboys teams.

93 Cowboys
G: Troy Aikman QB*
G: Emmitt Smith RB

S: Daryl Johnston FB
S: Michael Irvin WR (CAP)*
S: Jay Novacek TE

B: Alvin Harper WR
B: Leon Lett DT
B: Ken Norton Jr ILB
B: Larry Brown CB (CAP)
B: Kevin Smith CB (CAP)
B: Darren Woodson SS (CAP)

That is fine, You can change players tiers but if you change the tier of a player in the game he has to have the attributes the game gave him. So if you move Troy down to silver you must give 2 of the attributes he has as a gold.

[nflhitman]

I think every team needs to be reviewed for accuracy because some of these teams look a little funny, and I have to have larry little then the ravens should have to have jonathan ogden as long as the policy is league wide I have no problem with it, but don't bring me into this oregon soap opera, my original team build had larry little on it, but I removed him

I only brought you up about Larry Little because vegas96 brought up how he has to have L.T. but you didnt have to have Larry Little. If look over his post you will find where he stated that.

[amid]

I think every team needs to be reviewed for accuracy because some of these teams look a little funny, and I have to have larry little then the ravens should have to have jonathan ogden as long as the policy is league wide I have no problem with it, but don't bring me into this oregon soap opera, my original team build had larry little on it, but I removed him
Ogden would be a gold... I wouldn't waste a bronze pick on an Olineman.

[nflhitman]

How did u find those attributes for the 85 Bears? Or can you make the team how u want?

I made that teams thread to show how many of that superbowl teams player are in the game incase people were looking at that because they didnt want to create CAPS. You don't have to use those players for the Bears but you must use Starters from that bears team. When I created that Bears team I made Richard Dent my Gold along with Silgletary and dropped Walter Payton down to the Silver tier and gave him Leadership and Finesse & Power. Just to give you an idea of how I did it.

[nflhitman]

Ogden would be a gold... I wouldn't waste a bronze pick on an Olineman.

The reason I had no problem with Ogden not being on that team was because that Ravens team was not known for a left tackle even as great as he is. That team had one of the best defenses the NFL had ever seen. I would have to say that the offense of the 2000 Ravens was not known except for the load mouth of Shannon Sharpe. They were in there not to make a mistake and let the Defense win the game for them. If I was the 2000 Ravens I would have made the team this way....

G: Ray Ray Lewis ILB ( Leadership Bonus, Run Coverage, Loose Ball Magnet, Coverage Bonus, Closing Speed )
G: Rod Woodson FS
S: Shannon Sharpe TE ( Speed Burner, Route God )
S: Chris McCalister CB ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus )
S: Peter Boulware OLB ( Pass Rush Bonus, Closing Speed )
B: Trent Dilfer QB ( Leadership Bonus or Laser Arm )
B: Jamal Lewis RB ( Finesse & Power )
B: Jamie Sharper OLB ( Run Reader )
B: Duane Starke CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Qadry Ismail WR ( Speed Burner )

way tjspeaks likes his team would be a little different.....

G: Ray Ray Lewis ILB ( Leadership Bonus, Run Coverage, Loose Ball Magnet, Coverage Bonus, Closing Speed )
G: Rod Woodson FS
S: Shannon Sharpe TE ( Speed Burner, Route God )
S: Chris McCalister CB ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus )
S: Peter Boulware OLB ( Pass Rush Bonus, Closing Speed )
B: Trent Dilfer QB ( Leadership Bonus or Laser Arm )
B: Matt Stover K ( Kick Accuracy )
B: Jamie Sharper OLB ( Run Reader )
B: Duane Starke CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Qadry Ismail WR ( Speed Burner )

Not saying he has to take my suggestion but thats is how I would invision that team with only 11 spots available to make the players.

[twosilk]

Ogden would be a gold... I wouldn't waste a bronze pick on an Olineman.

ok that was my point, ogden was probably their best offensive player, along with ismail and you chose not to use them, so we either build the teams the way we want, or have set guidelines

[nflhitman]

What team are you going to relive your glory years with?

NFLHITMAN - 1965 Green Bay Packers:

G: Ray Nitschke ILB ( Leadership Bonus, Run Coverage, Big Hit, Closing Speed, Strength Bonus )
G: Herb Adderly CB ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus, Run Coverage, Quick Feet, Return Specialist )
S: Bart Starr QB
S: Willie Wood FS ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus )
S: Paul Hornung RB ( Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
B: Boyd Dowler WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Max McGee WR ( Clutch )
B: Dave Robinson OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Tom Brown SS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Lee Roy Caffey OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Doug Hart CB ( Ball Hawk )

tjspeaks - 2000 Baltimore Ravens

G: Shannon Sharpe TE
G: Rod Woodson CB/FS/SS
S: Ray Lewis ILB ( Quick Feet, Leadership Bonus )
S: Ben Coats TE
S: Trent Dilfer QB ( Laser Arm, Rocket Arm )
B: Chris McAlister CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Jamal Lewis RB ( Finesse & Power )
B: Duane Starks CB ( Quick Feet )
B: Matt Stover K ( Accuracy )
B: Kim Herring S ( Closing Speed )
B: Peter Boulware OLB ( Pass Rush Bonus )


iamsoonersam - 1999 St. Louis Rams

G: Marshall Faulk RB ( Cutback Ability, Quick Feet, Finesse, Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
G: Isaac Bruce WR ( Soft Hands, Mr 3rd Down, Deep Threat, Possession Receiver, Break Away Burst )
S: Kurt Warner QB ( Laser Arm, Clutch )
S: Kevin Carter DE ( Pass Rush Bonus, Club )
S: Torry Holt WR ( Speed Burner, Quick Feet )
B: London Fletcher ILB ( Run Coverage )
B: Az-Zahir Hakim WR/KR/PR ( Break Away Burst )
B: Orlando Pace T ( Stone Wall )
B: Todd Lyght CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Mike Jones OLB ( Wrap up Tackler )
B: Billy Jenkins SS ( Closing Speed )

FLAxWLESS - 2002 Oakland Raiders

G: Rick Gannon QB ( Scrambler, Quick Feet, Leadership Bonus, Laser Arm, Deception )
G: Charlie Garner ( Break Away Burst, Finesse, Cutback Ability, Quick Feet, Soft Hands )
S: Jerry Rice WR ( Route God, Soft Hands )
S: Tim Brown WR ( Tough in the Middle, Possession Receiver )
S: Rod Woodson FS ( Leadership Bonus, Coverage Bonus )
B: Jerry Porter WR ( Acrobatic Catches )
B: Charles Woodson CB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Tory James CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Bill Romanowski ILB ( Run Coverage )
B: Eric Barton OLB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Sam Adams DT ( Club )

Funky Rezident - 1998 Denver Broncos

G: #87 Easy Ed McCaffrey WR 6-5 215 Stanford (Leadership,Soft Hands,Tough in the middle,Strength,Clutch)
G: #30 Terrell Davis RB 5-11 210 Georgia (Speed burner,Strength,Quickfeet,Cutback ability,Power)
S:#84 Shannon Sharpe TE 6-2 230 Savannah State(Route god, Speed Burner)
S: #80 Rod Smith WR 6-0 200 Missouri Southern (Deep Threat,Breakaway burst)
S: #7 John Elway QB 6-3 215 38 16 Stanford (Laser Arm, Strength)
B: #93 Trevor Pryce DE 6-5 295 Clemson (Club)
B: #90 Neil Smith DE 6-4 270 32 11 Nebraska (Rip)
B: #53 Bill Romanowski LB 6-4 245 Boston College (Coverage)
B: #20 Tory James CB 6-1 195 Louisiana State (Coverage)
B: #21 Darrien Gordon CB 5-11 192 Stanford (Speed Burner)
B: #27 Steve A****er SS 6-3 220 Arkansas (Run Coverage)

NYGiants79 - 1986 NY Giants

G: Lawrence Taylor OLB ( Pass Rush Bonus, Sack Master, Speed Burner, Quick Feet, Ball Strip )
G: Mark Bavarro TE ( Bull Dozer, Battering Ram, Strength Bonus, Tough in the Middle, Possession Receiver )
S: Phil Simms QB ( Leadership Bonus, Laser Arm )
S: Harry Carson ILB
S: Joe Morris RB ( Break Away Burst, Finesse )
B: George Martin DE ( Club )
B: Jim Burt NT ( Run Coverage )
B: Leonard Marshall DE
B: Carl Banks OLB
B: Thomas " Pepper " Johnson ILB
B: Terry Kinard FS (Closing Speed)

twosilk32811 - 1972 Miami Dolphins

G: Mercury Morris RB ( Cutback Ability, Stamina Bonus, Soft Hands, Finesse, Return Specialist )
G: Paul Warfield WR ( Speed Burner, Acrobatic Catches, Quick Feet, Mr. 3rd Down, Clutch )
S: D|ck Anderson SS
S: Nick Buoniconti ILB
S: Earl Morrall QB ( Scrambler, Rocket Arm )
B: Garo Yepremian K
B: Jake Scott FS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Doug Swift OLB ( Wrap up Tackler )
B: Tim Foley CB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Howard Twilley WR ( Possession Receiver )
B: Manny Fernandez DT ( Strength Bonus )

NY KIA - 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

G: Warren Sapp DT ( Quick Feet, Club, Sack Master, Pass Rush Bonus, Leadership Bonus )
G: Derrick Brooks OLB ( Coverage Bonus, Quick Feet, Run Coverage, Closing Speed, Ball Hawk )
S: Simeon Rice DE ( Rip, Speed Burner )
S: Ronde Barber CB ( Clutch, Run Coverage )
S: John Lynch FS ( Run Reader, Big Hit )
B: Shelton Quarles OLB ( Closing Speed )
B: Brian Kelly CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Brad Johnson QB ( Laser Arm )
B: Mike Alstott FB/RB ( Battering Ram )
B: Keenan McCardell WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Keyshawn Johnson WR ( Tough in the Middle )

LeeroyJenkyns - 1983 Oakland Raiders

G: Marcus Allen RB
G: Mike Haynes CB
S: Van Mcelroy FS
S: Lester Hayes CB
S: Todd Christiansen
B: Jim Plunkett QB ( ?????? )
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Matt Millen ILB ( ????? )
B: Rod Martin OLB ( ????? )
B: Mike Davis SS ( ????? )
B: Howie Long DE ( ????? )

NYYanksSuck04 - 1989 San Francisco 49ers

G: Jerry Rice WR
G: Ronnie Lott FS
S: Joe Montana QB ( Laser Arm, Leadership)
S: Roger Craig RB
S: Don Griffin CB (Ball Hawk, Footsteps)
B: Tom Rathman FB
B: John Taylor WR
B: Brent Jones TE (Possesion Reciever)
B: Darryl Pollard CB (Coverage Bonus)
B: Charles Haley OLB (Closing Speed)
B: Bill Romanowski ILB (Run Reader)

Bowdown - 1994 San Francisco 49ers

G: Jerry Rice WR
G: Steve Young QB
S: Brent Jones TE
S: Ricky Watters RB
S: Deion Sanders CB ( ????? )
B: Gary Plummer OLB
B: John Taylor WR
B: Ken Norton ILB
B: Merton Hanks FS ( ????? )
B: Tim McDonald SS ( ????? )
B: Eric Davis CB ( ????? )

1993 Dallas Cowboys

G: Michael Irvin WR ( ????? )
G: Emmitt Smith RB
S: Daryl Johnston FB
S: Troy Aikman QB ( ????? )
S: Jay Novacek TE
B: Alvin Harper WR
B: Leon Lett DT
B: Ken Norton Jr ILB
B: Larry Brown CB (?????)
B: Kevin Smith CB (?????)
B: Darren Woodson SS (?????)

[nflhitman]

ok that was my point, ogden was probably their best offensive player, along with ismail and you chose not to use them, so we either build the teams the way we want, or have set guidelines

There are set guidelines and tjspeaks has followed them.

You have to use Starters and you have to make sure the face of that Superbowl team is on that team. If you made the Dolphins without Little that would not have been an issue for me at all. If I was to create the 2005 Seahawks than Steve Hutchinson and Walter Jones IMO would have had to be on it because they were being treated like rock stars in the press and thats why my 2005 Seahawks team that I posted looked like this.

G: Shaun Alexander RB
G: Lofa Tatupu ILB
S: Matt Hasselbeck QB
S: Marcus Trufant CB
S: Darrell Jackson WR
B: Walter Jones T
B: Steve Hutchinson G
B: Mack Strong FB
B: Michael Boulware SS
B: Joe Jurevicius WR
B: Andre Dyson CB

[nflhitman]

What team are you going to relive your glory years with?

NFLHITMAN - 1965 Green Bay Packers:

G: Ray Nitschke ILB ( Leadership Bonus, Run Coverage, Big Hit, Closing Speed, Strength Bonus )
G: Herb Adderly CB ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus, Run Coverage, Quick Feet, Return Specialist )
S: Bart Starr QB
S: Willie Wood FS ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus )
S: Paul Hornung RB ( Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
B: Boyd Dowler WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Max McGee WR ( Clutch )
B: Dave Robinson OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Tom Brown SS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Lee Roy Caffey OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Doug Hart CB ( Ball Hawk )

tjspeaks - 2000 Baltimore Ravens

G: Shannon Sharpe TE
G: Rod Woodson CB/FS/SS
S: Ray Lewis ILB ( Quick Feet, Leadership Bonus )
S: Ben Coats TE
S: Trent Dilfer QB ( Laser Arm, Rocket Arm )
B: Chris McAlister CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Jamal Lewis RB ( Finesse & Power )
B: Duane Starks CB ( Quick Feet )
B: Matt Stover K ( Accuracy )
B: Kim Herring S ( Closing Speed )
B: Peter Boulware OLB ( Pass Rush Bonus )


iamsoonersam - 1999 St. Louis Rams

G: Marshall Faulk RB ( Cutback Ability, Quick Feet, Finesse, Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
G: Isaac Bruce WR ( Soft Hands, Mr 3rd Down, Deep Threat, Possession Receiver, Break Away Burst )
S: Kurt Warner QB ( Laser Arm, Clutch )
S: Kevin Carter DE ( Pass Rush Bonus, Club )
S: Torry Holt WR ( Speed Burner, Quick Feet )
B: London Fletcher ILB ( Run Coverage )
B: Az-Zahir Hakim WR/KR/PR ( Break Away Burst )
B: Orlando Pace T ( Stone Wall )
B: Todd Lyght CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Mike Jones OLB ( Wrap up Tackler )
B: Billy Jenkins SS ( Closing Speed )

FLAxWLESS - 2002 Oakland Raiders

G: Rick Gannon QB ( Scrambler, Quick Feet, Leadership Bonus, Laser Arm, Deception )
G: Charlie Garner ( Break Away Burst, Finesse, Cutback Ability, Quick Feet, Soft Hands )
S: Jerry Rice WR ( Route God, Soft Hands )
S: Tim Brown WR ( Tough in the Middle, Possession Receiver )
S: Rod Woodson FS ( Leadership Bonus, Coverage Bonus )
B: Jerry Porter WR ( Acrobatic Catches )
B: Charles Woodson CB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Tory James CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Bill Romanowski ILB ( Run Coverage )
B: Eric Barton OLB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Sam Adams DT ( Club )

Funky Rezident - 1998 Denver Broncos

G: #87 Easy Ed McCaffrey WR 6-5 215 Stanford (Leadership,Soft Hands,Tough in the middle,Strength,Clutch)
G: #30 Terrell Davis RB 5-11 210 Georgia (Speed burner,Strength,Quickfeet,Cutback ability,Power)
S:#84 Shannon Sharpe TE 6-2 230 Savannah State(Route god, Speed Burner)
S: #80 Rod Smith WR 6-0 200 Missouri Southern (Deep Threat,Breakaway burst)
S: #7 John Elway QB 6-3 215 38 16 Stanford (Laser Arm, Strength)
B: #93 Trevor Pryce DE 6-5 295 Clemson (Club)
B: #90 Neil Smith DE 6-4 270 32 11 Nebraska (Rip)
B: #53 Bill Romanowski LB 6-4 245 Boston College (Coverage)
B: #20 Tory James CB 6-1 195 Louisiana State (Coverage)
B: #21 Darrien Gordon CB 5-11 192 Stanford (Speed Burner)
B: #27 Steve A****er SS 6-3 220 Arkansas (Run Coverage)

twosilk32811 - 1972 Miami Dolphins

G: Mercury Morris RB ( Cutback Ability, Stamina Bonus, Soft Hands, Finesse, Return Specialist )
G: Paul Warfield WR ( Speed Burner, Acrobatic Catches, Quick Feet, Mr. 3rd Down, Clutch )
S: D|ck Anderson SS
S: Nick Buoniconti ILB
S: Earl Morrall QB ( Scrambler, Rocket Arm )
B: Garo Yepremian K
B: Jake Scott FS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Doug Swift OLB ( Wrap up Tackler )
B: Tim Foley CB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Howard Twilley WR ( Possession Receiver )
B: Manny Fernandez DT ( Strength Bonus )

NY KIA - 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

G: Warren Sapp DT ( Quick Feet, Club, Sack Master, Pass Rush Bonus, Leadership Bonus )
G: Derrick Brooks OLB ( Coverage Bonus, Quick Feet, Run Coverage, Closing Speed, Ball Hawk )
S: Simeon Rice DE ( Rip, Speed Burner )
S: Ronde Barber CB ( Clutch, Run Coverage )
S: John Lynch FS ( Run Reader, Big Hit )
B: Shelton Quarles OLB ( Closing Speed )
B: Brian Kelly CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Brad Johnson QB ( Laser Arm )
B: Mike Alstott FB/RB ( Battering Ram )
B: Keenan McCardell WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Keyshawn Johnson WR ( Tough in the Middle )

LeeroyJenkyns - 1983 Oakland Raiders

G: Marcus Allen RB
G: Mike Haynes CB
S: Van Mcelroy FS
S: Lester Hayes CB
S: Todd Christiansen
B: Jim Plunkett QB ( ?????? )
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Matt Millen ILB ( ????? )
B: Rod Martin OLB ( ????? )
B: Mike Davis SS ( ????? )
B: Howie Long DE ( ????? )

NYYanksSuck04 - 1989 San Francisco 49ers

G: Jerry Rice WR
G: Ronnie Lott FS
S: Joe Montana QB ( Laser Arm, Leadership)
S: Roger Craig RB
S: Don Griffin CB (Ball Hawk, Footsteps)
B: Tom Rathman FB
B: John Taylor WR
B: Brent Jones TE (Possesion Reciever)
B: Darryl Pollard CB (Coverage Bonus)
B: Charles Haley OLB (Closing Speed)
B: Bill Romanowski ILB (Run Reader)

Bowdown - 1994 San Francisco 49ers

G: Jerry Rice WR
G: Steve Young QB
S: Brent Jones TE
S: Ricky Watters RB
S: Deion Sanders CB ( ????? )
B: Gary Plummer OLB
B: John Taylor WR
B: Ken Norton ILB
B: Merton Hanks FS ( ????? )
B: Tim McDonald SS ( ????? )
B: Eric Davis CB ( ????? )

1993 Dallas Cowboys

G: Michael Irvin WR ( ????? )
G: Emmitt Smith RB
S: Daryl Johnston FB
S: Troy Aikman QB ( ????? )
S: Jay Novacek TE
B: Alvin Harper WR
B: Leon Lett DT
B: Ken Norton Jr ILB
B: Larry Brown CB (?????)
B: Kevin Smith CB (?????)
B: Darren Woodson SS (?????)

[nflhitman]

Some good teams still available.......

1959 Baltimore Colts

Johnny Unitas
Art Donovan
Gino Marchetti
Raymond Berry
Lenny Moore RB/WR <-- He was Roger Craig before Roger Craig.

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=BLC&lg=nfl&yr=1959

1955 Cleveland Browns

Otto Graham
Dante Lavelli
Lou Groza
Chuck Noll

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CLE&lg=nfl&yr=1955

1976 Oakland Raiders

Willie Brown
Fred Biletnikoff
Ken Stabler
Jack Tatum
Cliff Branch
Ray Guy

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=OAK&lg=nfl&yr=1976

1971 Dallas Cowboys

Roger Staubach
Mike Ditka
Bob Lilly
Mel Renfro
Charlie Watters

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1971

1977 Dallas Cowboys

Roger Staubach
Cliff Harris
Drew Pearson
Billy DuPree
Ed Too Tall Jones
Mel Renfro
Charlie Watters
Harvey Martin

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1977

1993 Dallas Cowboys <---- Taken by El Greazy

Troy Aikman
Emmitt Smith
Jay Novachek
Darryl Johnston
Alvin Harper
Ken Norton JR
Leon Lett
Tony Tolbert

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=DAL&lg=nfl&yr=1993

1992 Buffalo Bills

James Lofton
Thurman Thomas
Andre Reed
Steve Tasker
Pete Metzelaars

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=BUF&lg=nfl&yr=1992

1985 Chicago Bears

Walter Payton
Mike Singletary
Dan Hampton
William Perry
Willie Gault
Otis Wilson

http://www.databasefootball.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=CHI&lg=nfl&yr=1985

[nflhitman]

We have 12 guys now so I will give us until 8 pm pst tonight to see if anyone else want to join. I will have the league ready to join no matter what at 9pm pst.

Get your Popcorn READY!

[nflhitman]

League has been created and I need you to join ASAP!

League name: Americas Game

Password: 123

Remember that I need your team to be 100% correct and

accurate. I will check your team for correct Height,

Weight, and Attributes you have.

[Bowdown]

I had a scrimmigae with Lester and considering downgrading QB Young, TE Jones and upgrading Sanders and CB Davis

[Bowdown]

WTF???? I am not seeing my post till after a few minutes???

[GrrrillaPmp]

wait so i'm not in? I did forget to post my team cuz i'm still tweaking it.

[FunkyRezident]

I've taken off strength and added acrobatic catches for gold Mccaffery.

[twosilk]

wait so i'm not in? I did forget to post my team cuz i'm still tweaking it.

you can have my spot if you want it, may not be able to commit to this league, but it is up to hitman

[Bowdown]

I joined, downgraded Young to silver and upgraded sanders to gold.

[nflhitman]

There is something wrong with this forum. It wont show up to date post unless you go into the thread and refresh it once your in it.

I have no problem with Grrrila taking your spot twosilk but I would rather have you.

If you didnt post a team Grrrrila than you didnt get in. I set it up for 12 teams because we only had 12 teams posted and the thread was up for a week.

[nflhitman]

League has been created and I need you to join ASAP!

League name: Americas Game

Password: 123

Remember that I need your team to be 100% correct and

accurate. I will check your team for correct Height,

Weight, and Attributes you have.

[FLAxWLESS]

Joined. Took all my heights/weights from pro-football reference except for Sam Adams who was listed at 6-3 295!!! on pro-football reference.

Sam Adams probably wasn't 295 since he was in high school.... checked NFL.com and they had him listed at 6-3, 350. Which is what I remember the big guy being... possibly even more than 350.

[nyknicks33]

I joined. This should be an interesting one.

[amid]

one edit: Jamal Lewis - strength

[nflhitman]

Joined. Took all my heights/weights from pro-football reference except for Sam Adams who was listed at 6-3 295!!! on pro-football reference.

Sam Adams probably wasn't 295 since he was in high school.... checked NFL.com and they had him listed at 6-3, 350. Which is what I remember the big guy being... possibly even more than 350.

Sam Adams at 295 LOL. Yea 350 - 380 would be more like it.

[nflhitman]

Is everyone else having problems with the front page of the forums not updating post or is it just me?

[amid]

yes, it takes a little while to update

[amid]

joined... just 5 more left

[ElGreazy78]

Just joined. Let's do this thing! :)

[nflhitman]

League has been created and I need you to join ASAP!

League name: Americas Game

Password: 123

Remember that I need your team to be 100% correct and

accurate. I will check your team for correct Height,

Weight, and Attributes you have.

[nyknicks33]

I tested my team in a random lobby game the other night. My Warren Sapp and Simeon Rice were causing major carnage. Rice was looking like a min-bethea out there..yikes.

[ElGreazy78]

What's your gamertag? Maybe we can get in a scrimmage today?


I tested mine out and I cannot for the life of me get used to a non-charged QB. Aikman has accuracy & velocity, but the lack of the vibration really throws off my timing immensly. How was he not given Laser Arm when he was considered one of the most efficient QBs in league history?

[nflhitman]

What's your gamertag? Maybe we can get in a scrimmage today?


I tested mine out and I cannot for the life of me get used to a non-charged QB. Aikman has accuracy & velocity, but the lack of the vibration really throws off my timing immensly. How was he not given Laser Arm when he was considered one of the most efficient QBs in league history?

See I would rather have a QB without Laser Arm because when you do Pump Fakes, Roll Outs, Play Action it will not allow you to charge him so you limit yourself in that aspect especially if you have a Rocket Arm QB.

[ElGreazy78]

Yeah, you got a point. I guess I'm more accustomed to the short dink n dunk passes of a West Coast Offense. Still having that rumble there to physically let you know "get rid of the ball!" is always a nice advantage.

[nyknicks33]

See I would rather have a QB without Laser Arm because when you do Pump Fakes, Roll Outs, Play Action it will not allow you to charge him so you limit yourself in that aspect especially if you have a Rocket Arm QB.

Good point. I gave Brad Johnson laser arm, and I am thinking I should have given him leadership. I rarely charge my throws anyway. It distracts me.

[nflhitman]

Good point. I gave Brad Johnson laser arm, and I am thinking I should have given him leadership. I rarely charge my throws anyway. It distracts me.

The best ability that you can have for a Bronze CAP QB is Quick Release with Leadership being a close 2nd. I don't like the quick release just because it gets the ball out quick but I like it because it is accurate, and they can throw a long ball ok.

[ElGreazy78]

What's the status of the league? Has everyone joined?

[FunkyRezident]

I'm replacing Neil smith with Kieth Traylor NT.

[nflhitman]

What's the status of the league? Has everyone joined?

We are waiting on 4 guys to join.

twosilk
NYGIANTS79
iamsoonersam
LeeroyJenkyns

I will send them messages to get there teams in but I would like if you see them online that you bug them about joining also.

[soonersam]

I will join tonight when I finish up my team.

[nflhitman]

Look for the highlighted parts for any new rules. This is just to everyone can refresh there memory on the rules.......

Here are the rules I have updated today....

League Rules updated 10-9-08

Game play:

1: Sportsmanship is a must not an option in my leagues. If your up big than run the ball and don't run the score up at all.

2: Replays are limited to 3 a half unless your opponent doesn't mind.

3: If you lose to some shady gameplay please take a day to reflect on it when your not so upset before you call someone out or send me a complaint. I will not consider your issue unless a day has passed.


Substitutions:

O-Line are interchangeable

D-Line are Interchangeable

LB are Interchangeable and LB's with a Pass Rush Attribute like Sack Master or Pass Rush can play DE in Nickle and Dime Packages.

CB, FS, & SS are all interchangeble and can play any secondary position.

RB's & FB's are interchangeable.....FB's can play at TE ala Chris Cooley.

TE's can only play at TE & WR

WR's can only play as a WR

There no 2 way players allowed at all so don't ask.


4th Down attempts:

1: 4th down and 1 or less can be attempted any where and at anytime during the game no matter the situation.

2: 4th down in between the 30 & 40 or your opponents side of the field is the gray area of the field where it is too short for a punt and too long for a FG attempt. In this situation you can go for it no matter how far the distance for a 1st down is.

3: 4th down no matter what the down and distance is when your down 21 points or more.

Blitzing:

1: 5-2 Middle LB Blitz is legal since it can be countered. Shotgun Formation, Flat to RB, Slant pass, Max Protect with RB's staying in to block, PA roll outs can counter this blitz well.

2: Secondary players blitzing can be done as much as you want as long as you are not manually controlling them at anytime during the blitz.

3: LB's can be used manually to blitz but can not move closer to line of scrimmage than they are already automatically set at.

Defensive Lineman:

1: You can use any D-Lineman but you can not use the DE to run a stunt and come in untouched at all. This is a known glitch in the game.

2: You can not move a D-Lineman manually at all whether your moving him off the line or back and into coverage before the snap of the ball.

3: D-Lineman special moves like Swim, Rip, Club, Bull Rush, and Spin are allowed and are encouraged for you to use since it is part of the game.

Motion Running:

1: You can use motion running as long as the guy you motion clears the end of the line whether it is the Tackle or TE.

2: You can not hike the ball unless your guy has cleared the end of the last person on your O-Line.

Bump Man 2 Man defense:

1: You can play this as much as you want.

2: To counter Bump man you are allowed to put your WR in motion and can snap the ball only when your WR is set 100% to get off the bump like a real NFL team would do. You do not have to wait for the CB to be set but you must allow the CB to at least get in front of the WR.

3: You can also motion your WR off the line of scrimmage to get him a free release off the line by him backing off of the LOS.

Screen passes:

1: You can not run one way and throw back the other way on a screen pass because the camera will be cut off to the point where you can not see the RB to manually cover him.

2: You are allowed 3 screen passes a half so use them wisely.

WR routes that are questionable to many players:

1: Out Routes, Hot Routed fade pattern, Middle post, Double move post should all be used in moderation. I will not ban these routes because there are ways to defend everyone of them even if you like it or not. If the out route and the hot route fade pattern is all your opponent has in his offensive arsenal than you should be able to defend it pretty easy. If you need help learning how to defend these plays or plays that work against them than let me know. Here are a few.

Defending the out route:

1: Shade your CB's to the out side in man 2 man.
2: Cover 2 Hard for short out routes with your CB's shaded to the outside.
3: Cover 2 soft for the deeper out routes with your CB's shaded to the outside.
4: Manually jumping the route and defending it.

Defending the hot route fade:

1: Man coverage on your strong side CB
2: Hot zone your Safety to a low zone.
3: Manually jumping the route and defending it.

Defending the Middle post:

1: Hot zone your safety to cover the middle of the field.
2: Hot zone your ILB to cover the deep middle.
3: Manually jumping the route and defending it.

Defending the Double Move route:

1: Cover 12
2: Manually jumping the route and defending it.

All of these issues are not as huge if you have a pass rush.

Banned plays or use of certain abilities:

1: Cadence

2: Bunny Hopping

3: Switching defenders in a Flickering kind of way as fast as you can to confuse blockers.

4: Kickoffs can not be kicked off to the side of the field to stop return man from getting to the ball at all. If you don't want him to return it than kick it out of bounds without it hitting the ground. You must kick it down the middle, or between the hashes. If your afraid of a Devin Hester than kick it out of bounds totally without any bounces.

5: Punting can not be punted short for the purpose of a muffed punt because you can not take control of your player to stop him from going for the punt.

6: No Quick Snapping allowed at all.

7: Signal Stealer attribute can not be used in league play at all. This attribute shows every assignment of every player and in real life you don't know what each player is doing. You would know what certain player would do from how they line up but not everything. Signal Stealer IMO is a APF 2K8 veteran of the game knowing what he see's and attacking it not a " B " Button.

League issues

1: You can not quit for any reason at all.

2: If there is an issue with game play contact an admin a day after your game has passed.

3: No negative feedback can be given at anytime.

[ElGreazy78]

Hitman, if the league isn't full yet I'd like to back my team out for some quick edits. I played in a scrimage last night and found some things I need to move around. I can have the team edited and ready to go by tonight.

[soonersam]

Umm sorry guys I won't be able to join till Saturday night or sunday morning at the earliest. If you want to move on I understand.

[nflhitman]

Hitman, if the league isn't full yet I'd like to back my team out for some quick edits. I played in a scrimage last night and found some things I need to move around. I can have the team edited and ready to go by tonight.

Make your changes and join back.


Soonersam I will wait for ya!

[ElGreazy78]

Thanks, mang! :) I'll get them in tonight.

Edit:
I meant I needed you to take my team off so I can load in the one with the proper build.

[nflhitman]

We are waiting on 4 guys to join.

NYGIANTS79 <---- Has some personal issues and wont be able to join so if you know someone who want in let me know.
iamsoonersam <----- Will join this weekend

I will send them messages to get there teams in but I would like if you see them online that you bug them about joining also.

After soonersam joins I will start the league with my other gamertag if no one else joins.

[nflhitman]

Umm sorry guys I won't be able to join till Saturday night or sunday morning at the earliest. If you want to move on I understand.

What the update here Soonersam?

[soonersam]

I have joined.

[nflhitman]

Cool I will set it up.

[nflhitman]

OK OK!!!!!

Before you guys say it I will say it for you.

2008 Seattle Seahawks suck really really bad!!!!!!!!!!

They are the softest team in the NFL!!

Hasselbeck can't play because his knee is sore?!?!?!?!?!?

Whatever!!

All the announcers want to talk about the offense not being healthy but what about the ****ing Defense?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[nflhitman]

League is up and ready to go!!! Who will win Americas Game Superbowl? We know all these teams have been there now who will make undeniable that they were the best there ever was?!

[nflhitman]

amid you have exceeded your PM's limit and I can not send you reply's.

[amid]

sorry - done

[Birdman1702]

After soonersam joins I will start the league with my other gamertag if no one else joins.

I'll take that last spot if it's still open....I can create my team and join tonight or tomorrow if you let me in.

I wanna run with the 91 Washington Redskins....here is the team I was thinking of (I'll update this post with abilities later tonight.

Gold:
Art Monk WR (Possession Receiver, Tough in the Middle, Soft Hands, Bump Buster, Quick Feet)
Darrell Green CB (Speed Burner, Closing Speed, Quick Feet, Coverage Bonus, Return Specialist, Leadership Bonus, Hops) pick 5

Silver:
Gary Clark WR (in the game)
Charles Mann DE (Pass Rush Bonus, Rip)
Martin Mayhew CB (Coverage Bonus, Hops)

Bronze:
Mark Rypien QB (in the game)
Ricky Sanders (in the game)
Earnest Byner RB (Quick Feet)
Wilbur Marshall OLB (Pass Rush Bonus)
Matt Millen ILB (Run Coverage)
Brad Edwards FS (Quick Feet)

I think I got all the major guys, but let me know if there are any key players I've left out.

[Birdman1702]

League is up and ready to go!!! Who will win Americas Game Superbowl? We know all these teams have been there now who will make undeniable that they were the best there ever was?!

Guess I missed this post!! I guess you guy have already started. MAybe I'll make this Skins team anyway...It could be fun to run with.

[nflhitman]

Guess I missed this post!! I guess you guy have already started. MAybe I'll make this Skins team anyway...It could be fun to run with.

Sorry man it did already start. This thread has been open for new players and teams for almost 2 weeks so I had to get it started. I will let you know next season.

[Birdman1702]

Sorry man it did already start. This thread has been open for new players and teams for almost 2 weeks so I had to get it started. I will let you know next season.

It's no big deal...I just saw that someone had to drop, so i was trying to keep you guys from being one player short, but I was a day or 2 too late. Count me in if you guys have a 2nd season.

[nflhitman]

In game adjustments that are not in your manual:

1. Defensive Hot Routing for secondary personal only - You hold down the " RB " button and press your right ananlog stick in the direction you want your defender to now cover in a zone. Example..... If you have someone running a post pattern with the TE all game long and your safties are not covering it correctly than you might want to hot route your safety to the middle zone instead of there normal deep zone. If I want my SS to cover in the middle I would hit the " RB " button, press " Y " button, and flick my right analog stick left to cover the middle zone instead of his normal deep zone.

2. Defensive Hot Routing for LB's and DE - Same thing as above but you use the " LB " button.

3. If you want to hot route a blitz - Do the same things as above but use your D pad to press in the direction you want them to blitz. If you press back on your D pad they will do a delayed blitz.

4. Secondary movements - If you hold down your " RB " button you could shade your secondary in/out/press/ or back up by using your right ananlog stick while holding down the " RB " button.

5. Linebacker movements - Same as #4 but you use the " LB " Button.

6. Flipping the direction of a play is going without flipping the whole formation - Press the " Y " button than click your right ananlog stick like a button. If you had a run going right it will now go left without any hint to the defense what you just did. Same thing with your passing routes.

7. Flipping your play to get WR routes that you cant hot route - Say you want to use a up and out pattern or a double post move for your WR on the right instead of the WR on the left. You do it by flipping the play by using the " Y " button and pressing the right analog stick like a button. Now the WR that used to have the route you wanted now has a different route. Hot route him any route you want and than hot route your RB any route you want. Now your WR on both sides will have the same route. Deadly if used right. I will break this down in a simpler form since I didnt understand how this worked when I tried it either.

7a. You come out 4 wide with a double post, fade, or up and out route for only 1 of your WR's on the outside. You would like to have this route for both WR on the outside but know it can't be done with normal hot routing.

7b. You press " Y " Button than click your right ananlog stick like a button. Now your WR that had the Double move that was on the right side now has a different route but your WR on the left side now has the Double move.

7c. To get your WR on the right to get his Double post move back with out your WR on the left side not losing it you must do this. Hot route the WR on the right to any route you want ( This will show you the route you just hot routed to ) and than hot route your RB to any route also. As soon as you hot route your RB your WR on the right will now go back to his original route which was the Double post move. If you want you can still hot route your RB a different route or your slot WR's something else also and it will not effect your WR's on the outside. The WR's will still have there Double Post routes. this will work with any route you want.

8. Hot Routing your WR/TE/FB/RB - Flick your right analog stick in the direction you want your player to go and click the button that coordinates with that player.

If you of anymore helpful hints that the manual left out please post them so everyone has the same opportunity to win in this game.

[soonersam]

Question of that nature htiman, how do you do a formation shift?
I used to know how but I don't know where my manual is and since I use the Rams I think I need to be do formation shifts to better represent the greatest show on turf.

[nflhitman]

In game adjustments that are not in your manual:

1. Defensive Hot Routing for secondary personal only - You hold down the " RB " button and press your right ananlog stick in the direction you want your defender to now cover in a zone. Example..... If you have someone running a post pattern with the TE all game long and your safties are not covering it correctly than you might want to hot route your safety to the middle zone instead of there normal deep zone. If I want my SS to cover in the middle I would hit the " RB " button, press " Y " button, and flick my right analog stick left to cover the middle zone instead of his normal deep zone.

2. Defensive Hot Routing for LB's and DE - Same thing as above but you use the " LB " button.

3. If you want to hot route a blitz - Do the same things as above but use your D pad to press in the direction you want them to blitz. If you press back on your D pad they will do a delayed blitz.

4. Secondary movements - If you hold down your " RB " button you could shade your secondary in/out/press/ or back up by using your right ananlog stick while holding down the " RB " button.

5. Linebacker movements - Same as #4 but you use the " LB " Button.

6. Flipping the direction of a play is going without flipping the whole formation - Press the " Y " button than click your right ananlog stick like a button. If you had a run going right it will now go left without any hint to the defense what you just did. Same thing with your passing routes.

7. Flipping your play to get WR routes that you cant hot route - Say you want to use a up and out pattern or a double post move for your WR on the right instead of the WR on the left. You do it by flipping the play by using the " Y " button and pressing the right analog stick like a button. Now the WR that used to have the route you wanted now has a different route. Hot route him any route you want and than hot route your RB any route you want. Now your WR on both sides will have the same route. Deadly if used right. I will break this down in a simpler form since I didnt understand how this worked when I tried it either.

7a. You come out 4 wide with a double post, fade, or up and out route for only 1 of your WR's on the outside. You would like to have this route for both WR on the outside but know it can't be done with normal hot routing.

7b. You press " Y " Button than click your right ananlog stick like a button. Now your WR that had the Double move that was on the right side now has a different route but your WR on the left side now has the Double move.

7c. To get your WR on the right to get his Double post move back with out your WR on the left side not losing it you must do this. Hot route the WR on the right to any route you want ( This will show you the route you just hot routed to ) and than hot route your RB to any route also. As soon as you hot route your RB your WR on the right will now go back to his original route which was the Double post move. If you want you can still hot route your RB a different route or your slot WR's something else also and it will not effect your WR's on the outside. The WR's will still have there Double Post routes. this will work with any route you want.

8. Hot Routing your WR/TE/FB/RB - Flick your right analog stick in the direction you want your player to go and click the button that coordinates with that player.

If you of anymore helpful hints that the manual left out please post them so everyone has the same opportunity to win in this game.

[nflhitman]

Question of that nature htiman, how do you do a formation shift?
I used to know how but I don't know where my manual is and since I use the Rams I think I need to be do formation shifts to better represent the greatest show on turf.

To do fake formation shifts you go to a formation you want to fake the look and you hit your right trigger and than go to the play and formation you reall want and pick it. When you get to the line you hit A when you want to go in to your true formation and play.

[nflhitman]

In game adjustments that are not in your manual:

1. Defensive Hot Routing for secondary personal only - You hold down the " RB " button and press your right ananlog stick in the direction you want your defender to now cover in a zone. Example..... If you have someone running a post pattern with the TE all game long and your safties are not covering it correctly than you might want to hot route your safety to the middle zone instead of there normal deep zone. If I want my SS to cover in the middle I would hit the " RB " button, press " Y " button, and flick my right analog stick left to cover the middle zone instead of his normal deep zone.

2. Defensive Hot Routing for LB's and DE - Same thing as above but you use the " LB " button. If you play a zone where your DT, DE or both drop in to coverage and you don't want them to because you want them to blitz also than you highlight those players with your player cursor and press both LB & RB buttons at the same time. This will now redirect them to blitz like everyone else.

3. If you want to hot route a blitz - Do the same things as above but use your D pad to press in the direction you want them to blitz. If you press back on your D pad they will do a delayed blitz.

4. Secondary movements - If you hold down your " RB " button you could shade your secondary in/out/press/ or back up by using your right ananlog stick while holding down the " RB " button.

5. Linebacker movements - Same as #4 but you use the " LB " Button.

6. Flipping the direction of a play is going without flipping the whole formation - Press the " Y " button than click your right ananlog stick like a button. If you had a run going right it will now go left without any hint to the defense what you just did. Same thing with your passing routes.

7. Flipping your play to get WR routes that you cant hot route - Say you want to use a up and out pattern or a double post move for your WR on the right instead of the WR on the left. You do it by flipping the play by using the " Y " button and pressing the right analog stick like a button. Now the WR that used to have the route you wanted now has a different route. Hot route him any route you want and than hot route your RB any route you want. Now your WR on both sides will have the same route. Deadly if used right. I will break this down in a simpler form since I didnt understand how this worked when I tried it either.

7a. You come out 4 wide with a double post, fade, or up and out route for only 1 of your WR's on the outside. You would like to have this route for both WR on the outside but know it can't be done with normal hot routing.

7b. You press " Y " Button than click your right ananlog stick like a button. Now your WR that had the Double move that was on the right side now has a different route but your WR on the left side now has the Double move.

7c. To get your WR on the right to get his Double post move back with out your WR on the left side not losing it you must do this. Hot route the WR on the right to any route you want ( This will show you the route you just hot routed to ) and than hot route your RB to any route also. As soon as you hot route your RB your WR on the right will now go back to his original route which was the Double post move. If you want you can still hot route your RB a different route or your slot WR's something else also and it will not effect your WR's on the outside. The WR's will still have there Double Post routes. this will work with any route you want.

8. Hot Routing your WR/TE/FB/RB - Flick your right analog stick in the direction you want your player to go and click the button that coordinates with that player.

9. Defensive lineman special moves - To use a special move that your Defensive lineman have like Club, Rip, Swim, or Bull rush than use these buttons to perform each one.

9a. Club - Hold down " A " button to charge up and than use the Left Trigger to perform the Club move.

9b. Swim - Same as above but you use the Right Trigger.

9c. Spin - Same as above but you use the Right Bumper.

9d. Rip - Same as above but you use the Left Bumper.

9e. Bull Rush - Same as above but after you charge you tap " A " button as fast as you can.

10. Fake Formation Shifts - Go to a formation you want to fake your in and press the Right Trigger. Pick the real play and formation like normal. When you come to the line of scrimmage it will have your fake formation in it. You press " A " when you want to come out of your fale formation and show your true formation. Note: This take time so leave some time on the clock for yourself because you can not hike the ball until your true formation is shown and lined up correctly.

If you of anymore helpful hints that the manual left out please post them so everyone has the same opportunity to win in this game.

[ElGreazy78]

Quick request. Can the teams, owners & rosters be updated on the first page of this thread to reflect all information? It seems some of the teams are missing.

Thnx

[nflhitman]

Quick request. Can the teams, owners & rosters be updated on the first page of this thread to reflect all information? It seems some of the teams are missing.

Thnx


Here are the teams that how they were posted. NYGianst1979 did not join so I used Battletested my sons gamertag to fill the last spot. The teams might not be 100% accurate to what is here since the only thing I checked when I looked over teams was the attributes and player on that certain team.


What team are you going to relive your glory years with?

NFLHITMAN - 1965 Green Bay Packers:

G: Ray Nitschke ILB ( Leadership Bonus, Run Coverage, Big Hit, Closing Speed, Strength Bonus )
G: Herb Adderly CB ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus, Run Coverage, Quick Feet, Return Specialist )
S: Bart Starr QB
S: Willie Wood FS ( Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus )
S: Paul Hornung RB ( Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
B: Boyd Dowler WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Max McGee WR ( Clutch )
B: Dave Robinson OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Tom Brown SS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Lee Roy Caffey OLB ( Run Coverage )
B: Doug Hart CB ( Ball Hawk )

tjspeaks - 2000 Baltimore Ravens

G: Shannon Sharpe TE
G: Rod Woodson CB/FS/SS
S: Ray Lewis ILB ( Quick Feet, Leadership Bonus )
S: Ben Coats TE
S: Trent Dilfer QB ( Laser Arm, Rocket Arm )
B: Chris McAlister CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Jamal Lewis RB ( Finesse & Power )
B: Duane Starks CB ( Quick Feet )
B: Matt Stover K ( Accuracy )
B: Kim Herring S ( Closing Speed )
B: Peter Boulware OLB ( Pass Rush Bonus )


iamsoonersam - 1999 St. Louis Rams

G: Marshall Faulk RB ( Cutback Ability, Quick Feet, Finesse, Soft Hands, Leadership Bonus )
G: Isaac Bruce WR ( Soft Hands, Mr 3rd Down, Deep Threat, Possession Receiver, Break Away Burst )
S: Kurt Warner QB ( Laser Arm, Clutch )
S: Kevin Carter DE ( Pass Rush Bonus, Club )
S: Torry Holt WR ( Speed Burner, Quick Feet )
B: London Fletcher ILB ( Run Coverage )
B: Az-Zahir Hakim WR/KR/PR ( Break Away Burst )
B: Orlando Pace T ( Stone Wall )
B: Todd Lyght CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Mike Jones OLB ( Wrap up Tackler )
B: Billy Jenkins SS ( Closing Speed )

FLAxWLESS - 2002 Oakland Raiders

G: Rick Gannon QB ( Scrambler, Quick Feet, Leadership Bonus, Laser Arm, Deception )
G: Charlie Garner ( Break Away Burst, Finesse, Cutback Ability, Quick Feet, Soft Hands )
S: Jerry Rice WR ( Route God, Soft Hands )
S: Tim Brown WR ( Tough in the Middle, Possession Receiver )
S: Rod Woodson FS ( Leadership Bonus, Coverage Bonus )
B: Jerry Porter WR ( Acrobatic Catches )
B: Charles Woodson CB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Tory James CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Bill Romanowski ILB ( Run Coverage )
B: Eric Barton OLB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Sam Adams DT ( Club )

Funky Rezident - 1998 Denver Broncos

G: #87 Easy Ed McCaffrey WR 6-5 215 Stanford (Leadership,Soft Hands,Tough in the middle,Strength,Clutch)
G: #30 Terrell Davis RB 5-11 210 Georgia (Speed burner,Strength,Quickfeet,Cutback ability,Power)
S:#84 Shannon Sharpe TE 6-2 230 Savannah State(Route god, Speed Burner)
S: #80 Rod Smith WR 6-0 200 Missouri Southern (Deep Threat,Breakaway burst)
S: #7 John Elway QB 6-3 215 38 16 Stanford (Laser Arm, Strength)
B: #93 Trevor Pryce DE 6-5 295 Clemson (Club)
B: #90 Neil Smith DE 6-4 270 32 11 Nebraska (Rip)
B: #53 Bill Romanowski LB 6-4 245 Boston College (Coverage)
B: #20 Tory James CB 6-1 195 Louisiana State (Coverage)
B: #21 Darrien Gordon CB 5-11 192 Stanford (Speed Burner)
B: #27 Steve A****er SS 6-3 220 Arkansas (Run Coverage)

twosilk32811 - 1972 Miami Dolphins

G: Mercury Morris RB ( Cutback Ability, Stamina Bonus, Soft Hands, Finesse, Return Specialist )
G: Paul Warfield WR ( Speed Burner, Acrobatic Catches, Quick Feet, Mr. 3rd Down, Clutch )
S: D|ck Anderson SS
S: Nick Buoniconti ILB
S: Earl Morrall QB ( Scrambler, Rocket Arm )
B: Garo Yepremian K
B: Jake Scott FS ( Ball Hawk )
B: Doug Swift OLB ( Wrap up Tackler )
B: Tim Foley CB ( Coverage Bonus )
B: Howard Twilley WR ( Possession Receiver )
B: Manny Fernandez DT ( Strength Bonus )

NY KIA - 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

G: Warren Sapp DT ( Quick Feet, Club, Sack Master, Pass Rush Bonus, Leadership Bonus )
G: Derrick Brooks OLB ( Coverage Bonus, Quick Feet, Run Coverage, Closing Speed, Ball Hawk )
S: Simeon Rice DE ( Rip, Speed Burner )
S: Ronde Barber CB ( Clutch, Run Coverage )
S: John Lynch FS ( Run Reader, Big Hit )
B: Shelton Quarles OLB ( Closing Speed )
B: Brian Kelly CB ( Ball Hawk )
B: Brad Johnson QB ( Laser Arm )
B: Mike Alstott FB/RB ( Battering Ram )
B: Keenan McCardell WR ( Soft Hands )
B: Keyshawn Johnson WR ( Tough in the Middle )

LeeroyJenkyns - 1983 Oakland Raiders

G: Marcus Allen RB
G: Mike Haynes CB
S: Van Mcelroy FS
S: Lester Hayes CB
S: Todd Christiansen
B: Jim Plunkett QB ( ?????? )
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Matt Millen ILB ( ????? )
B: Rod Martin OLB ( ????? )
B: Mike Davis SS ( ????? )
B: Howie Long DE ( ????? )

NYYanksSuck04 - 1989 San Francisco 49ers

G: Jerry Rice WR
G: Ronnie Lott FS
S: Joe Montana QB ( Laser Arm, Leadership)
S: Roger Craig RB
S: Don Griffin CB (Ball Hawk, Footsteps)
B: Tom Rathman FB
B: John Taylor WR
B: Brent Jones TE (Possesion Reciever)
B: Darryl Pollard CB (Coverage Bonus)
B: Charles Haley OLB (Closing Speed)
B: Bill Romanowski ILB (Run Reader)

Bowdown - 1994 San Francisco 49ers

G: Jerry Rice WR
G: Steve Young QB
S: Brent Jones TE
S: Ricky Watters RB
S: Deion Sanders CB ( ????? )
B: Gary Plummer OLB
B: John Taylor WR
B: Ken Norton ILB
B: Merton Hanks FS ( ????? )
B: Tim McDonald SS ( ????? )
B: Eric Davis CB ( ????? )

1993 Dallas Cowboys

G: Michael Irvin WR ( ????? )
G: Emmitt Smith RB
S: Daryl Johnston FB
S: Troy Aikman QB ( ????? )
S: Jay Novacek TE
B: Alvin Harper WR
B: Leon Lett DT
B: Ken Norton Jr ILB
B: Larry Brown CB (?????)
B: Kevin Smith CB (?????)
B: Darren Woodson SS (?????)

[ElGreazy78]

Thank you sir! Can't wait to get a game in, I bet these games are going to be a lot of fun. 8)

[soonersam]

Can I get an injury reset on Marshall Faulk?

[nflhitman]

All league injuries have been taken care of.

[Valdarez]

#7 probably never should have been shared. It breaks so many defenses it's not even funny. I've known about this since November of last year and never used it in a competitive game. It's not a feature of the game, but a bug that fails to cause the WR to convert back to the proper route.

[ElGreazy78]

QB - Trent Dilfer (2000 SB Ravens) - Silver
Rocket Arm AND Laser Arm

Stat Line: Playoffs
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DilfTr00_playoffs.htm

ATT/COMP: 35/73
COMP %: 48%
TOTAL YDS: 590
TD/INT: 3/1
QB RATING: 85.2

Not trying to call you out TJ/Amid, and I understand I lost the game, no big deal because it was a good game. I just have a major problem with the CAP itself. Seems completely bogus to me.

[ElGreazy78]

#7 probably never should have been shared. It breaks so many defenses it's not even funny. I've known about this since November of last year and never used it in a competitive game. It's not a feature of the game, but a bug that fails to cause the WR to convert back to the proper route.
I agree but I think most people in this league are knowledgable enough to already know.

[nflhitman]

#7 probably never should have been shared. It breaks so many defenses it's not even funny. I've known about this since November of last year and never used it in a competitive game. It's not a feature of the game, but a bug that fails to cause the WR to convert back to the proper route.

Whether you use it or not Valdarez is not the point. The point is that I believe every body whould have equal knowledge of this game. How many games have people won in league play knowing these things without telling? This just came out so this could have been used for a long time.

[amid]

QB - Trent Dilfer (2000 SB Ravens) - Silver
Rocket Arm AND Laser Arm

Stat Line: Playoffs
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DilfTr00_playoffs.htm

ATT/COMP: 35/73
COMP %: 48%
TOTAL YDS: 590
TD/INT: 3/1
QB RATING: 85.2

Not trying to call you out TJ/Amid, and I understand I lost the game, no big deal because it was a good game. I just have a major problem with the CAP itself. Seems completely bogus to me.

Last 2 games stats:
Trent Dilfer
last game: total passing yards 135 - yards after catch 82
our game: total passing yards 184 - yards after catch 84

Very realistic numbers for him. I am running the ball with Jamal Lewis and throwing short passes with Dilfer (just like the 2000 Ravens). Most of the passing yards are coming after the completion.

[nyknicks33]

Dilfer had about a 60% completion percentage that season. He wasnt asked to make difficult throws, and he never had a weak a arm.

[FLAxWLESS]

Dilfer had about a 60% completion percentage that season. He wasnt asked to make difficult throws, and he never had a weak a arm.

Doesn't mean he had a rocket arm either.

[nflhitman]

Trent Dilfer scouting report....

http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/players/Trent_Dilfer

http://www.ninersnation.com/story/2007/10/2/172048/953

Dilfer is experienced, smart and tough. He has played in numerous systems during his career. He has a three-quarters delivery but can adjust his arm angle for different routes. He is a solid technician with good mechanics. He has a good setup and delivery. He has above-average arm strength and throws with a stiff front leg. He creates enough velocity and zip to connect on deep comebacks and outside speed cuts. He can throw off his back foot when pressured. He throws a very catchable ball, allowing his receivers to realign and get upfield quickly. He has good pocket presence and can buy himself time. He is mobile enough to get outside the pocket and throw on the move. But Dilfer sometimes holds the ball too long and doesn't always make good decisions in the pocket. He doesn't consistently handle pressure well and will force some throws into tight spots. He isn't a scrambling threat. He is more accurate on short and intermediate throws than on vertical routes.

[ElGreazy78]

Anyone wanting to get a game hit me up, normally I'm free all morning/afternoon from 6am - 5pm (central). If you want to get a game in after that, PM/message me on here, 2ksportsstrategy or XBL and we can arrange some time. Late night games are good, too.

My schedule is basically completely wide open so let me know. :)

[Valdarez]

I agree but I think most people in this league are knowledgable enough to already know.Really? Tpat was the only other person that I thought knew about it. Did you know about it already?

[Valdarez]

Whether you use it or not Valdarez is not the point. The point is that I believe every body whould have equal knowledge of this game. How many games have people won in league play knowing these things without telling? This just came out so this could have been used for a long time.Ahhh.. the old open vs. closed system. Which is better? This isn't about equal knowledge, which I believe I have been a pretty big advocate. This instance is about perpetuating exploits. The more people know about something, the more it will be used, if only because now there's more opportunity for it to be used. Still, at least you're not advocating the use of it. :)

[dtrain053]

Tpaterniti actually disclosed some of this information a while back at 2kstrategy.com

http://www.2kfootballstrategy.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1576&highlight=

[FLAxWLESS]

Really? Tpat was the only other person that I thought knew about it. Did you know about it already?

It's in the game manual. So it is not a bug... IT IS A FEATURE of the game.

I also don't understand how it's an exploit.... all it does is flip the play without changing formation and the reason we get opposite routes is because it does a mirror image. It's not like it's making up new routes. It turns in in to an out, a post-corner into a corner-post route. All those routes are in the game.

[nflhitman]

1965 Green Bay Packers games left......

LeeroyJenkyns X2
tjspeaks X2
Funky Rezident X2
Bowdown
NY KIA

Let me know when you can play our games.

[Valdarez]

It's in the game manual. So it is not a bug... IT IS A FEATURE of the game.

I also don't understand how it's an exploit.... all it does is flip the play without changing formation and the reason we get opposite routes is because it does a mirror image. It's not like it's making up new routes. It turns in in to an out, a post-corner into a corner-post route. All those routes are in the game.In the manual, a feature, not creating new routes? Really???

Let me try to explain:

1st - When something is broken, it is not a feature Mr. Gates. ;) (read about software bug (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug)) When you hot route a player, and then switch another, it should revert to the route it had previously, NOT the route it had before you flipped the play. That is a bug, not a feature.
2nd - It is NOT in the manual. There is nothing in the manual that talks about creating mirror image routes, or even remotely shows you how to perform this little trick.
3rd - Your explanation of what it's doing isn't even accurate, at least now from how I have experienced the bug. As explained, it will create a mirror image of the route on the other side, it doesn't flip the route as you explained, turning an in to an out or vice versa. So if you have a deep post on the right WR, you can have a deep post on the left WR as well. Dual Deep Posts, dual Fade Routes, dual double post moves.
4th - It is very much making up a new route, as it applies to the given play. The play was not designed to have two routes of the same kind, and the makers of the game have limited the types of hot routes that can occur in the game, more than likely due to limitations in the game engine or game itself. There is NO way for you to hot route to the routes that are being created by utilizing this bug.

Good luck at trying to defend against some of the dual routes in the game. The passing game is pretty tough already in the game without adding this bug to the possibility.

[FLAxWLESS]

In the manual, a feature, not creating new routes? Really???

Let me try to explain:

1st - When something is broken, it is not a feature Mr. Gates. ;) (read about software bug (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug)) When you hot route a player, and then switch another, it should revert to the route it had previously, NOT the route it had before you flipped the play. That is a bug, not a feature.
2nd - It is NOT in the manual. There is nothing in the manual that talks about creating mirror image routes, or even remotely shows you how to perform this little trick.
3rd - Your explanation of what it's doing isn't even accurate, at least now from how I have experienced the bug. As explained, it will create a mirror image of the route on the other side, it doesn't flip the route as you explained, turning an in to an out or vice versa. So if you have a deep post on the right WR, you can have a deep post on the left WR as well. Dual Deep Posts, dual Fade Routes, dual double post moves.
4th - It is very much making up a new route, as it applies to the given play. The play was not designed to have two routes of the same kind, and the makers of the game have limited the types of hot routes that can occur in the game, more than likely due to limitations in the game engine or game itself. There is NO way for you to hot route to the routes that are being created by utilizing this bug.

Good luck at trying to defend against some of the dual routes in the game. The passing game is pretty tough already in the game without adding this bug to the possibility.

Re-read what Hitman posted. Creatinf double-mirror routes in the manner he posted is a bug and I have never used it. Didn't know it existed. The key is creating DOUBLE mirror routes.

I thought he was mentioning flipping the play independently of the formation (basically using Right Bumper but without moving players around). That IS in the manual... (pg 14 end of 1st paragraph).

[Valdarez]

Re-read what Hitman posted. Creatinf double-mirror routes in the manner he posted is a bug and I have never used it. Didn't know it existed. The key is creating DOUBLE mirror routes.

I thought he was mentioning flipping the play independently of the formation (basically using Right Bumper but without moving players around). That IS in the manual... (pg 14 end of 1st paragraph).Ahhh... gotcha. Yeah, definitely nothing wrong with doing it. When we played the other day, I was surprised to learn that Hitman didn't know about it. Makes me wonder how many others don't know about it. It's VERY helpful, especially in the running game when someone goes heavy on you to one side.

[FLAxWLESS]

Ahhh... gotcha. Yeah, definitely nothing wrong with doing it. When we played the other day, I was surprised to learn that Hitman didn't know about it. Makes me wonder how many others don't know about it. It's VERY helpful, especially in the running game when someone goes heavy on you to one side.

Word.

I thought you were retiring from APF? Didn't you put it on a shelf you said?

[Bowdown]

The more you guys make a big deal out of it the more people will pay attention to it and try it. Let it rest, not many know about it. Besides the game has been out how long now??? I doubt a bunch of newbies will run to the game now.

[nflhitman]

Hey I just got this today so I put together a Power Rankings with a Photo Shop type of software.

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/53/l_dbae6210c4e341c8a58a463d7af9f78d.jpg

This is the first thing I did. I will be doing more once I learn more this weekend. This soft ware was only $39.99 also. Wayyy cheaper than Photo Shop and it has web design and everything else :)

[Bowdown]

Nice job and that guy Bowdow looks so good in the top 5

[nflhitman]

The season is winding down on a great league. The Deadline for regular season games will be next Monday November 3rd. You have a week to get caught up if you want a shot at the playoffs. I give playoff spots to teams who have the most games played so get them in ASAP! Here is a link of the standings that tell you how many games you have played compared to the rest.

http://online.2ksports.com/league/standings?p=360&t=APF2K8&l=33800

[nflhitman]

The season is winding down on a great league. The Deadline for regular season games will be next Monday November 3rd. You have a week to get caught up if you want a shot at the playoffs. I give playoff spots to teams who have the most games played so get them in ASAP!! Here is a link of the standings that tell you how many games you have played compared to the rest.

http://online.2ksports.com/league/standings?p=360&t=APF2K8&l=33800

[ElGreazy78]

I only have 3 games left.
* vs twosilk32811
* vs NYYanksSuck04
* @ NYYanksSuck04

I've attempted to contact NYYanks multiple times but I haven't had any luck getting the game in.

[nflhitman]

The league has moved on to the playoffs. Here is the list of the owners who made the playoffs and there seedings.

1. tjspeaks
2. NFLHITMAN
3. El Greazy
4. FLAxWLESS
5. LeeroyJenkyns
6. Bowdown
7. NY KIA
8. twosilk

Check who you are matched up against and get these games in ASAP! Deadline for 1st round of playoffs is October 10th.

[ElGreazy78]

Great game against Bowdown last night. Came down to the last drive. Great Dallas, San Fran rivalry going on. :)

[twosilk]

ready for my spanking tonight tj, will you be on tonight???

[amid]

yes, i'll look for you

thx

[nflhitman]

This league been advanced to the 2nd round. If your still in the playoffs find out who your opponent is and get it done.

Deadline for 2nd round of playoffs is Next Sunday 11-16.

[amid]

.

America's Game : Super Bowl I
1994 San Francisco 49ers (Bowdown) vs. 2000 Baltimore Ravens (tjspeaks)


49ers are the Champions!
49ers hang on as Baltimore runs out of time to attempt the tying field goal

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc73/tjspeaks/1-110.jpg

Congrats Bowdown!

.

[Bowdown123]

Thanks TJ, I just noticed this. I figuered the Commish might say something since its his league, but after a few days I didnt care anymore. It was a great game and close one too. Good luck next season.

[amid]

Thanks TJ, I just noticed this. I figuered the Commish might say something since its his league, but after a few days I didnt care anymore. It was a great game and close one too. Good luck next season.
HITMAN asked me to do it since he was swamped at work the week of Thanksgiving.