Gerald wallace Block rating 62???????? wot the

[JRich8]

How??????? he closer to 91 then 63.

During the 2005-06 season, Wallace averaged a NBA-best 2.5 steals and 2.1 blocks and joined David Robinson and Hakeem Olajuwon as one of only three players in NBA history to average over 2.0 blocks and 2.0 steals in the same season.

2.0 steals and 1.0 blocks in 2006-07- blocks slightly down for certain reasons(injuries) but made a number of incredible plays anyway...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xVzu6JgOMoI

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3wBhEaQ3HYw

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=n2sptFWcIqs

[Rashidi]

During the 2005-06 season, Wallace averaged a NBA-best 2.5 steals and 2.1 blocks and joined David Robinson and Hakeem Olajuwon as one of only three players in NBA history to average over 2.0 blocks and 2.0 steals in the same season.

This is NBA 2K9.

Wallace's shot blocking numbers declined in 2007 and stayed there in 2008. Which is more relevant than how he performed 3 years ago, which was a one time thing. Those shot block numbers were entirely due to Emeka Okafor's absence (only 23 games played) as the Bobcats needed someone to provide weakside shot blocking (he played a lot of PF that year). With Okafor healthy, Wallace's blocks went back to normal.

Also, they are far stingier with blocks than in the past, most players have a rating 10 points worse than they would have had in 2k8. Most centers only have block ratings in the 60s now. Nazr Mohammed went from an 82 to a 68 block. Joel Przybilla went from 93 to 79 block. Etc.

[Rockoss Mos D]

completely agree he is a very exciting shot blocker! and a very good one at that! what they did there was disrespect to his talent! AK47s blocking better be a 63 as well! if not im chanting Racism lol! but honestly i think that 63 is not cool!

[mcgradybunch]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wP7CWVF6doI&feature=related

yup, wallace is a defensive beast

[JRich8]

Rashidi i have to say i cnt agree with you on my post. Just for sheer shot blocking ability, only some in the same bracket(i.e Josh Smith). If you watch him in games hes a threat to send your s*** back every game, other players are aware with him on D, know that. I forgot what hes steals rating is but i think he averaged 2.0 again, even tho hes does gamble alot and sometimes doesnt pay off.

62 shot blocking is really an embarrasment for him, in fact im pretty sure danny granjer has 75 shot blocking which just makes no sense whatsoever.....

[RapboY]

yeah i agree, he's definitely not a 62.. anywhere around 80 should be good..

[XXL]

I agree with Rashidi.

I've already been disgusted by Wade's shot blocking.

[Rashidi]

Rashidi i have to say i cnt agree with you on my post. Just for sheer shot blocking ability, only some in the same bracket(i.e Josh Smith).

Josh Smith is vastly better than Gerald Wallace in that department.

Block% (% of 2pt shots blocked while player was on floor)

J. Smith
2005: 5.4
2006: 6.2 (8th in NBA)
2007: 6.1 (3rd in NBA)
2008: 5.9 (3rd in NBA)
Career: 5.9

G. Wallace
2005: 3.2
2006: 4.7
2007: 2.0
2008: 1.9
Career: 2.7

It's not even close really. Smith is literally 3 times the shot blocker Wallace is now. Wallace is much better at perimeter defense and getting into passing lanes than Smith though.

If you watch him in games hes a threat to send your s*** back every game, other players are aware with him on D, know that.

Shot blocking in general is very overrated to begin with. Staying in front of your man, playing good positional defense, etc are all much more important than shot blocking. Players who go for blocks tend to pick up more fouls (thus more FTA for opposing team), and it's worth noting that the best shot blockers give back some points with the goal tending violations they pick up. Tyson Chandler is a great example of a player whose shot blocking took a dive because he needed to stay out of foul trouble for his team to win games.

62 shot blocking is really an embarrasment for him, in fact im pretty sure danny granjer has 75 shot blocking which just makes no sense whatsoever.....

This I agree with, I suspect it's a typo because it makes Granger exactly 10 points overrated in shot blocking.

Granger blk%
2006: 2.6
2007: 1.7
2008: 2.2
Career: 2.1

As you can see, Granger isn't a slouch in this department either, and he had a better year than Wallace did at shot blocking. 2k doesn't rate guys based on career averages or anything, blocks/steals/rebounds/assist ratings are pretty much equivalent to whatever the player averaged per minute the year before.

[Rashidi]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wP7CWVF6doI&feature=related

yup, wallace is a defensive beast

It should be noted that two of the players getting blocked in that video are

1. Tyronn Lue... ON THE ROCKETS
2. Etan Thomas pre-heart surgery

It's a bit dated. Wallace doesn't go for blocks like that now, he is literally half the shot blocking threat he was two years ago.

[ChuckyFE]

Going by the 2k9 demo and how you can block anyone even with Derek Fisher kind of distinguishes the argument for anyones rating in this category. That is unless of course the 2k9 full game plays differently to the demo.

[Rashidi]

yeah i agree, he's definitely not a 62.. anywhere around 80 should be good..

Block Rating
Josh Smith: 90
Jamario Moon: 84
Andrei Kirlenko: 75
Shawn Marion: 74
Mickael Pietrus: 66
Gerald Wallace: 62

Block%
Smith: 5.9
Moon: 4.0
Kirilenko: 4.0 (by far his worst year)
Marion: 2.5 (2.7 w/Phx)
Pietrus: 2.4
Wallace: 1.9

Do you still think he deserves that 80?

Wallace is above average for a SF but he doesn't outblock PFs or Cs. He did that once in his career when the team's top defender missed the entire year. Wallace was starting at PF next to Jumaine Jones and Primoz Brezec that year if I recall.

Centers/Power Forwards
Diop: 5.1
Dampier: 4.4
Duncan: 4.3
Ilgauskas: 4.3
Yao: 4.0
Shaq: 3.7
Garnett: 3.1
Gooden: 2.0
Nowitzki: 1.9 (That pretty much says it all)
Curry: 1.5

[JRich8]

ok rashidi, first of i put Josh smith and wallace in the same catogary for their ability to block shots, not the volume of shots they block. This is overated overall as for example, if u put wallace on the hawks(who are surely better defensively than the bobcats(who were poor last year) you could see better stats for wallace. Anyway tho he was slowed down big time last year from injuries that affected him even when he came back(concussions and its problems) and the fact he guarded power forwards nearly the whole time last yr(this shouldnt help)!!

Josh Smith is vastly better than Gerald Wallace in that department.

Block% (% of 2pt shots blocked while player was on floor)

It's not even close really. Smith is literally 3 times the shot blocker Wallace is now. Wallace is much better at perimeter defense and getting into passing lanes than Smith though.
.

wow lol, what a weird stat to pick out.. u say smith is '3 times the shot blocker' making your assemsment from that stat... does that even mean they blocked the shot or while they were on the court anyone who blocked the shot. The bobcats defensively as a whole are probably one of the worst teams..and hes been far more injured than smith anyway so hel never have the stats to be up there with him (even when hes on the court after so many injuries on that type and im not saying hes better than him anyway too)



Shot blocking in general is very overrated to begin with. Staying in front of your man, playing good positional defense, etc are all much more important than shot blocking. Players who go for blocks tend to pick up more fouls (thus more FTA for opposing team), and it's worth noting that the best shot blockers give back some points with the goal tending violations they pick up. Tyson Chandler is a great example of a player whose shot blocking took a dive because he needed to stay out of foul trouble for his team to win games

Well thats what we are talking about, the ablity to shot block, surely thats what the stat is in the game for- how good are you at shot blocking. Staying in front of your man and all that isnt in the game stat categories. we are talking about in the game and hes blocking ability.


It should be noted that two of the players getting blocked in that video are

1. Tyronn Lue... ON THE ROCKETS
2. Etan Thomas pre-heart surgery

It's a bit dated. Wallace doesn't go for blocks like that now, he is literally half the shot blocking threat he was two years ago.

COMOOON rashidi, lol, u want me to show a vid were he blocks shaq?(but i cnt be bothered, its ther tho) and in the vid he doesnt only block 'bums' in ur opinion and lol at the Ethan Thomas jab. Yeh exactly before heart surgery and hes artery or vein leaking(hopefully he can get back soon). And then what u say is simply wrong I totally disagree with it, he made a number of incredible blocks last year and he still goes for them. And hes not half the shot blocking threat because he doesnt have the stats. If he stays healthy well c, thats all il say.

Block Rating

Wallace is above average for a SF but he doesn't outblock PFs or Cs. He did that once in his career when the team's top defender missed the entire year. Wallace was starting at PF next to Jumaine Jones and Primoz Brezec that year if I recall.

Again your talking about stats and how when he was the only good defensive player on the team he made a difference!!! and playing pf shouldnt bump your stats up it would be harder for him. Also u say tho block shot were 'entirely' due to okafor absence, which doesnt make much sense because if that was the case then thats even better for him. But again statistically im not that much looking in to it, as the fact of hes ability to block shots is up there with the best of them.

Anyway i guess well agree to disagree, i just think it wrong

[Rashidi]

ok rashidi, first of i put Josh smith and wallace in the same catogary for their ability to block shots, not the volume of shots they block.

Isn't that the whole point of "volume"? That's like saying Vince Carter has the same scoring ability as Kobe Bryant, even though he doesn't score as many points.


This is overated overall as for example, if u put wallace on the hawks(who are surely better defensively than the bobcats(who were poor last year) you could see better stats for wallace.

The Hawks were not a good defensive team, though I'm not sure how that relates to Wallace putting up better blocks numbers. The Nuggets were terrible defensively and Marcus Camby led the league in blocks. There's not much correlation.


Anyway tho he was slowed down big time last year from injuries that affected him even when he came back(concussions and its problems) and the fact he guarded power forwards nearly the whole time last yr(this shouldnt help)!!

He guarded power forwards even more in 2006 with Okafor out. Playing next to Jumaine Jones and Primoz Brezec is not the same as playing next to Emeka Okafor or even Nazr Mohammed (the centers in every Wallace PF lineup).

wow lol, what a weird stat to pick out.

Actually, it's an effective stat to pick out. Far more effective than blocks per game, which isn't pace adjusted or minutes adjusted.


u say smith is '3 times the shot blocker' making your assemsment from that stat... does that even mean they blocked the shot or while they were on the court anyone who blocked the shot.

I didn't understand a word of that, but let me be clear.

Smith blocked 6% of all 2 point shots when he was on the court.
Wallace blocked 2% of all 2 point shots when he was on the court.

6 / 2 = 3

Marcus Camby blocked 7.3% of all 2pt shots to lead the league.
Sean Williams was 2nd at 6.5%
Josh Smith was 3rd at 5.9%
Jamario Moon was 17th at 4.0%
Andrei Kirilenko was 18th at 4.0% (in easily his worst shot blocking season)
Gerald Wallace was very far away from the top 20 at 1.9%

Well thats what we are talking about, the ablity to shot block, surely thats what the stat is in the game for- how good are you at shot blocking.

Right. And Crash is far worse than Josh Smith or Andrei Kirilenko at shot blocking, and I don't think you'll find anyone who'd argue that. Shot blocking is the calling card of both players, while Crash only had one season where he was an exceptional shot blocker. He has been top 5 in steals before but has never been (nor will he ever be) top 5 in blocks.


COMOOON rashidi, lol, u want me to show a vid were he blocks shaq?

Nate Robinson has blocked Yao Ming.

and in the vid he doesnt only block 'bums'

My point wasn't that he was blocking bums. My point was that the highlights were DATED, i.e. OLD. Highlights from the 2006 season have little bearing on his more recent accomplishments.

I totally disagree with it, he made a number of incredible blocks last year and he still goes for them.

Wallace only had 58 blocks last year, in 55 games. Josh Smith has 227 blocks in 81 games. Whatever number of 'incredible' blocks Wallace had last year, I somehow doubt it compares to Josh Smith.


Josh Smith 07-08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OER-g4dVnB0

Gerald Wallace 07-08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpkqoKw0p0M

Andrei Kirilenko 07-08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIV76od0oTo

Most of Wallace's blocks come on transition plays from behind. He does not protect the rim like Josh Smith or Andrei Kirilenko does. Tayshaun Prince is famous for getting blocks in transition but that doesn't make him one of the top shot blockers in the league.


and playing pf shouldnt bump your stats up it would be harder for him.

Based on?

as the fact of hes ability to block shots is up there with the best of them.

Fact =/= Opinion.

You've yet to convince anyone Wallace is a better shot blocker than either Jamario Moon or Mickael Pietrus, much less Andrei Kirilenko or Josh Smith. All you have done so far is say Wallace is just as good without giving much of an explanation.

[JRich8]

Fact =/= Opinion.

You've yet to convince anyone Wallace is a better shot blocker than either Jamario Moon or Mickael Pietrus, much less Andrei Kirilenko or Josh Smith. All you have done so far is say Wallace is just as good without giving much of an explanation.

Uve cleverly tried to answer back to me changing some things but the fact is YOU havnt convinced anyone about this... Ive spoken to a number of people agree, including even on this forum. Uve tried to change this into a Joe smith vs Wallace argument about whos the best shot blocker. My point was how is Gerald wallace block rating be 62?? I still dont understand ur argument using all these stats etc, when ive told you that wallace has been hampered from injuries that carry over, like when he was out concussed for a while- he comes back, but those games after he comes back he isnt anywhere near like his normal self for a while. Hence me talking about the ****abilty*** to block. The fact is hes probably underated and the fact that he plays for the bobcats probably hampers him. I mean let me just cement my point across...lamar odoms block is 62, Rashard lewis is 70, Kevin durant is 64!!!! the list goes on and on.

This smells like a situation where we should settle this with a game online. However unfortunately it seems (because i live in london) i cant play people online in the USA from here. (Ive heard..) and this even makes me buying the game a doubt.

[Rashidi]

lamar odoms block is 62

Odom 1.8 Block%

Rashard lewis is 70

Rashard Lewis is 56. Which fits right in with his 0.9 Block%

Kevin durant is 64!!!!

Durant 1.9 Block%

Like I said before, Wallace is underrated by around 3 points. Thank you for helping me prove it might only be 2.

the fact that he plays for the bobcats probably hampers him.

You can apply the same logic to Kevin "Thunder" Durant.

This smells like a situation where we should settle this with a game online.

Yeah, who needs logic or reason to settle disputes.

Here's a better idea. I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 2. Guess correctly and you win.

[JRich8]

Odom 1.8 Block%


Yeah, who needs logic or reason to settle disputes.

Here's a better idea. I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 2. Guess correctly and you win.

Your a joker. Uve been proven wrong and knowone agrees with ur silly logic. And u sent me a video showing wallace sending back gasol, dwight howard etc... i thought he couldnt do it anymore. I did say last year he had some great blocks... sory he wasnt up to your percentage level.

p.s ive spoken now to about 20 people who all agree, i bet you couldnt find 2 to support ur theory

[Rashidi]

Your a joker. Uve been proven wrong and knowone agrees with ur silly logic.

Because as we all know, stats are silly and subjective while opinions with no backbone are straight faced serious.



p.s ive spoken now to about 20 people who all agree

I've spoken to 20 million.


i bet you couldnt find 2 to support ur theory

Where are all these people lining up to support you again?

[JRich8]

Ok uve turned into a baby now. il leave u alone- ur feeling clearly hurt...u believe wallace deserves 62 rating, i dont.

[Rashidi]

Ok uve turned into a baby now. il leave u alone- ur feeling clearly hurt...u believe wallace deserves 62 rating, i dont.

Translation: I don't really have 20 people who agree with my subjective opinion and I'm out of ideas. Retreat!

[Krucialist]

I found this whole back and forth to be quite amusing.

I would say Rashidi wins till you can come back with some stats to support your claims that the 08 Wallace is so deserving of a higher block rating. The backbone of your arguement seems to be that Wallace was a monster 2 years ago and has since been hurt but should still get the same ratings love since his drop in blocks is only cause he was hurt.

Isnt that like me arguing that Donovan McNabb deserves a higher speed rating because he was so fast back in 05-06 and the only reason he is slower now is because of injuries?

When he starts putting up those all-star block numbers of yesteryear then he would be deserving of the boost. Till then his blocks will be the 62 that his performance from last year earned him....

[Rashidi]

When he starts putting up those all-star block numbers of yesteryear then he would be deserving of the boost. Till then his blocks will be the 62 that his performance from last year earned him....

It's not just last year - it's the year before too, when Wallace played 72 of 82 games.

And injuries didn't stop hm from becoming a better scorer and taking more shots, that's for sure.

[XXL]

I guess we have to look at the bigger picture.

Based on the demo, its probably a good thing blocks are so low now, because they're quite easy.

I'm pretty sure people who cry about Gerald's blocking, won't be crying when they get blocked by him.

[Rashidi]

Based on the demo, its probably a good thing blocks are so low now, because they're quite easy.

I'm praying that's because the demo is on Pro difficulty.

[JRich8]

I found this whole back and forth to be quite amusing.

I would say Rashidi wins till you can come back with some stats to support your claims that the 08 Wallace is so deserving of a higher block rating. The backbone of your arguement seems to be that Wallace was a monster 2 years ago and has since been hurt but should still get the same ratings love since his drop in blocks is only cause he was hurt.

Isnt that like me arguing that Donovan McNabb deserves a higher speed rating because he was so fast back in 05-06 and the only reason he is slower now is because of injuries?

When he starts putting up those all-star block numbers of yesteryear then he would be deserving of the boost. Till then his blocks will be the 62 that his performance from last year earned him....

lol how much he pay you...anyway for u and him all i say is lets wait and see. Im done talking to him because of the manner he replies back, and i dont want to hurt anyones feeling. And for you all id say (for about the tenth time on here) INJURIES****** if he put all star block numbers up then hes rating should be close or about 90. Im saying hes certainly not 62 now but not at all star level either. He should have about 80 rating..anyway the evidence is there, just go to the rating and ull c wot others have been given, but for now well leave this 'argument' until the season starts

[Krucialist]

lol how much he pay you...anyway for u and him all i say is lets wait and see. Im done talking to him because of the manner he replies back, and i dont want to hurt anyones feeling. And for you all id say (for about the tenth time on here) INJURIES****** if he put all star block numbers up then hes rating should be close or about 90. Im saying hes certainly not 62 now but not at all star level either. He should have about 80 rating..anyway the evidence is there, just go to the rating and ull c wot others have been given, but for now well leave this 'argument' until the season starts

But arent those who put up similar numbers in real life also rated in the 60s with him?

If so then there goes your argument.

Name which players have higher block ratings and then list their stats from the previous year for comparison purposes....

[Rashidi]

.He should have about 80 rating..anyway the evidence is there, just go to the rating and ull c wot others have been given, but for now well leave this 'argument' until the season starts

LOL

Andrei Kirilenko
75 block rating
4.0 block%
2006: 3.2 bpg
2007: 2.1 bpg
2008: 1.5 bpg

Gerald Wallace
62 block rating
1.9 block%
2006: 2.1 bpg
2007: 1.0 bpg
2008: 0.9 bpg

Where is this evidence that Wallace should be an 80 again?

[JRich8]

Rash, i checked ur blog thingy for like about 1 min before i had to switch off because instantly i realised ur a stat freak. Now i understand... Of course you should go off what people did last year but there is such a thing as people having off years therefore its simply wrong to go just off stats and what they did last year. Theres so many example where you stats driven explanations dont seem to work- for example dirk not being a good rebounder yet hes stat in the game i bet r good. Also all the ratings cant be stat driven like what you are saying, as so many people in the stats have a messed up rating, for exapmle- dunk rating high where they barely dunked last year. I hope they didnt just take the rating off of stats because this wouldnt be lifelike. Just like stats in real life are misleading. Anyway i CERTAINLY dont want to appear like i care all that much about the stats because it just caught my eye and i thought i should start a thread about it. Im over it now and thought i would kinda get a responce like on another website which i went on which was basically yes or no and a brief sentance-which if i could briefly remember- it was like 12-0 in favour.

And to Krucialist- lol i dont have the time and to be honest i simply dont care that much to go through all the ratings, you could go through all that for me.

Finally and maybe also to a responce for XXL, im not all that bothered about hes rating for the fact that i wont get blocks with him lol, more so i thought the stat rating was for hes abilty to block shots(which should equate to him being a higher rating, because in real life hes really good at blocking shots)...not a convertion of how many blocks he got per minute or whatever last year lol.

[Rashidi]

Rash, i checked ur blog thingy for like about 1 min before i had to switch off because instantly i realised ur a stat freak.

You couldn't figure this from the moment you entered a forum related to player ratings?


Of course you should go off what people did last year but there is such a thing as people having off years

There is also such a thing as a "statistical abberration" Wallace has had a season like 2006 ONCE. His blocking fell in 2007 and it stayed there in 2008. He is far more likely to repeat his last two years than he is to revert to 2006.

Two years of average blocking > one season of above average blocking

Hiw own coach doesn't want him to revert to 2006, he wants him playing man defense rather than cheating off his man to go for blocks.

therefore its simply wrong to go just off stats and what they did last year.

So by your logic, Jason Kidd should have a higher rating than Chris Paul. Gotcha.

Theres so many example where you stats driven explanations dont seem to work- for example dirk not being a good rebounder

Dirk is statistically a good rebounder, and always has been. Where have you been his whole career?

Also all the ratings cant be stat driven like what you are saying, as so many people in the stats have a messed up rating

English please. I lost you after your comma.

for exapmle- dunk rating high where they barely dunked last year.

They also didn't edit the dunk ratings of 99% of the players. Only one I've seen edited so far was Dwight Howard who they boosted to 99.

It's funny that you mention this though.

# of dunks is A STATISTIC.

You are saying players should have a lower rating if they barely dunk, THE SAME APPLIES TO BLOCKED SHOTS! Players who get lots of blocks have high ratings. Players who don't get lots of blocks don't have high ratings. It's that simple.

Just like stats in real life are misleading.

What is misleading about the block ratings? That Gerald Wallace didn't even average a block per game yet according to you he's a top 10 shot blocker?


And to Krucialist- lol i dont have the time and to be honest i simply dont care that much to go through all the ratings

So if you don't care, why did you spend so much time posting about it?

because in real life hes really good at blocking shots)...not a convertion of how many blocks he got per minute or whatever last year lol.

LOL OMG

How many blocks you get in the time you are on the court is exactly how we determine who is a good shot blocker! What other way than frequency is there? In what universe is 1 block as good as 3 blocks?

[oOausarOo]

Crash has that ability to still get a 2 couple blocks per game, but that's not his game right now so his block rating has to reflect that.

[chrome381]

You couldn't figure this from the moment you entered a forum related to player ratings?




There is also such a thing as a "statistical abberration" Wallace has had a season like 2006 ONCE. His blocking fell in 2007 and it stayed there in 2008. He is far more likely to repeat his last two years than he is to revert to 2006.

Two years of average blocking > one season of above average blocking

Hiw own coach doesn't want him to revert to 2006, he wants him playing man defense rather than cheating off his man to go for blocks.



So by your logic, Jason Kidd should have a higher rating than Chris Paul. Gotcha.



Dirk is statistically a good rebounder, and always has been. Where have you been his whole career?



English please. I lost you after your comma.



They also didn't edit the dunk ratings of 99% of the players. Only one I've seen edited so far was Dwight Howard who they boosted to 99.

It's funny that you mention this though.

# of dunks is A STATISTIC.

You are saying players should have a lower rating if they barely dunk, THE SAME APPLIES TO BLOCKED SHOTS! Players who get lots of blocks have high ratings. Players who don't get lots of blocks don't have high ratings. It's that simple.



What is misleading about the block ratings? That Gerald Wallace didn't even average a block per game yet according to you he's a top 10 shot blocker?




So if you don't care, why did you spend so much time posting about it?



LOL OMG

How many blocks you get in the time you are on the court is exactly how we determine who is a good shot blocker! What other way than frequency is there? In what universe is 1 block as good as 3 blocks?

:think::think::think: i declare Rashidi the winner by knock out the loser can exit the forum at this time, very amusing i wont lie :clap:

[JRich8]

I'll end u lot now. First off ''chrome'' theres no need to lick anyones b***s like that. U sound like a love sick puppy.

Rash- (and i call u this because your like a rash-ur there and you wont go away- but eventually you get rid of it). You come back with ''''''Dirk is statistically a good rebounder, and always has been. Where have you been his whole career?'''''''' YEH THATS MY POINT. GET THOSE STATS OUT OF YOUR MIND FOR A BIT. My point was just because hes good statistically doesnt mean hes a great rebounder and deserves big stats. dirk is soft like marshmellow and ISNT a v good rebounder. In crucial situations he even loses rebounds to players much shorter than him i.e VS GS. But those good ol statistics mean everything.

Then you precede to be clever by saying- ''english please'' -- YEEEES im half english, born in London and live in England, hows that for a comeback to your so called cleverness.

Then again guess what- U try and be clever again!!!!. My reply-SO UR SAYING THE DUNK RATING IS FOR PERCENTAGE OF DUNKS PER GAME HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. theres players that mite have dunks per game- breakaway dunks and 'easy ones' and have more than someone that can dunk in traffic-on people and is a better technical dunker ...but nooooo get those stats out... and then you say''''You are saying players should have a lower rating if they barely dunk'' nooooooooo im not saying that. THATS YOUR THEORY. Theres players that dunk rarely but that can dunk on people and are very good dunkers etc. Just one example(and theres a lot) Paul pierce, hes rating is 79.....he as a dunker is very very good. But youll look at your percentage about how many times he dunked and not how good he actually is at dunking. Or the actual dunks that those statistics dont show i.e he can have two dunks on people to 5 breakaway dunks by another player-that the stats show.. but hey yakhobi diawara is76 and darius miles is 89!!!! so who cares

The funny thing is im actually not all that bothered by the the ratings, il let the guy/girl or people do hes/her or their job. Just fortunate its not you, i just checked your weird begging to be the 2k insider thing, which was kinda sad as u state it as you dream job and you were 'born to do it'.......o dear. Your attitude sucks therefore i had to end it here in this way. I thought someone said i was KO'D LOL, except i was never in trouble and i just stone cold knocked you out. Theres no coming back from this sory. Knockout blow right there, seeeeya.

[JRich8]

Just as a final side note to this thread discussion which i ended( by way of knockout) above. I say something that the insider person said ''Yes, I definitely look at potential, intangibles, etc and not just stats.'' And that completely ended this whole topic for me. Im just glad he said it, now rashidi isnt even relevant to this. He can have hes stat drived(crazed) ratings, il much rather let this person have control of ratings

[Rashidi]

Just as a final side note to this thread discussion which i ended( by way of knockout) above. I say something that the insider person said ''Yes, I definitely look at potential, intangibles, etc and not just stats.'' And that completely ended this whole topic for me. Im just glad he said it, now rashidi isnt even relevant to this. He can have hes stat drived(crazed) ratings, il much rather let this person have control of ratings

LOL

If you want to declare yourself a winner you better find a referee. Ain't nobody even agreed with you yet LOL

Anyway your immaturity doesn't warrant a response and I'm much too busy editing for the masses to bother with small fries.

[JRich8]

MY IMMATURITY!! or yours. It seems you fake rude boy internet thug antics havnt been taken well in another thread i just read(2k insider thread)...

Nowone agrees?? huh jus go to that 2k insider thread, there was plenty from what i saw! Anyway yeh this is finished now because your not even relevent as i said. The 2k insider sounds good so far. I had to laugh at some posters having a go and you at you crazy stat driven ratings..exactly what i was going on about lol, anyway

[ppv2k8]

wallace blocks should be a 87

[billbixpy]

wallace blocks should be a 87

Well as usual Rashidi has given me more then enough reason to take what he said as correct. Can you show us why he should be an 87? Using facts or stats or something concrete since this is a simulation based video game.

I really dont see what else anybody is arguing can base it on. Its a videogame with catergories already set...its not like you can go out and make a new rating because something is off.

[JRich8]

Hey i know this is already over because i ended it- but guess who got block of the night last night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeh you guessed right. Check it out on nba.com its sik

http://broadband.nba.com/cc/playa.php?content=video&url=http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/nba/nbacom/botn/nba_20081008_botn.asx&video=blank

[billbixpy]

Nice block. That doesnt mean he deserves a higher rating though.

[Biggmone]

Yeah it does. this is absurd, 63? Doesn't like Manu Ginobili have like a 63 block? I don't care if he played against grade schoolers, averaging 2 blocks in a year at the SF position playing mainly against way bigger players warrant at least an 80. Anybody who says a 63 is legit really doesn't know what they're talking about.

And I saw that stat talking about how many blocks happen when he's in the game. Worst stat ever. What was the Bobcats like 25th in defense? Gerald Wallace is a good all around player whos blocks should be way higher than a 63, I repeat, WAY higher. and I don't agree that it should be that. You guys missed the ball on this one. Just because his blocks weren't 2.0 per game the last 1 or 2 years means nothing cause he's been hurt with his concussions and had to be less aggressive. 63 is dumb.

[JRich8]

Yeah it does. this is absurd, 63? Doesn't like Manu Ginobili have like a 63 block? I don't care if he played against grade schoolers, averaging 2 blocks in a year at the SF position playing mainly against way bigger players warrant at least an 80. Anybody who says a 63 is legit really doesn't know what they're talking about.

And I saw that stat talking about how many blocks happen when he's in the game. Worst stat ever. What was the Bobcats like 25th in defense? Gerald Wallace is a good all around player whos blocks should be way higher than a 63, I repeat, WAY higher. and I don't agree that it should be that. You guys missed the ball on this one. Just because his blocks weren't 2.0 per game the last 1 or 2 years means nothing cause he's been hurt with his concussions and had to be less aggressive. 63 is dumb.

woot woot, agreed. that was kinda my feeling- its just dumb, anyway seeing as this game barely plays now its the least worry this game has