DOOMS DAY DEFENSE III Sign Ups!!!

[nflhitman]

How do you rate your offense between 1-10? Is that rating the same if you had no skilled position players in the Gold or Silver Tiers? It is easy to say you have a great offense when you have a Gold and Silver offense but a true APF 2K8 offensive guru would not need a Gold and Silver offense. Can you take a Bronze offense and still move the ball? Test your Offensive skills in this defensive league. In this league you will have to spend your Gold & Silver picks on defense. If you would like to join a league that makes you think when you play offense than post below that you want in and your team you will use. You can use any player in the game or off my CAP legend list to create your team set up. You can use a O-Lineman, Kicker & Punter in any tier but you still have to have 6 on defense. This is in an effort to get more use out of the least used positions in this game.

CAP list & League Rules.... http://online.2ksports.com/league/news?p=360&t=APF2K8&l=32555

League will be set up on Legend difficulty with some custom sliders for defense.

Human Blocking - 25
Human Passing - 25
Human Running - 25
Human Catching - 25
Human Coverage - 90
Human Pursuit - 90
Human Tackling - 90
Human Kicking - 25
Human Fatigue - 50

CPU Blocking - 50
CPU Passing - 50
CPU Running - 50
CPU Catching - 50
CPU Coverage - 90
CPU Pursuit - 90
CPU Tackling - 90
CPU Kicking - 75
CPU Fatigue - 50
Injury - 50
Fumble - 100
Interceptions 100

Banned Players & Attributes that can not be used:

Players:
Christian Okoye RB
Natrone Means RB
Pete Metzelarrs TE
Dwight Clark WR

Attributes:
Signal Stealer
Cadence

1. NFLHITMAN
2. amid/tjspeaks
3. Freakish Mind
4. Numbski
5. Leeroy Jenkyns
6. NY KIA
7. Bowdown
8. Numba1Killa5
9. BigDawkMike
10. BAM BAM 125
11. Pain Train X
12. iamsoonersam
13.
14.
15.
16.

Here is my team.

NFLHITMAN

G: Willie Brown CB
G: Rod Woodson CB/SS
S: Lem Barney CB
S: Dan Hampton ( The Beast!!! )
S: Ed " Too Tall " Jones DE
B: Brad Van Pelt OLB
B: Robert Brazile OLB
B: Bobby Hebert QB
B: Alvin Harper WR
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Rob Moore WR

amid/tjspeaks:

G: Dave Wilcox OLB
G: Willy Wood FS
S: D. Anderson SS
S: Greg Lloyd LB
S: Lem Barney CB
B: Anthony Carter WR
B: Rob Moore WR
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Dexter Manley DE
B: Al Del Greco K
B: Mark Rypien QB

Numbski:

G: Ronnie Lott FS
G: Jack Lambert ILB
S: Jack Tatum FS
S: Joey Browner SS
S: D;ck Anderson SS ( Signal Stealer is only banned if you manually use that attribute. )
B: Carl Banks OLB
B: Dan Saleuma DT
B: Clyde Simmons DE
B: Jim Harbaugh
B: Wesley Walker
B: Wide Receiver

NY KIA:

G: Art Donovan DT
G: Randy White DT
S: Lester Hayes CB
S: Roger Wehrli CB
S: Harry Carson ILB
B: Nolan Cromwell FS
B: Eric Green TE
B: Floyd Little RB
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Wesley Walker WR
B: Mark Rypien QB

Numba1Killa5

G: Jack Christansen FS
G: Andy Russell OLB
S: Cornell Green CB
S: Jerome Brown DT
S: Joey Browner SS
B: Neil O' Donnell QB
B: Lamar Lathon OLB
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Alvin Harper WR
B: Eric Green TE
B: Albert Lewis CB

Bowdown:

G: B. Bell OLB
G: W Brown CB
S: Butler SS
S: Greg Lloyd OLB
S: Barney CB
B: Alvin Harper WR
B: R Sanders WR
B: E. Green TE
B: D. Meggett HB
B: E. Robinson FS
B: Bartkowski QB

BigDawgMike:

G: Rod Woodson CB
G: Night Train Lane CB
S: Dennis Smith SS
S: Jack Tatum FS
S: Greg Lloyd OLB
B: Robert Brazile OLB
B: Bernie Koser QB <--- You can not use the Signal Stealer attribute if you pick Kosar.
B: Ron Wolfey RB
B: Eric Green TE
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Ricky Sanders

BAM BAM 125:

G: dave wilcox OLB
G: lemar parrish CB
S: Butler SS
S: Greg Lloyd OLB
S: Barney CB
B: R. Moore WR
B: c branch WR
B: E. Green TE
B: Bartkowski QB
B: b foster HB
B: o wilson OLB

Freakish Mind:

GOLD
OLB Dave Wilcox
CB Rod Woodsen

SILVER
CB Lem Barney
SS Joey Browner
CB Speedy Duncan

BRONZE
CB Terry Mcdanial
OLB Brad Van Pelt
DE Dexter Manley
DT William Perry
K Jeff Jaeger
QB Dave Krieg

Pain Train X:

Gold:
Ronnie Lott FS
Ray Nichske LB
Silver:
Chuck Bednarik LB
Elvin Bethea DE
**** Anderson SS
Bronze:
Reggie (the beast) Cobb HB
Tony Nathan HB
John Brodie QB
Rocket Ismail WR
Ricky Sanders WR
Ken Norton JR LB

iamsoonersam

Golds
FS Cliff Harris
DE Leeroy Selmon
Silvers
SS Leeroy Butler
OLB Greg Lloyd
K Jan Stenerud
Bronzes
TE Doug Crosbie -
QB Jim Harbaugh -
RB Freeman McNeil
RB Tony Nathan
ILB Brian Bosworth
CB Terry McDaniel

[amid]

amid/tjspeaks

G: Dave Wilcox OLB
G: Willy Wood FS

S: D. Anderson SS
S: Greg Lloyd LB
S: Lem Barney CB

B: Dwight Clarke WR
B: Rob Moore WR
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Dexter Manley DE
B: Al Del Greco K
B: Mark Rypien QB

[Fre@k of $atan7]

Count me in again...

[zhaoyun707]

So everybody is on Dave Wilcox bandwagon.

[Numbski]

Well crap. Amid stole most of my defense. :P

I'll try running with this:

G: Ronnie Lott
G: Jack Lambert

S: Jack Tatum
S: Joey Browner
S: D;ck Anderson (I don't control him - does it matter that he has Signal Stealer, or just that I'm not allowed to use it?)

B: Carl Banks
B: Dan Saleuma
B: Clyde Simmons
B: Jim Harbaugh
B: Wesley Walker
B: Wide Receiver

I hadn't realized until I pulled up Teambuilder - you're basically banning any power backs. No Gold or Silvers, which is fine, but then you say no Power backs AT ALL - you have to use a finesse back. Kinda sucks given the nature of the league. :\ (I know, I know, "everyone would use Okoye or Means" I get that - but there really aren't any other viable power back options. Barry Foster is *kinda*, but he gets tired waaaay too quick. I've tried him before.

[Numbski]

Just so I qualify what I'm saying:

Bronze backs with Strength Bonus:
Christian Okoye

Bronze Backs with Workhorse:
Christian Okoye
Natrone Means

Bronze Backs with Branching Tackles:
Christian Okoye

Bronze Backs with Battering Ram:
Christian Okoye
Natrone Means
Barry Foster

Bronze Backs with Power:
None

Bronze Backs with Finesse and Power:
None

[nflhitman]

Just so I qualify what I'm saying:

Bronze backs with Strength Bonus:
Christian Okoye

Bronze Backs with Workhorse:
Christian Okoye
Natrone Means

Bronze Backs with Branching Tackles:
Christian Okoye

Bronze Backs with Battering Ram:
Christian Okoye
Natrone Means
Barry Foster

Bronze Backs with Power:
None

Bronze Backs with Finesse and Power:
None

Yes and those Backs except Barry Foster are not welcome in DDD. This was voted on in previous DDD leagues going back to the original. What I hear the most complaints about now is Dwight Clark so I will probably put up a poll on his use.

[Gunther]

I want in

I dunno how I missed season 2

[nyknicks33]

Hoorah..this is my favorite league. I vote for 16 games..lets give the "D" equal love.

Lets see..what do I want to whip up.

Defense:

FS:Ronnie Lott
CB:Lester Hayes
CB: Roger Wherli
DT: Keith Millard
LB: Lamar Lathon
LB: Brad Van Pelt

Offense:
G:Larry Little
HB: Barry Foster
WR: Cliff Branch
WR: Wesley Walker
QB: Mark Rypien

[Numbski]

Yes and those Backs except Barry Foster are not welcome in DDD. This was voted on in previous DDD leagues going back to the original. What I hear the most complaints about now is Dwight Clark so I will probably put up a poll on his use.

That's cool. I'll try going with a generic halfback and 2 WR's this time out. Why not - might as well have a passing threat for once. ;) Find new ways to get beat on - only way to get better.

I want to make clear I'm not whining about this, I don't mind adjusting my team AT ALL. My gut reaction when seeing a league like this is to build a power running team, but you can't do that. Makes for some seriously stilted team building - but then if you're cutting Clark and Metzelaars, mmmokay, why not.

I'm curious to see how long it takes for someone to find the theme of my chosen defense. :D

[ImBACKK,killah5]

G: Jack Christansen
G: Andy Russell

S: Cornell Green
S: Jerome Brown
S: Joey Browner

B: Neil O' Donnell
B: Lamar Lathon
B: Cliff Branch
B: Alvin Harper
B: Eric Green
B: Albert Lewis

[Bowdown]

G: B. Bell OLB
G: W Brown CB

S: Butler SS
S: Greg Lloyd OLB
S: Barney CB

B: R. Moore WR
B: R Sanders WR
B: E. Green TE
B: D. Meggett HB
B: E. Robinson FS
B: Bartkowski QB

[BigDawgMike]

Im in.

Rod Woodson
Night Train Lane

Dennis Smith
Jack Tatum
Greg Lloyd

Robert Brazile
Tyrone Wheatley
Jim Harbaugh
Troy Drayton
Cliff Branch
Dwight Clark or Ricky Sanders

I may have some changes

[BigDawgMike]

Rod Woodson
Night Train Lane

Dennis Smith
Jack Tatum
Greg Lloyd

Robert Brazile
Bernie Koser
Fred McAfee
Eric Green
Cliff Branch
Dwight Clark or Ricky Sanders

[Fre@k of $atan7]

GOLD
OLB Dave Wilcox
CB Rod Woodsen

SILVER
CB Lem Barney
SS Joey Browner
CB Speedy Duncan

BRONZE
CB Terry Mcdanial
OLB Brad Van Pelt
DE Dexter Manley
DT William Perry
K Jeff Jaeger
QB Dave Krieg

[Numbski]

OH! I almost forgot - before I go getting myself into trouble, I have a question.

I have 4 safeties and operate out of a 3-2. I like to walk those near safeties up to the box on certain blitzes and run defenses. Am I allowed to just go ahead and call that out of a 3-4 (or 3-3, depending), or do I have to call it out of a 3-2 and manually walk them up? It only happens a small handful of downs per game, so it doesn't bother me either way, but I know the whole "letter of the law" thing. It doesn't change the play my opponent is going to see, it just saves me time at the line. I can audible out of a 3-4 or 3-2 and formation shift to a 3-2, but I haven't be able to consistently make it go the other way around. Like I said - semantical difference. I'm not playing Browner and Tatum as OLB's all game long, but you know how those pre-snap adjustments get - I'd like to save that time. :)

[nyknicks33]

What on earth is wrong with dwight clark?

[Numbski]

Overused, clutch. That's just about it - he has a tendency to come up with miracle catches - oh, and as with the two banned HB's, he's overused. :P

[Av3ng3d Ryd3r]

I'll be joining for another season, with cobb eating yards up like no other brother.

Gold:
Ronnie Lott FS
Ray Nichske LB
Silver:
Chuck Bednarik LB
Elvin Bethea DE
**** Anderson SS
Bronze:
Reggie (the beast) Cobb HB
Tony Nathan HB
John Brodie QB
Rocket Ismail WR
Ricky Sanders WR
Ken Norton JR LB

I may change the team but it looks like this right now.

[Numbski]

Dual backfield threat. Nifty. :)

[Av3ng3d Ryd3r]

Gracias senor. We will see how it matches up against your 3-2 lockdown defense.

[BAM BAM 125]

G: dave wilcox OLB
G: lemar parrish CB

S: Butler SS
S: Greg Lloyd OLB
S: Barney CB

B: R. Moore WR
B: c branch WR
B: E. Green TE
B: Bartkowski QB
B: b foster HB
B: o wilson OLB

[Bowdown]

OH! I almost forgot - before I go getting myself into trouble, I have a question.

I have 4 safeties and operate out of a 3-2. I like to walk those near safeties up to the box on certain blitzes and run defenses. Am I allowed to just go ahead and call that out of a 3-4 (or 3-3, depending), or do I have to call it out of a 3-2 and manually walk them up? It only happens a small handful of downs per game, so it doesn't bother me either way, but I know the whole "letter of the law" thing. It doesn't change the play my opponent is going to see, it just saves me time at the line. I can audible out of a 3-4 or 3-2 and formation shift to a 3-2, but I haven't be able to consistently make it go the other way around. Like I said - semantical difference. I'm not playing Browner and Tatum as OLB's all game long, but you know how those pre-snap adjustments get - I'd like to save that time. :)


League Rulesby: NFLHITMAN
Oct 9, 2008
Look for the highlighted parts for any new rules. This is just to everyone can refresh there memory on the rules.......

Here are the rules I have updated today....

League Rules updated 10-9-08

Game play:

1: Sportsmanship is a must not an option in my leagues. If your up big than run the ball and don't run the score up at all.

2: Replays are limited to 3 a half unless your opponent doesn't mind.

3: If you lose to some shady gameplay please take a day to reflect on it when your not so upset before you call someone out or send me a complaint. I will not consider your issue unless a day has passed.


Substitutions:

O-Line are interchangeable

D-Line are Interchangeable

LB are Interchangeable and LB's with a Pass Rush Attribute like Sack Master or Pass Rush can play DE in Nickle and Dime Packages.

CB, FS, & SS are all interchangeble and can play any secondary position.

RB's & FB's are interchangeable.....FB's can play at TE ala Chris Cooley.

TE's can only play at TE & WR

WR's can only play as a WR

There no 2 way players allowed at all so don't ask.


4th Down attempts:

1: 4th down and 1 or less can be attempted any where and at anytime during the game no matter the situation.

2: 4th down in between the 30 & 40 or your opponents side of the field is the gray area of the field where it is too short for a punt and too long for a FG attempt. In this situation you can go for it no matter how far the distance for a 1st down is.

3: 4th down no matter what the down and distance is when your down 21 points or more.

Blitzing:

1: 5-2 Middle LB Blitz is legal since it can be countered. Shotgun Formation, Flat to RB, Slant pass, Max Protect with RB's staying in to block, PA roll outs can counter this blitz well.

2: Secondary players blitzing can be done as much as you want as long as you are not manually controlling them at anytime during the blitz.

3: LB's can be used manually to blitz but can not move closer to line of scrimmage than they are already automatically set at.

Defensive Lineman:

1: You can use any D-Lineman but you can not use the DE to run a stunt and come in untouched at all. This is a known glitch in the game.

2: You can not move a D-Lineman manually at all whether your moving him off the line or back and into coverage before the snap of the ball.

3: D-Lineman special moves like Swim, Rip, Club, Bull Rush, and Spin are allowed and are encouraged for you to use since it is part of the game.

Motion Running:

1: You can use motion running as long as the guy you motion clears the end of the line whether it is the Tackle or TE.

2: You can not hike the ball unless your guy has cleared the end of the last person on your O-Line.

Bump Man 2 Man defense:

1: You can play this as much as you want.

2: To counter Bump man you are allowed to put your WR in motion and can snap the ball only when your WR is set 100% to get off the bump like a real NFL team would do. You do not have to wait for the CB to be set but you must allow the CB to at least get in front of the WR.

3: You can also motion your WR off the line of scrimmage to get him a free release off the line by him backing off of the LOS.

Screen passes:

1: You can not run one way and throw back the other way on a screen pass because the camera will be cut off to the point where you can not see the RB to manually cover him.

2: You are allowed 3 screen passes a half so use them wisely.

WR routes that are questionable to many players:

1: Out Routes, Hot Routed fade pattern, Middle post, Double move post should all be used in moderation. I will not ban these routes because there are ways to defend everyone of them even if you like it or not. If the out route and the hot route fade pattern is all your opponent has in his offensive arsenal than you should be able to defend it pretty easy. If you need help learning how to defend these plays or plays that work against them than let me know. Here are a few.

Defending the out route:

1: Shade your CB's to the out side in man 2 man.
2: Cover 2 Hard for short out routes with your CB's shaded to the outside.
3: Cover 2 soft for the deeper out routes with your CB's shaded to the outside.
4: Manually jumping the route and defending it.

Defending the hot route fade:

1: Man coverage on your strong side CB
2: Hot zone your Safety to a low zone.
3: Manually jumping the route and defending it.

Defending the Middle post:

1: Hot zone your safety to cover the middle of the field.
2: Hot zone your ILB to cover the deep middle.
3: Manually jumping the route and defending it.

Defending the Double Move route:

1: Cover 12
2: Manually jumping the route and defending it.

All of these issues are not as huge if you have a pass rush.

Banned plays or use of certain abilities:

1: Cadence

2: Bunny Hopping

3: Switching defenders in a Flickering kind of way as fast as you can to confuse blockers.

4: Kickoffs can not be kicked off to the side of the field to stop return man from getting to the ball at all. If you don't want him to return it than kick it out of bounds without it hitting the ground. You must kick it down the middle, or between the hashes. If your afraid of a Devin Hester than kick it out of bounds totally without any bounces.

5: Punting can not be punted short for the purpose of a muffed punt because you can not take control of your player to stop him from going for the punt.

6: No Quick Snapping allowed at all.

7: Signal Stealer attribute can not be used in league play at all. This attribute shows every assignment of every player and in real life you don't know what each player is doing. You would know what certain player would do from how they line up but not everything. Signal Stealer IMO is a APF 2K8 veteran of the game knowing what he see's and attacking it not a " B " Button.

League issues

1: You can not quit for any reason at all.

2: If there is an issue with game play contact an admin a day after your game has passed.

3: No negative feedback can be given at anytime.


I am not sure if I understood your 3-4 and safeties, but if you come out in a formation like 3-2 and then switch to 3-4 with your safeties now playing LB to me its just another way to cheat the system to get your safety to play LB.

[Numbski]

You've misread me. I'm not manually blitzing them. Well, not really anyway - let me lay this out...

Greyhound. Out of the 3-4 with Browner and Tatum lined up at OLB, or 3-2 with them out of the near safeties. I'm artificially placing them 4 yards further back by calling it out of a 3-2. I have no desire to manually blitz, only to have them at the OLB 3-4 spot on that down. The only thing being accomplished by forcing me into 3-2 and not allowing me to walk them into the box is basically nullifying that play.

Cover 2 Soft. No blitz, I walk them up into the OLB spot, now it's okay, but if I call a 3-4, which puts them there to begin with isn't. You're completely mis-reading my intent with the highlighted sections above. I'm simply trying to save time on a manual adjustment pre-snap. Nothing more, nothing less. I want Browner and Tatum up around the line of scrimmage on a small number of defensive downs, and it saves me time to call it out of 3-4 rather than call it out of 3-2, then select Browner, walk up - switch over to Tatum, walk up, switch back to the Linebacker I'm controlling.

[nflhitman]

You've misread me. I'm not manually blitzing them. Well, not really anyway - let me lay this out...

Greyhound. Out of the 3-4 with Browner and Tatum lined up at OLB, or 3-2 with them out of the near safeties. I'm artificially placing them 4 yards further back by calling it out of a 3-2. I have no desire to manually blitz, only to have them at the OLB 3-4 spot on that down. The only thing being accomplished by forcing me into 3-2 and not allowing me to walk them into the box is basically nullifying that play.

Cover 2 Soft. No blitz, I walk them up into the OLB spot, now it's okay, but if I call a 3-4, which puts them there to begin with isn't. You're completely mis-reading my intent with the highlighted sections above. I'm simply trying to save time on a manual adjustment pre-snap. Nothing more, nothing less. I want Browner and Tatum up around the line of scrimmage on a small number of defensive downs, and it saves me time to call it out of 3-4 rather than call it out of 3-2, then select Browner, walk up - switch over to Tatum, walk up, switch back to the Linebacker I'm controlling.

Your safeties will not be able to play LB in this league or any SIM league that I know. You can move only 1 player manually pre snap. YOU CAN NOT MOVE MULTIPLE PEOPLE. There are normal adjustments in the game that you can use.

[soonersam]

I am interested
Golds
FS Cliff Harris
DE Leeroy Selmon
Silvers
SS Leeroy Butler
OLB Greg Lloyd
K Jan Stenerud
Bronzes
TE Doug Crosbie -
QB Jim Harbaugh -
RB Freeman McNeil
RB Tony Nathan
ILB Brian Bosworth
CB Terry McDaniel

I can use Stenerud on punts, right?

[Av3ng3d Ryd3r]

Looks like we got a big league forming this season. and thanks for jacking my pattenned 2 back team build soonersame (lol).

[nflhitman]

Soonersam you can use Stenerud on punts also.

amid Dwight Clark has been voted out so I need a new WR for your team.

[nflhitman]

It's 6 votes to 3 votes with 3 votes outstanding + others who may join. What kind of election is this?

The kind of election that knows not many will join. I will wait for 12 votes and then call it than.

[amid]

np... all 12 will probably not vote and I know you need to get the teams validated and press on... Anthony Carter

[nyknicks33]

Some Changes..

Defense:

DT: Randy White
DT: Art Donovan
LB: Harry Carson
CB: Lester Hayes
CB: Roger Wherli
FS: Nolan Cromwell


Offense:

HB: Floyd Little
WR: Cliff Branch
WR: Wesley Walker
TE: Eric Green
QB: Mark Rypien

[Bowdown]

G: B. Bell OLB
G: W Brown CB

S: Butler SS
S: Greg Lloyd OLB
S: Barney CB

B: A. Harper WR change
B: R Sanders WR
B: E. Green TE
B: D. Meggett HB
B: E. Robinson FS
B: Bartkowski QB

[Fre@k of $atan7]

wow I've played 4 games with my created team for this league and the Defense has been amazing, but this offense is frustating. Just this last game I had 11 dropped passes our of a total of 35 total passes. I love when Karma hits

This last game I'm losing to this cheeser 14-6 with 2 minutes left, I get the ball and with my generic offense I'm finally able to move the ball and score a TD with 15 seconds left in the game. i go for the two and barely get it, but I do, so it's 14-14 with 15 seconds left. I do one of those Amid Kickoffs to the sideline hoping for it to bounce thru the end zone, he tries to field it after one hope, but it bounces off woodsen and back into the field of play at the one yard line. His guy recovers, but it's his ball at the 1 yard line with 12 seconds left. I 5-2 nano blitz that booty, and BAM...He steps out of the back of the endzone like Orvosky did against the Vikes. I win 16-14

My team
Defense
Wilcox
Woodsen
Barney
Browner
Speed Duncan
Terry McDanial
Brad van Pelt
William Perry
Dexter Manley

Offense
Dave Kreig (might trade him out for a QB with leadership)

Special Teams
Jeff Jaeger

[BigDawgMike]

Give me Ron Wolfley instead of McAfee.

[Bowdown]

wow I've played 4 games with my created team for this league and the Defense has been amazing, but this offense is frustating. Just this last game I had 11 dropped passes our of a total of 35 total passes. I love when Karma hits

This last game I'm losing to this cheeser 14-6 with 2 minutes left, I get the ball and with my generic offense I'm finally able to move the ball and score a TD with 15 seconds left in the game. i go for the two and barely get it, but I do, so it's 14-14 with 15 seconds left. I do one of those Amid Kickoffs to the sideline hoping for it to bounce thru the end zone, he tries to field it after one hope, but it bounces off woodsen and back into the field of play at the one yard line. His guy recovers, but it's his ball at the 1 yard line with 12 seconds left. I 5-2 nano blitz that booty, and BAM...He steps out of the back of the endzone like Orvosky did against the Vikes. I win 16-14

My team
Defense
Wilcox
Woodsen
Barney
Browner
Speed Duncan
Terry McDanial
Brad van Pelt
William Perry
Dexter Manley

Offense
Dave Kreig (might trade him out for a QB with leadership)

Special Teams
Jeff Jaeger


Now that would be an extreme league, zero legends on Offense!!!!!

Hitman, that would be something to consider. Maybe allow offensive lineman and the kicking game to be the only ones with legends.

I be there would be some generic players come out of there that no one uses.

[nflhitman]

How do you rate your offense between 1-10? Is that rating the same if you had no skilled position players in the Gold or Silver Tiers? It is easy to say you have a great offense when you have a Gold and Silver offense but a true APF 2K8 offensive guru would not need a Gold and Silver offense. Can you take a Bronze offense and still move the ball? Test your Offensive skills in this defensive league. In this league you will have to spend your Gold & Silver picks on defense. If you would like to join a league that makes you think when you play offense than post below that you want in and your team you will use. You can use any player in the game or off my CAP legend list to create your team set up. You can use a O-Lineman, Kicker & Punter in any tier but you still have to have 6 on defense. This is in an effort to get more use out of the least used positions in this game.

CAP list & League Rules.... http://online.2ksports.com/league/news?p=360&t=APF2K8&l=32555

League will be set up on Legend difficulty with some custom sliders for defense.

Human Blocking - 25
Human Passing - 25
Human Running - 25
Human Catching - 25
Human Coverage - 90
Human Pursuit - 90
Human Tackling - 90
Human Kicking - 25
Human Fatigue - 50

CPU Blocking - 50
CPU Passing - 50
CPU Running - 50
CPU Catching - 50
CPU Coverage - 90
CPU Pursuit - 90
CPU Tackling - 90
CPU Kicking - 75
CPU Fatigue - 50
Injury - 50
Fumble - 100
Interceptions 100

Banned Players & Attributes that can not be used:

Players:
Christian Okoye RB
Natrone Means RB
Pete Metzelarrs TE
Dwight Clark WR

Attributes:
Signal Stealer
Cadence

1. NFLHITMAN
2. amid/tjspeaks
3. Freakish Mind
4. Numbski
5. Leeroy Jenkyns
6. NY KIA
7. Bowdown
8. Numba1Killa5
9. BigDawkMike
10. BAM BAM 125
11. Pain Train X
12. iamsoonersam
13.
14.
15.
16.

Here is my team.

NFLHITMAN

G: Willie Brown CB
G: Rod Woodson CB/SS
S: Lem Barney CB
S: Dan Hampton ( The Beast!!! )
S: Ed " Too Tall " Jones DE
B: Brad Van Pelt OLB
B: Robert Brazile OLB
B: Bobby Hebert QB
B: Alvin Harper WR
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Rob Moore WR

amid/tjspeaks:

G: Dave Wilcox OLB
G: Willy Wood FS
S: D. Anderson SS
S: Greg Lloyd LB
S: Lem Barney CB
B: Anthony Carter WR
B: Rob Moore WR
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Dexter Manley DE
B: Al Del Greco K
B: Mark Rypien QB

Numbski:

G: Ronnie Lott FS
G: Jack Lambert ILB
S: Jack Tatum FS
S: Joey Browner SS
S: D;ck Anderson SS ( Signal Stealer is only banned if you manually use that attribute. )
B: Carl Banks OLB
B: Steve Wisniewski G
B: Clyde Simmons DE
B: Jim Harbaugh
B: Wesley Walker
B: Alvin Harper

NY KIA:

G: Art Donovan DT
G: Randy White DT
S: Lester Hayes CB
S: Roger Wehrli CB
S: Harry Carson ILB
B: Nolan Cromwell FS
B: Eric Green TE
B: Floyd Little RB
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Wesley Walker WR
B: Mark Rypien QB

Numba1Killa5

G: Jack Christansen FS
G: Andy Russell OLB
S: Cornell Green CB
S: Jerome Brown DT
S: Joey Browner SS
B: Neil O' Donnell QB
B: Lamar Lathon OLB
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Alvin Harper WR
B: Eric Green TE
B: Albert Lewis CB

Bowdown:

G: CB Brown
G: CB Lane
S: SS Browner
S: ILB Tuggle
S: OLB Lloyd
B: DE Manley
B: DT Perry
B: FS E. Robinson
B: P/K Guy
B: CB A. Lewis
B: OLB Van Pelt

BigDawgMike:

G: Rod Woodson CB
G: Night Train Lane CB
S: Dennis Smith SS
S: Jack Tatum FS
S: Greg Lloyd OLB
B: Robert Brazile OLB
B: Bernie Koser QB <--- You can not use the Signal Stealer attribute if you pick Kosar.
B: Ron Wolfey RB
B: Eric Green TE
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Ricky Sanders

BAM BAM 125:

G: dave wilcox OLB
G: lemar parrish CB
S: Butler SS
S: Greg Lloyd OLB
S: Barney CB
B: R. Moore WR
B: c branch WR
B: E. Green TE
B: Bartkowski QB
B: b foster HB
B: o wilson OLB

Freakish Mind:

GOLD
OLB Dave Wilcox
CB Rod Woodsen

SILVER
CB Lem Barney
SS Joey Browner
CB Speedy Duncan

BRONZE
CB Terry Mcdanial
OLB Brad Van Pelt
DE Dexter Manley
DT William Perry
K Jeff Jaeger
QB Dave Krieg

Pain Train X:

Gold:
Ronnie Lott FS
Ray Nichske LB
Silver:
Chuck Bednarik LB
Elvin Bethea DE
**** Anderson SS
Bronze:
Reggie (the beast) Cobb HB
Tony Nathan HB
John Brodie QB
Rocket Ismail WR
Ricky Sanders WR
Ken Norton JR LB

iamsoonersam

Golds
FS Cliff Harris
DE Leeroy Selmon
Silvers
SS Leeroy Butler
OLB Greg Lloyd
K Jan Stenerud
Bronzes
TE Doug Crosbie -
QB Jim Harbaugh -
RB Freeman McNeil
RB Tony Nathan
ILB Brian Bosworth
CB Terry McDaniel

League has been created and all team except Leeroy Jenkyns has been posted. Please join ASAP!

League Name: DDD III
Password: 123

[Numbski]

Yeah, this is going to be a pain, I can see that already. It's really hard to have a power running game without a bruiser back. :( I'm so trained into running straight ahead into defenders and hitting the shoulder charge that I'm getting my backs killed. None of the bronze backs that are allowed can handle it, and definitely none of the generic backs.

[Numbski]

I'm in now. Hey Bowdown - I figured out why I couldn't run on you at all earlier. This team was a conversion - it was originally my 2-way team. I forgot about that, so my offensive line was a generic DT, a generic OLB, and a generic Kicker. !!!

Makes a little difference. Fixed that up and it looks like I can actually run the ball a little bit now. What's perplexing is that I was getting all day to throw. Weirdness. Anyhoo - I'm in.

Numbski:

G: Ronnie Lott FS
G: Jack Lambert ILB
S: Jack Tatum FS
S: Joey Browner SS
S: D;ck Anderson SS ( Signal Stealer is only banned if you manually use that attribute. )
B: Carl Banks OLB
B: Steve Wisniewski G <- changed.
B: Clyde Simmons DE
B: Jim Harbaugh
B: Wesley Walker
B: Alvin Harper <- changed.

[Bowdown]

I'm in now. Hey Bowdown - I figured out why I couldn't run on you at all earlier. This team was a conversion - it was originally my 2-way team. I forgot about that, so my offensive line was a generic DT, a generic OLB, and a generic Kicker. !!!

Makes a little difference. Fixed that up and it looks like I can actually run the ball a little bit now. What's perplexing is that I was getting all day to throw. Weirdness. Anyhoo - I'm in.

Numbski:

G: Ronnie Lott FS
G: Jack Lambert ILB
S: Jack Tatum FS
S: Joey Browner SS
S: D;ck Anderson SS ( Signal Stealer is only banned if you manually use that attribute. )
B: Carl Banks OLB
B: Steve Wisniewski G <- changed.
B: Clyde Simmons DE
B: Jim Harbaugh
B: Wesley Walker
B: Alvin Harper <- changed.

Good to hear, I was afraid our game might of put you down and not join the league.

I am going to change my team all together, I will try to have fun running with a generic offense if thats okay hitman. Here is my team

G: CB Brown
G: CB Lane
S: SS Browner
S: ILB Tuggle
S: OLB Lloyd
B: DE Manley
B: DT Perry
B: FS E. Robinson
B: P/K Guy
B: CB A. Lewis
B: OLB Van Pelt

[Numbski]

Yeah...I'm trying really hard to not let this game get under my skin - especially if I know the other person is trying to play straight up.

OH! That reminds me - I figured out why when I form shift from 3-2 to 3-3 or 3-4, Browner would come over and boot me out of my linebacker spot to ILB, and make me play outside. The linebacker I'm controlling is an OLB. The CPU is trying to be smart and move my OLB to his native spot and put Browner at ILB. The reason it doesn't happen on the other side is that Jack Lambert is an ILB, so Jack Tatum just walks up into the box. D'oh! So if I want Browner to just walk up, both of my linebackers need to be ILB - then I can form shift 3-2 -> 3-3 -> 3-4 and back all day long if I want. That was driving me nuts!

If it's not too late when I get home, I need to see if I can swap Chuck Noll for Carl Banks. If so, then that solves my defensive alignment conundrum.

[Numbski]

I'm just sitting here pondering if I can make the same on-the-fly form shift if I leave one linebacker off the field, and shift Dime-> Nickel -> 4-3 -> 4-4 -> Bear. The position precedence is trickier to manage, but if you come out Dime, shift to 4-3, the near Safeties walk up into the box, and you stay whole. Shift 4-4 is where it gets tricky, because (I think?) you would want the deep Strong Safety to walk up into the box, along with the two near safeties, leaving you with 2 corners and a deep Free Safety. Wow this gets confusing. :P

Before anyone panics, I only do this once in a while, to instill some confusion. Despite the drubbing Bowdown gave me this morning, he at least saw what I was trying to do - I don't think anyone would take issue with it (I hope).

[nyknicks33]

very last change. I promise :)


Defense:

DT: Randy White
DT: Art Donovan
LB: John Offerdahl
CB: Lester Hayes
CB: Roger Wherli
FS: Nolan Cromwell


Offense:

HB: Floyd Little
WR: Mark Carrier
WR: Anthony Carter
G: Joe Delamielleure
QB: Neil O'Donnell

[amid]

2 edits: Buoniconti LB and Lewis CB

G: Dave Wilcox OLB
G: Willy Wood FS
S: D. Anderson SS
S: Nick Buoniconti LB
S: Lem Barney CB
B: Anthony Carter WR
B: Rob Moore WR
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Albert Lewis CB
B: Mark Rypien QB

[nflhitman]

How do you rate your offense between 1-10? Is that rating the same if you had no skilled position players in the Gold or Silver Tiers? It is easy to say you have a great offense when you have a Gold and Silver offense but a true APF 2K8 offensive guru would not need a Gold and Silver offense. Can you take a Bronze offense and still move the ball? Test your Offensive skills in this defensive league. In this league you will have to spend your Gold & Silver picks on defense. If you would like to join a league that makes you think when you play offense than post below that you want in and your team you will use. You can use any player in the game or off my CAP legend list to create your team set up. You can use a O-Lineman, Kicker & Punter in any tier but you still have to have 6 on defense. This is in an effort to get more use out of the least used positions in this game.

CAP list & League Rules.... http://online.2ksports.com/league/news?p=360&t=APF2K8&l=32555

League will be set up on Legend difficulty with some custom sliders for defense.

Human Blocking - 25
Human Passing - 25
Human Running - 25
Human Catching - 25
Human Coverage - 90
Human Pursuit - 90
Human Tackling - 90
Human Kicking - 25
Human Fatigue - 50

CPU Blocking - 50
CPU Passing - 50
CPU Running - 50
CPU Catching - 50
CPU Coverage - 90
CPU Pursuit - 90
CPU Tackling - 90
CPU Kicking - 75
CPU Fatigue - 50
Injury - 50
Fumble - 100
Interceptions 100

Banned Players & Attributes that can not be used:

Players:
Christian Okoye RB
Natrone Means RB
Pete Metzelarrs TE
Dwight Clark WR

Attributes:
Signal Stealer
Cadence

1. NFLHITMAN
2. amid/tjspeaks
3. Freakish Mind
4. Numbski
5. Leeroy Jenkyns
6. NY KIA
7. Bowdown
8. Numba1Killa5
9. BigDawkMike
10. BAM BAM 125
11. Pain Train X
12. iamsoonersam
13.
14.
15.
16.

Here is my team.

NFLHITMAN

G: Willie Brown CB
G: Rod Woodson CB/SS
S: Lem Barney CB
S: Dan Hampton ( The Beast!!! )
S: Ed " Too Tall " Jones DE
B: Brad Van Pelt OLB
B: Robert Brazile OLB
B: Bobby Hebert QB
B: Alvin Harper WR
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Rob Moore WR

amid/tjspeaks:

G: Dave Wilcox OLB
G: Willy Wood FS
S: D. Anderson SS
S: Nick Buoniconti LB
S: Lem Barney CB
B: Anthony Carter WR
B: Rob Moore WR
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Albert Lewis CB
B: Mark Rypien QB

Numbski:

G: Ronnie Lott FS
G: Jack Lambert ILB
S: Jack Tatum FS
S: Joey Browner SS
S: D;ck Anderson SS ( Signal Stealer is only banned if you manually use that attribute. )
B: Carl Banks OLB
B: Steve Wisniewski G
B: Clyde Simmons DE
B: Jim Harbaugh
B: Wesley Walker
B: Alvin Harper

NY KIA:

G: Art Donovan DT
G: Randy White DT
S: Lester Hayes CB
S: Roger Wehrli CB
S: Joe Delamielleure G
B: Nolan Cromwell FS
B: John Offerdahl ILB
B: Floyd Little RB
B: Mark Carrier WR
B: Anthony Carter WR
B: Neil O'Donnell QB

Numba1Killa5

G: Jack Christansen FS
G: Andy Russell OLB
S: Cornell Green CB
S: Jerome Brown DT
S: Joey Browner SS
B: Mark Rypien QB
B: Lamar Lathon OLB
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Alvin Harper WR
B: Mike Tice TE
B: Albert Lewis CB

Bowdown:

G: CB Brown
G: CB Lane
S: SS Browner
S: ILB Tuggle
S: OLB Lloyd
B: DE Manley
B: DT Perry
B: FS E. Robinson
B: P/K Guy
B: CB A. Lewis
B: OLB Van Pelt

BigDawgMike:

Rod Woodson
Night Train Lane

Jack Tatum
Dennis Smith
Greg Lloyd

Robert Brazile
Bernie Koser (not using signal stealer)
Troy Drayton
Napoleon Kaufman
Ricky Sanders
Cliff Branch

BAM BAM 125:

G: dave wilcox OLB
G: lemar parrish CB
S: Butler SS
S: Greg Lloyd OLB
S: Barney CB
B: R. Moore WR
B: c branch WR
B: E. Green TE
B: Bartkowski QB
B: b foster HB
B: o wilson OLB

Freakish Mind:

GOLD
ROD WOODSEN
DAVE WILCOX

SILVER
RUFUS PORTER
JOEY BROWNER
LEM BARNEY

BRONZE
TERRY MCDANIAL
JEFF JEAGER
DAVE KRIEG
ROB MOORE
CLIFF BRANCH
ALVIN HARPER

Pain Train X:

G:
Night Train Lane CB
Willie Brown CB
S:
Elvin Bethea DE
Nick Bunciontti LB
Jesse Tuggle LB
B:
REGGIE (THE BEAST) COBB HB
Tany Nathan HB
John Brodie QB
Eric Green TE
George McAfee SS - Return Specialist
Nick Volk SS- Quick Feet

iamsoonersam

Golds
FS Cliff Harris
DE Leeroy Selmon
Silvers
SS Leeroy Butler
OLB Greg Lloyd
K Jan Stenerud
Bronzes
TE Doug Crosbie -
QB Jim Harbaugh -
RB Freeman McNeil
RB Tony Nathan
ILB Brian Bosworth
CB Terry McDaniel

League has been created and all team except Leeroy Jenkyns has been posted. Please join ASAP!

League Name: DDD III
Password: 123

[Numbski]

Looks like we're waiting on 8 teams.

[Tell22]

well HITMAN, it looks like your Seahawks might beat the Niners next week....

Looks like we are firing Nolan so we wont wanna play for a lame duck coach

You better hope SingleTary doesnt take over before Sunday or the Hawks are gonna get blown

[nflhitman]

well HITMAN, it looks like your Seahawks might beat the Niners next week....

Looks like we are firing Nolan so we wont wanna play for a lame duck coach

You better hope SingleTary doesnt take over before Sunday or the Hawks are gonna get blown

The Seahawks season is over and IMO I think they should tank every game from here on out to get a good draft pick next year. Its like a whole different offense out there. They are afraid to throw the ball and there defense is pathetic.

[nyknicks33]

I really think mike singletary is going to be a good head coach someday, somewhere.

This season is basically lost though. You cant just go with an interim on the fly like you can with basketball, baseball or hockey. There are too many pieces to manage.

[nflhitman]

I really think mike singletary is going to be a good head coach someday, somewhere.

This season is basically lost though. You cant just go with an interim on the fly like you can with basketball, baseball or hockey. There are too many pieces to manage.

Rams are doing pretty good with an interim.

[nyknicks33]

LOL..im watching MNF. Belichick doesnt seem nearly as ingenious without a QB, does he.

[Bowdown]

Rams are doing pretty good with an interim.


But he has experience coaching while Singletary does not, but its official Mora has been fired and working a deal to make Singletary the head coach.

[Av3ng3d Ryd3r]

Yeah, this is going to be a pain, I can see that already. It's really hard to have a power running game without a bruiser back. :( I'm so trained into running straight ahead into defenders and hitting the shoulder charge that I'm getting my backs killed. None of the bronze backs that are allowed can handle it, and definitely none of the generic backs.

try reggie (THE BEAST) cobb, he is like a straight up balla fo sho.

[Av3ng3d Ryd3r]

I would like to change my team
G:
Night Train Lane CB
Willie Brown CB
S:
Elvin Bethea DE
Nick Bunciontti LB
Jesse Tuggle LB
B:
REGGIE (THE BEAST) COBB HB
Tany Nathan HB
John Brodie QB
Eric Green TE
George McAfee SS - Return Specialist
Nick Volk SS- Quick Feet

Bold are all changes. I will be able to join on friday if you guys can wait that long.

[Numbski]

Rams are doing pretty good with an interim.

I want to know what has gotten into the Rams offensive line. They almost seem competent. The Rams defense hasn't sucked - they would play awesome ball for 2 or 2 1/2 quarters, but they were just on the field too much. The offensive line has made or broken everything, and now that they're opening up a few holes for Jackson, it means play action is an option, which gives Bulger time to pick apart the defense, and make no mistake, when he's not getting the crap beat out of him, he *can* pick apart a defense.

I feel bad seeing the Seahawks go the way they are. I mean the fact that this is Holmgren's last season - I kinda wanted it to be the pinnacle of his body of work. Rivals they may be to the Rams, I hate watching anyone underperform. Hopefully Mora Jr. isn't left with too much of a mess. :\

With Nolan out (which, BTW - is a STUPID move), I really don't see the Niners getting better, but I said that about the Rams offensive line and firing Linehan. Who knows. Hell must be freezing over - the Cardinals might win the division.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

I can't do it with this all generic offense, I've played 5 games with them and I'm almost ready to throw the controller thru the TV. In 5 games I Have had a total of 43 dropped passes

So my new team build is

GOLD
ROD WOODSEN
DAVE WILCOX

SILVER
RUFUS PORTER
JOEY BROWNER
LEM BARNEY

BRONZE
TERRY MCDANIAL
JEFF JEAGER
DAVE KRIEG
ROB MOORE
CLIFF BRANCH
ALVIN HARPER

[BigDawgMike]

Updated Team

Rod Woodson
Night Train Lane

Jack Tatum
Dennis Smith
Greg Lloyd

Robert Brazile
Bernie Koser (not using signal stealer)
Troy Drayton
Napoleon Kaufman
Ricky Sanders
Cliff Branch

[ImBACKK,killah5]

Numba1Killa5

G: Jack Christansen FS
G: Andy Russell OLB
S: Cornell Green CB
S: Jerome Brown DT
S: Joey Browner SS
B: Mark Rypien QB
B: Lamar Lathon OLB
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Alvin Harper WR
B: Mike Tice TE
B: Albert Lewis CB

Is joey browner better than Anderson?

[nyknicks33]

Numba1Killa5


Is joey browner better than Anderson?


I think so. Anderson is usually invisible except for a couple of plays a game from my experience

[Numbski]

I can't do it with this all generic offense, I've played 5 games with them and I'm almost ready to throw the controller thru the TV. In 5 games I Have had a total of 43 dropped passes


Wimp. ;)

(Welcome to my world.)

[Bowdown]

I can't do it with this all generic offense, I've played 5 games with them and I'm almost ready to throw the controller thru the TV. In 5 games I Have had a total of 43 dropped passes

So my new team build is

GOLD
ROD WOODSEN
DAVE WILCOX

SILVER
RUFUS PORTER
JOEY BROWNER
LEM BARNEY

BRONZE
TERRY MCDANIAL
JEFF JEAGER
DAVE KRIEG
ROB MOORE
CLIFF BRANCH
ALVIN HARPER

Well you were running almost will all generic on offense, you had a legend QB. I used all my generic offensive players against numbski and won 20-0, I had a game last night against Intensid and we played a tough battle, granted numbski was using his DDD team while Intensid used his regular team. I lost the game late 10-6. But I had fun, dont give up on it! I dont want to be the only one with generic offense :eek:

[Numbski]

Well you were running almost will all generic on offense, you had a legend QB. I used all my generic offensive players against numbski and won 20-0, I had a game last night against Intensid and we played a tough battle, granted numbski was using his DDD team while Intensid used his regular team. I lost the game late 10-6. But I had fun, dont give up on it! I dont want to be the only one with generic offense :eek:

Yeah, lets not forget that my Tackles, and my Center - well, weren't who they purported to be. :) It's really, REALLY hard to play solid against an all-star defense without a running game. :P

[nflhitman]

How do you rate your offense between 1-10? Is that rating the same if you had no skilled position players in the Gold or Silver Tiers? It is easy to say you have a great offense when you have a Gold and Silver offense but a true APF 2K8 offensive guru would not need a Gold and Silver offense. Can you take a Bronze offense and still move the ball? Test your Offensive skills in this defensive league. In this league you will have to spend your Gold & Silver picks on defense. If you would like to join a league that makes you think when you play offense than post below that you want in and your team you will use. You can use any player in the game or off my CAP legend list to create your team set up. You can use a O-Lineman, Kicker & Punter in any tier but you still have to have 6 on defense. This is in an effort to get more use out of the least used positions in this game.

CAP list & League Rules.... http://online.2ksports.com/league/news?p=360&t=APF2K8&l=32555

League will be set up on Legend difficulty with some custom sliders for defense.

Human Blocking - 25
Human Passing - 25
Human Running - 25
Human Catching - 25
Human Coverage - 90
Human Pursuit - 90
Human Tackling - 90
Human Kicking - 25
Human Fatigue - 50

CPU Blocking - 50
CPU Passing - 50
CPU Running - 50
CPU Catching - 50
CPU Coverage - 90
CPU Pursuit - 90
CPU Tackling - 90
CPU Kicking - 75
CPU Fatigue - 50
Injury - 50
Fumble - 100
Interceptions 100

Banned Players & Attributes that can not be used:

Players:
Christian Okoye RB
Natrone Means RB
Pete Metzelarrs TE
Dwight Clark WR

Attributes:
Signal Stealer
Cadence

1. NFLHITMAN
2. amid/tjspeaks
3. Freakish Mind
4. Numbski
5. Leeroy Jenkyns
6. NY KIA
7. Bowdown
8. Numba1Killa5
9. BigDawkMike
10. BAM BAM 125
11. Pain Train X
12. iamsoonersam
13.
14.
15.
16.

Here is my team.

NFLHITMAN

G: Willie Brown CB
G: Rod Woodson CB/SS
S: Lem Barney CB
S: Dan Hampton ( The Beast!!! )
S: Ed " Too Tall " Jones DE
B: Brad Van Pelt OLB
B: Robert Brazile OLB
B: Bobby Hebert QB
B: Alvin Harper WR
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Rob Moore WR

amid/tjspeaks:

G: Dave Wilcox OLB
G: Willy Wood FS
S: D. Anderson SS
S: Nick Buoniconti LB
S: Lem Barney CB
B: Anthony Carter WR
B: Rob Moore WR
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Albert Lewis CB
B: Mark Rypien QB

Numbski:

G: Ronnie Lott FS
G: Jack Lambert ILB
S: Jack Tatum FS
S: Joey Browner SS
S: D;ck Anderson SS ( Signal Stealer is only banned if you manually use that attribute. )
B: Carl Banks OLB
B: Steve Wisniewski G
B: Clyde Simmons DE
B: Jim Harbaugh
B: Wesley Walker
B: Alvin Harper

NY KIA:

G: Art Donovan DT
G: Randy White DT
S: Lester Hayes CB
S: Roger Wehrli CB
S: Joe Delamielleure G
B: Nolan Cromwell FS
B: John Offerdahl ILB
B: Floyd Little RB
B: Mark Carrier WR
B: Anthony Carter WR
B: Neil O'Donnell QB

Numba1Killa5

G: Jack Christansen FS
G: Andy Russell OLB
S: Cornell Green CB
S: Jerome Brown DT
S: Joey Browner SS
B: Mark Rypien QB
B: Lamar Lathon OLB
B: Cliff Branch WR
B: Alvin Harper WR
B: Mike Tice TE
B: Albert Lewis CB

Bowdown:

G: CB Brown
G: CB Lane
S: SS Browner
S: ILB Tuggle
S: OLB Lloyd
B: DE Manley
B: DT Perry
B: FS E. Robinson
B: P/K Guy
B: CB A. Lewis
B: OLB Van Pelt

BigDawgMike:

Rod Woodson
Night Train Lane

Jack Tatum
Dennis Smith
Greg Lloyd

Robert Brazile
Bernie Koser (not using signal stealer)
Troy Drayton
Napoleon Kaufman
Ricky Sanders
Cliff Branch

BAM BAM 125:

G: dave wilcox OLB
G: lemar parrish CB
S: Butler SS
S: Greg Lloyd OLB
S: Barney CB
B: R. Moore WR
B: c branch WR
B: E. Green TE
B: Bartkowski QB
B: b foster HB
B: o wilson OLB

Freakish Mind:

GOLD
ROD WOODSEN
DAVE WILCOX

SILVER
RUFUS PORTER
JOEY BROWNER
LEM BARNEY

BRONZE
TERRY MCDANIAL
JEFF JEAGER
DAVE KRIEG
ROB MOORE
CLIFF BRANCH
ALVIN HARPER

Pain Train X:

G:
Night Train Lane CB
Willie Brown CB
S:
Elvin Bethea DE
Nick Bunciontti LB
Chuck Bednarik LB
B:
REGGIE (THE BEAST) COBB HB
Tany Nathan HB
John Brodie QB
Eric Green TE
Fred Marion FS -Return Specialist
Rick Volk SS- Quick Feet

iamsoonersam

Golds
FS Cliff Harris
DE Leeroy Selmon
Silvers
SS Leeroy Butler
OLB Greg Lloyd
K Jan Stenerud
Bronzes
TE Doug Crosbie
TE Mike Tice
QB Jim Harbaugh
RB Freeman McNeil
ILB Brian Bosworth
CB Terry McDaniel

League has been created and all team except Leeroy Jenkyns has been posted. Please join ASAP!

League Name: DDD III
Password: 123

I have others interested so the first 12 that join are in.

[Bowdown]

Yeah, lets not forget that my Tackles, and my Center - well, weren't who they purported to be. :) It's really, REALLY hard to play solid against an all-star defense without a running game. :P


Amen to that, if you cant run you might as well put ur controller down.

[soonersam]

Made a couple changes, I feel a little like Vegas with this team


Golds
FS Cliff Harris
DE Leeroy Selmon
Silvers
SS Leeroy Butler
OLB Greg Lloyd
K Jan Stenerud
Bronzes
TE Doug Crosbie
TE Mike Tice
QB Jim Harbaugh
RB Freeman McNeil
ILB Brian Bosworth
CB Terry McDaniel

[FLAxWLESS]

If you need an extra player let me know. I'll return with the same lineup from DDD2.

[nflhitman]

If you need an extra player let me know. I'll return with the same lineup from DDD2.

You can return. I posted that the 1st 12 in are in. Gives a little more reason to get it done.

[Numbski]

Amen to that, if you cant run you might as well put ur controller down.

As I recall, I did precisely that towards the end. I was just beside myself. Something like 10 dropped passes, and negative rushing yards!

[Av3ng3d Ryd3r]

Pain Train X:

G:
Night Train Lane CB
Willie Brown CB
S:
Elvin Bethea DE
Nick Bunciontti LB
Chuck Bednarik LB
B:
REGGIE (THE BEAST) COBB HB
Tany Nathan HB
John Brodie QB
Eric Green TE
Fred Marion FS -Return Specialist
Rick Volk SS- Quick Feet


I already joined with this team. The subs put nathan at KR btw.

[nflhitman]

Pain Train X:

G:
Night Train Lane CB
Willie Brown CB
S:
Elvin Bethea DE
Nick Bunciontti LB
Chuck Bednarik LB
B:
REGGIE (THE BEAST) COBB HB
Tany Nathan HB
John Brodie QB
Eric Green TE
Fred Marion FS -Return Specialist
Rick Volk SS- Quick Feet


I already joined with this team. The subs put nathan at KR btw.

Your team has been updated and Nathan as the KR is fine. You can put anybody you want at KR.

[ShadowMaster101]

I want to join, the other league has sorta slowed down... need more action to play

Gold - Ronnie Lott
Gold - Dave Wilcox

Silver - Greg Lloyd
Silver - Leroy Butler
Silver - Elvin Bethea

Bronze - Kenny Norten Jr.
Bronze - John Taylor
Bronze - Eric Green
Bronze - Dave Meggett
Bronze - Neil O'Donnell
Bronze - Tony Nathan

[Numbski]

I need some live fire scrimmage with these guys - going against the CPU doesn't cut it. Anyone up for scrimmage around 5pm central in legend?

[ShadowMaster101]

Gold - Ronnie Lott
Gold - Dave Wilcox

Silver - Greg Lloyd
Silver - Leroy Butler
Silver - Elvin Bethea

Bronze - Kenny Norten Jr.
Bronze - John Taylor
Bronze - Eric Green
Bronze - Dave Meggett
Bronze - Steve Grogan
Bronze - Tony Nathan

im changing QB

[nflhitman]

League was created and the Season is open for play!! Get your games in and have FUN!

[kilt7606]

Hey hitman i joined but i have a question, I have Paul Krause played for Vikings in 70's, #1 all time for interceptions w/ 81, can i use him or no.

[nflhitman]

Hey hitman i joined but i have a question, I have Paul Krause played for Vikings in 70's, #1 all time for interceptions w/ 81, can i use him or no.

He is listed in my CAP list as a Gold FS. You are only allowed to use players that are in the game or in my CAP list.

[kilt7606]

k thnx can you post a link to that cap list, plz thank you

[nflhitman]

http://online.2ksports.com/league/news?p=360&t=APF2K8&l=32555

Why do you need this since the teams are locked? You can not make any changes once the schedule was generated.

[kilt7606]

Just for future reference/ wanna play a scrim?
i gotta mic

[Numbski]

So - just for clarification, it's okay to sit on the defensive line and let the CPU do all the work on defense, but it's NOT okay to shift your linebackers around manually? Just checking. :( I just had it done to me, that's why I'm wondering. Seems kinda counter to the spirit of the game.

To be fair, he was milking the clock starting with 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter, I had burned through my timeouts stopping it, then I had to start jumping off sides on purpose to stop it, THEN in order to get the ball back I tried escorting him into the endzone (he refused), and went for it on 4th down. I knew the QB sneak was coming, and crowded around the QB to discourage it. Fumble, turnover, and he calls me out for manually shifting a linebacker. Meanwhile, I manually play defense all game, but he sits on teh defensive line either manually blitzing, or manually shifting DT's pre-snap.

(Sorry, I'm a bit annoyed - the 4th quarter changed from football to having to manipulate the way the game runs to have time on the clock left. Takes a bit of a frustration toll.)

[Big M]

Hitman, can you check your PMs? I need some Seahawk help.

[nflhitman]

Hitman, can you check your PMs? I need some Seahawk help.

I will give you a break down of what should be and where they should be.

Gold possibilities, Obviously you only get 2 so I would make the others Silver and Bronze.

Matt Hasselbeck QB ( Leadership Bonus, Laser Arm, Pocket Presence, Quick Feet, 4TH Q Comeback )
Walter Jones LT ( Stone Wall, Brick Wall, Bull Dozer, Quick Feet, Strength Bonus )
Julian Peterson OLB/DE ( Closing Speed, Pass Rush Bonus, Strength Bonus, Run Reader, Rip )
Patrick Kerney DE ( Quick Feet, Stamina Bonus, Club, Pass Rush Bonus, Run Coverage )
Lofa Tatupu ILB ( Leadership Bonus, Run Reader, Ball Hawk, Quick Feet, Big Hit )
Marcus Trufant CB ( Quick Feet, Closing Speed, Run Coverage, Ball Hawk, Coverage Bonus )

Silver:

Leroy Hill OLB ( Big Hit, Run Reader )
Deon Grant SS ( Ball Hawk, Leadership Bonus )
Rocky Bernard DT ( Quick Feet, Closing Speed, Pass Rush Bonus ) Pick 2
Bobby Engram WR ( Possession Receiver, Soft Hands )
Leonard Weaver FB ( Quick Feet, Soft Hands, Bull Dozer ) When he get the ball he knows what to do with it. This last Sunday shows what he can do when he single handedly won the game for the Seahawks with his Blocking, Running, and Receiving. He had to catches that went for TD's and both were over 50 yards. He finished with over 100 yards receiving.

Bronze:

Lawrence Jackson DE ( Pass Rush Bonus )
Darryl Tapp DE ( Quick Feet )
Nate Burleson WR ( Acrobatic Catches )
Deion Branch WR ( Soft Hands ) < -- hasn't played much so its hard to put him above Bronze
Koren Robinson WR ( Acrobatic Catches )
John Carlson TE ( Possession Receiver, Soft Hands, Tough in the Middle, Bull Dozer ) He could be argued to be a Silver since he leads the Seahawks in Receptions and it playing great. Pick 1
Craig Terrell DT ( Pass Rush Bonus )
Red Bryant DT ( Strength Bonus )
Seneca Wallace QB ( Rocket Arm, Speed Burner, Scrambler ) Pick 1
Will Heller TE ( Bull Dozer )
Brian Russell FS ( Big Hit )
Kelly Jennings CB ( Quick Feet )
Josh Wilson CB ( Coverage Bonus ) <-- Returned a Int 76 yards this past sunday.
Jordan Babineaux CB/SS ( Ball Hawk )
Mo Morris RB ( Soft Hands )
Julius Jones RB ( Quick Feet )
TJ Duckett RB ( Strength Bonus, Battering Ram )
Ray Willis RT ( Quick Feet )
Mike Wahle LG ( Bull Dozer )
Chris Spencer C ( Strength Bonus )
Floyyd Womack RG ( Bull Dozer )
Branden Mebane DT ( Run Coverage )

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80bf7473

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_i...tab_gamecenter

Anymore Questions let me know. I watch this team every Sunday and I will be going to the November 16th game against Arizona. I was also front row of the NFC Championship game in Seattle. I know the Seahawks.

[kilt7606]

Ok numbski, I was playing realistically trying to run the clock, and I called you out on moving your lb's manually in the 3rd quarter not the 4th.

[nyknicks33]

So - just for clarification, it's okay to sit on the defensive line and let the CPU do all the work on defense, but it's NOT okay to shift your linebackers around manually? Just checking. :( I just had it done to me, that's why I'm wondering. Seems kinda counter to the spirit of the game.

To be fair, he was milking the clock starting with 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter, I had burned through my timeouts stopping it, then I had to start jumping off sides on purpose to stop it, THEN in order to get the ball back I tried escorting him into the endzone (he refused), and went for it on 4th down. I knew the QB sneak was coming, and crowded around the QB to discourage it. Fumble, turnover, and he calls me out for manually shifting a linebacker. Meanwhile, I manually play defense all game, but he sits on teh defensive line either manually blitzing, or manually shifting DT's pre-snap.

(Sorry, I'm a bit annoyed - the 4th quarter changed from football to having to manipulate the way the game runs to have time on the clock left. Takes a bit of a frustration toll.)



Someone can manually sit on their D-end all they want..just run at them until they take the hint...and if they dont, well, it should be easy movement down the field for you.

If he is manually reposition DL's then that is a no-no for obvious reason and should rightly be called out for it.


What the heck are you doing buring TO's with over 4 mins left?

[Numbski]

Trying to stop the clock. He played on his DT's for almost the entirety of the game, shifting them pre-snap, placing one DT almost on top of the other. :\

^^ I was trying not to name names, because I wanted an answer, not to point fingers. The situation you described WAS 4th quarter, because it was in the last two minutes of the game. You made no mention of it until you tried to QB sneak in and I stuffed you.

[nyknicks33]

ah ha, that makes a little more sense then. Yeah, that falls into the category of horse cack in my opinion.

[nflhitman]

Ok numbski, I was playing realistically trying to run the clock, and I called you out on moving your lb's manually in the 3rd quarter not the 4th.

Just to be fair. I know you are new and even though it is looked down on you can manually play as your DE or DT all game long but...... You can not move them at all before the snap and you can not do the twist glitch where you can manually come in un touched every time.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

So - just for clarification, it's okay to sit on the defensive line and let the CPU do all the work on defense, but it's NOT okay to shift your linebackers around manually? Just checking. :( I just had it done to me, that's why I'm wondering. Seems kinda counter to the spirit of the game.

To be fair, he was milking the clock starting with 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter, I had burned through my timeouts stopping it, then I had to start jumping off sides on purpose to stop it, THEN in order to get the ball back I tried escorting him into the endzone (he refused), and went for it on 4th down. I knew the QB sneak was coming, and crowded around the QB to discourage it. Fumble, turnover, and he calls me out for manually shifting a linebacker. Meanwhile, I manually play defense all game, but he sits on teh defensive line either manually blitzing, or manually shifting DT's pre-snap.

(Sorry, I'm a bit annoyed - the 4th quarter changed from football to having to manipulate the way the game runs to have time on the clock left. Takes a bit of a frustration toll.)


Sorry Numbski, Milking the clock with 4 minutes left...Please brother.....That's called strategy. I'm guessing you blew your timeouts on the 1st 3 plays of the second half, or you blew them before the 4th qtr even happened because for some odd reason, you think that using your timeouts at very stupid times will stop momentum.

Jumping offside on purpose - Really really dumb

Complaining because you were trying to let him score and he didn't take it....even dumber then jumping offside to stop the clock.

[nflhitman]

This league has been open for play for over a week and 1 game has been played. I have deleted the league and won't revisit this idea until we get committed people to play in it.

[Bowdown]

I was looking for this weekend to get in games, but my opinion we should of waited until Season II was almost over before starting season III.

Ditto with Dynasty, let get the playoffs rolling first

[nflhitman]

I was looking for this weekend to get in games, but my opinion we should of waited until Season II was almost over before starting season III.

Ditto with Dynasty, let get the playoffs rolling first

DL9 playoffs will start friday with DL 10 Saturday.

[Numbski]

Sorry Numbski, Milking the clock with 4 minutes left...Please brother.....That's called strategy. I'm guessing you blew your timeouts on the 1st 3 plays of the second half, or you blew them before the 4th qtr even happened because for some odd reason, you think that using your timeouts at very stupid times will stop momentum.

Jumping offside on purpose - Really really dumb

Complaining because you were trying to let him score and he didn't take it....even dumber then jumping offside to stop the clock.

You misunderstand a few points. I'm not asking you to agree with my use of timeouts. Taking the full 45 seconds per play with 4 minutes left in the game is more than a little annoying, but hey - okay call that allowable. That means then that what I did to try to stop it is allowable, although odd.

I didn't complain that he refused to waltz into the end zone. I pointed out the fact that he did it, because it brought up 4th and inches, and he chose to go for it, and failed. Upon failing, then he complained that I had manually moved a linebacker. That last part was the complaint, as me manually moving a linebacker is somehow questionable versus shifting a defensive tackle pre-snap. It's not like I was trying to get a blitz in or anything like that - I simply saw a QB sneak coming and stuffed it.

If milking the clock that early in the 4th is allowed, and everyone is okay with that, so be it - but that doesn't matter now since the league's been deleted. :(

Just remember this - I *did* try not to mention names so I was clear on this. Not trying to flame the guy, just wanted to make sure I understood.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

This league has been open for play for over a week and 1 game has been played. I have deleted the league and won't revisit this idea until we get committed people to play in it.

Bull Hitman, You opened the league 4 days ago....You open the league in the middle of the week and then on a Friday you shut it down. you could have atleast seen how the weekend played out.

[nflhitman]

Bull Hitman, You opened the league 4 days ago....You open the league in the middle of the week and then on a Friday you shut it down. you could have atleast seen how the weekend played out.

No if you go back some pages on here in this thread I posted it was open for play. After nobody was playing there games I sent personal messages on XBOX live 4 days ago notifying everyone that they were free to play there games. I only sent the XBOX Live message because no one paid attention to my post on here that the season was open.

[nflhitman]

Bull Hitman, You opened the league 4 days ago....You open the league in the middle of the week and then on a Friday you shut it down. you could have atleast seen how the weekend played out.

On my post it shows 4 days ago for some reason but that is not correct. I sent out the XBOX live messages after a few days of no activity. It is not like you guy had any games in and wasted your time in the 1st place. There was only 1 game played total. Not to mention how long it took for the league to fill. It took so long to fill somebody I didn't even have posted signed up and I went with that team not even knowing what there team make up was like. In fact it was Numbski and Kilt who played the only game since it opened. Lets look at the facts....

1. There were over 12 players interested in joining the league yet it never filled up with 12 players so I could generate the schedule.

2. Somebody who was not approved by there post got the password and joined and I went with that hoping he had the correct team build and was a SIM player.

3. 1 game was played since I announced on here and over XBOX Live that games can be played.

4. If there was a lack of commitment to join and play since the announcement of this league then the interest is not enough to garner putting my efforts in to a league that has no interest.

5. Freakish Mind you could always create a DDD league and I would happily join it.

[Fre@k of $atan7]

no thank you, running leagues ain't my thang....But it was only 4 days since the schedule was generated because I kept going into the league thing last week and monday and it kept saying, waiting for schedule to generate. I just think you should have given it a little more time to get going. as for the last person joining up. he posted on here that he was not able to join up until Friday.

[kilt7606]

Hitman i don't think that you can talk bad about my play until you play me, half the crap Numbski is saying is total bull.

[kilt7606]

o and it was 3-0 (numbski) until the 4th quarter.

[nflhitman]

Hitman i don't think that you can talk bad about my play until you play me, half the crap Numbski is saying is total bull.

Kilt I don't think I said anything negative about you. I just said that someone who I didn't know and hoped for the best. I don't listen to Numbski on peoples game play anyway. thats why he had the half Devil and Half Angel avatar. In the forums he is the angel but in a game of APF he is the DEVIL!!! ;)

[Jive_Turkey]

is to to late for a noob to join?