Wheres the D???

[BiggiePR]

Im a little worried, i have played 3 games now with the Heat, im 0-3, im normally a good defender in all 2k games, i know this is only 3 games but i started playing on HOF, vs the knicks, they scored 120 points on me on 9 min qtrs, then i downed the diff to superstar, same thing.. then even in all star i got flamed.... what the heck is going on here?? Is it me or are you having this same problem??? The CPU doesnt miss sometimes even with 2 or 3 defenders on! Fadeaways, etc.. everything goes in... and i can score almost at will on HOF too... im beginning to think that this is a global prob with the game... the lack of D, but i can be wrong, or im probably wrong.. just let me know how it goes for you! Thanks!

[Problem-Chyld]

Im a little worried, i have played 3 games now with the Heat, im 0-3, im normally a good defender in all 2k games, i know this is only 3 games but i started playing on HOF, vs the knicks, they scored 120 points on me on 9 min qtrs, then i downed the diff to superstar, same thing.. then even in all star i got flamed.... what the heck is going on here?? Is it me or are you having this same problem??? The CPU doesnt miss sometimes even with 2 or 3 defenders on! Fadeaways, etc.. everything goes in... and i can score almost at will on HOF too... im beginning to think that this is a global prob with the game... the lack of D, but i can be wrong, or im probably wrong.. just let me know how it goes for you! Thanks!

ill let you know how live goes for me

[BiggiePR]

Well i just got my first win, 100 - 102 in HOF, still got burned by Kevin Martin... but im getting used to the game now.. it was me, the game is juts harder... and thats a good thing..

[SPARTAN2989]

WHENS THE LAST TIME ANYONES DROPPED 83 POINTS WITH NASH ON SUPERSTAR TELL ME PLS ..I DONT WANNA GET BIG HEADED BUT THAT DOESNT HAPPEN ON THE COURT OR OFF THE COURT < aka 2k

[Floydbeee]

Im a little worried, i have played 3 games now with the Heat, im 0-3, im normally a good defender in all 2k games, i know this is only 3 games but i started playing on HOF, vs the knicks, they scored 120 points on me on 9 min qtrs, then i downed the diff to superstar, same thing.. then even in all star i got flamed.... what the heck is going on here?? Is it me or are you having this same problem??? The CPU doesnt miss sometimes even with 2 or 3 defenders on! Fadeaways, etc.. everything goes in... and i can score almost at will on HOF too... im beginning to think that this is a global prob with the game... the lack of D, but i can be wrong, or im probably wrong.. just let me know how it goes for you! Thanks!


You can't expect to be good at all the 2k games son!!! Now you got to practice and learn the game. You shuold be concerned. See you on the court..:D

[BiggiePR]

It is so freaking hard to stay in front of guards... they drive on me so easy... even big guys like duncan, the thing is that when you use the lock on D, it doesnt lasts like before... and it lets the lane open for an easy drive or dish if i help with the nearest weak side defender.. i can score, but damn.. it is frustrating.. this is all on HOF, i gopt no probs on any other diff anymore...

[jdiddy_ub]

i have the same problem..i can still be competitive on allstar and superstar difficulty but i have to resort to cheap layups and fakes....the CPU is like 95% on post ups..the hook shot is wayyyy to effective in this game...even average big man can shoot like 85% on hook shots...and the computer launches 3's whenever there is an inch of room (and makes it like 75% of the time) when did every guard in the NBA develop ray allen like tendencies....even in WIDE OPEN situations an nba player would only make like 50% of his 3s (in game situations) when hes on fire...defense in this game is non exist and the lock down D was good in theory but bad in practice..they should just go back to the days where L trigger was just a defensive stance...oh..one more thing, your CPU teammates have no sense of defense either...the AI still cuts to the basket for easy layups far to often and my CPU defender just keeps getting burned..and when your CPU teammates decide to double team a big man who is on fire..they often leave the deadliest shooters on the other team open...in real life the players with the weakest outside shooting opponent is the one that sags and cheats towards big men..not the guy guarding michael redd and ray allen...game is almost unplayable

[BiggiePR]

^^^^^ Thank you! Now i know its not me! Exact same issues... i think they over did it this year to make the game more difficult.. they just made it unrealistic to achieve that new level of difficulty....

[GEENOOBLI]

if u dont think its fair then turn down the sliders for cpu

[jdiddy_ub]

turning down the sliders for the cpu makes me feel like im cheating...winning only because the cpu cant make the shots the game would normally have them make

[Da Playa 06]

i dont have this problem, but then again i dont use the lock down defense i just stay in front of the offensive player. if the offensive player drives i quickly get to my C or PF and block the shot. i actually thought this game is better on defense than all the other 2ks, and as far as the shooting goes i do have that problem from time to time. you just have to press the jump button quickly, the players jump so high i usaully get a block. CPU hasn't gone over 100 on me yet ive been holding them to around 60-80 on HOF. try not using the lock on D and just stay in front manually and see how that works for ya

[TalibanAction]

Shooting definitely seems juiced this year. Seems like witha hand in the face, most shots are going down. I don't know how i feel about this yet b/c it's still very early.

And where is this signature defense they kept talking about? Who has it and how can I tell?

[popmastafl3x17]

i dont think its much of actual sig defense, they added suttin where u control how tight u play D and which way you want to force yur man(ball handler) to go.

[LakerFan121]

Hall of Fame difficulty? Forget about it. My first game in 2K9 was an exib. against the Jazz on HOF and they completely whooped my ***. Scoring like 40 pts. in the first quarter and there was nothing I could do about it. Had the hand in the face and everything. No dice. I also was a very good defensive player on 2K8 on HOF. My specialty was controlling the 5 spot and locking down the paint. So far in 2K9, I'm having enough problems trying to keep my man in front of me off the ball. Those *****s are so slippery in this game.

[schroedee]

What the heck.. me and my friends had fun playing 2k8 because it was difficult to score and frantic on D sometimes... Now its a SCORE FEST... What were you thinking.. Post up hook shot Post up hook shot... POST UP HOOK SHOT!!!!! then the pump fake ooooo you didnt jump..... easy bucket... Or the 5 guys on a crappy guy trying to stop him and the comp is like nope.... I sat there just trying to get one steall... Couldnt do it... Seems like you forgot what made your game so fun... Im never playing another 2k basketball game again... I feel like you put crap in a box... THANKS FOR NOTHING!!!

[pooh_wade816]

Hall of Fame difficulty? Forget about it. My first game in 2K9 was an exib. against the Jazz on HOF and they completely whooped my ***. Scoring like 40 pts. in the first quarter and there was nothing I could do about it. Had the hand in the face and everything. No dice. I also was a very good defensive player on 2K8 on HOF. My specialty was controlling the 5 spot and locking down the paint. So far in 2K9, I'm having enough problems trying to keep my man in front of me off the ball. Those *****s are so slippery in this game.

lol:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:, man, that's funny cuz I thought I was probably just sorry or a lil rusty. I went into Association w/ Orlando. Now, I play on HOF. 1st game is against the Hawks. We're both scorin back and forth. 3rd quarter they put a lead out there so I lost by 15...OK cool. Next game, Grizzles, OJ Mayo is got damn Jordan in disguise. They started w/ a 9-0 run...Mayo has 7 of the 9. All I can say is WOW!!! Keep playin we finally scored. Ok, we losing by 15 @ in end of 1. 2nd quarter starts and I look up @ the score I'm down by almost 30...I just had to cut the game off cuz I know good damn well if I would of kept playin I would of threw that controller @ my TV and been even more ****ed. They ****ed up this games Defense so bad...I don't know what to say. I'm just speechless right now, but I'm a wait till I make my final word about this game

[mffl_41]

i'm havig the same problems on hof. 0-2 with mavs. For me though my teammates play ****ty defense and the cpu locks me down. i'm just gettin frustrated.

[pooh_wade816]

i'm havig the same problems on hof. 0-2 with mavs. For me though my teammates play ****ty defense and the cpu locks me down. i'm just gettin frustrated.

Man, its almost bring tears to my eyes. I can't take this ****. You said it right...Your teammates play ****ty D, while the CPU locks us down...its just a lil too unreal

[Handz19]

I ain't gone lie i got my *** whooped too, when i played against my friends i didn't lose, but i was still mad cuz it was like a shooting fest everyone was unstoppable, but against the cpu, i'll do okay, but okay is not enough, I played against the Jazz HOF, D Will first three offensive plays were alleys, I was like u gotta be ******** me, people were complaining about ratings but the way its looking, shots is falling no matter wat......

[pooh_wade816]

I ain't gone lie i got my *** whooped too, when i played against my friends i didn't lose, but i was still mad cuz it was like a shooting fest everyone was unstoppable, but against the cpu, i'll do okay, but okay is not enough, I played against the Jazz HOF, D Will first three offensive plays were alleys, I was like u gotta be ******** me, people were complaining about ratings but the way its looking, shots is falling no matter wat......

I rather get done in by D Will than Mike Bibby...lol. He was just throwin them Oops to Josh Smith. Then like I said, rather its contested or wide open...the shot is gonna fall. I mean DAMN, I really don't wanna mess w/ the game sliders

[ctrob]

I just played the guy ranked #20 overall on PS3...his name was LA-NO-KOBE....one of the biggest cheesers I've seen to date. He pulled the plug in the 4th but I still got the win. I'm still undefeated if anyone wants to knock me off. I try to play sim all game, but I will fight fire with fire if necessary. But the beauty of this victory was the new lock on D that I have begun to understand the last few games....

Now it is much easier to score, and the post game definitely needs some slight tweaking. However, I just took Kobe out of the game by locking him up with Raja Bell. The Shading, and how far you want to play off your man all of it works fellas...just give it time. Also, I find it works better if you don't constantly hold it down. Let it go, and press it again when needed. It is a bit catered to the advanced user, but 2K never proclaimed to be a simple game. I wanted to save and upload the vids, but he pulled the plug.

In addition, another pleasant surprise to all of this, was that Raja Bell got tired super fast! I was so excited! It actually affected his offense by playing tough defense on KOBE!!! He was shooting airballs, running down court slow, and all that. 2K I apologize for the previous comments, I'm sorry! But this is great, now just improve the post D, and fix the online issues and we got a 10!

The last two things I saw and liked are this, he tried to fullcourt lob to kobe all game, but it wasn't working because the defense actually gets back quickly this year. They get in even better position if you tweak the settings. Also, like that OS vid showed, the spacing is awesome. He tried to double team every player, and I was able to pass the ball around and find the open man with ease. Also he ran around with Kobe and tried to steal from every player...lets just say Grant Hill got hot, and his mid-range game got deadly!

Overall 2K, I'm happy...good job fellas!

[Itzlikethat]

I see that a lot people complaining about cpu making unrealistic shots. I know people think they are "Cheating" if they adjust the sliders but that is the reason why the sliders exist. I haven't gotten to HOF yet but i'm playing on superstar as i'm adjusting the sliders to make the most athentic sim game possible. I don't want to make every shot but if i'm open i should be making a good amount of those shots. I don't believe uncontested lay-ups should be missed. Also cpu and you should be on a level playing field so however u adjust the sliders do the same for the cpu, so it is fair. I don't care if Kobe lights me up but not if some bench player starts making impossible shots I obviously have the sliders tooo high. You have to find the adjustments that make it as sim as possible at least that is what i'm trying to do. :dance:

[BiggiePR]

I too fell like adjusting the sliders is cheating! I do want to master the game like it is! I always find a way!Most of us do.. is all about getting use to the new game1 Well see in a few days!!

So far imo the thing is to adjust, Double team, change defenses, strategy, strategy, strategy! That is what has worked for me so far, but im still getting burned.... im 1 - 4 but ive lost 2 close games... i still cant stop no one but im getting better...

[revelation227]

Hall of Fame difficulty? Forget about it. My first game in 2K9 was an exib. against the Jazz on HOF and they completely whooped my ***. Scoring like 40 pts. in the first quarter and there was nothing I could do about it. Had the hand in the face and everything. No dice. I also was a very good defensive player on 2K8 on HOF. My specialty was controlling the 5 spot and locking down the paint. So far in 2K9, I'm having enough problems trying to keep my man in front of me off the ball. Those *****s are so slippery in this game.

Oh, so were one of those guys that use only the center for defense and can't play sraight up D man 2 man. Cheese and total lack of simulation.

[mffl_41]

I'm just gonna keep playing with the default sliders on hof and hope i get good enough to beat a team. LOL

[shonnyb]

I agree. my team has no d-awaremess. The comp makes all types of all world shots on HOF.. I feel like adjusting the slider is cheating a little bit, BUT I am going to have too. they make all their low post shots and when you try to block them it's a foul on you.

[exciter3093]

OK Here is a few thing ive noticed since i got the game on friday.

Post play is way too efficient, even with garbage centers.

lock down D is very jerky and almost useless as opposed to playing a man without it.

Pick and roll is hit and miss, more so miss because your players don't always roll to the basket when they are free.

My 2 biggest concerns are not being able to shoot quickly out of the triple threat
and playing post defense. Does anyone know if it is at all possible hold down your position on defense in the post without getting pushed back in the paint. It isnt listed in the manual so I am not sure if it is there or not. Let me know what you guys think.

[2kballa4life]

Yeah, the shooting percentage of the CPU seems a bit crazy. They make A LOT of contested shots that should miss and it seems like if you leave them open for a second and they shoot it's in. But it's hit and miss too. Certain times everything falls and certain times it's more realistic. idk. I've played 3 games with Rockets in Association. Yao is averaging 51 points a game. Record is 2-1 on All-Star. I honestly don't wanna play it any higher bc there are times with the CPU even at this level I get ****ed off lol, cause unrealistic **** goes in. I've played the Knicks, they dropped 119 on me! Shooting 65% at half. Starbury lit me up from 3point. He couldn't miss for a while. I started laughing. I dropped 131 on them and was shooting 70% at half. Yoa had 54 pts and 13 boards. Played the Hawks and lost..bad. Bibby tore me a new one. Oops to Josh Smith from a unrealistic distance. He did it off an in bound pass one time. I have yet to have a more realistic score, I'm hoping it gets more realistic as the season progresses factoring in player fatigue, etc. idk. It does seem a bit ludacris at this point. Hope 2k brings some sort of patch. Cause what I've experienced so far along with the rest of you deserves a second look. Serious issues from time to time.

[zekeiztheruler]

Someone please tell me why daniels keeps making contested layups on my team?!?! I cant hit $h!+ with wade and this guy is droping layups like he is MJ.

[zekeiztheruler]

Patch this game now!!!!!!!!!!

[zekeiztheruler]

iS IT ME OR ARE THE BAD TEAMS REALLY BAD ON HERE?

[2kballa4life]

Someone please tell me why daniels keeps making contested layups on my team?!?! I cant hit $h!+ with wade and this guy is droping layups like he is MJ.

I tried to an assocation with the Bobcats, I played Orlando first game. DHoward owned the paint, like 3 blocks in 1 min. Lewis got his...but then, they subbed the entire bench..and I'm thinkin good ok now I can score with some consistancy. Nope...micheal petris, however you spell it, started shooting, dribbling, and driving like he was MJ...I was at a loss for words. The ended up killing me with 156 pts at the end of the game??? Ummm...

oh, and I play on 10 min quarters. Howard didn't play the entire second half and still got player of the game. wtf....

[zekeiztheruler]

Anybody know how to fix that inbound glitch ive been hearing about , my friend says his is doing that on Ps3, I'm on xbox360....haven't seen it yet.

[toosmoothforya]

THe CPU is tight. Leave guard open it's a 3 players cut to basket for easy dunk. Also PG have an inch of space it a long animations for a foul and 1

[BiggiePR]

I keep playing and i keep getting better on one on one defense but my team cant guard anyone!!! easy cuts, the cpu simly doesnt miss! This is a general fault of the game... they messed this game up!!! It got a little to the Live side this year! Just too much scoring by the CPU.. not that realistic if you ask me!!

thats said! Incredible game overall!! They just need to patch it up and they have a 10 out of 10 from me!

[leeis2k]

Yeah 2k really is trying to kill its sim fans,I mean there is little to no way to get defensive stops on this game. 67%? not a nba sim. 2K MAKE A PATCH!!!!!!!!!!

[BiggiePR]

LOL, i played the Spurs in SUPERSTAR!!! They scored 130 points on me!! Duncan Scored 41 pts on 18 from 22 shooting and im pretty sure that 2 of those misses were weak side blocks that i had on him.... this is BS. Even in Superstar diff... im the Heat im going to have to go look for a good defensive big man to see if something happens... ive controlled the perimeter scorign a bit, but im getting KILLED in the paint.... FRUSTRATING TO SAY THE LEAST!

[The Prodigy]

yeah i feeel the same as jdiddy...when i change the sliders it makes me feel like i am cheating bc i am doing something too powerful for any player to change ...if for example i turn my shooting slider down all the way there is no way any guy can shoot over 20% something that is out of my control ...point is i think changing sliders is like changing the difficulty so you can win

[BiggiePR]

I just Aquired Elton Brand for Shawn Matrion, Mario Clalmers and a 2nd round pick to help my inside scoring. SAME crap, he was getting killed by David West, got too frustrating, i turned off the console before i smashed it against the floor!! lol!!

This is a ****ty game, theres no way, oi mean no way of defending the post.... even in superstar difficulty... not even HOF.... they messed up this game badly if you ask me! im frustrated!!!

[t-mac_88]

i think this year's gameplay is more arcade-like..and you are right, in my first game in association(superstar lvl) i won(120-117!) but i was really pushed to the limits..defence is awful and the block-outs sometimes even worse..

[toosmoothforya]

Anyone played Live? If you've played 2k9 than you might as well play live. Scoring,scoring and more scoring. PG with a inch of room soehow go into a long layup animation from 3 pt line for a score or foul. alleys to anyone from anywhere. big man make even shot. shaw took a hook sot at free throw line and it went in!!1 He can't shoot a reg free throw!! I'm lost. Can't dribble past anyone and always wlays pull up for jump shot. The timing is wayy precise

[ro logic]

is it just me or does the cpu cheese in every way possible. i been playing and i get pinned anytime i get close to the basket. byum could be ontop of the key and he runs down when i am shooting and amazingly pins the hell out of brons or tmac or dirk or whoever that don't get pinned often. i noticed you have to keep the cpu from scoring too many points in a row or else game is done, you can't even defend anymore cause they just going drop it in your face. block the shot and they get it right back and find the best shooter that is set up on the 3pt line and drain it. it doesn't even make sense blocking the ball or even trying to rebound a missed shot. it becomes unplayable when you air- ball wide open jump shot thats you worked so hard to find, that just **** me off. also i don't know if you guys notice, but the defense reacts to the button you press, that means if you spin right, the are in front of you, and if you press the shoot button, the jump before your guy even jumps. i been posting these problems in like every post, i really just want to hear someone else opinion.

[ibucksgobadgers]

I agree with u jdiddy_ub.

[Steptome1]

I hold people to 40-50 sometimes 60 when I'm playing online. I like it. (280 rank this week,23 games, I had a rough start) You just can't play one on one with a good post player or anyone close enough to the basket. I agree it is more arcade like but I like that lead passing is toned down so it makes it easier to bring help. Some people say the double teams are not as effective but in certain situations the double team works nicely. Also it is a lot easier to block shots in this version so keep your men in position! I had 4 blocks in the span of like 12 seconds last night.

[dnetherly]

Right you should turn down the sliders and then when you feel adjusted to the gameplay gradually turn them up. Adaptation

[docomospur]

This is the first version of 2K I've played that I had to touch the sliders. The only problem I have with this is that the basic game should be designed to be realistic and that the sliders are really for tweaking, e.g. if you want the game to run and gun like Live or NBA Jam. We shouldn't need to fudge around with the sliders to keep things real.

[jimo2305]

this thread made me laugh because it's so true..

yea i was really reluctant to mess with the sliders man.. but after louis williams of the 76ers crossed over 3 of my guys in the lane and laid it up and swished it.. i proclaimed.. "alright.. it's over.." and started tweaking sliders lol..

guess who i was playing with..

THE SPURS!

[boogiehova1]

i hit 2 70ft shot in my game......sad

[DetroitD]

In my opinion the 'swipe ball' feature (against layups and dunks) is the best defensive part of the game and for me at least has helped me keep the CPU in check. It's more forgiving this year making it ten times easier to stop slashers, in my opinion. Get a lot of steals and forced turnovers that way and cut down on opponents fastbreak points a ton. I don't play online so I don't know about that but after I figured out how to swipe the ball away the game became a lot easier. Again, just my opinion.

[FatJumper]

Making the CPU cheap isn't making a game harder. Defended 3s are going in 85% of the time, leaning/fading 3 are also going in 85% with defenders of the time and Open 3s/Open Leaning 3s are going in 100% of the time. Leaning mid ranges go in 90% of the time with defenders.

[gobulls]

Someone said it earlier and it's the truth. I noticed on defense that a cpu defender will defend someone else instead of thier own man and would cover someone is already guarded by someone else. cpu awareness is way down on defense

[emelki1968]

In my opinion the 'swipe ball' feature (against layups and dunks) is the best defensive part of the game and for me at least has helped me keep the CPU in check. It's more forgiving this year making it ten times easier to stop slashers, in my opinion. Get a lot of steals and forced turnovers that way and cut down on opponents fastbreak points a ton. I don't play online so I don't know about that but after I figured out how to swipe the ball away the game became a lot easier. Again, just my opinion.

How do you do the swipe ball? :eek: I don't understand what you mean by keeping the CPU in check with the swipe ball.
Also, can somebody tell me where to put the 3's slider. I am done with the game making threes like cakes.:rolleyes:

[deryn10]

I agree defense is hard this year. I already had my ups and downs with the game in the 1st week, I was a victim of the ob glitch. However I must say that this is the must realistic bball game I have ever played. I have played bball all my life, and played at a high level with some very good players. Believe me, gaurding in the game is like gaurding a real life NBA player. Sometimes there is not anything you can do...good offense beats good defense. And if you give an NBA player a few open looks and they get to feeling good, you might as well forget about stopping them, and just hope you can make it tough for them to get points. In that respect the game is very realistic.
However, here are a couple of tips, first you can't gaurd only one player in a possesion. You have to switch your controlled player numerous times when the computer has the ball. By doing this you can control action all over the court and have a better feel for where you are getting hurt on defense. Second, and most importantly, when the computer is making jumpshots and this shots on the move..I have noticed a lot of people complaining about that, notice what your defender (manully controlled or computer controlled) is doing. Many times you will notice that he actually is not jumping, but instead putting a hand up or lounging at the shooter to defend the shot. This my firends, is not contesting a shot at the NBA level, if you are gaurding anybody at that level and only put a hand up after they have jumped to shoot, you are not contesting the shot.
This factor is the single most realistic part of the game in mu opinion. I have had computer players go off for 17 in a quarter 25 in a half, run off 7 straight points.... this is what NBA players do when the are hot and aren't being contested at the proper level. You have to literally jump, in order to contest shots, and if it is a good shooter/scorer sometimes it won't matter, and if thay have hit a few shots and are hot, well your job is even tougher...but as I said, I think this makes the game more realistic than any other bball game I have played. You actually have to concentrate and work on defense just as hard if not more than on offense, and that is what real bball is like.....and don't get me wrong I have been scorched a few times already but it is mainly because I GET LAZY on D, and anyone who has played bball at a high level knows, if you get lazy on d, you can forget about success.
Sorry for the long post..just wanted to share my thoughts...I don't want 2K to change a thing, it makes the game much more challenging. And about post play, give an NBA player a 6 to 8 foot shot in the post...you can forget about who it is...they will make it a high percentage of the time.

[boogiehova1]

good s.h.i.t biggiepr

i also play defense like that
and i also get lazy at time

but some of the steals and blocks they make are fake

i cpu player bogut
blocked my shot with his head and i was way over the rim

ilove the new competition too
but its a lil much

[boogiehova1]

good s.h.i.t deryn

it dont make no since were d.a.m.n near 2010
and s.h.i.t still freezing like a 80's nintendo game 10

[knova13]

I dig what you are saying and agree for the most part, but when I get a rebound and am able to throw a full court pass that looks like a Nolan Ryan fast ball almost every time, something is amiss...The transition defense is trash and can get beat a little too easily. And the momentum of the players is practically gone...it's like you are on a fast break or change defenders and the dude just stops instead of having his momentum carry him until you take over...that is kinda of whack...I haven't messed with my sliders...can that be adjusted in there?

[LetsJustGetAWin]

Well i just got my first win, 100 - 102 in HOF, still got burned by Kevin Martin... but im getting used to the game now.. it was me, the game is juts harder... and thats a good thing..You say that because you won!

There is a problem with the game sliders, and no matter how tight of defense you play they hit every shot...

It needs tweaking...:cool:

[LetsJustGetAWin]

I agree defense is hard this year. I already had my ups and downs with the game in the 1st week, I was a victim of the ob glitch. However I must say that this is the must realistic bball game I have ever played. I have played bball all my life, and played at a high level with some very good players. Believe me, gaurding in the game is like gaurding a real life NBA player. Sometimes there is not anything you can do...good offense beats good defense. And if you give an NBA player a few open looks and they get to feeling good, you might as well forget about stopping them, and just hope you can make it tough for them to get points. In that respect the game is very realistic.
However, here are a couple of tips, first you can't gaurd only one player in a possesion. You have to switch your controlled player numerous times when the computer has the ball. By doing this you can control action all over the court and have a better feel for where you are getting hurt on defense. Second, and most importantly, when the computer is making jumpshots and this shots on the move..I have noticed a lot of people complaining about that, notice what your defender (manully controlled or computer controlled) is doing. Many times you will notice that he actually is not jumping, but instead putting a hand up or lounging at the shooter to defend the shot. This my firends, is not contesting a shot at the NBA level, if you are gaurding anybody at that level and only put a hand up after they have jumped to shoot, you are not contesting the shot.
This factor is the single most realistic part of the game in mu opinion. I have had computer players go off for 17 in a quarter 25 in a half, run off 7 straight points.... this is what NBA players do when the are hot and aren't being contested at the proper level. You have to literally jump, in order to contest shots, and if it is a good shooter/scorer sometimes it won't matter, and if thay have hit a few shots and are hot, well your job is even tougher...but as I said, I think this makes the game more realistic than any other bball game I have played. You actually have to concentrate and work on defense just as hard if not more than on offense, and that is what real bball is like.....and don't get me wrong I have been scorched a few times already but it is mainly because I GET LAZY on D, and anyone who has played bball at a high level knows, if you get lazy on d, you can forget about success.
Sorry for the long post..just wanted to share my thoughts...I don't want 2K to change a thing, it makes the game much more challenging. And about post play, give an NBA player a 6 to 8 foot shot in the post...you can forget about who it is...they will make it a high percentage of the time.This is delusional!

Even NBA players can't shoot like this game! What the hell are you talking about???

That is not realistic! There are isolated games and teams that hit a lot of shots but but 65%!!!

You make it sound good Deryn but that is hogwash.

[DetroitD]

How do you do the swipe ball? :eek: I don't understand what you mean by keeping the CPU in check with the swipe ball.
Also, can somebody tell me where to put the 3's slider. I am done with the game making threes like cakes.:rolleyes:

when players blow by you or are on a fast break and you can catch up to them you can usually knock the ball out of their hands or just take it. just wait for them to start the layup/dunk (when they pick up their dribble) and tap steal. Works in the post as well when players are turning for their hook shots and drop steps. Any time a player picks up their dribble they're vulnerable to it. I've tried it a few times on pump fakes and it works there too but also a higher chance of getting called for a reach in foul. Just try not to swipe continuously. This feature helps me keep players like Kobe, Dwade and CP3 from getting easy layups and dunks, makes them go cold and then it's easier to make them miss jumpers. It's worked well so far.

[Bumpyface]

I feel the same way, you shouldn't have to adjust the sliders. I liked the 2k8 gameplay, and I don't understand why every year they have to change the way the game feels. Why don't they just add new moves, players, and features. Then the shots and free throws are supposed to be signature, but some player's isn't the same as they were last year. Did Daron Williams or KG change the way the shoot jumpers or free-throws?

[tmac2k8]

I feel the same way, you shouldn't have to adjust the sliders. I liked the 2k8 gameplay I don't understand why every year they have to change the way the game feels. Why don't the just add new moves, players, and features. Then the shots and free throws are supposed to be signature, but there different. Did Daron Williams or KG change the shot?

I feel ya, I dont like adjusting sliders bc i feel like i'm cheating too...why can't they just make AI play better basketball, run better plays, instead of just giving them super human shooting abilities where they drain 3s even with 2 guys on them

[Baroker]

In 2k8 i had no problem defending the computer.. This year all the computer has to do is throw it downlow and it'll go in SOMEHOW. If I try to double team, he throws it out and drains a 3 pointer. I'm still trying to adjust to this... I feel like my D is better when I stay as my PF during defense though.

[nayrr21]

i play on superstar and it always seems like if the cpu gets just a little bit space, it takes advantage of it with a jumpshot or a drive to the basket. i have also seen some ridiculous layups over big centers from the likes of allen iverson and steve nash where i defend them well when they get in the paint and they still finish. i manage to block them probably like 50% of the time. but its also annoying sometimes when you have to re-press the L2 button to defend the cpu at times.

[TechMansoor]

This is honestly unbelieveable!!! I just got blew out by 40 by the celtics. Granted Im trying to get it done with one of the weakest teams on here which is the bulls, I still should't get blown out by that much. I'm still learning the games, going through tutorials and such but God.....my season..I'm 0-2 already..these brothers got no offense no defense...but they have some stuff to work with.. D-Rose plays like a big man on here almost in catching rebounds and such...thats awesome...

but my question is within this post..

What are you guys doing to play better defense? I

I know now..you must grab the defender on the ball holder everytime on every possession otherwise the likes of Mike Conley can just constantly bury three's in your face with you grabbing your pg and actually being close and jumping in his face....

what else you guys got?????????

beaten by 40!!!! should never happen!!!

[Aseldo]

Man I've played a ton of games online and it seems like the baseline drive and reverse layup is unstoppable...especially with kobe and lebron and yao...

[deryn10]

Im back, but this post won't be as long as the other. letsgetawin, I understand everyone can have an opinion, but believe me if you don't defend an NBA player properly you will get scored on....65% of the time. Don't get me wrong, I'm not Ron Artest out there yet, but I recognize the difference between the comp. possesions when they score and when they don't...and majority of the time its me.
I saw one post about the computer making layups with Steve Nash and Allen Iverson, well fella...those are two former MVPS you gotta understand they can score even when you defend well...all you can do is make it as hard as possible. And if you are truly blocking 50% of their shots, you honestly shouldn't be upset.
Another post I saw talked about post D...I do have a tip on this one..learned it from using the Bulls and having Thomas/Gooden/Nocioni all have to gaurd big post players.When the ball is thrown into the post with a good offensive person(a vast majority of them, especially if the catch the ball in the block area) bring your player controlled man hard to double...sometimes you will get that slow double animation..when that happens you have to switch defenders with the back button in order to get to the closet defender that needs to rotate to the man you left..when the ball is kicked out you can have a better rotation.This works, I have done it a lot, now I just need to train myself to not jump when the computer catches(just wait, youll see what I mean). Believe me you have to change your mindset on d and concentrate in order to stop the computer...and that is not a bad thing.

[gramps_rs]

i have the same problem..i can still be competitive on allstar and superstar difficulty but i have to resort to cheap layups and fakes....the CPU is like 95% on post ups..the hook shot is wayyyy to effective in this game...even average big man can shoot like 85% on hook shots...and the computer launches 3's whenever there is an inch of room (and makes it like 75% of the time) when did every guard in the NBA develop ray allen like tendencies....even in WIDE OPEN situations an nba player would only make like 50% of his 3s (in game situations) when hes on fire...defense in this game is non exist and the lock down D was good in theory but bad in practice..they should just go back to the days where L trigger was just a defensive stance...oh..one more thing, your CPU teammates have no sense of defense either...the AI still cuts to the basket for easy layups far to often and my CPU defender just keeps getting burned..and when your CPU teammates decide to double team a big man who is on fire..they often leave the deadliest shooters on the other team open...in real life the players with the weakest outside shooting opponent is the one that sags and cheats towards big men..not the guy guarding michael redd and ray allen...game is almost unplayable

i gotta quote this, what was said is the truth! NO B.S.

Just though i would add in also with lock on, Im not too sure of the whole 'shadowing' defense but i have found if i choose the direction with the RS and the dribbler goes that way and i press steal i will grab it. This has hapened a whole 3 times now out of 7 games! HAHA. Anyone confirm anything like this?

[LetsJustGetAWin]

turning down the sliders for the cpu makes me feel like im cheating...winning only because the cpu cant make the shots the game would normally have them make:rotfl:Make you feel like your cheating!? Ha ha ha...:confused:

No they are!:thumbsdow

[LetsJustGetAWin]

I feel ya, I dont like adjusting sliders bc i feel like i'm cheating too...why can't they just make AI play better basketball, run better plays, instead of just giving them super human shooting abilities where they drain 3s even with 2 guys on them
Alot of these so called 'signature shots' they have changed or altered needlessly from 2k8

2k8 was perfect...in that regard except with Chris Paul's shot. But they changed a lot of players shots in this game. Especially at the free throw line.

Brandon Roy does not shoot like he shot in 2k8, and a few others like Paul Pierce. 2k8 is a better feel and better gameplay if you ask me but no one plays it anymore.

They should have just left it alone. The fadeaway and hook shots are improved in this game but that is about it...

[LetsJustGetAWin]

I hold people to 40-50 sometimes 60 when I'm playing online. I like it. (280 rank this week,23 games, I had a rough start) You just can't play one on one with a good post player or anyone close enough to the basket. I agree it is more arcade like but I like that lead passing is toned down so it makes it easier to bring help. Some people say the double teams are not as effective but in certain situations the double team works nicely. Also it is a lot easier to block shots in this version so keep your men in position! I had 4 blocks in the span of like 12 seconds last night.I agree that double teams in the right situation is perfect but you cannot always lock down long enough or block shots in the lane...

It is also hard to steal the ball as well....

[LetsJustGetAWin]

How do you do the swipe ball? :eek: I don't understand what you mean by keeping the CPU in check with the swipe ball.
Also, can somebody tell me where to put the 3's slider. I am done with the game making threes like cakes.:rolleyes:
The swipe ball has worked for me once or twice online...It does not work that often in the online play. And if you try it and miss you are dead in the water if a player can get to the rim or hit 3's...

Set the 3's slider to 45 for CPU? Many think this is cheating...it is not. That is where it should have been in the first place.

[BiggiePR]

Thye simply messed this game up, im so frustrated with the game that i barely play offline anymore, it is just not worth my time, i get so frustrated that i decided to quit playing the game until someone shares on how to stop the computer... i have won 2 times in HOF, but i had to score 130 points and shoot 70% + from the floor to win by 4 or 6 points... this is not realistic basketball.. BTW im 2 - 8. I beat Sac and philly, i got beat in the final 2 minutes in at least 2 or 3 games.. it is just too hard to keep up with the cpu.. too much damn scoring.... and this is all in 9 mins quarters, the worse that the computer has shot is 60% or something like this...

Also.. the times that the cpu misses somehow always get the offensive rebounds... well not always but at least 65% of the time...

this game is BS, and this is the first time ive said this about a 2k game ever, and ive been a fan of the game since it came out on the dreamcast, great great game overall but impossible to play without editing the sliders... well at least impossible to us that want a simulation game,,, not a scoring fest....

Can this be patched?? i mean being realistic.. can it happen??? im still not convinced to go and change the sliders... i just cant.. i feel like im a cheater....

[jimo2305]

im still not convinced to go and change the sliders... i just cant.. i feel like im a cheater....


SLIDERS!! USE THE SLIDERS!!

trust me.. i know what you mean.. i felt the exact same way.. feelin' like a cheater.. but you're only cheating if you tweak the sliders to weaken the comp to a point you can beat it..

look.. the sliders right now are just unrealistic and they give the computer an edge.. i tweaked the sliders and sometimes the comp wins.. and goes on a hot shooting streak.. and sometimes i stop 'em and win..

[Biggmone]

Yea the defense is silly.

[deryn10]

Why do people keep, complaining about the D.....give it some time and learn how to play. It sounds as though you would rather have a game that doesn't require any skill and beating the computer is no problem. A game comes out that is difficult and people are complaining about how hard an aspect is. Yeah the sliders thing can work, of course it can, anyone can make the computer as easy to beat as possible...and I agree I would feel like im cheating.
Because when I play solid defense, I stop the computer, every once in a while the computer will score a basket that is contested...but like I have said it is the NBA goes make contested shots. Don't change the sliders just yet, I have played a lot of 'real' bball in my life, and this game is as realistic as i've seen. You make a mistake on defense, and you get burned. This is what real bball is, its harder to play good defense than good offense in real life..and its the same in 2k.

[BiggiePR]

We dont want an easy game, we want a REALISTIC game, if we wanted an easy game we could easily play in a lower level... the game is just flawed, and im going to have to change the sliders.... can anyone let me know the slider settings??

[bmackish]

I agree defense is hard this year. I already had my ups and downs with the game in the 1st week, I was a victim of the ob glitch. However I must say that this is the must realistic bball game I have ever played. I have played bball all my life, and played at a high level with some very good players. Believe me, gaurding in the game is like gaurding a real life NBA player. Sometimes there is not anything you can do...good offense beats good defense. And if you give an NBA player a few open looks and they get to feeling good, you might as well forget about stopping them, and just hope you can make it tough for them to get points. In that respect the game is very realistic.
However, here are a couple of tips, first you can't gaurd only one player in a possesion. You have to switch your controlled player numerous times when the computer has the ball. By doing this you can control action all over the court and have a better feel for where you are getting hurt on defense. Second, and most importantly, when the computer is making jumpshots and this shots on the move..I have noticed a lot of people complaining about that, notice what your defender (manully controlled or computer controlled) is doing. Many times you will notice that he actually is not jumping, but instead putting a hand up or lounging at the shooter to defend the shot. This my firends, is not contesting a shot at the NBA level, if you are gaurding anybody at that level and only put a hand up after they have jumped to shoot, you are not contesting the shot.
This factor is the single most realistic part of the game in mu opinion. I have had computer players go off for 17 in a quarter 25 in a half, run off 7 straight points.... this is what NBA players do when the are hot and aren't being contested at the proper level. You have to literally jump, in order to contest shots, and if it is a good shooter/scorer sometimes it won't matter, and if thay have hit a few shots and are hot, well your job is even tougher...but as I said, I think this makes the game more realistic than any other bball game I have played. You actually have to concentrate and work on defense just as hard if not more than on offense, and that is what real bball is like.....and don't get me wrong I have been scorched a few times already but it is mainly because I GET LAZY on D, and anyone who has played bball at a high level knows, if you get lazy on d, you can forget about success.
Sorry for the long post..just wanted to share my thoughts...I don't want 2K to change a thing, it makes the game much more challenging. And about post play, give an NBA player a 6 to 8 foot shot in the post...you can forget about who it is...they will make it a high percentage of the time.

Bruh, this post is exactly how I feel, and a great expression of truth. Defense is never easy, especially at the NBA level. Its so hard that many NBA players can't even play at the level they need to and they may be great offensive scorers themselves. Yet so many people on these forums really dont understand how hard you have to work on defense, its never been an easy skill.

And it may not come as natural to learn the engines mechanics this year, and although its a lot like last year, its has been tweaked, and I'm still trying to master it this year.... I love it... and I find it so funny that so many people say there is no defense, but they expect to use a button and it do all the work. They never put themselves on the game, (literally, you got to act as though for that moment you are that player) they dont do the correct spacing they just hold down the L trigger. (That is just a helping guide not the solution.)

Man this game is closest representation to the real thing as we've seen on a videogame and is great, it ain't easy to stop those high jumpers, believe me.. If these can, they will take off on you

[pooh_wade816]

Man, I cut the the game sliders for the CPU and the games are still close. I'm tryna find the perfect sliders to make this game real. You ain't gotta touch yours you just have to touch the CPU's. The only slider I would touch on human is the Close Shot success...cuz it seems like as long as you got a very good big man, just feed him the ball and its a fo'sho 2pts

[pooh_wade816]

iS IT ME OR ARE THE BAD TEAMS REALLY BAD ON HERE?

I'll tell you what's bad...beatin OKC the first time, then meeting them again and having them shoot 70% for the first half, then shoot 65 to end the game then they win, but I play the Suns and beat the living breaks off of them. What kind of **** is that??? I rather lose to the Suns then lose to a them that has a total of 2 bars each...

[pooh_wade816]

SLIDERS!! USE THE SLIDERS!!

trust me.. i know what you mean.. i felt the exact same way.. feelin' like a cheater.. but you're only cheating if you tweak the sliders to weaken the comp to a point you can beat it..

look.. the sliders right now are just unrealistic and they give the computer an edge.. i tweaked the sliders and sometimes the comp wins.. and goes on a hot shooting streak.. and sometimes i stop 'em and win..

Yeah man, if that young man gonna play on HOF and expect to win...he betta use them damn sliders. Otherwise they gonna continue to whoop his ***. Cuz its just unreal how every shot the CPU puts up is goin in

[ndot]

all i HAVE TO SAY IS HOW CAN U BEAT THE CPU IF THEY SHOOT 60% ON A BAD DAY COME ON 2K. THERE IS NO STOPPING THEM U HOLD THEM TO 1 SEC LEFT ON SHOT CLOCK AND THEY HIT THE SHOT THAT IS BS. I SHOULDNT HAVE TO SHOOT 65% TO HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN, NOTICE I SAID CHANCE I STILL LOSE MOST OF THE TIME. I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING. I HAVE NEVER ADJUSTED SLIDERS I AM GOING TO THIS YEAR. I FEEL WEAK ABOUT IT BUT OH WELL

[pooh_wade816]

all i HAVE TO SAY IS HOW CAN U BEAT THE CPU IF THEY SHOOT 60% ON A BAD DAY COME ON 2K. THERE IS NO STOPPING THEM U HOLD THEM TO 1 SEC LEFT ON SHOT CLOCK AND THEY HIT THE SHOT THAT IS BS. I SHOULDNT HAVE TO SHOOT 65% TO HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN, NOTICE I SAID CHANCE I STILL LOSE MOST OF THE TIME. I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING. I HAVE NEVER ADJUSTED SLIDERS I AM GOING TO THIS YEAR. I FEEL WEAK ABOUT IT BUT OH WELL

Don't feel weak about it...This is my very first time I've touch the sliders in a game. Like I said before, if you're playin in Association Mode and didn't touch them while on HOF level, you would probably go 0-82...18 games top. You have to tweak the sliders

[TechMansoor]

Don't feel weak about it...This is my very first time I've touch the sliders in a game. Like I said before, if you're playin in Association Mode and didn't touch them while on HOF level, you would probably go 0-82...18 games top. You have to tweak the sliders

Why should you guys have to tweak sliders. Man thats not being geniune..I personally believe sliders shouldn't exist. I like the fact that you can do a my nba type deal and tell your players how you want them to play, but you shouldn't have to tweak sliders to the point where the cpu is missing or hitting based off those adjusted sliders. This is where the programmers of 2k should step in. They've done a fine point up until now. I can completely concur with the original poster in saying, you pretty much have to shoot 65% or above to win!!!

What does the patch address???????

[TechMansoor]

Bruh, this post is exactly how I feel, and a great expression of truth. Defense is never easy, especially at the NBA level. Its so hard that many NBA players can't even play at the level they need to and they may be great offensive scorers themselves. Yet so many people on these forums really dont understand how hard you have to work on defense, its never been an easy skill.

And it may not come as natural to learn the engines mechanics this year, and although its a lot like last year, its has been tweaked, and I'm still trying to master it this year.... I love it... and I find it so funny that so many people say there is no defense, but they expect to use a button and it do all the work. They never put themselves on the game, (literally, you got to act as though for that moment you are that player) they dont do the correct spacing they just hold down the L trigger. (That is just a helping guide not the solution.)

Man this game is closest representation to the real thing as we've seen on a videogame and is great, it ain't easy to stop those high jumpers, believe me.. If these can, they will take off on you

I do agree with these statements for the most part. But, some of the things are just ridiculously different. 2k8 in my opinion had the best defense yet. 2k9 needs to be tweaked by the 2kstaff(I refuse to use sliders).

Example:

How can courtney lee of orlando magic shoot a three in the face of drew gooden of the chicago bulls when I actually grab drew himself to contest the shot??? I'll tell you, 2k9 has made it where, they do some sort off the wall attempt at a block usually making the player not jump fully to contest or make the defender's hand go parallel to the shooter. In other words, make just jump and swipe at the ball when it should be a clear block. Then all of a sudden swish!!!!! With courtney lee and unproven player!! I can see if this was Ray Allen, and then him doing this consistently. But every, and I do mean, EVERY person having that ability is just unrealistic!!! I think thats some of the complaints thats going on and its completely justified in most cases.

The biggest thing about 2k is that it has always been realistic. I infact loved on 2k8 that if you grabbed a big man, and put him up against a semi-wide open shooter, the shooters probability of hitting would go down. But if you could find the wide open man and even if he was a medicore shooter, the probability of him hitting would greatly increase which is accurate because these guys are pros.

But now..

Cpu hits all the time, despire all efforts, and I pride myself on my defense..

Still..

2k...produces the best bball game..live is just not it....

but the d and the cpu accuracy in hitting needs to be tweaked by 2k...i refuse to use sliders because they are subjective to ones views of how the game should be won or loss...we pay 65 to let 2k staff do that...

[BiggiePR]

All i have to say is that theres a reason why this is the biggest thread in the in game forum..... this is not just some of us, this is the majority and i can bet that most of us have been playing this game for a while, so... this is a general fault..

BTW.. i have to laugh at some comparing this game to the real thing... i played div 1 basketball in my days and i dont see the similaritias or the point in making a comparison.. in real life the best players in the NBA the very best in the world shoot 50% at best, and youre telling me that the cpu shooting 70% or more is realistic?? Scrubs hitting fadeaways guarded, post players having 40 point nights on 90% shooting?? common bruh.. i dont know what youre talking about here..... not to mention the fatigue factor, players normally get tired and tend to miss late in games if they play a lot of mins right?? not in this game, the cpu rarely misses period. Guarded,, unguarded... same result.. 2 or 3 points.. 2k patch this freaking game!!!

[deryn10]

Biggie I see what u r saying, but your only looking at percentages. Yeah the great perimeter players shoot in the 47-51% range. Thats with great defense, all i'm saying is as a whole people aren't playing great defense in this game. Bringing up a selected time when the computer hits a contested shot isn't a reason for a patch. Like i've said, im not perfect on the defensive end, when I first started, everyone was shooting in or around the 60% range. but now I have them in the 40's and sometimes the low 50's. Actually have had a couple of game with them in the high 30's.
But still on occasion I will get lit up in a quarter or a half, and the reason isn't any sliders...its ME. You can't play D in this game like other 2k games, you have to constantly adjust. and learn ways that will work for you, this is how I began to understand how to slow down post players. Notice I said slow down, and stop, cause a NBA player can't be stopped.
It's just a little irratating to hear people want to adjust sliders to make the computer shoot a lower percentage when the game is only out 1 week...damn keep playing, get better than what are you gonna do adjust the sliders back when you start blowing out the computer...I even read one person write adjust only the computers sliders not the human but we aren't talking about being cheap here.YEAH RIGHT!

[TechMansoor]

Biggie I see what u r saying, but your only looking at percentages. Yeah the great perimeter players shoot in the 47-51% range. Thats with great defense, all i'm saying is as a whole people aren't playing great defense in this game. Bringing up a selected time when the computer hits a contested shot isn't a reason for a patch. Like i've said, im not perfect on the defensive end, when I first started, everyone was shooting in or around the 60% range. but now I have them in the 40's and sometimes the low 50's. Actually have had a couple of game with them in the high 30's.
But still on occasion I will get lit up in a quarter or a half, and the reason isn't any sliders...its ME. You can't play D in this game like other 2k games, you have to constantly adjust. and learn ways that will work for you, this is how I began to understand how to slow down post players. Notice I said slow down, and stop, cause a NBA player can't be stopped.
It's just a little irratating to hear people want to adjust sliders to make the computer shoot a lower percentage when the game is only out 1 week...damn keep playing, get better than what are you gonna do adjust the sliders back when you start blowing out the computer...I even read one person write adjust only the computers sliders not the human but we aren't talking about being cheap here.YEAH RIGHT!

Brother you make a good point that you do and ultimately you are correct. But again like biggie posted, its honestly getting amazing when most of us are so competitive and actually playing proper defense! Indeed, the example I gave, was not an uncommon thing, but very much so a common thing. You see even if you play good defense, the probability oif the cpu hitting is just waaaaay toooooooooooooooo great. I could never adjust sliders, play only with one man on defense, cheese with only one man or any of that stuff because I play with a pg's mentality(d-rose).

But undoubtedly and ultimately you are absolutely correct. If 2k doesn't do anything to adjust this, we'll essentially just have to adjust and see what works. Because a block can be made, a stop can be made, and you can essentially lower the cpu's shooting percentage even if you have to do just ridiculous forms of defense including being one inch away from the shooter everytime the cpu shoots. We have to keep finding what works. But this doesn't spell well for 2ksports. It's always been the more realistic simulation. Eddie house should not be going up on andrew bynum and paul gasol BOTH JUMPING AT THE SAME TIME!

I think its at a point now where that initial frustration is settling in and we're all looking for empathy. I can't remeber a time where 2k hasn't be the most challenging basketball game to date. Thats one of its unique qualities indeed.

[deryn10]

I understand what your guys are saying, all I am saying is that NBA players make tough shots. Yes some of the shots the computer has hit on me have made me laugh/yell/throw/swear all the above. But ultimately im ok with that happening every once in a while. 60% is the number everyone is throwing out right now so I'll use that. In 10 possesions when I first began to play the game I was probably playing 2 or 3 possesions of good D (2k9 good D, not normal 2k good D) and 7 or 8 possesions of bad D (leaaving shooters, not defending pick n roll, not helping in the post etc) so out of the bad Defensive possesions they would porbably score 4 or 5 out 7/8 and of the good possesions 1 or 2 out of 2/3. Which adding up gives you 6 out of 10..60%.
What im saying though, is now that I've gotten a LITTLE better at D overall (at times i'm real good and time not so good) the good defensive possesions have basically evened out against the bad ones and its more like 5 good and 5 bad. Therefore the computers percentages have gone down against me, and believe me I look at them after every quarter,half, game I play because of this thread.
With that fact I ask is the game in need of being fixed or is it they way people are playing defense? Keep in mind that goes go on hot streaks, and if you think JR Smith can't run of a bunch of points in succession against anybody in the NBA you are crazy, and that goes for just about anyone who plays in the league. Basically I question the validity of guys saying that they are JUMPING and CONTESTING every shot the computer takes and still the computer is shooting 60 percent.

[gizbug]

Don't feel weak about it...This is my very first time I've touch the sliders in a game. Like I said before, if you're playin in Association Mode and didn't touch them while on HOF level, you would probably go 0-82...18 games top. You have to tweak the sliders
Agree'd. HOF level association is a mess.

[Free bonds]

Well Deryn I understand your point, but statistics are not on your side. Many players see open looks in the NBA game, not that many players can make shots consistenty. Look at the rookies form last year and there field goal percentages in college. These same players probably see twice sa much open looks in college then they see now. I have yet to seen the best of shooter's make 65% of their shots. I also notice that it is usually the PG or primary ball handler that receives these great "talents" to make these "NBA level shots". amy biggest problem is a when a pg brings the ball up court and immediately shoots a all-net 3, In most NBA circles thats considered a bad "low percentage shot", but not in NBA 2K9.

[pooh_wade816]

Agree'd. HOF level association is a mess.

@ least you agree w/ me...U shouldn't have to shoot 90% just to win a damn game on here...lol. Man, despite me tweaking the sliders, the sames are still close as hell, so I feel the game is even now as for CPU vs. Human on HOF. I didn't touch everything, but just the main things. I turned their blocks down to 30 and they still get their blocks...lol

[TechMansoor]

Man I love basketball..and ive stood behind 2k ever since the first one..but ive never seen the cpu cheat and win this hard..there is no freaking way pf's and centers should be hitting all these mid range shots at near 80% with someone closely guarding them...event though deryn10 makes a good point.. hes defending something that can't be defended!!! Y??


BEcause I play good defense!!!!

Dude even when I grab a man, jump and swipe at the ball...barbosa..grant hill, anyone with decent shooting hits...bottom line!!!! I even gave an example of courtney lee scoring like 30 on me with a man in his face almost everytime...its not even possible to get a man one inch from the shooter EVERY possession...but 2k expects you to do so...and what i find out that happens every game in which they'll probably patch this, is the idea that when I'm close and actually block the ball.. my hand typically goes right through the ball.....huh???????????????...its honestly amazing...

I swear guys...I'm contemplating just stop playing it until they patch this crap if they do..and if they don't..hell ill stop playing bball games period...because live has never been of the quality of 2k..and when 2k starts failing..there is nothing else.....

gta series has never let me down since it produces the greatest games of all time... time produce the second ending towards gta4..

in fact it has its own genre of games.. gta....

anyway..if you guys have had a long work day like i have...don't play 2k immediately after that work day is over...go do something great to your wife or something...but DO NOT..AND I REPEAT..DO NOT PLAY NBA2K9 after a long day at work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace

[antbull]

I dunno. I just beat the Suns by 30 with the NETS on HOF holding them to 38% shooting. This just after beating the Celts with the Lakers by 18pts holding them to 48% shooting. Averaged about 20 steals a game. I try to manually challenge EVERY SINGLE pass, shot, inbounds play, double in the post and rotate to contest the 3 after the double (you know they always pass it out for the 3 so get there first and steal that ball!!), stay in front of every driver and bring a BIG over to double, go for the block on every dunk attempt, take an offball defender and fake the double while watching the guy you are supposed to be guarding..when the CPU passes to him STEAL the ball, how about manually guarding their best players (especially when they dont have the ball and deny/steal the ball)...i dunno help me undeerstand the difficulty. How about changing your D once in a while as well but NEVER go to a ZONE..help me understand please.....................!

[DetroitD]

Was able to keep in my crap Detroit bench the entire fourth against the Celts and still held them off for a 15 point win. Not always guarding the ballhandler seems to help (especially if he's the worst guy on the team) drawing charges when someone drives is a good way to get good players in early foul trouble. Swiping the ball away when CPU goes for layups/dunks is more effective than trying to block them (in my opinion) Double teaming off of the crap shooters and, like someone else said, sticking with man to man defense (why zone is even allowed in the NBA is beyond me) helps big time. And if they have a good point guard use a full court press to eat the clock up and make them pass before they cross half court...then deny him the ball. I know some people don't like it but off ball defense (especially against the CPU) really helps. again, just my opinions. Holding CPU to around 40% (except suns...Steve Nash is like kryptonite)

[antbull]

Was able to keep in my crap Detroit bench the entire fourth against the Celts and still held them off for a 15 point win. Not always guarding the ballhandler seems to help (especially if he's the worst guy on the team) drawing charges when someone drives is a good way to get good players in early foul trouble. Swiping the ball away when CPU goes for layups/dunks is more effective than trying to block them (in my opinion) Double teaming off of the crap shooters and, like someone else said, sticking with man to man defense (why zone is even allowed in the NBA is beyond me) helps big time. And if they have a good point guard use a full court press to eat the clock up and make them pass before they cross half court...then deny him the ball. I know some people don't like it but off ball defense (especially against the CPU) really helps. again, just my opinions. Holding CPU to around 40% (except suns...Steve Nash is like kryptonite)

Nash is great on the offensive end but on the defensive end if you have an athletic PG he gets destroyed. I think the problem is people want the CPU to defend for them completely. I jump to challenge EVERY shot..not just put the hand up. On dunks maybe the swipe works best against BIGS because they have low ball handling ratings but against the jump shot, good ball handlers and the 3 you have to JUMP even if you don't block it their shot % seems to go down. Like I said I just held the SUNS to 53pts.

[BigWillie-54]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeqQJRW0Bqc

this game has more D than 2k9

[DetroitD]

Nash is great on the offensive end but on the defensive end if you have an athletic PG he gets destroyed. I think the problem is people want the CPU to defend for them completely. I jump to challenge EVERY shot..not just put the hand up. On dunks maybe the swipe works best against BIGS because they have low ball handling ratings but against the jump shot, good ball handlers and the 3 you have to JUMP even if you don't block it their shot % seems to go down. Like I said I just held the SUNS to 53pts.

Yeah, admittedly I was getting a little lazy on D. Had a double digit lead and had until mid way through the fourth kept him cold as ice. Then I started sagging off, going for a few stupid steals and just plain playing bad D. Calmed down in the final minutes and won by 7 or so. I agree about jumping out at shooters. Had to tell my roomate the same thing. Just getting a hand up won't do the trick. Even in the association drills it tells you "Average Defense" for just putting a hand up or jumping WILDLY. You actually have to be inside your opponents jersey to force a bad shot/miss/block. Love the defense in this game.

[DetroitD]

antbull wait a minute, just reread a post...you play with the Nets? Wow, I thought I was pretty good at this game but I'm not THAT good lol. Mad props.

[deryn10]

Tech that was a funny disclaimer....don't play 2k after a long days work that was good! Finally I have some people in this thread that agree with me, adjust the way you are playing and things will change believe the people that are actually doing it.
I use the bulls in one of my associations, so don't think I have a highly rated team and im relying on that to get things done.
Those two posts really help explain how hard it can be to play successfull defense against the computer, however it also shows it can be done...it takes a lot of effort. And sometimes the computer will score on good defense. I don't want a game where all i have to do is play good d and the computer is sure to miss, that is not realistic. People in the NBA score on not only good defense but great defense. I keep saying that so people understand that point, and if you let the computer get hot, then they are going to be real hard to stop.
Following one defensive standI stopped the game replayed the poss. so I could talk about the play...playing orlando with the bulls i began by guarding lee with hinrich my sg (someone else mentioned how rediculously good he is in this game) as nelson brought the ball up I switched to rose my pg when I realized the comp was running a pick to post play for howard, after I fought over the screen I switched to nocioni (who was my pf) on the weakside to slide over and make sure howard didn't get a roll dunk. after that I switched back to rose to try and pressure the post pass(unsuccessfully i might add) when the ball was passed into the post I doubled from the weakside with hinrich (2g) {I double from the weakside cause that was where 2 per. players were therefore I would have a shorter rotation after howard passed it out of the post} after I got howard doubled I switch to deng (sf) to rotate to the pass out which was thrown to lee. Once lee caught it [I use to jump right away on this first pass, it took me a while to adjust to being at the shooter on time] I lock d on him and he passed it to turkoglu (thier sf) meanwhile I was switching back to nocioni(my pf) to make the final rotation out to hedo to contest his shot.
Now when all of that was done I swithed on more time to hinrich(sg) becasue he was rotated to pj brown (orl pf) to box him out-now that last part took me a while to realize how important it was, but believe nothing is more upsetting then doing all that rotating just to give up an offensive reb putback, and believe me i have to do that a lot with the bulls when my final rotation (to end close games) is rose-pg gordon-sg hinrich-sf deng-pf thomas/gooden/noah(whoever is playing better)-c.
On that one play that was 8 different times of using certain players now I have never had to give that much effort in a 2K bball game on d..like I said u gotta change the way you play it in this game.

[DetroitD]

deryn, great post. Proves a point. Until you get the hang of it defense should (and in this game does) feel like hard work. If defense were easy in real life teams like Detroit and San Antonio wouldn't get the credit they do. It also proves that we (more than likely) play defense differently so there's not just one way to do it. I don't want a game that's just block/steal/block/steal. If I play shoddy D I fully expect to be scored upon, even if it is some no name scrub. he's still in the NBA after all. I'd play and enjoy this game LESS if 2k patched or dumbed down the CPUs offensive efficiency. Sure this is coming from someone who enjoys defense more than offense (in real life and therefore in games) but if you don't feel the same way that's why they made sliders. Not knocking anyones skills by any means. Some people just don't want to take the time with it, and I get that. But to patch or in anyway dumb down the CPUs offensive efficiecy would be to rob ME of the gaming experience I enjoy. There are so many ways in this game to stop great players and great teams. just takes a little work and effort. Before you know it it's getting easier and easier until your blowing out the Kings by 50 or so points because everything on D is just clicking. (had to hit a game winning buzzer beater the very next game because I obviously got cocky on D after that) Again, these are my just my opinions but yeah, it is hard at first, but it gets easier with practice. Don't cheapen my experience when there are perfectly good sliders there for just this exact reason. And by the way, Amen on the rebounding thing, couldn't agree more.

[RetroKid]

i think we need to clear up this whole thing about who's playing good d, who's lazy, who's getting cheesed and who feels like they have to cheese in order to stand a chance against the cpu.

like a lot of you guys, i have been an avid fan and loyal customer of the 2K basketball franchise since the dreamcast days. i choose it over ea's live because i want a realistic game with realistic plays, player attributes and statistics. i have also seen my fair share of basketball games, being a bulls fan since the early 90's (i'm 27), so i know the flow of the game, how different teams run their offenses, and more importantly, what good defense looks like. on top of that, i still play basketball every weekend...in short, i love the game, and play 2k because i believe it's the closest thing to watching/playing the real thing.

with that being said, i believe that people aren't having problems with the D itself...it's the consistency of the cpu on both offense and defense. i mean, i know that back-cuts, fade-away threes, erick dampier field goals and yao ming getting blocked are things that have happened throughout the nba's existence...but for the computer to run a back-cut every other play? and for the other play to be an alley-oop? c'mon now. for dampier (actually, insert any scrub bigman here and it's probably valid) to drop 20 on me in the post while being guarded by yao ming? for him to jab-step one way, go the other, then dunk on my ENTIRE frontline? shenanigans!

i had to restart my association season because in my first three games, rudy *** dropped 39 (30 in the fourth, outscoring my team by 20!), jason terry dished out an amazing 30 dimes and had countless breakaway dunks even when i set my 'crash the boards' setting to 0, and kevin durant dropping 54 on my (10-14 from beyond the arc). the funny thing is, i rationalized it and kept on playing because i figured that if isiah thomas and george gervin can drop points like that, maybe rudy *** can too. i figured, jason terry is way better than scott skiles, so maybe he IS capable of dishing 30. maybe KD isn't a chucker after all and is actually more than a volume shooter. maybe...

but then the celtic game happened.

it always starts the same way...i hold the team to under 40% fg in the first half and my team looks decent. no cheese, just a clean inside outside game with the occasional isolations and post-ups. i take what the d gives and i don't force anything. then, the second half, and the d decides to give NOTHING. lay-ups under the basket are missed. break-away slams are missed. yao ming gets blocked. tracy can't buy a free throw. no one can hit open shots. NOTHING. i mean, i can understand a team falling apart (hell, i saw a mid-90's bulls-hornets game where the bulls jumped out to a 25-0 lead to start the game...anything's possible), but what made me slam my $60 controller on the floor and shatter it was ray m.u.t.h.e.r.**********.i.n.g. allen. he finished the game with 86 points. EIGHTY SIX! 20 3-pointers...a good majority contested.

what's funnier is i keep playing...go fig.

[DetroitD]

yeah, I'll definitely give you those back cuts. And sorry if I came across as saying people are lazy. Not at all what i meant. Just that the D in this game is hard to get used to. But yeah those back cuts do make me look for the 'throw vicious elbow' button. Sadly, this feature, along with the 'hit steve nash with a crowbar' buttons haven't been added yet. I don't find in my games any one guy goes off with points so much as just about every game, although i may win, has someone setting their franchise's assist record.

[RetroKid]

BTW, i play on HOF and pride myself on being a great sim player...but there's only so much you can do before the cpu decidedes it wants to make it "competitive".

[RetroKid]

yeah, I'll definitely give you those back cuts. And sorry if I came across as saying people are lazy. Not at all what i meant. Just that the D in this game is hard to get used to. But yeah those back cuts do make me look for the 'throw vicious elbow' button. Sadly, this feature, along with the 'hit steve nash with a crowbar' buttons haven't been added yet. I don't find in my games any one guy goes off with points so much as just about every game, although i may win, has someone setting their franchise's assist record.

no worries...i mean, i bet everyone gets a little lax on D...it gets tiring being on point for 40 minutes...esp when there are occassions where it feels like it's all for naught. i've been searching this board for sliders and tendency adjustments to give the game more of a realistic feel and i'm glad i've finally found them. there are still bouts of taurettes eminating from my room, but for the most part, the game got a lot better.

and for all you 'purists' out there who think adjusting the sliders/settings and overall stats is 'cheating'...check out peja and jrich's 3point rating and tell me you don't have a problem with that. the sliders don't make the game easier because someone sucks. it makes it more realistic in terms of scores, fg %, player tendencies and ability. it makes it harder for both teams to score, thus eliminating the 'cheese' factor. i mean, when i adjust them, i make it harder for both parties to score 100 points in the paint. by adjusting sliders, you also get rid of the things the computer does that make me want to scream...like 50 alley-oops a game and a bazillion back-cuts.

i just want 2K to say 'sorry' for half-assing the game and putting it out so early just so it could compete with live 09. i would have waited a few more weeks if the product felt more complete. damn you 2k. damn you.

[DetroitD]

BTW, i play on HOF and pride myself on being a great sim player...but there's only so much you can do before the cpu decidedes it wants to make it "competitive".

Not saying you aren't a sim player, and honestly it's the sim players that are probably the ones having the most difficulty because we won't resort to cheese tactics just to score a W. and yeah, you can definitely tell when the CPUs had enough; gimme layups don't go, certain calls aren't made when obviously they were earlier in the game and more bs shots start falling. Personally I just don't want the game patched or tweaked when there are perfectly good sliders available. the one thing I REALLY would like to see added in, but will probably have to wait for another year, maybe more, is being able to initiate contact in the post while on defense instead of having to wait for the offensive player decide he wants to post. Overall, however, I just feel that aside from the insane amount of assists there are enough measures in place defensively to make the game enjoyable and more true to life (back door cuts and crap centers schooling Dwight Howard notwithstanding). And again, that's just my opinion and in no way am I trying to say who is or who isn't sim/lazy good or bad. I just feel like this is a solid game (offline) that takes more getting used to than the previous installments

[DetroitD]

Retro, how did you cut down on the back cuts. Which sliders help with that? That would make things ten times less agrivating.

[RetroKid]

oh i agree absolutely...but it feels rushed in some aspects, and i think that those minor flaws are amplified when people start pulling hair out and looking at things to bash about the game. i mean, i wouldn't have been sleeping only 2 hours a night if i thought this game was total crap...but i am losing ridiculous amounts of sleep (even though i have work the next day) because i feel like i can keep tweaking the game play until gets to where 2K8 was...an absolute joy to play. for the most part, the minor flaws are what keep me from scoring and are what keep the game from truly becoming a gem. i mean, it's a beautiful game but let's be real, the controls aren't as responsive as last year's offering.

one of my main gripes is that i can't jab-step to create space then raise up for a jumper because the recovery time from the jabstep allows the defender to get back in my face. i have to resort to spin moves and step-backs to create a perimeter shot, which is all fine and good, but sometimes, i just want to shoot a jumpshot without dribbling halfway around the court.

[DetroitD]

I've never been able to jab step. just can't figure it out for some reason. I DID figure out one way to clear some space though but you have to be dribbling. if you double tap the Right Trigger (while standing still and not going in a direction) the ballhandler will do a series of moves, dribbling under the knees, a couple of quick crossovers and whatnot and the defender will react by backing off for just a second and usually to one side or another. You can interrupt the dribble quickly by either turboing to the exposed side or pulling up for a quick jumper with the space he gave you. If the player can't drive though the CPU won't back off

[RetroKid]

Retro, how did you cut down on the back cuts. Which sliders help with that? That would make things ten times less agrivating.

i used this 12min HOF slider set i found on operationsports.com.

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/nba-2k-sliders/274732-realistic-12mins-hof-tjnigs-sliders-try.html

don't worry, even though some things are set at 0, you'll still see the comp net around 50 points in the paint, but now it will be done withpost-ups, put-backs and the OCCASSIONAL back-cut and 2-3 alley oops...and even then, they will be done by players with a high enough rating to actually make it believable, like rondo to KG...never powe to perkins.

i would suggest lowering the 'attempts on the ball steals' because the computer gets into foul trouble early because they swipe and get called for it. other than that...these sliders are an ABSOLUTE JOY to play on. my games are all HOF and i'm averaging arounf 85-105 ppg and in between 39-51 fg% for both myself and the computer. i still lose, but my losses are all because i got lazy and someone lit me up, not because they suddenly became MJ's and so i can live with them.

when you get the chance, look up rishidi's player tendency edits too. they help make the players act more like their real on-court personas. i don't know if you've played the mavs yet but with unedited tendencies, jkidd is a 3point assassin who will shoot given the slightest opening...and that dirk won't ever assert himself in the post...but with his minor tweaks, everyone plays like they should.

[DetroitD]

awesome. Thanks. Hopefully I can go back to the way I played the game on the easier difficulties. i like to player lock the point guard spot. Not to cheese but to just run the offense and control game tempo. Couldn't do it on HoF for obvious hair pulling reasons. I really wish 2k would put in a career mode. I don't know why they haven't, they have all the tools in place, player lock, off ball controls, player development, morale and CPU trades. I even have easy ideas as to how figure out created player stats to avoid people creating monsters off the bat...and it's all stuff they already have in game. Then again, I think too much lol. Anyways, thanks for the sliders. Should make the game more enjoyabe this way.

[DetroitD]

that was probably the most civilized 'conversation' a pistons fan and a bulls fan have had since....well.......

[RetroKid]

haha! yeah, huh? one of tamer ones too, considering the fact that people are mostly on this forum to vent.

[DetroitD]

lol, sooo true. I only log on to get tips or to help out if I can answer any questions. Even if I share some of the common complaints I try not to post them figuring someone else has got that covered. Anyways, thanks for the sliders, think I'm going to go and try them out. Appreciated all around.

[geo1378]

I am getting really sick of this game, it froze up my ps3 so many times when going online. Then i am missing about 5-10 layups per game with every team i select. These are nba players most of them will dunk it and even if they lay it when under the basket it is almost impossible to miss 10 in a friggin game! My last game my opponent shot 1-10 three pointers with players like kyle korver the best 3 point shooter almost in the entire game. My shot percentage with the hornets was 37% and 26% three point. his free throw percentage was 10%... And dont say i suck because I have been playing the 2k basketball since the first dreamcast one came out. I will stick it out a little longer and see if things improve but the difficult free throw shooting and all the other stuff is taking away from the enjoyment of the game.

[tgup24]

i think u prolly suck, learn to take open shots and freethrows are pretty easy actually

[bmackish]

BTW, i play on HOF and pride myself on being a great sim player...but there's only so much you can do before the cpu decidedes it wants to make it "competitive".

Retro, I read your other post, and it is frustrating sometimes... those things have never happened to me (well the back door alleyoops have, but not the 86 points... lol, thats insane)... the one thing I can tell you is dont do a lot of help defense.... that lets them really get after it... make sure you have your settings to sag off on some players who cant shoot. Every now and then you just have to be really aware of the cuts and switch on and off the on-ball D on occasion if you see it setting up.... And you have to contest every shot.. otherwise the computer and human controlled players will score almost everytime on open shots.... but hey its the NBA

Also, when you stop the cpu in the first half, they will switch up on you in the second half.... Also, defensively they will do this too. So if you been running a a pick and roll successfully, it probably wont work in the second half, this is something I actually commend 2k at doing (half time adjustments)

[bmackish]

I am getting really sick of this game, it froze up my ps3 so many times when going online. Then i am missing about 5-10 layups per game with every team i select. These are nba players most of them will dunk it and even if they lay it when under the basket it is almost impossible to miss 10 in a friggin game! My last game my opponent shot 1-10 three pointers with players like kyle korver the best 3 point shooter almost in the entire game. My shot percentage with the hornets was 37% and 26% three point. his free throw percentage was 10%... And dont say i suck because I have been playing the 2k basketball since the first dreamcast one came out. I will stick it out a little longer and see if things improve but the difficult free throw shooting and all the other stuff is taking away from the enjoyment of the game.

The 37% shooting fg% is actually pretty realisitc for some games, its a bad shooting game but can be realistic. As a matter fact, most games are shot between 40% and 45%. Anything more or less is considered good or bad... unfortunately most games on here are between 50% and 60%.

Free throws takes you to get a favorite team and practice with them.... Everybody's shot is really different this year... they did a great job... Online, the freethrow system drops frame on the first freethrow and so its messed up a little, as a result the first free throw has to be released a lot earlier than normal.

Which difficulty are you playin on? You might want to take it down a notch until you get better.

[bmackish]

Most people on this forum arent honest with temselves .... and the truth is "you may need to turn the difficulty down". HOF is supposed to be harder... alot harder.. so if you can beat superstar, but cant beat HOF its because its asking you to be better... the computer is not Cheating... its you not being able to adjust... the computer makes halftime adjustments, why shouldnt you? And I'm not saying this to be a smart mouth.. I'm saying this to be real with people... some people aren't willing to become that good where they can master this game, and that isn't any slight on you... It just means that the game is harder than expected.. some people are able to beat the game on HOF... just not everyone. It takes a lot of work on D to beat them at that level, you really cant take off any plays

[DetroitD]

Most people on this forum arent honest with temselves .... and the truth is "you may need to turn the difficulty down". HOF is supposed to be harder... alot harder.. so if you can beat superstar, but cant beat HOF its because its asking you to be better... the computer is not Cheating... its you not being able to adjust... the computer makes halftime adjustments, why shouldnt you? And I'm not saying this to be a smart mouth.. I'm saying this to be real with people... some people aren't willing to become that good where they can master this game, and that isn't any slight on you... It just means that the game is harder than expected.. some people are able to beat the game on HOF... just not everyone. It takes a lot of work on D to beat them at that level, you really cant take off any plays

I agree. Reason being I can win on superstar with only player locking the point guard spot and still manage to keep the scores and stats (with the exception of the opposing point guard's assists which doesn't mess with averages all that much over an 82 game span) legit. I can't do this yet on HoF but the gap is narrowing quickly. The games are tight, tense and flow like an NBA game. I WAS going to look into sliders but you made a good point about getting better. The cutter issue is the only thing I can see that might make me tweak a slider solely for the fact I'm not completely sure if the CPU AI (on my team) can pick them up and respond quickly enough. Any thoughts?

[bmackish]

I agree. Reason being I can win on superstar with only player locking the point guard spot and still manage to keep the scores and stats (with the exception of the opposing point guard's assists which doesn't mess with averages all that much over an 82 game span) legit. I can't do this yet on HoF but the gap is narrowing quickly. The games are tight, tense and flow like an NBA game. I WAS going to look into sliders but you made a good point about getting better. The cutter issue is the only thing I can see that might make me tweak a slider solely for the fact I'm not completely sure if the CPU AI (on my team) can pick them up and respond quickly enough. Any thoughts?


Bruh, you are probably just going to have to switch off when you see it about to happen... Also, its something you can help slow down, by taking help defense all the way down, or only allowing it to happen very minimally. That really helps negate the cutter success, also make sure you set pressure to sag off on poor shooters.

But I'm glad you are getting better. (I haven't perfected it either, but I know its just because, Im not as active on every shot and play like I should be). When playing the computer, you have to play different than you would a human controlled player, so its ok to switch off on-ball D from time to time to stop stuff like that (cutting).. You have to anticipate passes though and know when the only option for the computer is to pass, and thats when you switch to be in position... It takes some getting used to but you should get it.... Also, stay active on defense, especially on shots... jump at everything.. ESPECIALLY in the post, thats the only way they miss... the trick is to jump, after they jump though, this way you dont get the pump fake... make sure you are aggresssive when jumping, especially in the post.

Next thing you want to do is get online and play as many "CHEESERS" as possible, to learn all the weaknesses that the game has to exploit and that way you can stop those in the future and know what to possibly look for.

[deryn10]

Man Detrtoit that was well said...and I agree with you 100%. I've played 2k since it came out on dreamcast, and I have always considered myself a good player. I'm one of those players that likes to shoot a lot of three, and my friends hate playing me cause they know a few things.1-U cant shoot the hell out of the 3 and therefore even a semi-big lead like nine points is nothing.2-my offensive game is well rounded so if need be I can get points in anyway on the floor.3-My Defense is sick, at all times. You have to earn everything against me, and I love the fact that this game has challenged me on defense to think outside my normal comfort of how I've always played d.
I have never been one of those people who get lebron or kobe(or any awesome wing player) and try and dunk everytime. But I have always loved playing against those types of players cause its a challenge. Thats what is so great to me about 2k, in my bulls association I always have a new challenge in how i'm going to attack their offense that is new. Every team requires different attacks. How can u complain? that is a fun challenge in my eyes, and I love to see that other people agree.
By the way the 3 things I bring to the table are evidence in who I like to use.
Bulls-Good shooters-hinrich,nocioni,gordon Mid Range-deng Attack Basket-Rose,thomas
Pistons-Good Shooters-billups, hamilton, shed(pck n pop) prince Mid Range-whole team Attack Basket-Billups, Maxiell
Jazz-Good Shooters-Williams, Korver, Okur(pck n pop) Mid Range-Kirilenko, Brewer Attack Basket-Boozer,Brewer, Williams
Hornets-Good Shooters-Peja(sick) Posey, Peterson Mid Range-Peja,Paul, West(pck n pop)Attack Basket-Paul
All four of these teams are also very good defensive teams if used correctly as well. I like the Celtics also, but only use them against the Suns or the Lakers if my opponent is VERY GOOD-By the way no one has made me move from the Bulls yet....

[bmackish]

Man Detrtoit that was well said...and I agree with you 100%. I've played 2k since it came out on dreamcast, and I have always considered myself a good player. I'm one of those players that likes to shoot a lot of three, and my friends hate playing me cause they know a few things.1-U cant shoot the hell out of the 3 and therefore even a semi-big lead like nine points is nothing.2-my offensive game is well rounded so if need be I can get points in anyway on the floor.3-My Defense is sick, at all times. You have to earn everything against me, and I love the fact that this game has challenged me on defense to think outside my normal comfort of how I've always played d.
I have never been one of those people who get lebron or kobe(or any awesome wing player) and try and dunk everytime. But I have always loved playing against those types of players cause its a challenge. Thats what is so great to me about 2k, in my bulls association I always have a new challenge in how i'm going to attack their offense that is new. Every team requires different attacks. How can u complain? that is a fun challenge in my eyes, and I love to see that other people agree.
By the way the 3 things I bring to the table are evidence in who I like to use.
Bulls-Good shooters-hinrich,nocioni,gordon Mid Range-deng Attack Basket-Rose,thomas
Pistons-Good Shooters-billups, hamilton, shed(pck n pop) prince Mid Range-whole team Attack Basket-Billups, Maxiell
Jazz-Good Shooters-Williams, Korver, Okur(pck n pop) Mid Range-Kirilenko, Brewer Attack Basket-Boozer,Brewer, Williams
Hornets-Good Shooters-Peja(sick) Posey, Peterson Mid Range-Peja,Paul, West(pck n pop)Attack Basket-Paul
All four of these teams are also very good defensive teams if used correctly as well. I like the Celtics also, but only use them against the Suns or the Lakers if my opponent is VERY GOOD-By the way no one has made me move from the Bulls yet....

Whats your online name?

[deryn10]

im old school man, don't play online only with the boys where we r face to face...im thinking about gettin it, is it worth it?!?!? I hear so many people complaining about it.

[DetroitD]

wow, aside from the Jazz (haven't tried them out yet) you just nailed 3 of my 4 fav teams on 2k9. Pistons, Bulls and hornets for the reasons you obviously stated and the Blazers for me (good bigs, good shooters-long arms on defense) I love the way the game makes you work on D, too. I've been going through an association with Detroit with player lock on the point guards spot (chauncy and stuckey) and while it seems limiting it actually allows me to control the tempo of the game on both ends of the court. I can put pressure on the ball to slow them down when they bring the ball up court and force them out of position if I see someone coming off a screen. It also just disrupts their flow if I can force the ball out of the point guard's hands. What's really scary is that I can actually use real life...knowledge?...and apply it to the game. Kobe ran point yesterday. Pressured him full court and made him pass the ball to avoid getting the 8 second half court call, then stayed on him and denied him the ball. My friends hate me because I just won't lay off their guards. The funny thing is, I don't go for steals unless it's a sure thing on a passing lane or their driving to the basket and I knock it away during the layup/dunk. On offense I'm just annoying because I don't look to shoot first, sending Rip off screens and moving the ball around. Just leave someone open for half a second and see if he doesn't get the ball lol. The more I play this game the more I like how you can control the tempo and make it more and more real....or just blow your friends out for talking trash :lol:

[DetroitD]

And Bmackish thanks for the help D tip, I hadn't even thought of that lol. That probably would help keep the defenders at home on their man. Going to have to try that. I cringe when I see my CPU teamates double teaming. Inside I'm screaming "NOOOOOOOOO!" then it's a mad scramble to pick up the undoubtedly most lethal shooter on the opposing team they just left open lol.

[deryn10]

yeah I fell you, if you haven't tried the Jazz, you need to.Deron is for real, brewer is athletic and Okur and Korver can shoot lights out and boozer can score on the block. the jazz never have been a great video game team however with the way you can control pick n rolls okur/williams are very hard to defend....however you being a piston man, NO COMBO in the game is a hard to defend of pick n roll series as sheed and chauncey....NO COMBO. Stat and Nash are tough, but all you have to worry about there is the roll. I know I shouldn't cross posts. but detriot look at best sg thread

[DetroitD]

haha! Good catch. funny thing, I almost traded Chauncey for Rose. Dude's an absolute terror in this game. When I see the Bulls' ratings I can't help but think 'how?' I know they weren't that great last year (which honestly surprised me) but in a video game if you use them right they're soooo tough to beat. And TALL! And young too. Good team to have if you plan on going through multiple seasons. Whereas I'm going to end up trading off some of the Detroit squad, or at least not resigning Sheed just to free up cap room. Hate to lose him, but he's just too old to keep around for another year...and in my assoc. at least he's a little too unpredictable on rather or not he's bringing his A game lol.

[bmackish]

im old school man, don't play online only with the boys where we r face to face...im thinking about gettin it, is it worth it?!?!? I hear so many people complaining about it.

I used to be just like that, but I moved so I still wanted to play my closest friends, and talk trash... Online you also play so many types of players, you see so many styles.

Online you will play people who exploit the game, but it usually makes you better to know what to look for. It can also be frustrating but, you may take it as a challenge.

But you will find quite a few people who play sim, and those are the people you make your friends. The online issues, are mostly dealing server issues (getting connected). But they'll get it worked out. All you need is cable internet, usually no lag.

[bmackish]

And Bmackish thanks for the help D tip, I hadn't even thought of that lol. That probably would help keep the defenders at home on their man. Going to have to try that. I cringe when I see my CPU teamates double teaming. Inside I'm screaming "NOOOOOOOOO!" then it's a mad scramble to pick up the undoubtedly most lethal shooter on the opposing team they just left open lol.


Fa sho man, thats why I get on these forums.. to help or be helped, not complain, and curse at people.. lol...Or politic.

[DetroitD]

Fa sho man, thats why I get on these forums.. to help or be helped, not complain, and curse at people.. lol...Or politic.

same reason here. Help or be helped. And by the way, I find it a little ironic that the last few pages have been posts by people who seem to have a pretty solid grasp on Defense, maybe not perfect but it seems better than average at least and we're posting on the 'Where's the D??' thread lol....aparently it's here

[deryn10]

Yeah I probably will get the online in the coming weeks ill let you know once I get it. Yeah detroit I agree the bulls are hard to beat when you use them right, I was playing one of my boys today and ran off about 10 straight with deng (who later twisted his ankle) and my boy was like "damn man he ain't that good" I tell that is my favorite thing to hear my opponent say in 2k...loul deng my nickname for him is 'fugees' (as in the group,that might be to old school for some of you) and thats cause he is always 'killin 'em softly' ha. Gotta love deng's midrange it is butter (89 rating) on of the best in the game. I still am not very good with Nocioni's release point and that kills me cause he is the only guy worth pick n popin...but to stay on this thread, they can pressure the hell out of the ball and rose and gordon have good strength so they can body you up when you attack...gotta love my bulls.

[DetroitD]

lol@fugees. I remember that one. One thing I really do like about using the bulls against friends is that because of their bench it really allows you to play physical without too much worrying about foul trouble. With Detroit I have to be a little more careful because quite frankly I just don't trust the bench in tight games (exceptions being stuckey and maxiell) I even like Tyrus Thomas for defense and rebounding. And I know what you mean about nocioni's shot, I have that same problem with Prince. Just so funky looking. Another reason I like playing Player Lock with Detroit, let the computer deal with that goofey jumper of his. I'm convinced he's made entirely of elbows. Great defender, forces a lot of misses for me, but wow I'm clueless as to how to control him on the offensive end

[deryn10]

yeah we agree on a lot of stuff, thomas can also get some points.... I like giving my guys nicknames cause it REALLY ****es my boys off when I tell them a guys nickname and why they have it, and then I go and show them. Boy do they get ****ed and Thomas may have the best..HIGHLIGHT cause you can count on him giving you at least one super ridiculous highlight reel dunk...makes me laugh just thiniking about it...good point about being physical though never really thought of that. but with Gordon Nocioni and Thomas(sometime I start Highlight though) the bulls are on of the few time that get Better when you go to the bench.
However I gotta say I can shot well with prince though, and when I use the pistons I use him a my primary post option depending on whose gaurding sheed. There post games are about the same, but I found that sf's generally have a much weaker defensive post rating then opposing centers. I don't thought that might help

[DetroitD]

Yeah, I noticed that one time playing with the bulls, with some of the lineups in with bench guys the rating actually goes up. I guess it's like having Manu Ginobli coming off the bench for the spurs. LMAO@Highlight. not exactly someone I'm willing to sacrifice my body to get in the way of. Hadn't really thought of using Prince as a post up guy but that does make sense given the Small forward D-post ratings. I'm using some of my developments on Prince, but off the top of my head I can't for the life of me what I was improving with him. Something defensive I know that much. as a flip side it's kind of funny that I CAN use Nocioni's shot lol. And just out of curiosity, what defense do you use. I stick to man-to-man. Still trying to figure out why zone was introduced into the NBA...granted I'm glad it wasn't around when MJ was still playing (and no I don't count the Washington stint whenever I speak of the Great One) He would have torn a zone to shreds with all of his spot up shooters. Yet something tells me those old Bulls teams would have been even more insane had THEY been allowed to run a zone.

[deryn10]

last post for today, back monday night-thats the next time Im at work. Man to man almost exclusively.. full court press, with half court press sometimes. But im a 94 feet all game pressure guy. I do use some zone, thats a longer post for next time though.. nice posts, hit you next time....untill then everyone keepworking on ur d...this thread started as complaining and now we got some contructive advice/posts going. JOIN IN!!

[DetroitD]

last post for today, back monday night-thats the next time Im at work. Man to man almost exclusively.. full court press, with half court press sometimes. But im a 94 feet all game pressure guy. I do use some zone, thats a longer post for next time though.. nice posts, hit you next time....untill then everyone keepworking on ur d...this thread started as complaining and now we got some contructive advice/posts going. JOIN IN!!

Agreed on the full and halfcourt presses. great to have had some constructive back and forth. Take it easy...or sleazy, whichever you prefer. And good luck on...well, everything

[TechMansoor]

Tech that was a funny disclaimer....don't play 2k after a long days work that was good! Finally I have some people in this thread that agree with me, adjust the way you are playing and things will change believe the people that are actually doing it.
I use the bulls in one of my associations, so don't think I have a highly rated team and im relying on that to get things done.
Those two posts really help explain how hard it can be to play successfull defense against the computer, however it also shows it can be done...it takes a lot of effort. And sometimes the computer will score on good defense. I don't want a game where all i have to do is play good d and the computer is sure to miss, that is not realistic. People in the NBA score on not only good defense but great defense. I keep saying that so people understand that point, and if you let the computer get hot, then they are going to be real hard to stop.
Following one defensive standI stopped the game replayed the poss. so I could talk about the play...playing orlando with the bulls i began by guarding lee with hinrich my sg (someone else mentioned how rediculously good he is in this game) as nelson brought the ball up I switched to rose my pg when I realized the comp was running a pick to post play for howard, after I fought over the screen I switched to nocioni (who was my pf) on the weakside to slide over and make sure howard didn't get a roll dunk. after that I switched back to rose to try and pressure the post pass(unsuccessfully i might add) when the ball was passed into the post I doubled from the weakside with hinrich (2g) {I double from the weakside cause that was where 2 per. players were therefore I would have a shorter rotation after howard passed it out of the post} after I got howard doubled I switch to deng (sf) to rotate to the pass out which was thrown to lee. Once lee caught it [I use to jump right away on this first pass, it took me a while to adjust to being at the shooter on time] I lock d on him and he passed it to turkoglu (thier sf) meanwhile I was switching back to nocioni(my pf) to make the final rotation out to hedo to contest his shot.
Now when all of that was done I swithed on more time to hinrich(sg) becasue he was rotated to pj brown (orl pf) to box him out-now that last part took me a while to realize how important it was, but believe nothing is more upsetting then doing all that rotating just to give up an offensive reb putback, and believe me i have to do that a lot with the bulls when my final rotation (to end close games) is rose-pg gordon-sg hinrich-sf deng-pf thomas/gooden/noah(whoever is playing better)-c.
On that one play that was 8 different times of using certain players now I have never had to give that much effort in a 2K bball game on d..like I said u gotta change the way you play it in this game.

intelligent post brother!!! add me on your xbox or ps3.. 'clanvegeta'... id like to play the bulls vs the bulls..lol.. I play with them exclusively.. drose is my guy from memphis indeed...that man has made me a believer in a sense..i truly hope to see him flurish in the coming years..

but ok.. I'll keep changing my defense even though the accuracy in their shots, I still belive, is way off. it was me who mentioned lee being ridiculously good!!! :)


peace... gonna try and give my all at this game..

[BiggiePR]

Some here are missing the point..... it is not about if the computer can be beat.... i have beat the computer now 3 times n HOF, but i have to score 140 point or more and shoot 70% percent or so to do it... the thing is that you cant have a realistic game in HOF, last year we had great realistic games in hof, we still lost and stuff but it was shooting 50% or or so and with scored in the 90,s or low 100's... now the game was switched to an arcadish style.... too hard to guard the post, too much scoring both ways, thats the whole point.. theres no defense in the game.... and thats a fact..... i can score almost at will on the cpu too, so the prob is the game engine..... it is flawed IMO.

[slimjimmed]

i can score almost at will on the cpu too, so the prob is the game engine..... it is flawed IMO.

exactly right. this game is so great in so many ways, but alot of it is spoiled by the ease of scoring even in HOF.

[TechMansoor]

Some here are missing the point..... it is not about if the computer can be beat.... i have beat the computer now 3 times n HOF, but i have to score 140 point or more and shoot 70% percent or so to do it... the thing is that you cant have a realistic game in HOF, last year we had great realistic games in hof, we still lost and stuff but it was shooting 50% or or so and with scored in the 90,s or low 100's... now the game was switched to an arcadish style.... too hard to guard the post, too much scoring both ways, thats the whole point.. theres no defense in the game.... and thats a fact..... i can score almost at will on the cpu too, so the prob is the game engine..... it is flawed IMO.

this is undoubtedly a great point..i hear you indeed..hell on my season i just got blew out by the hawks by 20... they shot close to 80%...

again the point i was making earlier is that im playing good d... i have a big man right on top of the other man...hell i have them so close they can be making love..but the game makes the player do an off the wall swipe at the ball or some crap like that..

but..

others have admitted to keeping the cpu under 48% in shooting... and have started to win on a consistent basis..what one has to realize is that even if you have to play a perfect game..one can win...is that realistic absolutely not..and that has just frustrated me to the point of almost quittine bball games for this year.. but still...its called mastery of the game...im a firm believer in that...and since this game is multi-faceted with various styles it makes the game interesting...

still..

I'm getting sick of being beat by the grizzlies and the bobcats... i just got to figure out what works and then use it...and then try to work that same magic on online players..

i have given up hope yet..

peace

[DetroitD]

it could just be the team I use (look at the name and take a wild guesslol) but whenever a timeout is called I use the Point of Emphasis on Defense, no matter what, even if it's obvious it should be handling or shot selection. Almost every time I do that it seems the CPU just flat out misses more shots. I'm sure it has something to do with me playing as the Pistons but I notice a drastic change when I use it. i'm also an extremely aggressive defender though so...

[deryn10]

If you are having a tough time on HOF, go down a level a play there...But I agree tech, keep working you will start to see improvement. It's important to control the flow of the game. Im just know realizing how important it really is. Here is a general example..I will be dominating on both sides of the ball and get up say 14 points or so half way through the 2nd qtr. And then the computer might make a 3(some times cause of bad d, sometimes they make a tough shot) now the leads at 11, I don't score and they come back and get a bucket-lead is 9. Now after playing and getting use to the game I realize this mini 5-0 run needs to be stopped so I use a quick timeout. Before I would have looked at the lead and been like, 'hey im up 9 who cares' and who have gotten lazy or taken the lead for granted and before I knew it, the game would be close again half way through the 3 qtr.
My point is that you have to think of the whole game, if the computer has momentum, how do you stop it..an easy bsket(go to reliable play, or a player that can get a basket for you) maybe a timeout, maybe a tempo change (slow down) maybe even a quick possesion of a knew defense..all these things you need to think about. And depending on your team and its strengths, you won't know what is the best case scenario for you to stop a run. And make NO mistakes about it..the diference from a team shooting in the 40's or the 50's is stoping a run a 5-0 in comparison to 14-5 or something along those lines.

[DetroitD]

That's mainly why I play such a slow tempo on offense. Not necessarily to get the best shot, but because the best shot won't lead to an easy fast break for the other team. I also like to keep the ball out of the point guard's hands if I can. Make someone else set up the offense (unless their pg is a scrub lol) but controling tempo and momentum like deryn said is very key. make them play your pace and try to avoid track meets. Also, attack their star players. Making them work hard on the defensive end wears them out quicker.

[deryn10]

Yeah not playing a teams actual style is a quick way to get beat. actuall Detroit you make a good point about taking quick/bad shots...when I coached we would talk all the time about what made a 'good shot' and amongst the criteria was 'a shot we can defend' meaning we were in position and prepared to get back in transition. Great point, another aspect of the game that lends itself to actuall hoops.
You know the funny thing, I understand everyones frustration on here, because I was(and at times still am) in the same spot. ****ed cause this guy did this, or this guy did that...but now after having some success I realize it starts with me. Also, I noticed about this thread but it really has been discussed/explained in depth, what you do defensively will lead to what you do offensively, remember you need to control the tempo on how you want to play. Don't expect to push the ball evertime and get easy shots, but then on the other end play lock down physical d-it just wont happen on a consistant basis

[DetroitD]

So true on all of that. I've started getting better too, I noticed, at pulling the ball back out. Say if Chauncy gets an offensive rebound but there's too much trafic I'll actually pull the ball back out and reset sometimes. No need to rush if I have a fresh 24 I figure. Same on fast breaks, sometimes I'll push it up the court and even make it to the paint and realize that it would be a forced shot and wasted possession so I pull it back and reset. It's kind of funny, I've always wanted to coach high school and there's times when it feels like this game really tests your basketball IQ. I've gotten to not just calling 1 play per posession either. If one doesn't work, switch to another. Of course for me all of mine have Rip running off of screens even if I know I want to go to Sheed in the post. It's just having and creating options

[TechMansoor]

Yeah not playing a teams actual style is a quick way to get beat. actuall Detroit you make a good point about taking quick/bad shots...when I coached we would talk all the time about what made a 'good shot' and amongst the criteria was 'a shot we can defend' meaning we were in position and prepared to get back in transition. Great point, another aspect of the game that lends itself to actuall hoops.
You know the funny thing, I understand everyones frustration on here, because I was(and at times still am) in the same spot. ****ed cause this guy did this, or this guy did that...but now after having some success I realize it starts with me. Also, I noticed about this thread but it really has been discussed/explained in depth, what you do defensively will lead to what you do offensively, remember you need to control the tempo on how you want to play. Don't expect to push the ball evertime and get easy shots, but then on the other end play lock down physical d-it just wont happen on a consistant basis

What are you guys winning percentages as of now? are you two beating the cpu on a consistent basis now?

[deryn10]

Yeah definetly on the pulling the ball out, the game testing your bball iq and running the plays. Whenever i'm playing i always run team specific sets, the latest team I have taken 'under my wings' i had to drop the hornets, I just can't get paul figured out, I can have an ok-good game with him, but nothing like I can with other pgs, and for the life of me i have no idea why he gets his shots blocked so many time, lol! Anyway back to my new team-the Heat, you wanna talk about options-Wade in the post, wade on the wing, wade off a ball screen, wade of a down screen, then you have Marion slashing to the whole, And the offensive force desguised as beasley can do everything on the floor...I honestly think he might be the most complete offensive player in the game (relative to the position) the man is unreal.
Anyway but as far as stopping a run, I have a lot of different options, and its funnig cause if I go to one of them and it doesn't work I always second guess.
But to the defense thread and the point that both ends effect one another, tell me if you have this going on Detroit...before I would go two or three posessions without a bucket (maybe a turnover or missed shots, shot clock vialations whatever) and be upset at the game and miss an opurtunity to take the lead, or cut into the computers lead. But now if I go 2 or 3 unsuccessful trips (I second guess my play call) I look at myself and the decisions I make(even being made for shooting a contested shot in the paint and getting blocked) but instead of cutting into a lead, it prevents me from increasing my own...and that is evidence that I must be getting better on the defensive end, because my offense is being used to pile on points, not cut from a lead or exchange baskets..and that all starts with the defense.

[DetroitD]

What are you guys winning percentages as of now? are you two beating the cpu on a consistent basis now?

Yeah, I'm still not on default HoF (tweaking sliders and slowly increasing them to keep it challenging and not hair pullingly mad). Winning more than loosing but still taking some losses but I know it's me. I lost one game completely due to a few bonehead mistakes down the stretch. I'd say I'm around 70% but I won't lie, I've restarted a few games out of sheer stubornness lol.

I do tend to start the game down a few. It's almost becoming a trademark it feels like. I'll go down by 6 or so to start the game until I can adjust. I've noticed you really can't panic. There's a lot of time in a game and just because I'm down 15 or even 20 doesn't mean I can't come back or have to rush. I just clamp down on D and take it one posession at a time. maybe get to the basket and draw some fouls. I've gotten better and maintaining composure and keeping things at my tempo even if I'm down. After a few stops and a few smart offensive plays you're right back in the game. After that just keep it up and you're fighting for the lead then expanding it.
I started one 4th quarter down by double digits and actually won by double digits because I stayed calm and didn't force anything. I also scrambled like mad on D and took care of the ball on the offensive end.
I noticed I got an achievement that was 20 or more assists with fewer than 5 turnovers. I was and am proud of that one lol. When I start panicing and rushing is when things go horribly horribly wrong.

[deryn10]

Thats funny you asked that, cause its hard for me to judge. For this reason, in the first few 2k games I could use one team in a season then, when I went to play with the fellas (very important high level bragging rights games) I would just use whatever team I liked as far as rosters etc... not anymore because of all the sig shots I have to test run any team I think I could potentially use..and then I will stop once they are in the, yes i would use them or the no i wont use them piles, I have a good amount of teams the ones I have NOT used are: Nets,Knicks,G.S, Sac, Mil, OKC and Minn- Minn is the only team out of that group that I haven't used that I will still try. So the problem I have is I cant stick to one 'chise, however I think I have a few solid teams I can bring to the table against my boys so know I feel comfortable enough to begin staying on one team in a franchise..the other problem I have is this, once I use a team in a franchise I basically cant use them against my friends (because of roster changes players improving etc) so I have to be carefull who I use in my 'real' franchise..with all that said I am using the Heat now and im 4-0 with for double degit wins...
that is not saying much because of the weak start to the schedule, but a win of charlotte in charlotte is in there and everyone knows that anybody can get hot so you have to repect everyone. Also have 2 big road tests coming at SA and N.O
So anyway sorry for your long answer, but with testing all those teams(some I would NEVER use again) I would say I was wining about 70% or so, the funny thing was when I would use one team and when, then turn around and win the game with the other team next time I played...it wasn't funny when I lost with both teams though(happend once toronto vs philly)

[DetroitD]

Still a lot of teams I haven't tried that I want to. I thought I would like New Orleans but I just can't stop anybody from scoring with them. Portland is one that I really like. I know I'm restarting my franchise though because I cheated a little because I really like Dwight Howard and thought it would be fun to have him on the team but it's forcing too many rotation and minute problems, not to mention I'm using Sheed so much anyway that I'm not even using Dwight that much. He's fun but I use the stock detroit team outside of my association against thos 'all important bragging rights' games (that was funny, I like that)well enough and have as much fun with them as I do with the Howard pistons. I like the suns but I just can't use them in an association because they're TOO stacked. It's like having an all star team in my opinion.
I know I want a solid post defender and a solid post scorer (not necessarily in the same player) and some muscle off the bench. That's why I'm leaning towards Portland for my next franchise because so far they seem to suit me well (Detroit may be my team but their bench after Stukey and Maxiell just annoy me in the game) But like I said there are a lot of teams I have yet to try. I haven't tried Miami yet and probably won't but that's more for personal reasons (I'm currently miserable in Kansas have grown a steady intolerance for KU and KState that makes playing with Beasley almost near impossible for me lol)

[deryn10]

I fell you about using a certain player or team for personanl reasons, tuthfully that use to stop me from using detroit but now with all the moving without the ball Hamilton is a killer and really completes their team. Yeah speaking of the suns, my boys uses them this year, and we haven't played yet and I can't stand to think im gonna have to use on of the elite teams (LA, Boston or even Houston) to beat him. I've never had to do that, but the Suns are crazy good in the game, and he can play too. Thats why I have to get good with those second tier teams like Detroit and the Jazz (hope I didnt hurt yout feeling detroit) but those teams aren't at the level of the Suns. Honestly if I used the celtics and got comfortable with them I wouldn't even feel like I deserved to win you know what im saying.

[DetroitD]

lol, no harm done. I honestly feel like Detroit needs to make a trade or two to really get back into it despite how I might feel about them. Their collective ego seems to hurt them more than it helps. good idea on the new thread by the way. But yeah, when you're playing against someone that's good and using a good team you pretty have to combat that with another good team. When i first got the game my buddy played as the suns and oddly enough I chose the Celtics. Ray Allen is just deadly in the hands of a user (not so much if the computer controls him though I've noticed). But otherwise it does almost feel like cheating. Kind of like you're supposed to win instead of taking a lesser team and making them better. Much more satisfying when you get a win with a lower rated team. It's like yeah, I did that.
It's actually mildly frustrating when I play with my roomate because we have a seperate association where we play on the same team. He'd much rather have good well known players whereas all I actually NEED is a quick point guard. He doesn't have to be good at anything, just quick. I'm getting used to it a little though, but I'm slowly trying to bring him over to the 'team is fun' concept where you don't have to have the best guys just ones that can play their position. That's kind of like my vacation franchise right now anyway lol. But it still feels like we SHOULD win every game which takes out some of the satisfaction in a win. Like a game in which I blew a double digit lead to the Lakers (got careless and lazy in the 4th) and had to hit a buzzer beater with Billups to win it. that felt good just because of how tense the final minute and a half of that game was.

[alex_psilos07]

I just wanted to respond to deryn for some of his posts...i aggree totally with you for the difficulty to stop a real nba player.in this game when kobe,lebron,pierce or any other star makes difficult shots even contested i have no problem with that . these players do that in real life that's the reason they are the superstars in the nba...but when i see players like dampier hitting everything(even jump shots far from the basket),matt caroll doing reverse layups all the time,jameer nelson(one of the most inconsistent players in the nba)have 35 points in the first half without missing anything,and many more,what do u want me to say?this is just unreal.and i don't want to hear about,you don't play good d and all that stuff...when i see dampier or any dampier near the 3 point line i let him shoot.it's 90% a miss in real life.in this game it's 90% in...this is unrealistic.try to get dampier in your team and shoot the same shots that the computer makes.you will not make any.you will shoot airballs.come on....when you know about basketball you know when you are cheated or not.and in this game the cpu in the attack cheats.it's as simple as that.

[deryn10]

I feel you, I got a new post started on the whole defense topic, check it out. I just talked about the scrubs scoring and beating your teams.

[DetroitD]

yeah, I feel you. I know there have been times when I've given up wide open jumpers to no name players. Hell, me and buddy have a coop assoc and during one game we were concentrating on shutting down...some guy, a star player can't remember who. In the process we gave up a few open mid range jumpers to a 2nd or 3rd string center. He made him but we were both like, whatever, we'd rather that guy take the shot than one of the other guys. It's easier to shut down a bad player after they get rolling than a good one. I'll give shawn marks as many 17 foot jumpers as he wants lol

[BiggiePR]

im 1 - 3 on a new assoc with the clippers, even with kaman and Camby down Low i get killed!! Im blocking shots left and right but the cpu always manages to get the rebound.. same with the misses.... its always something.. i refuse to touch the sliders, but man... im so tempted... this is the only way oi think i can enjoy the game... the stats are unrealistic.. specially the rebounds!1 The cpu doest misses so i got like 10 rebounds between both Kamn and Camby.. some times less... this is not realistic at all and im going to continue bothering till 2k patches this bs game!

[deryn10]

biggie- once again i understand what you are saying, the best advice I can give u is this: first when it comes to post d, if your not doubling, then control your defensive post man. second don't use the big swat when contesting the shot just use the normal jump button, this just as successful, and it keeps you in decent rebounding position. Lastly you have to finish any defensve possesion, with a rebound. I've heard a lot about the amount of offensive rebounds in the game, i use the bulls, and a lot of the time i have a small lineup (deng at 4 thomas at 5) so i already understand that im going to give up a lot of offensive rebounds. The best thing i think you can do for defensive rebound is actually switch to a guy who is down low and go after the rebound(perferably on the backside) remember though you have to box out! Another thing i do is when a shot is taken look to see if your big guys have position and switch to a good rebound gaurd and crash the boards with him. Doing the second one depends on your team though, with the bulls a usually go with a low guys, but witht teams that have good rebounders on the wings (lebron, melo etc) I crash with a perimeter man. With the clippers (a team I have used a few times-don't like there wing players though) I would suggest the switching to a big and boxing out and going after the rebound...but even with Cmaby and Kaman make sure you arr boxing out.
Like I have sad before, nothing is worse than bustin your butt to stop the computer (and in this game its hard enough) and then giving up a rebound put back.

[fjccommish]

I play HOF 8 minute quarters and the AI scores about 80 ppg against me. I'm going to have to up the minutes.

I use player lock on the center, and their centers are killing me, but if I stick with the man and play good D I force misses and they go elsewhere for points.

[TechMansoor]

i am just soooooooooooo drained with this game.. and maybe its me and my mind or something.i dont know...

but guys im soooooo beat up with this game...

even when I contest shots, put hands in faces, the game either makes the shot, puts the ball through my hands or my body and they win!!!!!

this is honestly ridiculous...

we should be getting beat by the iq of the game, not by the inaccuracy of the game...

2k developers have not even recognized this as an issue...wow.

just thoroughly disappointed this year..

you guys keep it real, have a balanced life, and stay up man!!!

peace

[bmackish]

i am just soooooooooooo drained with this game.. and maybe its me and my mind or something.i dont know...

but guys im soooooo beat up with this game...

even when I contest shots, put hands in faces, the game either makes the shot, puts the ball through my hands or my body and they win!!!!!

this is honestly ridiculous...

we should be getting beat by the iq of the game, not by the inaccuracy of the game...

2k developers have not even recognized this as an issue...wow.

just thoroughly disappointed this year..

you guys keep it real, have a balanced life, and stay up man!!!

peace

What level do you play on? Truly it may be in your best interest to lower the difficulty, get a hang of the game, and then attempt to move back up, really its only been out two weeks, it may take just a little while to get the game down packed... Try to move at your own pace, not everyone else's, because whether you believe it or not HOF is hard, and there are a lot of people on here who may beat HOF, but I'm sure they re-setted the game at least once a day if not more, before winning. Take a look at the thread Constructive Defense there is a lot of good advice on there, not just by myself, but by few good people on these forums, who obviously want to be good and play the game the right way. I myself cannot beat HOF as much as I would like, but I know its not the computer cheating, its me not executing.

[jimo2305]

hahaha

SLIDERS!!! USE THE SLIDERS!!!!

trust me.. i had this issue with 2k8.. i tweaked sliders then eventually tweaked them back..

when you first rode a bike.. you weren't evel keniebel on your first try.. it something you're gonna have to get used to..

look the computer still gets hot streaks against me.. what do you do?

call time out.. to slow the momentum..

all brandon roy had to do was make a free throw to seal this one game i was playing.. and we all know roy can make free throws..

we called time out to ice him.. lol it worked..


this is pretty much just added realism to the game..

[TechMansoor]

im not leaving 2k9..my last post sounded like that..but im not leaving it.;just need a week off or something....

I understand deryons, detroitd, and bmackish points..but brothers... didn't you guys see what i mentioned..if i have a hand in the face switching off, jumping at balls, the cpu still hits.. :( :( :(:( ...and more often than not, which im sure 2k will patch, my hand is going through the ball when shooting and such....

im not a complainer..or never want to come off as being one...but i would like to know a solution is coming... and bmackish brother your words are awesome indeed..and they inspire me..because if you brothers are winning at all against the cpu..certainly i can or anyone for that matter...

and im listening, reading all posts in relation to defense..it just doesn't seem to work...

have you guys tried playing with the bulls against the mavs in a season or association..its just not happening...i must have turned off the game like 6 times..:(:(:(...

but ok..no matter what i say its gonna come off as complaining...

peace everyone!

[bmackish]

Tech, I understand, this game can be downright frustrating at times. If you need to take a week off I understand... lol, I had to take a month off last year!!

The whole hand through the ball thing-- its not going to happen all the time, but when it does happen, you just have to accept that its still virtual reality, and its not perfect... most of the times I don't trip when I see this, although, at the time of it happening I may be irrational. lol..

If you play against people at your house, you will see that this game vs. a human player is absolutely phenomenal, the computer is always a different type of game than what you get in real life.

Online has had its problems but it is much improved, from what I've seen as of today.

Take a week off come back to it, you'll get it man.

XBL: BMACKISH

[jimo2305]

my cuz keeps wonderin why i like this game the more i play it.. he's like "but you keep gettin whooped by the computer lol"..

i see it more as a challenge..ill only be defeated if i give up but like every other game ive played.. i eventually get it and start beating the system.. man up to the challenge.. dont let it consume you

[Dullah75]

I am going to empower you all. Take-Two is a public traded company and all the information about them is online. Their finanicail (money making data, stock prices, et.c) are in 10q and 10k forms here:
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/financials/secfilings.asp?symbol=TTWO.O

The 10Q and the 10K have contact info that must be published!!!

Corporate Office/ Address / Phone
Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc. 622 Broadway
New York, NY 10012 (646) 536-2842

Sales - (646) 536-2842
Technical Support - (866) 219-9839
IR@take2games.com
pr@2kgames.com
pr@2ksports.com
TEchnical director!!!! : techdirector@vcentertainment.com

Sales will listen and be more responsive than this forum, but you must call and let them know that you are a comsumer and you want what you paid for, a gme that is suppose to work like we resonably expected it to!!!


They are not living up to the promises made on the 10Q form, like this one:

Management, including our Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer, does not expect that our internal controls will prevent or detect all errors and all fraud. A control system, no matter how well designed and operated, can provide only reasonable, not absolute, assurance that the objectives of the control system are met. Further, the design of a control system must reflect the fact that there are resource constraints, and the benefits of controls must be considered relative to their costs. Because of the inherent limitations in all control systems, no evaluation of internal controls can provide absolute assurance that all control issues and instances of fraud, if any, have been detected. Also, any evaluation of the effectiveness of controls in future periods are subject to the risk that those internal controls may become inadequate because of changes in business conditions, or that the degree of compliance with the policies or procedures may deteriorate.

These are the people you want to contact about the 2K games and you have a right to call and asked to speak to any of these people as a consumer, I have and I suggest that you do it to. The more pople call these peopel the faster we will get results as I am confident that these people are are not recieving the feedack we have provided about the products (2k9 NBA, etc) we have purchased.. You dont tell them, you dont get results!! you dont ask for results from these peple, you dont get!!.. I am buying 1 stock in the company so I can be a part owner (its not expensive or hard to do), you should two.. you can no matter your age.. If you are a part owner you can make things happen, because they must take what you say into account. Look these people up and call the company (take Two Interactive) and ask to speak to the CEO, or anyone else on the list, they must let you speak with them.. Here is the list below. I would copy this post and spread the info so we can get some responsiveness from the people that matter!!

Ask for them by name at number : 646-536-2842 press 0 to reach the operator or do the dial by name. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO TALK TO THESE PEOPLE ABOUT THE ISSUES!! I HAVE POSTED BEFORE AND GOT NO RESPONSE, SO NOW ITS TIME TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL.. IF THIS DOES NOT GET SOME ACTION, I AM FILING A GRIEVANCE AND GOING TO THE MEDIA.. They took our money and ran away, I will get what I paid for and you should as well!! This product offering is not a resonable offering when you look at the past product offering and that fact is enough ground to legally stand on!

/s/ Ben Feder
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Ben Feder Chief Executive Officer (Principal Executive Officer) December 17, 2007

/s/ Lainie Goldstein
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Lainie Goldstein

Chief Financial Officer (Principal Financial and Accounting Officer)

December 17, 2007

/s/ Strauss Zelnick
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Strauss Zelnick

Director

December 17, 2007

/s/ J Moses
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J Moses

Director

December 17, 2007

/s/ Michael Dornemann
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Michael Dornemann

Director

December 17, 2007

/s/ Michael Sheresky
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Michael Sheresky

Director

December 17, 2007

/s/ Robert A. Bowman
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Robert A. Bowman

Director

December 17, 2007

/s/ John F. Levy
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John F. Levy

Director

December 17, 2007

/s/ Grover C. Brown
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Grover C. Brown

Director

December 19, 2007

Note:
This is my right to free speech and I will exercise it! Any barrier to my civil rights will be handled in court, and I will recieve damages in Tort!! You should ask you legal team about this!!

[jimo2305]

^ :rotfl::rotfl:

[IISHOWTIMEIV]

Defense is ridiculously hard in this game. The only reason why I win is beacuse I'll score like 130. The other day I was playing and I scored 80 points at halftime. I use the Lakers and I'm not a douche with Kobe. I play the game to have fun but I can't seem to because defense is impossible

[P-lino]

The 2k franchise really out did themselves this year by allowing the cpu to tear you apart if you don't approach the game with respect for the dynamic offence 2k9 possess. I have to admit this game will give you the urge to throw anything within two feet of you accross the room in a rage that is parrallell to that of a clinically assessed psychopath. Nevertheless, the success you achieve in beating the cpu at its own game is an experience worth playing for. 2k9 does'nt want to give you the NBA championship, 2k9 wants you to earn it!!!!! And like everything else in life, you just have to practice to be good at what you do. In this case, patience and growth in experience will determine your success in this years franchise of NBA 2k9. Hears a testament: I started my assosciation with the Clippers on HOF level after beating the Lakers on a regular basis in exhibition games. My Clippers in the association mode is 27 and 4.

[Steptome1]

Lol you just have to use you're brain on defense. I don't know about the CPU but stopping real people is quite easy with defensive fundamentals in mind like always try to keep a man between you're Opp. and the basket, help on D if needed, rotate etc. Good defensive players are also key to locking someone down. Especially BIGS.

[jimo2305]

there's got to be something done about the computer and help defense.. unless i just dont get the slider.. but i finally figured out how to play D on my guy..

the lock on D button.. u only press it when the player's trying to drive in.. when he's stationary.. let go of it and jus play your best D.. i figured that out when i was doin' development in my association and i had to keep them out of the marker..

that combined with help d at the right time can keep this cpu from scoring.. however i still say use sliders because it's unreal for the cpu to make every open shot

[slimjimmed]

I cannot make defensives stops at all. Alley Oops like crazy. And point guards I play against always have record-breaking assist games that dominate the headlines even when I win which is almost never.

These controllers don't have the finesse for my fingers to respond. It's like I have to be perfect or I will lose everytime.

I just don't have the time to perfect things. I wanna play 2k9 but I am not investing a bunch of time every single day so that I can sit in front of a screen.

There needs to be a version of this game for people who have a life but still want to have competitive realistic games.

[raptor-fan]

i know!, ive found a huge way to help on defense is to raise the hustle slider for human a lot. Its the only way to balance thigns out since your teamates are retards most of the time and just sit around or loli-gag around the court. It especialyl helps with backdoor cuts, which are really backdoor cuts, just computers running towards the rim and your teamates skipping behind them 10 feet away,..

[gizbug]

I cannot make defensives stops at all. Alley Oops like crazy. And point guards I play against always have record-breaking assist games that dominate the headlines even when I win which is almost never.

These controllers don't have the finesse for my fingers to respond. It's like I have to be perfect or I will lose everytime.

I just don't have the time to perfect things. I wanna play 2k9 but I am not investing a bunch of time every single day so that I can sit in front of a screen.

There needs to be a version of this game for people who have a life but still want to have competitive realistic games.

I agree completely

[pistonu21]

I am playing in association on HOF difficulty and I am 9-4. The people complaining about the computer cheesing all the time are absolutely right. If you keep playing you will improve but there is no excuse for guys like Nazr Mohhamad, Glenn Davis, and Erika Dampier hitting 20 footers. The only tips I have are pay attention to EVERYONE when you are on defense and you will see the back cut coming. You may need to use icon passing to switch to the guy you want. When the PG brings the ball up he almost always passes to whoever is closest to him, sometimes I can just use my pg to get in the way and deflect the pass.

When the cpu tries to score in the post, I either attempt to steal while they are backing down or bring someone to double team while always keeping track of who I left open so I can select another defender to try to inetercept it from him. Even if I don't get the steal, I'm in position to play defense on the shooter. But the amount of contested shots the CPU makes is no way near realistic. I don't use any sliders except the one that makes FTs easier but if you use sliders, you should'nt feel bad because the computer does cheese alot but when you guys figure out how to dominate the computer, you will swear that this is the best game ever. After you learn how to play, cheesing is the only way the cpu has a chance. It's funny how people are saying that they played real basketball and that's why they understand 2k9. I'm pretty sure everyone on here has played real ball.

Don't give up on the game though

[brasfi al-muhammed]

yeah, i really **** with guys like andrew bynum hitting 22 foot jumpers and shaq and stoudemire getting dunked on by sasha vujacic.

[kjeebs9]

I cannot make defensives stops at all. Alley Oops like crazy. And point guards I play against always have record-breaking assist games that dominate the headlines even when I win which is almost never.

These controllers don't have the finesse for my fingers to respond. It's like I have to be perfect or I will lose everytime.

I just don't have the time to perfect things. I wanna play 2k9 but I am not investing a bunch of time every single day so that I can sit in front of a screen.

There needs to be a version of this game for people who have a life but still want to have competitive realistic games.

I agree....I love the game. I think there are some huge improvements. But I can't invite friends over. Who have never played this game. And we all enjoy it. You really have to spend a lot of time playing the game to be just good.

[Kingof2k08]

Wheres The D????

It's property of the King.

[perryjl12]

I got my first win of the season against Celtics. I had the same problems you guys had as well when i frist played.......i got my *** whooped by the cpu many times. But i finally think i'm coming around. I never got to play against the cpu much because my friends and i kept playing each other. I have no complaints when playing against another person, but the cp is just crazy. And they alley-hoop way too much. I do love a difficult game because i love a challenge but Damn!!!

Well after i went 1-3 with Cleveland, i started my season over yesterday due to udate in roster. Not my roster but the Det-Den trade. Well once i started my season over again with Cleveland, i had to play Celtics. At first they came out on fire as always and they went up double digits. I started using my C, and PF alot to block the lane because they sorry cpu help defense kept allowing too many cut in layups. Well once i took over the inside with Wallace and Ilgauskas, we slowed Celtics down big time. And the fact i didn't really need to guard Rondo helped as well. We slowed their offense down tremendously. We came back and took the lead and held it the rest of the game. James had 33 points, Ilgauskad 23 with 7 block shots.

[perryjl12]

1 thing i do like is that you have to work alot harder to score on offense. This year i have to actually call plays, call pick and roles and realistic things like that. I never had a B-ball game that forced me to think like this one does on offense. And that's another reason i think i beat Celtics, because i played smart offense and didn't rely on James. At first because it was so hard all i was doing was driving inside with James until they finally decided to double him, then as he got double i would find the open guy. So James would end up with half the teams points. I hated playing like that but i wasn't use to the game. But now i'm learning to work the offense much better, and i don't rely on James 100% of the time. I found some good plays to get Wally and Gibson open for some good shots, and some other plays for James. I learned how to work Big Z in the post much better especially after practicing it. So i think i'm ready for a whole season now.

[jimo2305]

1 thing i do like is that you have to work alot harder to score on offense. This year i have to actually call plays, call pick and roles and realistic things like that. I never had a B-ball game that forced me to think like this one does on offense. And that's another reason i think i beat Celtics, because i played smart offense and didn't rely on James. At first because it was so hard all i was doing was driving inside with James until they finally decided to double him, then as he got double i would find the open guy. So James would end up with half the teams points. I hated playing like that but i wasn't use to the game. But now i'm learning to work the offense much better, and i don't rely on James 100% of the time. I found some good plays to get Wally and Gibson open for some good shots, and some other plays for James. I learned how to work Big Z in the post much better especially after practicing it. So i think i'm ready for a whole season now.

see? that's what some of these people dont' get..

nba basketball isn't as easy as it looks.. these players aren't running around with their heads cut off.. they're running plays.. why does one think the coach is always barking or standing with intense focus at his players on the sidelines.. they're runnin' plays like crazy.. it all takes some gettin used to.. right now the computer rarely gets open shots on me now.. and i dont think im one of the best gamers out there.. patience and exposure to the game is the key

[perryjl12]

I just restarted my season again due to more Roster changes. This time it did involve Cleveland, lol. See i don't have online like most you guys so i have so i do my changes manually. I won't restart again, i just wanted to get Delonte West on the team. Well once again i had to face Celtics in the 1st game in the season for the 3rd time. And they beat me by 6. They just had too many weapons and Garnett was killing Big Z in the post. They played like the real Celtics too is what i liked. Rondo was even killing me, not from the outside of course, but he penetrated our defense like in real life. My shooters was on lock so i never got a good perimeter game going, but i will go practice more plays for that.

I know one thing for sure this year, i won't be going through a whole season on HOF with only 10 losses. I'm going to have to actually fight for every game, and i kind of like that. There are still somethings i got to get better at defensively. But one thing i can't stand on here which they need to calm down. The freakin alley-hoops. It really is insane how easy it is for the cpu to get those. Rondo had just passed the half-court and threw one to Garnett out of no where. So they are really insane and almost unstoppable. But other than that it's all good.

[jimo2305]

i love when my cpu players intercept the alley oops.. lol.. im like 'haha.. yea nice try punks'

u know about the ingame coaching menu right? tweak your help defense slider.. that might help.. and again..t here's always game sliders as well

[perryjl12]

i don't mess with game sliders unless it's to make the game harder for me. Like last year HOF was so easy, i made the sliders harder than HOF. But i may try the tweaking the help defense.

[bmackish]

Go to the thread Constructive defense... I just posted some good tips, as well as some others.. check it out.. It should definitely help... Best of Luck!!!

[SIX HUNNIT]

i am going to empower you all. Take-two is a public traded company and all the information about them is online. Their finanicail (money making data, stock prices, et.c) are in 10q and 10k forms here:
http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/financials/secfilings.asp?symbol=ttwo.o

the 10q and the 10k have contact info that must be published!!!

Corporate office/ address / phone
take-two interactive software, inc. 622 broadway
new york, ny 10012 (646) 536-2842

sales - (646) 536-2842
technical support - (866) 219-9839
ir@take2games.com
pr@2kgames.com
pr@2ksports.com
technical director!!!! : techdirector@vcentertainment.com

sales will listen and be more responsive than this forum, but you must call and let them know that you are a comsumer and you want what you paid for, a gme that is suppose to work like we resonably expected it to!!!


They are not living up to the promises made on the 10q form, like this one:

Management, including our chief executive officer and chief financial officer, does not expect that our internal controls will prevent or detect all errors and all fraud. A control system, no matter how well designed and operated, can provide only reasonable, not absolute, assurance that the objectives of the control system are met. Further, the design of a control system must reflect the fact that there are resource constraints, and the benefits of controls must be considered relative to their costs. Because of the inherent limitations in all control systems, no evaluation of internal controls can provide absolute assurance that all control issues and instances of fraud, if any, have been detected. Also, any evaluation of the effectiveness of controls in future periods are subject to the risk that those internal controls may become inadequate because of changes in business conditions, or that the degree of compliance with the policies or procedures may deteriorate.

These are the people you want to contact about the 2k games and you have a right to call and asked to speak to any of these people as a consumer, i have and i suggest that you do it to. The more pople call these peopel the faster we will get results as i am confident that these people are are not recieving the feedack we have provided about the products (2k9 nba, etc) we have purchased.. You dont tell them, you dont get results!! You dont ask for results from these peple, you dont get!!.. I am buying 1 stock in the company so i can be a part owner (its not expensive or hard to do), you should two.. You can no matter your age.. If you are a part owner you can make things happen, because they must take what you say into account. Look these people up and call the company (take two interactive) and ask to speak to the ceo, or anyone else on the list, they must let you speak with them.. Here is the list below. I would copy this post and spread the info so we can get some responsiveness from the people that matter!!

Ask for them by name at number : 646-536-2842 press 0 to reach the operator or do the dial by name. You have a right to talk to these people about the issues!! I have posted before and got no response, so now its time to take it to the next level.. If this does not get some action, i am filing a grievance and going to the media.. They took our money and ran away, i will get what i paid for and you should as well!! This product offering is not a resonable offering when you look at the past product offering and that fact is enough ground to legally stand on!

/s/ ben feder
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ben feder chief executive officer (principal executive officer) december 17, 2007

/s/ lainie goldstein
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lainie goldstein

chief financial officer (principal financial and accounting officer)

december 17, 2007

/s/ strauss zelnick
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strauss zelnick

director

december 17, 2007

/s/ j moses
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j moses

director

december 17, 2007

/s/ michael dornemann
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michael dornemann

director

december 17, 2007

/s/ michael sheresky
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michael sheresky

director

december 17, 2007

/s/ robert a. Bowman
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robert a. Bowman

director

december 17, 2007

/s/ john f. Levy
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john f. Levy

director

december 17, 2007

/s/ grover c. Brown
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
grover c. Brown

director

december 19, 2007

note:
This is my right to free speech and i will exercise it! Any barrier to my civil rights will be handled in court, and i will recieve damages in tort!! You should ask you legal team about this!!

wow, just use the sliders and e'erthing will be swell. Lmao....

[jimo2305]

lmao the concept of using sliders isn't to play the game forever ont hose sliders tweak it so taht you can employ your defensive schemes.. then adjust it back to harder settings and eventually even more harder settings than you originally had..

i mean.. as of now.. im winning games.. but sometimes i still get my *** kicked.. but when i lose.. it isn't like 200 to 34..

i know if i set it back to the way the game came.. they wouldnt be drilling shots on me again.. it's learning how to play defense..

[theboycaoimhs]

Stop fookin whining the lot of ya. I got the game as soon as it came out and for the first week it ****ed me off cuz I couldn't defend. Now I'm doin pretty well at stopping guys from scoring and winning a high percentage of games. Use the double team on the best players and also deny ball to players like KG or Amare (I play with the Lakers). There are some annoying bits but it's like every other computer game, none of them are perfect!

[Godson83]

Yeak 2k9 lacks defense heavy i got killed by eric dampier and luis scola from the rockets this game is off its square

[ace _da_bastardswordsman]

I feel you on that I now i somtimes get lazy on D but damn though you have to man up everytime damn near be perfect

[iamwolf97]

I wanna know whats up with my AI's Defense? The other team leaps off the vertical, swats the swatted shots and grab the ball, catches balls in mid-air, Jordanesque passing lane moves from Shaq, all while my Big Men step to the side while Nate Robinson slowly lays the ball up.

[Rage2k]

I wanna know whats up with my AI's Defense? The other team leaps off the vertical, swats the swatted shots and grab the ball, catches balls in mid-air, Jordanesque passing lane moves from Shaq, all while my Big Men step to the side while Nate Robinson slowly lays the ball up.

Same here. :) But you can get back at them with drawing charges all the time. When a guard blows by your guard, just take somebody near the rim and draw the charge. Works every time...it's pretty cheap, but it helps. :)

[DetroitD]

Also if you're controlling the guy that just got beat you can swipe ball (tap steal) when he goes up for the layup/dunk so long as you're in the vicinity. Kind of cheap but extremely effective against slashers. Just tap steal when they pick up their dribble

[scott27va]

maybe im doing something wrong, maybe a slider issue but why doesnt anyone step up and take a charge on a fast break? either they try to block the shot or foul the guy. anyway to make my defenders step up and take one for the team ??

[EMdUb4lifE]

The CPU always shoots over well over 50% against me (bigs often with unreal percentages) and games are way higher scoring than actual NBA games. And they can block my shot even when it seems like I'm open. That's why I adjust the sliders to make it more realistic

[Steptome1]

If you used you brain on defense and you know you're not that quick with the controls, play very simple defense not trying to make a mistake or gamble.