Need your VOTE if your in my leagues!

[nflhitman]

I am playing Freak in my 1st round playoff game and I am winning 3-0 in DDD season 1 in the 4th Q. I punt the ball which lands at the 35 and the ball bounces to the 32. I am waiting to down it and he manually controlled Rod Woodson to field the ball off the ground. I go over and tackle him and the refs called a fair catch interference penalty. Once the ball in the NFL hits the ground it is fair game along with the fact that he never called fair catch at all. Freak accepts the penalty and that moves him inside my 15 yard line! Close game and he cant move the ball and he accepts a Bull **** penalty to move inside my 15 yard line to at least tie the game. I told him this was BS and he told me that if he didnt accept it would have been my ball instead of his when Woodson recovered it!

I told him this game will be reset and he think's you the Forum members shoud vote on this. I will only consider your vote if you play in DDD, Dynasty Legends, NFLP, Gridiron, or NFL 2K8 league.

[nflhitman]

By the way I lost 7-3.

I think everyone knows I have lost my share of games and playoff games and have taken my losses like a man. I have a problem losing this way.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

Now for my side of the story

about 4 minutes left in the game....Hitman punts the ball from the 2 yard line and it lands around the 30, I'm running my guy up to field the ball after it's bounced a couple times and just as I'm bending down to pick the ball up, Hitman tackles my guy. The ball touched my guy and his guy recovers the ball. Penalty is for fair catch interference....I have two options

ACCEPT :MIN BALL 1st DOWN at the 15 yard line
DECLINE: POR BALL 1st down at the 30 yard line


I accept the penalty....Hitman doesn't show a replay and doesn't say anything about it. I go on to score a TD and then kick off and hold him to 3 and out, I get the ball back with 2 1/2 minutes left and I'm able to pick up a 1st down and run the clock out. It's not till there's 5 seconds left in the game that I get a message from HITMAN, basically yelling at me for accepting the penalty. So he waited until the game was over before he complained about it. Had he went on to win the game, I doubt anyone would hear anything about it. Also doesn't league rules state to accept/decline penaltys at your own discretion?

[twosilk]

i think to accept the penalty was fine, just a bad call, man up and make the stop. lets say it was the other way around, and you are at his 40 with 5 seconds left, you throw the ball deep, and it is knocked down but wait, the refs throw a flag, pass interference in the endzone is called, giving you the option of ball at the one yard line or game over, after looking at the replay, you see that his guy did not touch you at all, would you decline the penalty? or thank the heavens above,accept the penalty, and kick the game tying fg??

bad call yes, but that is football, did not see the chargers asking roger goodell for a new game when they got hosed!! just a bad call, but your defense still had its chance to make the stop and hold him to three points

[nflhitman]

re: fair catch interference penalty

we had a play in our DDD playoff game (vs. minh)... in our game, i called fair catch around the 5 yard line with the intention of moving our of the way and hoping the ball would bounce in the endzone (like they do in the NFL). he hit my return man and a flag was thrown. i declined the penalty because i got the ball on the 20 (touchback) instead of on the 15 (with the 10 yard penalty). i would have accepted the penalty.

missing some info:

in your game, did you interfere with him fielding the punt?

did he run it back to your 25 yard line?

how would it have been your ball if he declined the penalty?

It wouldnt have been my ball because Woodson recovered it. It would have still been his ball at the 32 yard line instead of my 15.

The ball bounced off the ground from my punt as I waited for it to come to stop he went to field the ball off the ground. I went to tackle him as soon as he picked it up and they called that penalty and he accepted it and moved him inside the 20 yard line.

[nflhitman]

Now for my side of the story

about 4 minutes left in the game....Hitman punts the ball from the 2 yard line and it lands around the 30, I'm running my guy up to field the ball after it's bounced a couple times and just as I'm bending down to pick the ball up, Hitman tackles my guy. The ball touched my guy and his guy recovers the ball. Penalty is for fair catch interference....I have two options

ACCEPT :MIN BALL 1st DOWN at the 15 yard line
DECLINE: POR BALL 1st down at the 30 yard line


I accept the penalty....Hitman doesn't show a replay and doesn't say anything about it. I go on to score a TD and then kick off and hold him to 3 and out, I get the ball back with 2 1/2 minutes left and I'm able to pick up a 1st down and run the clock out. It's not till there's 5 seconds left in the game that I get a message from HITMAN, basically yelling at me for accepting the penalty. So he waited until the game was over before he complained about it. Had he went on to win the game, I doubt anyone would hear anything about it. Also doesn't league rules state to accept/decline penaltys at your own discretion?

I didnt show a replay? How many times did I replay the ball hitting the ground? When the ball hits the ground it is a fair ball for everyone and you can not be flagged once the ball hits the ground for fair catch penalty. I did not recover it. Woodson recovered it.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

It wouldnt have been my ball because Woodson recovered it. It would have still been his ball at the 32 yard line instead of my 15.

The ball bounced off the ground from my punt as I waited for it to come to stop he went to field the ball off the ground. I went to tackle him as soon as he picked it up and they called that penalty and he accepted it and moved him inside the 20 yard line.


And right there is where we totally dissagree at....Your guy recovered the ball...My two options were

MIN 1st down @ 15
POR 1st down at the 30

[Fre@k of $atan7]

I didnt show a replay? How many times did I replay the ball hitting the ground? When the ball hits the ground it is a fair ball for everyone and you can not be flagged once the ball hits the ground for fair catch penalty. I did not recover it. Woodson recovered it.


You did not even replay it once...Like I said...You didn't say anything about the play till there was 5 seconds left in the game.

[nflhitman]

i think to accept the penalty was fine, just a bad call, man up and make the stop. lets say it was the other way around, and you are at his 40 with 5 seconds left, you throw the ball deep, and it is knocked down but wait, the refs throw a flag, pass interference in the endzone is called, giving you the option of ball at the one yard line or game over, after looking at the replay, you see that his guy did not touch you at all, would you decline the penalty? or thank the heavens above,accept the penalty, and kick the game tying fg??

bad call yes, but that is football, did not see the chargers asking roger goodell for a new game when they got hosed!! just a bad call, but your defense still had its chance to make the stop and hold him to three points

How is it fine to accpet a penalty that isnt even a real penalty? I have lost games because I have declined ******** penalties like a PI that your talking about.

Man up and make the stop twosilk? He was moved inside my 20 as I was winning 3-0 in the 4th Q under 3 minutes left. If I would have stopped him every down he would have still be able to kick the FG and tie the game.

Just for the record if there is a questionable penalty I will go to replay and decline it. Maybe you wouldnt twosilk but I do. I am here for a fun , fair game not a game that is decided because he wasnt able to move the ball and score all game so he decides to accept a ******** penalty.

Thats like saying I can go 5 wide and punt with my QB and take the roughing the kicker penalty every time because I am supposed to man up and stop him right ;)

[Fre@k of $atan7]

I didnt show a replay? How many times did I replay the ball hitting the ground? When the ball hits the ground it is a fair ball for everyone and you can not be flagged once the ball hits the ground for fair catch penalty. I did not recover it. Woodson recovered it.


Seriously man, If you replayed it so often, then you would have seen that my punt returner is Lem Barney and not Woodsen. It was Lem Barney that tried fielding the ball

[nflhitman]

You did not even replay it once...Like I said...You didn't say anything about the play till there was 5 seconds left in the game.

Why would I lie about this Freak? I replayed the ball over and over hitting the ground showing you it was a live ball and fair catch penalty was ********.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

I vote yes. All overtly B.S calls should always be declined no matter what the situation it's 5 times worse in a critical situation like that. I would be just as ****ed as hitman is.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

Man up and make the stop twosilk? He was moved inside my 20 as I was winning 3-0 in the 4th Q under 3 minutes left. If I would have stopped him every down he would have still be able to kick the FG and tie the game.



False here also...There was around 4 1/2 minutes left in the game at the time of the penalty

[twosilk]

but here is the thing, freak did not break any rules, so why is this even being discussed? I have heard several times when i voice a concern, that i have to just deal with it, learn to adapt, and yes hitman i said make a stop, he did not get 7 points because of the penalty! if you stop him you could have held him to a field goal, but he scored, and stopped you, that is my point, freak did not break any rules, this is no different than the running game issue we talked about, not fun, but not illegal.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

Why would I lie about this Freak? I replayed the ball over and over hitting the ground showing you it was a live ball and fair catch penalty was ********.

At the point that it happened, You should have stopped the game, Said it was BS and then we could have went from there. You should not have waited till you knew for sure that you were going to lose to finally say something about it. That creates a NO WIN situation for me and a NO LOSE situation for you.

[amid]

insufficient info to vote:

i wouldn't have lost possession because of it, but may have declined the yardage if i thought it was a cheap penalty (like unintentional unnecessary roughness).

but you guys can't decide who's ball it would have been... so not enough info to vote.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Wait I thought it was a fumble recovery? If it was only a yardage penalty then what I said before times 5.

[nflhitman]

Wait I thought it was a fumble recovery? If it was only a yardage penalty then what I said before times 5.


Please post your vote above.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

I posted it I said I voted yes. If it was a fumble by woodson I would kind of understand accepting the penalty even though it would still be wrong to do so but it's a yardage penalty..........it shouldn't even be debated. Penalty should have been declined.

[amid]

I posted it I said I voted yes. If it was a fumble by woodson I would kind of understand accepting the penalty even though it would still be wrong to do so but it's a yardage penalty..........it shouldn't even be debated. Penalty should have been declined.
i agree with killah :eek:

loss of possession - should accept the penalty
gain extra yards - decline

[Big M]

I posted it I said I voted yes. If it was a fumble by woodson I would kind of understand accepting the penalty even though it would still be wrong to do so but it's a yardage penalty..........it shouldn't even be debated. Penalty should have been declined.

I agree. IMO (and this is pretty much how we do in the Gridiron League), all the penalties that the computer commits should be declined. If a person does something to you like a blatant, intentional late hit or pass interference, then accept. But we usually always decline if the CPU commited the penalty.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

i agree with killah :eek:

loss of possession - should accept the penalty
gain extra yards - decline

I agree, I even highlighted it for Hitman during the game to show that he would get the possession, before I switched and accepted it.

[nflhitman]

I agree, I even highlighted it for Hitman during the game to show that he would get the possession, before I switched and accepted it.

What?! Freak is your true Satanic self coming out now? First you said I never replayed it but than a few post after that you pretty much said I should have paused the game when I did. If your going to lie about things than I will remember this when others come to me with complaints about your game play.

[nflhitman]

I agree. IMO (and this is pretty much how we do in the Gridiron League), all the penalties that the computer commits should be declined. If a person does something to you like a blatant, intentional late hit or pass interference, then accept. But we usually always decline if the CPU commited the penalty.

I was manually controlling the player trying to down it when it came to a stop.

AI was not controlling him. When the ball is on the ground andd than touched how is this a fair catch penalty?

[twosilk]

if freak throws a pick six on the next play would we be having this discussion???

[ImBACKK,killah5]

if freak throws a pick six on the next play would we be having this discussion???

No but would freak even have had the chance to throw at all.....that's the question.....what's the answer?

[twosilk]

if the penalty was as freak said a possession penalty then i see the reason to accept, but i think hitman is more upset with the loss than the penalty being accepted. that is my point (and no killah, I am not going to fill your need for a arguement) lol sorry dude got a wife for that!!!

[nflhitman]

if freak throws a pick six on the next play would we be having this discussion???

Yes we would have but not on the boards. I always notify a player of game play issues whether I win or lose a game twosilk. I usually dont need to with veterans of this league but if you ask the new guys in DL and DDD they will tell you I send them a message about game play issues after the game even when I won. The only reason this is on the forums is because Freak requested it to be on here for a vote.

If this wasnt a playoff game or a close game I wouldnt have cared but for someone who didnt score all game to be moved inside my 20 with the score 3-0 to try and tie the game off a penalty is ********.

[JUIC3D 3]

Bull**** penalties happen. It's part of football. Did anyone else not see the "roughing the passer" penalty on Terrell Suggs today that was the key factor to Collins game winning drive?

My opinion on this is that it's good sportsmanship to decline the penalty. If they don't, who cares. It's part of the game.

Personally, I would have declined it, but that's not the main focus here.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

What?! Freak is your true Satanic self coming out now? First you said I never replayed it but than a few post after that you pretty much said I should have paused the game when I did. If your going to lie about things than I will remember this when others come to me with complaints about your game play.

Reading what you wanna hear I guess....I said that if you had such a problem with the play, You should not have waited till the end of the game to finally message me about it. We should have taken care of it right there on the spot.


Dont sit there calling me a liar either, The only one misrepresenting anything in this thread is you....Like time left in game, punt returner..ect....From the sounds of the last part of this message, it sounds as if you are going to hold a grudge against me. So be it.

Like I said, if you would have stopped the game right then and there and stated your problem and decided right there to start the game over...I would not have had any problems. But you waited until you knew that you were going to lose the game to complain. Had you went down the field on your last possession and won the game, would we have been having this conversation?

Had you went down the field on your last possession and won the game, would we have been having this conversation?

Had you went down the field on your last possession and won the game, would we have been having this conversation?

Had you went down the field on your last possession and won the game, would we have been having this conversation?

Had you went down the field on your last possession and won the game, would we have been having this conversation?

Had you went down the field on your last possession and won the game, would we have been having this conversation?

[amid]

Bull**** penalties happen. It's part of football. Did anyone else not see the "roughing the passer" penalty on Terrell Suggs today that was the key factor to Collins game winning drive?

My opinion on this is that it's good sportsmanship to decline the penalty. If they don't, who cares. It's part of the game.

Personally, I would have declined it, but that's not the main focus here.

The Titans should have declined that penalty... it was not even close and that was game over.

[twosilk]

Yes we would have but not on the boards. I always notify a player of game play issues whether I win or lose a game twosilk. I usually dont need to with veterans of this league but if you ask the new guys in DL and DDD they will tell you I send them a message about game play issues after the game even when I won. The only reason this is on the forums is because Freak requested it to be on here for a vote.

If this wasnt a playoff game or a close game I wouldnt have cared but for someone who didnt score all game to be moved inside my 20 with the score 3-0 to try and tie the game off a penalty is ********.

even with that being said you still were leading after the penalty, so even if you stop him he ties the game up, so the penalty did not lose the game for you, i say that he did not break a rule, maybe pushed the ethical boundaries if your version is the truth, but what rule did he break?? none, but if you reset this game you are opening up a can of worms, because what would be next?? i wanna game reset player a accepted a questionable olineman down field penalty which reversed my game winning touchdown pass?? just take the loss hitman, and move on, I think that it is best in the long run, this is dangerous water you are treading on here

[nflhitman]

if the penalty was as freak said a possession penalty then i see the reason to accept, but i think hitman is more upset with the loss than the penalty being accepted. that is my point (and no killah, I am not going to fill your need for a arguement) lol sorry dude got a wife for that!!!

WOW!!!!

I havent been able to have how many leagues and seasons if I was a sore loser. I had an issue with that play and what that play handed him. How many league Championships have I won twosilk?????????

DL 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 - I won ZERO
Rejects 1,2,3 - I won ZERO
DDD - I won ZERO
NFLP - ZERO
CFL - ZERO
And how many other league have I won?????? ZERO

So being mad because I lost the game is funny. I only get mad if Cheese or ******** like in this game was done.

If I was such a bad sport who would play in my leagues? Who would allow me in theres? Lets get real here.

[twosilk]

WOW!!!!

I
DL 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 - I won ZERO
Rejects 1,2,3 - I won ZERO
DDD - I won ZERO
NFLP - ZERO
CFL - ZERO
And how many other league have I won?????? ZERO



maybe this was your chance to get the goose egg off the scoreboard and you had it snatched away, and that is the reason for the anger/frustration, but either way if you reset the game and you win, does freak get a reset??

[nflhitman]

Reading what you wanna hear I guess....I said that if you had such a problem with the play, You should not have waited till the end of the game to finally message me about it. We should have taken care of it right there on the spot.


Dont sit there calling me a liar either, The only one misrepresenting anything in this thread is you....Like time left in game, punt returner..ect....From the sounds of the last part of this message, it sounds as if you are going to hold a grudge against me. So be it.

Like I said, if you would have stopped the game right then and there and stated your problem and decided right there to start the game over...I would not have had any problems. But you waited until you knew that you were going to lose the game to complain. Had you went down the field on your last possession and won the game, would we have been having this conversation?

Had you went down the field on your last possession and won the game, would we have been having this conversation?

Had you went down the field on your last possession and won the game, would we have been having this conversation?

Had you went down the field on your last possession and won the game, would we have been having this conversation?

Had you went down the field on your last possession and won the game, would we have been having this conversation?

Had you went down the field on your last possession and won the game, would we have been having this conversation?

Your right! I took for granted your ability to have good sportsmanship. I figured after the many replays I showed of the ball hitting the ground over and over you would have declined the penalty but what happened? As soon as I unpaused the game you clicked accept LOL.

[nflhitman]

maybe this was your chance to get the goose egg off the scoreboard and you had it snatched away, and that is the reason for the anger/frustration, but either way if you reset the game and you win, does freak get a reset??

1st round of the playoffs and I get the goose egg off of me? LOL

OK ;)

[Birdman1702]

Bull**** penalties happen. It's part of football. Did anyone else not see the "roughing the passer" penalty on Terrell Suggs today that was the key factor to Collins game winning drive?

My opinion on this is that it's good sportsmanship to decline the penalty. If they don't, who cares. It's part of the game.

Personally, I would have declined it, but that's not the main focus here.

This is pretty much how I feel. I understand why Freak accepted the penalty...especially if he loses possession by declining it. I accept just about every penalty because I personally think they can have a major affect on the momentum of the game....by that I mean declining a big penalty could really throw the momentum in the other teams favor.

I understand Hitman being upset (I'd be pretty upset about it to), but your defense let you down by giving up the TD. Even with an absolutely ridiculous penalty, you still had an opportunity to keep him out of the end zone.

[nflhitman]

The last time I got mad about a game was when JUIC3D ran the score up on me and I am not going back there so to say I was mad and only because I lost twosilk is pretty far from the truth.

[twosilk]

1st round of the playoffs and I get the goose egg off of me? LOL

OK ;)

if you put freak out in the first round, who was really in your way the rest of the way?? wasn't freak like 14-2 or something like that? so to beat him in the first round would have given you a chance to take home the title, or am i wrong here too??

[JUIC3D 3]

I would tell you guys to stop overreacting, but this it too funny.

*Grabs popcorn*

"Hey Hitman, Freak just called you a liar."

"Hey Freakie, Hitman just called you a liar."

:D

[ImBACKK,killah5]

I accept just about every penalty because I personally think they can have a major affect on the momentum of the game....by that I mean declining a big penalty could really throw the momentum in the other teams favor.

:rolleyes: pretty much the biggest B.S I've ever read. A computer hit's a player on the floor and you accept it???Are you serious? That should be grounds for removal in itself.

[JUIC3D 3]

The last time I got mad about a game was when JUIC3D ran the score up on me and I am not going back there so to say I was mad and only because I lost twosilk is pretty far from the truth.

...

I'm not touching that with a 10 footpole.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

Seriously, Do I have to ask the question ten times....

Would we be replaying this game had you went down the field on your next possession and scored a TD and winning the game?


At that point of the game with 4 minutes left

Either you hold on and win the game
or you lose and we replay the game

What you are saying is at that point of the game, there was absolutely no possibility of me winning the game because had I won, it would have been replayed. Had I lost, You would have won and advanced. By you waiting till the end of the game to argue this. It should void everything.

[twosilk]

juic3d3. you running up scores on people?? now move over, and share the popcorn

[nflhitman]

This is pretty much how I feel. I understand why Freak accepted the penalty...especially if he loses possession by declining it. I accept just about every penalty because I personally think they can have a major affect on the momentum of the game....by that I mean declining a big penalty could really throw the momentum in the other teams favor.

I understand Hitman being upset (I'd be pretty upset about it to), but your defense let you down by giving up the TD. Even with an absolutely ridiculous penalty, you still had an opportunity to keep him out of the end zone.

Momentum? He had none. He had a goose egg on the score board but with that penalty it moved him closer to a possible score. If a penalty is a REAL PENALTY than that is a different issue.

When a player never once calls for a fair catch and the ball hits the ground also how is there a Fair Catch penalty?????????? Even the blindest Ref in the NFL would not call a penalty that isnt even there and they have instant replay also for it. I did the instant replay for Freak but he still accepted it.

[nflhitman]

Seriously, Do I have to ask the question ten times....

Would we be replaying this game had you went down the field on your next possession and scored a TD and winning the game?


At that point of the game with 4 minutes left

Either you hold on and win the game
or you lose and we replay the game

What you are saying is at that point of the game, there was absolutely no possibility of me winning the game because had I won, it would have been replayed. Had I lost, You would have won and advanced. By you waiting till the end of the game to argue this. It should void everything.

Really, when was the last time I reset a game on gameplay issues? If you would have won without a BS penalty than you move on like always.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

I hate when people say "you still could have stop him". Do people not get that he wouldn't have too had the B.S not happen? I mean come on it's pretty simple here. FRICKING TOOLS(not you guys except amid) said the same thing when my chargers got jobbed by Ed Hoculi....I was ****ed then and I'm ****ed now!!!!

[JUIC3D 3]

*eats popcorn, then hands a bag to twosilk*

Even the blindest Ref in the NFL would not call a penalty that isnt even there

See, that's where we disagree.

[Birdman1702]

:rolleyes: pretty much the biggest B.S I've ever read. A computer hit's a player on the floor and you accept it???Are you serious? That should be grounds for removal in itself.

If a guy gets hit while he is on the ground, is it not a penalty??? I know some of these late hits are questionable, but I see nothing in the rules that tells me I have to decline them.

Do you not accept AI holding or PI or block in the back penalties??? Some of those are just as questionable. Until I see something in the rules that tells me to decline all penalties, I see no reason why I should.

[nflhitman]

if you put freak out in the first round, who was really in your way the rest of the way?? wasn't freak like 14-2 or something like that? so to beat him in the first round would have given you a chance to take home the title, or am i wrong here too??

Ummmmm.........

Freak had an 11-5 record and I would have ended up in the next round playing FLAxWLESS who had a 14-2 record.

So yea your wrong here also.

[twosilk]

well sorry seems like you had your work cut out either way, but still say the game should stand, you got hosed ok bad call, but no reason to replay the game.

[ImBACKK,killah5]

If a guy gets hit while he is on the ground, is it not a penalty??? I know some of these late hits are questionable, but I see nothing in the rules that tells me I have to decline them.

Do you not accept AI holding or PI or block in the back penalties??? Some of those are just as questionable. Until I see something in the rules that tells me to decline all penalties, I see no reason why I should.

I said when the computer hits someone on the ground. I have no control of the computer after a play if they hit someone after the play is over how the f%$$ is it my fault? Why should I be penalized for that. Responses like the one you have previously stated tells me all I need to know about a person. I'm sorry but accepting all penalties even the overly B.S one's are a pretty classless thing to do and this is coming from number1killah5 the most classless mutha f%$$ka you have or will ever meet.

[twosilk]

*eats popcorn, then hands a bag to twosilk*





dang juic3d, you Canadians don't use butter?? is this molson on the popcorn???

[JUIC3D 3]

*Sees 4 minutes between a new post*

*Tries to start it back up*

Come on HITMAN!!!!

You're losing 5-2. Step up!

[Fre@k of $atan7]

Had Hitman shown a little professionalism here, We would not be having this discussion. Instead he comes at me saying "THIS GAME WILL BE REPLAYED" "LEGAL PENALTIES ARE PART OF THE F**KING GAME"

This is his first post to me on XBOX LIVE

"When did it become ok to accept ******** penalties? Big difference in game if you dont accept. Probably tied 3-3. Ball bounces on ground fair catch rule no longer applies and you accepted it? WHY!? Do you have to win that badly?"

His second

"Penalties are part of the game but not unrealistic penalties. Your guy got the ball not mine so how would it be 1st down for me? You accepted a ******** penalty that isnt a penaltie in the NFL!. This game will be replayed."

I bolded the one part because that ****ed me off, Mutually agreeing to replay it would have been the best scenerio, but he ruled that out by saying what I bolded above.

I'm a pretty nice guy, I do get aggravated with losses just like everyone else. But to come in and try to power trip...Sorry I'm not having that. Hitman should know that. With all that has been said. I am all for resetting the game and replaying it. But if you want to come at me the way you did, Don't expect me to lay down and take it. Had you thought about what you were going to say and used just a little bit of tact before saying it. It would have never come to this.

[twosilk]

wow, this is really close, need a strong closing arguement from somebody here!!!!

[ImBACKK,killah5]

We should start up a fight club *cough* I mean chat.

[JUIC3D 3]

dang juic3d, you Canadians don't use butter?? is this molson on the popcorn???

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Actually, I'm not a Molson guy. ***anee or Keiths all the way.

Interesting fact about Molson's: There head business office is located in ... *dramatic music* USA!!!?

You can't say Ko kanee on here? WTF?

[amid]

this is almost the part where guys are allowed to hug each other

[ImBACKK,killah5]

this is the part where guys are allowed to hug each other

"hug"? *dropkicks amid in the head*

[nflhitman]

Fine!

Freak you will move on since winning is the only thing you care about but I will tell you this. I was in the game as you were and since I see you will lie to get your way I will not listen to anything you ever have to say about someone elses game play. If someone you play has an issue about your game play I will instantly come back to this and remember that you will lie to get a win or move on in the playoffs. I have no need to lie and my sorry playoff record shows I dont need to do anything and everything to win a game either. Your gameplay and your I need to win moments and will do anything to achive this goal will stay in my memory.

[twosilk]

this is almost the part where guys are allowed to hug each other

this just got awkward!!!!!!!

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Anyone up for a DL9 game?

[twosilk]

getting on in a few, if you are not playing i will hit you up, blame maize and blue for my new attitude!!! (see dl9 draft link)

[JUIC3D 3]

this is almost the part where guys are allowed to hug each other

*Pictures 2 middle-aged, obese Americans hugging*

Eww.

[Birdman1702]

I said when the computer hits someone on the ground. I have no control of the computer after a play if they hit someone after the play is over how the f%$$ is it my fault? Why should I be penalized for that.Responses like the one you have previously stated tells me all I need to know about a person. I'm sorry but accepting all penalties even the overly B.S one's are a pretty classless thing to do and this is coming from number1killah5 the most classless mutha f%$$ka you have or will ever meet.

I can make the same argument for the penalties I mentioned. I have no control of my offensive lineman when he gets called for holding or blocking in the back or illegal man downfield, so why should I get penalized for that??? Penalties are a part of the game whether they're you're fault or not.

BTW, we have a DL8 playoff game to play. I don't know if I can play tonight, so does 9pm EST tomorrow work for you?

[Fre@k of $atan7]

Fine!

Freak you will move on since winning is the only thing you care about but I will tell you this. I was in the game as you were and since I see you will lie to get your way I will not listen to anything you ever have to say about someone elses game play. If someone you play has an issue about your game play I will instantly come back to this and remember that you will lie to get a win or move on in the playoffs. I have no need to lie and my sorry playoff record shows I dont need to do anything and everything to win a game either. Your gameplay and your I need to win moments and will do anything to achive this goal will stay in my memory.


whoa, good thing my last post came before this post, or I would have looked classless....

[ImBACKK,killah5]

I can make the same argument for the penalties I mentioned. I have no control of my offensive lineman when he gets called for holding or blocking in the back or illegal man downfield, so why should I get penalized for that??? Penalties are a part of the game whether they're you're fault or not.

...Are you seriously trying to compare the two? On a holding play the held block maybe the reason for a long run or a non sack On a illegal man downfield maybe the guy blocks someone and springs a guy for a score. Point is those things result in something. Wtf does a late hit result in for the team that get's called for it. Can you get a fumble on a late him? No if you could than you can argue he only got that fumble because of the late hit but you can't do that so your whole reasoning is B.S

[twosilk]

never accepted a late hit penalty, unless one is taken on me first, but birdman if that is your way of playing, and as long as you let that be known, dont really have a problem with it as it is not a surprise.

[Birdman1702]

...Are you seriously trying to compare the two? On a holding play the held block maybe the reason for a long run or a non sack On a illegal man downfield maybe the guy blocks someone and springs a guy for a score. Point is those things result in something. Wtf does a late hit result in for the team that get's called for it. Can you get a fumble on a late him? No if you could than you can argue he only got that fumble because of the late hit but you can't do that so your whole reasoning is B.S

Or a held block could be on the backside of the play and make absolutely no difference at all...or it may not be a hold at all.

To answer your question, I have seen guys get injured on late hit penalties, so you could get something from a late hit!!! My reasoning is absolutely valid....penalties are a part of football!! How is that BS??

Twosilk, to be honest, if a guy declines a late hit penalty against me first, then I'll do the same throughout that game. All I'm saying is that it doesn't bother me if someone accepts a late hit or any other penalty (whether intentional or not) because BS happens in almost every NFL game, and it is my job to overcome my teams mistakes (even if they're not my fault).

[Bowdown]

i agree with killah :eek:

loss of possession - should accept the penalty
gain extra yards - decline

Ditto, my vote as well. Sounds like a he said she said type of deal.

[96vegas]

How is it fine to accpet a penalty that isnt even a real penalty? I have lost games because I have declined ******** penalties like a PI that your talking about.

Man up and make the stop twosilk? He was moved inside my 20 as I was winning 3-0 in the 4th Q under 3 minutes left. If I would have stopped him every down he would have still be able to kick the FG and tie the game.

Just for the record if there is a questionable penalty I will go to replay and decline it. Maybe you wouldnt twosilk but I do. I am here for a fun , fair game not a game that is decided because he wasnt able to move the ball and score all game so he decides to accept a ******** penalty.

Thats like saying I can go 5 wide and punt with my QB and take the roughing the kicker penalty every time because I am supposed to man up and stop him right ;)
actually twosilk declines penalties when i play him alot and has declined them in our lg games as well when there b.s. cant say thay for anyone else in ur lg excep
t freak maybe hes declined late hits b4

[Valdarez]

I'm not in this league, but my view is that when there's controversy, the Commish should always hold themselves to a higher standard, and take the higher road, even if that means a penalty to themselves. That way there's never any discussion with regards to fairness in the league, and the Commish gets the praise for doing the right thing, the league maintains it's integrity, and the other 95% of the players feel they have been dealt a fair hand.

Was there a rule about accepting or not accepting this kind of penalty? I think the easiest way to play a league is that all players have the right to accept all penalties, avoids problems like this one.

[96vegas]

whoa, good thing my last post came before this post, or I would have looked classless....

the only problems i ever had with freaks game was his rinky dink 3-2 defense which no team ever runs on first down and his excessive zone covergae that he wont get out of and his 50 fade routes per game but he has never accepted a b.s. penalty against me and no late hits no neutral zone infractions ever has freak accepted..i would much rather play freak or 2silk in a playof game than anyone else and i have been challenging him latley and hes been leaving the lobby....my last game i played hitman, hitman accepted a late hit penalty in which i stomped him 30-7becuz of that also my linebackers helmet was over the l.o.s. he accepted...and this was a lobby game.so what does that tell you

[Bowdown]

the only problems i ever had with freaks game was his rinky dink 3-2 defense which no team ever runs on first down and his excessive zone covergae that he wont get out of and his 50 fade routes per game but he has never accepted a b.s. penalty against me and no late hits no neutral zone infractions ever has freak accepted..i would much rather play freak or 2silk in a playof game than anyone else and i have been challenging him latley and hes been leaving the lobby....my last game i played hitman, hitman accepted a late hit penalty in which i stomped him 30-7becuz of that also my linebackers helmet was over the l.o.s. he accepted...and this was a lobby game.so what does that tell you

If this is the same Vega I held to 54 total yards, your opinion shouldn't even count, accusing me of cheating my way to mandhandle you like a little boy.

[BAM BAM 125]

freak should of let the ball bounce. he got greedy and went to pick it up, he should of left it alone. that fair catch penalty was bull.

[nflhitman]

the only problems i ever had with freaks game was his rinky dink 3-2 defense which no team ever runs on first down and his excessive zone covergae that he wont get out of and his 50 fade routes per game but he has never accepted a b.s. penalty against me and no late hits no neutral zone infractions ever has freak accepted..i would much rather play freak or 2silk in a playof game than anyone else and i have been challenging him latley and hes been leaving the lobby....my last game i played hitman, hitman accepted a late hit penalty in which i stomped him 30-7becuz of that also my linebackers helmet was over the l.o.s. he accepted...and this was a lobby game.so what does that tell you


Playing a game against you is never the same as playing a standup guy in my leagues. I bring out all the garbage when I play you because thats what you bring.

[nflhitman]

I'm not in this league, but my view is that when there's controversy, the Commish should always hold themselves to a higher standard, and take the higher road, even if that means a penalty to themselves. That way there's never any discussion with regards to fairness in the league, and the Commish gets the praise for doing the right thing, the league maintains it's integrity, and the other 95% of the players feel they have been dealt a fair hand.

Was there a rule about accepting or not accepting this kind of penalty? I think the easiest way to play a league is that all players have the right to accept all penalties, avoids problems like this one.

Valdarez I already no how you are with penalties and IMO your wrong also. You use the excuse that Momentum will shift LOL. OK ;)

I hope this same exact thing happens to you in your NSL playoffs and we will see how you feel than.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

the only problems i ever had with freaks game was his rinky dink 3-2 defense which no team ever runs on first down

I have never run a 3-2, I'm pretty much a 4-3 guy 90% of the time


and his excessive zone covergae that he wont get out of and his 50 fade routes per game


You don't put a safety over the top and you will get killed, especially if that CB is a Bronze or Generic. As for the Zones, you are just made that I won't play Man and let you out me to death :D



but he has never accepted a b.s. penalty against me and no late hits no neutral zone infractions ever has freak accepted..


If the penalty wasn't a change of possession penalty, I would have never accepted it.

[Valdarez]

Valdarez I already no how you are with penalties and IMO your wrong also. You use the excuse that Momentum will shift LOL. OK ;)

I hope this same exact thing happens to you in your NSL playoffs and we will see how you feel than.
It's an explanation, not an excuse, but yes, it does affect momentum in the game. Still, if you have the option to accept all of them, then there's no question as what to do in a situation such as this one.

Was there a rule in play for this type of situation? If there's no rule in play, then there should be no harm, no foul right?

[Fre@k of $atan7]

It's an explanation, not an excuse, but yes, it does affect momentum in the game. Still, if you have the option to accept all of them, then there's no question as what to do in a situation such as this one.

Was there a rule in play for this type of situation? If there's no rule in play, then there should be no harm, no foul right?

That's really how it should be......You can't really say all or nothing because if no penalties are going to be accepted, then there is nothing to prevent your opponant from teeing off on the receiver before the ball get's to him. But guidelines to penalties should be there.

So hitman, if the roles were reverserd, would you have declined the penalty and given me the ball back?

[FLAxWLESS]

Didn't read 8 pages of mumbo jumbo but here's my thoughts on the matter:

1) Is there an explicit rule regarding how penalties should be addressed?

In my league ALL LATE HIT PENALTIES MUST BE DECLINE unless it results in an injury (yet to happen). All other penalties are at the discretion of the players.

So if there is no rules regarding penalties/this penalty then Freak did no wrong.

2) Did he possibly accept a cheap victory? Maybe... then again you still had to stop him (failed) and you got the ball ball with a chance to win (failed). So that's 2 chances right there.

Also the returners in this game are so stupid sometimes it's almost fair game when it comes to these type of penalties. I'm pretty sure if the returner wasn't a retard he should have be able to get a clean catch on the ball.

TO summarize:

If Freak did not break a rule the game should not be reset. Everything else is just a matter of opinion on "gaming etiquette/honor."

[nflhitman]

Didn't read 8 pages of mumbo jumbo but here's my thoughts on the matter:

1) Is there an explicit rule regarding how penalties should be addressed?

In my league ALL LATE HIT PENALTIES MUST BE DECLINE unless it results in an injury (yet to happen). All other penalties are at the discretion of the players.

So if there is no rules regarding penalties/this penalty then Freak did no wrong.

2) Did he possibly accept a cheap victory? Maybe... then again you still had to stop him (failed) and you got the ball ball with a chance to win (failed). So that's 2 chances right there.

Also the returners in this game are so stupid sometimes it's almost fair game when it comes to these type of penalties. I'm pretty sure if the returner wasn't a retard he should have be able to get a clean catch on the ball.

TO summarize:

If Freak did not break a rule the game should not be reset. Everything else is just a matter of opinion on "gaming etiquette/honor."

He was the return man. He let the ball bounce than went over manually to try and field the ball off the ground. I tackled him and got a fair catch interference penalty that he accepted.

[FLAxWLESS]

He was the return man. He let the ball bounce than went over manually to try and field the ball off the ground. I tackled him and got a fair catch interference penalty that he accepted.

That's was just a side point, anyways but the fact that he manually tried to field it doesn't make it any better. Actually, it makes returners worse as returnersget stiff, can't even pick up the damn ball on the ground, and for some reason fail to dive on it.

The main point being especially since you are commish is to follow the letter or the law.

If he didn't break a RULE then the game shouldn't reset.
What you are complaining about is a sportsmanship matter, IMO.

[96vegas]

Playing a game against you is never the same as playing a standup guy in my leagues. I bring out all the garbage when I play you because thats what you bring.
i bring garbage when u accept a late hit penalty uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh ok my guy is 3 inches offsides and u accept..the game was going pretty good until that penalty but im bringing the garbage ok..

[96vegas]

If this is the same Vega I held to 54 total yards, your opinion shouldn't even count, accusing me of cheating my way to mandhandle you like a little boy.
is this 15 yr old kid even talking go play naruto or someting

[Bowdown]

is this 15 yr old kid even talking go play naruto or someting


Jaja it is him!!! 96vegas? that makes you what? mabye 12 depending on your birth month :rotfl:

[nflhitman]

i bring garbage when u accept a late hit penalty uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh ok my guy is 3 inches offsides and u accept..the game was going pretty good until that penalty but im bringing the garbage ok..

vegas96 you bring nothing but garbage and therefore is subject to having only one person in this game that will play you and that is twosilk. You said it yourself that the people in these leagues just ignore your invite's to play this game.

If the game is going good for you than you are a talkikng machine with a lot of swagger and laughter.

If the game is going bad for you than you will never hear a peep from your mic.

If people enjoyed your gameplay they would be lining up to play you.

Why be the Giants anyway?? You have no NFL team you cheer on right? There is no team in the NFL you claim to be your team yet in the Superbowl you suddenly became a Giants fan vcalling all your family members talking about how great it was LOL.

Just like in this game.... When your winning the world is great but when your losing it can go to hell.

[nyknicks33]

If the ball hits the ground, there should not be a fair catch interference penalty.

[twosilk]

vegas96 you bring nothing but garbage and therefore is subject to having only one person in this game that will play you and that is twosilk. You said it yourself that the people in these leagues just ignore your invite's to play this game.

If the game is going good for you than you are a talkikng machine with a lot of swagger and laughter.

If the game is going bad for you than you will never hear a peep from your mic.

If people enjoyed your gameplay they would be lining up to play you.

Why be the Giants anyway?? You have no NFL team you cheer on right? There is no team in the NFL you claim to be your team yet in the Superbowl you suddenly became a Giants fan vcalling all your family members talking about how great it was LOL.

Just like in this game.... When your winning the world is great but when your losing it can go to hell.

why am being brought into this? because I play vegas a lot? he has shown me a lot of things that I didn't know is he the most sim player I know? hell no, but he doesn't pretend to be either I have called bs with vegas more than I can remember, but with that being said he unlike a lot of people on here is willing to help me get better. but why when you and him get into anything why am I the first name brought up?

[zhaoyun707]

why am being brought into this? because I play vegas a lot? he has shown me a lot of things that I didn't know is he the most sim player I know? hell no, but he doesn't pretend to be either I have called bs with vegas more than I can remember, but with that being said he unlike a lot of people on here is willing to help me get better. but why when you and him get into anything why am I the first name brought up?

CUz your sexy... :) MEAN MAGIC!

[96vegas]

vegas96 you bring nothing but garbage and therefore is subject to having only one person in this game that will play you and that is twosilk. You said it yourself that the people in these leagues just ignore your invite's to play this game.

If the game is going good for you than you are a talkikng machine with a lot of swagger and laughter.

If the game is going bad for you than you will never hear a peep from your mic.

If people enjoyed your gameplay they would be lining up to play you.

Why be the Giants anyway?? You have no NFL team you cheer on right? There is no team in the NFL you claim to be your team yet in the Superbowl you suddenly became a Giants fan vcalling all your family members talking about how great it was LOL.

Just like in this game.... When your winning the world is great but when your losing it can go to hell. first of all do u even talk on the game no u dont maybe if u did talk to freak this silly vote and thread made by you when u lose wouldnt exist..but u dont like talking to anyone unless u have to unless it suits ur interest.."guys lining up to play me" i play pusherd twosilk freak valdarez last night.why would these other guys line up to play me when im not in any of ur silly lgs.. why do i need a team to cheer when i know ur team sucks 44-6 ring a bell why dont u answer the phone when there losing............. can this team even play in new york cant play in upstate cant play in the city
lol..as far as the superbowl, about 90 percent of the country rooted for the giants kinda funny i invite u over to watch the superbowl on 65 hdtv and u mention i rooted for them like they were my team and didnt just sit there like a stiff monkey like u kinda funny u can take an act of kindness like the superbowl game and talk about someone ...lol typical i think these forums are learning more about u..and as far as me not talking when im losing ive played plenty of people and lost and still talked thru the game.i talk to freak and others (who u always mention) about every game i play
''i bring nothing but garbage'' the last game we played was legit until u accepted the late hit penalty but yet u say i bring garbage. la de da

[Tell22]

Wow, this is Loreno Bobbit / MCARDOSO Part II...but this one has spilled to the forums

[nflhitman]

Wow, this is Loreno Bobbit / MCARDOSO Part II...but this one has spilled to the forums

Yea the Seahawks sucked yesterday and 3 of the 4 games they have sucked.

[nflhitman]

That's really how it should be......You can't really say all or nothing because if no penalties are going to be accepted, then there is nothing to prevent your opponant from teeing off on the receiver before the ball get's to him. But guidelines to penalties should be there.

So hitman, if the roles were reverserd, would you have declined the penalty and given me the ball back?

Tell you the truth I would have. I would have punted the ball back to you where you should have gotten the ball. I know thats hard to believe but I would have. I mean if I got the ball from you declining if your guy didnt get it I would have punted the ball back to you.

[Trekie]

Tell you the truth I would have. I would have punted the ball back to you where you should have gotten the ball. I know thats hard to believe but I would have. I mean if I got the ball from you declining if your guy didnt get it I would have punted the ball back to you.

I don't want to get in the middle of this but I do want to make one comment about Hitman. He's the only guy I've played that pauses the game and will send a note prior to going for it on a 2 point conversion even though it's the obvious play to make. I've had Hitman send me notes during the game if he is about to do anything that may constitute something out of the ordinary.

[twosilk]

if everyone used a headset this would be a moot point! I enjoy talking while playing (even to vegas) makes my beating a little more tolerable if I can get a laugh or two in.

[nflhitman]

if everyone used a headset this would be a moot point! I enjoy talking while playing (even to vegas) makes my beating a little more tolerable if I can get a laugh or two in.

From now on I will wear a Headset. I will go and buy another one today. With all the kids my wife watches they get broke or don't work correctly. The only reason my Controller still works is because my wife will put it up on my Seahawks vending machine on top of the Hasselbeck football so now one goes near it. I have yet to find a headset that actually works the way I would like it to. I wouldnt mind spending $100 if the headset was actually worth it.

The issue I have with the headsets that are available is that since my wife has 6 kids including vegas96 kids to watch along with my own 2 sons and there friends creates a lot of back ground noise for my opponent. If you dont mind hearing all the loud kids or the cartoons in the background than I will have a headset on. I will go to gamestop today when I take the wife grocery shopping and see what my options are.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

From now on I will wear a Headset. I will go and buy another one today. With all the kids my wife watches they get broke or don't work correctly. The only reason my Controller still works is because my wife will put it up on my Seahawks vending machine on top of the Hasselbeck football so now one goes near it. I have yet to find a headset that actually works the way I would like it to. I wouldnt mind spending $100 if the headset was actually worth it.

The issue I have with the headsets that are available is that since my wife has 6 kids including vegas96 kids to watch along with my own 2 sons and there friends creates a lot of back ground noise for my opponent. If you dont mind hearing all the loud kids or the cartoons in the background than I will have a headset on. I will go to gamestop today when I take the wife grocery shopping and see what my options are.

My wife runs a daycare also and I have the same problems, but I just put my stuff away when I'm done. I think by both of us having MICS, it would have solved the whole issue before it became an issue. As for background noise, shouldn't be a problem if if you flip your mic on/off everytime you talk.

[twosilk]

My wife runs a daycare also and I have the same problems, but I just put my stuff away when I'm done. I think by both of us having MICS, it would have solved the whole issue before it became an issue. As for background noise, shouldn't be a problem if if you flip your mic on/off everytime you talk.

hey hitman gamestop has a messenger kit (headset and keyboard ) for 29.99 new this is well worth it makes sending messages simple as you have a keyboard that plugs into the controller

[nflhitman]

hey hitman gamestop has a messenger kit (headset and keyboard ) for 29.99 new this is well worth it makes sending messages simple as you have a keyboard that plugs into the controller

I bought that before and the headset got broke and the keyboard was awkward to use so I gave the keyboard to veags96.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

Hitman...Do you still love me :( you didn't reply to either two of my messages last night for a game in either league

[nflhitman]

Hitman...Do you still love me :( you didn't reply to either two of my messages last night for a game in either league

Why would I want to play you after that game yesterday? Lets be real here.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

Why would I want to play you after that game yesterday? Lets be real here.

So now you are making no sense...You come in here telling us we have to replay the game (Thus stating you want to play me again) and now this

[nflhitman]

So now you are making no sense...You come in here telling us we have to replay the game (Thus stating you want to play me again) and now this

The playoffs was advanced with you moving on which I stated yesterday.

[nflhitman]

So now you are making no sense...You come in here telling us we have to replay the game (Thus stating you want to play me again) and now this

I advanced the playoff with moving on as I stated yesterday.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

I advanced the playoff with moving on as I stated yesterday.
Did you not see my post before your post about replaying the game?

[nflhitman]

Did you not see my post before your post about replaying the game?

I saw your post about Classlessness. You were moved on already so it doesnt matter.

[zhaoyun707]

This thread should be closed. It is targeting people.

[Av3ng3d Ryd3r]

Here is what I can say, if the ball was hypothetically recovered on the thirty, and he marched down the field the 20 yards he did, he would've at least scored a field goal from the 10 (assuming he isn't a horrendous kicker) tying the game, sending into overtime AT BEST, if he scored from 30 yards it would be completely your fault. So we can deduce that you should punt the ball over 30 yards, if you wish not to lose games from this whole mishap. Ray Guy FTW.

[Ebineezer]

I think the game should stand. Freak had no choice if he wanted to keep the ball and it sucks to get put in a rough spot due to officiating or lack there of. But just like in real football, officiating can decide the outcome of a game. It sucks but that's sports.

I second what Elgreazy is saying. In my opinion, there is now way that penalty should have been accepted. As a result of that fluke penalty being called, the circumstances of the game changed. Yes, this does happen in real football but as gamers we have the ability to replay and decide to accept the penalty or decline based on our findings after review. I'm sure the game could have went either way with or without the penalty but I would have felt guilty in taking that penalty. Playing the game over wouldn't have helped either due to momentum or lack their of, so I think Hitman did the best thing in advancing the playoffs and leaving things as they are.:thumbsup:Good luck with the rest of your season guys!