2k9 should be 2k7

[WickIsGod]

In playing 2k7 there were some issues but not enough to have every person show up to the 2k forums complaining about a wide range of things. With that said I'd like to point out some of my personal ideas.

2k7 game play: The biggest problem with the game play on 2k7 was for the most part was:
1) Too many homers.
2) Not enough variety in the hits. (Most were gappers or homers)
3) The runner trying to take home on a passed ball automatically
4) Any slider pitched over or near the plate was a sure homer on contact (unless pitched out of the strike zone low)

(Please add if you can, but as far as game play the rest didn't change the out come of a game)

This means the graphics were fine, could have been tweaked but still better than 2k8. Now I'll move on to the servers (on-line play)

2k7 had very few moments were lag was an issue, When you are in the LOBBY (key word here) you could see everyone's ping and record and decide for your self if that was a good ranked match up for you or not. With 2k8, you can't. But it would have not mattered any how as the 2k8 server lagged so bad that in order to be on time with a pitch you had to start your swing before the pitch was even thrown.

Plus, there didn't seem to be a big difference between throwing a change up and a fast ball on-line. If you swing at the same time you would more than likely hit either one of those pitches.

When I say lag I'm also thinking/including the frame rate issues with pop ups and so on.

The pitching system for 2k8 was sweet and still could be if we don't have to use the same servers that 2k8 played on. Please go back to SCSI 10,000 rpm hard drives and stop using SATA 7,200 rpm hard drives. It does make the difference.

There's more I can add to this but I just wanted 2K to understand that they were a lot closer to the perfect baseball game with 2k7 compared to 2k8. I wishful that very few things from 2k8 and a lot of things from 2k7 go into 2k9.

Just think:
2k7 graphics +
2k7 use of the swingstick + (2k8's swing stick didn't work as stated in the manual)
2k7 off and on line menus +
2k8 pitching system +
2k8 removal of classic swing in ranked games +
2k8 trading cards =

What should be 2k9 and if done right damn near the perfect baseball game.

Oh + update rosters more than 3 times in a baseball year wouldn't hurt none either. Many more like EVERY MONTH. Yea, every month would be just fine.

Thx for the read.

WickIsGod
aka Game Dun
aka SAINT Wick

[Draven]

I agree and disagree in different points, I thought there was alot of changes from 2k7 to 2k8 that I liked and some I didn't.

Maybe they can bring in the good things that we're in 2k7 into 2k9.

[wookie2815]

Negative on most aco****s. The lighting and the player models in 2k7 were awesome. The FPS was terrible on both games. COD4 made 60 fps so can a baseball game. 2k8 had a lot of detail that was good, like stadium bacground noises and jumbo trons that were interactive and player gear was aweosme. But the player faces in both games were terrible. There is no texture in either games when it comes to simple things like hair and jerseys and the grass/dirt in 2k7 was great and in 2k8 was crud. Commentary is so boo in both games. SO with that I think that while there is some light in bith games, 2k hopefully did an overhaul in a lot of areas. It would help if a lead designer came in and..oh say...actually interact with the community.

[jeffy777]

I loved 2K7, and I thought 2K8 was an improvement in some areas, such as the improved Swing Stick 2.0 (in 2K7 you didn't have as much directional control), right stick fielding controls, and the new pitching controls.

However, 2K7 was much MUCH smoother online, almost no lag most of the time. And it had better lighting effects and smoother transistions in the presentation.

[KOOL2K7]

mlb 2k7 was the best baseball game out..it was so smoothe to throw the ball and fluid..

[sleepytercel]

2K7 was entirely flawed. The ball to bat contact was extremely random and based on random calculations and not really that o the pitch and swing timing. That was fixed in 2K8 where the quality of the pitch and the timing of the swing generated the actual outcome of the hit. It is more rewarding and also much more logical. Throws from fielders, once again, were completely based on random calculations. In 2K8, the user controlled the quality of the throws from the fielders. 2K8 actually provided, what I believe, the most user outcome baseball game released, while most other baseball games just rely on random calculations. However, 2K8 messed severely in its graphics and went really sloppy in the presentation.

I think lag was much more noticeable in 2K8 due to the severe timing mechanics that 2K7 did not have. Most people in 2K7 used button hitting, but the Swing Stick was lagged a bit in that game as well. The pitching mechanic didn't rely nearly on timing as much as 2K8's did.

[jeffy777]

Most people in 2K7 used button hitting, but the Swing Stick was lagged a bit in that game as well.

Yeah, maybe a bit, but not nearly as bad as it did in 2K8. I used the Swing Stick exclusively in 2K7 and never complained about lag until 2K8, and it was the hitting lag that bothered me much more than the pitching lag.

[WickIsGod]

2K7 was entirely flawed. The ball to bat contact was extremely random and based on random calculations and not really that o the pitch and swing timing. That was fixed in 2K8 where the quality of the pitch and the timing of the swing generated the actual outcome of the hit. It is more rewarding and also much more logical. Throws from fielders, once again, were completely based on random calculations. In 2K8, the user controlled the quality of the throws from the fielders. 2K8 actually provided, what I believe, the most user outcome baseball game released, while most other baseball games just rely on random calculations. However, 2K8 messed severely in its graphics and went really sloppy in the presentation.

I think lag was much more noticeable in 2K8 due to the severe timing mechanics that 2K7 did not have. Most people in 2K7 used button hitting, but the Swing Stick was lagged a bit in that game as well. The pitching mechanic didn't rely nearly on timing as much as 2K8's did.


I have no idea what your talking about.

You played 90% of 2k7 off-line.

Random calculations? I have no clue what your talking about.

:rotfl:

[Draven]

mlb 2k7 was the best baseball game out..it was so smoothe to throw the ball and fluid..All games and series of games these days are being more and more advanced, get used to it. :)

I loved 2K7, and I thought 2K8 was an improvement in some areas, such as the improved Swing Stick 2.0 (in 2K7 you didn't have as much directional control), right stick fielding controls, and the new pitching controls.

However, 2K7 was much MUCH smoother online, almost no lag most of the time. And it had better lighting effects and smoother transistions in the presentation.Yes, there was alot of great things in 2k7, the online-play was one thing that I loved over 2k8 by far.

[DRUNKnWEARY]

the pitching that EA used on MVP NCAA baseball 06-07 would be nicely added to 2k9

[chad0034]

i just want them to improve graphics, gameplay, and update those damn stadiums/player pics
heres some more though:
new announcers or updated commentary
1 big new game mode
updated sliders (make it so we can carry more than one set. i hate testing out sliders, only having them to not work, and have to guess on my old ones)
better game atmosphere
lag online (i dont even play online anymore because of the lag. i'll stick to franchise mode)
update franchise mode someway. (just mix it up so we dont get bored. if you cant do online, this will be all we're playing, so make it fun)

anymore people? i know theres some.

[kcxiv]

2K7 looked really good, but like sleepy said was flawed big time. In 2K8 they fixed it. Now they just need to combine the 2 and have the Stadium upgraded a bit.

Hopefully 2K9 is alot better.

[baandje]

2K7 looked really good, but like sleepy said was flawed big time. In 2K8 they fixed it.
Well, not "fixed". They "improved" the hitting in 2K8. To fix it, they need to bring back zone hitting, instead of only offering that braindead timing-only garbage.

[WickIsGod]

Wow, a mere 37 posts and you make a complete fool of yourself. FYI, even though you can't understand these things apparently: he's talking about ball-to-bat contact and ball physics and swing mechanics, and how accurately they're programmed and portrayed in 2K8 versus 2K7. And he's entirely correct.


Don't worry about how many post I have.

I ONLY play on-line. None of that crap matters on-line at this point because ON-LINE DOES NOT WORK.

Stop and play 2k7 on-line, then go back and play 2k8 on-line. Nuff said.

Off-line is only good for noobs that are too scared to mix it up with the best players on the game.

So enjoy, Fool.

[baandje]

Just think:
2k7 graphics +
2k7 use of the swingstick + (2k8's swing stick didn't work as stated in the manual)
2k7 off and on line menus +
2k8 pitching system +
I went back and reread your first post. You bring up some good points. Guess my initial response was too harsh, sorry for getting on your case.

[chad0034]

2K9 should be 2K7? Do you really wish they'd move everything back 2 years?

[baandje]

2K9 should be 2K7? Do you really wish they'd move everything back 2 years?
2K7 was better than 2K8 in some areas don't forget. If anything, 2K8 was 2 steps backwards and one step forwards for the series. Just not in the area of hitting. 2K8 has 2K7 beat in that department. The hitting in 2K7 was arcade rubbish -- a HR fest; Triple Play Baseball; etc.

[chad0034]

I dk why everyone doesn't like MLB 2K8.. it was alright.. not horrible, and not anything great either. I think it was right in the middle. If we see updated gameplay (better graphics, smoother gameplay) updated stadiums/player pics, updated franchise, and one big mode this game could really get off the ground. Having multiple sliders would really help also, with the lack of reality in the default sliders. Itd be nice to have more than one VIP profile, and be able to play any game in franchise mode that you like. Not just your team. We pay 60 for this game, so just listen to the community and it should be fine. Saying that is easy, but doing it is another thing.

[baandje]

I dk why everyone doesn't like MLB 2K8.. it was alright..
Well for one thing, anyone who bought it for the PS3 got screwed. They never got a patch to correct the framerate issues. The hitting in 2K8 -- minus the timing-only swinging -- was the most challenging in any baseball game, ever. So it's not a matter of not liking it. It was just a very inconsistant effort and had some major problems as well.

[bigfnjoe96]

2K7 was a beautiful game to watch when played, but the game play was flawed. 2K8 was the Ugly Duckling, but had better game play than 2k7.

The reality is this game needs a TOTALLY NEW OVER-HAUL 3 years into NEXT-GEN this game is no where near where it should be..

[chad0034]

yea im hoping they improve the graphics to the Shows standards.. i remember back when 2K ruled the Show over graphics.. not anymore.

[SoxFan01605]

Don't worry about how many post I have.

I ONLY play on-line. None of that crap matters on-line at this point because ON-LINE DOES NOT WORK.

Stop and play 2k7 on-line, then go back and play 2k8 on-line. Nuff said.

Off-line is only good for noobs that are too scared to mix it up with the best players on the game.

So enjoy, Fool.

Off-line play is for noobs? What are you, six? I play it both ways, so I guess I'm a part-time noob? Geesh. Anyway, here's a bit of fact for you...IT'S THE SAME GAME. I agree the online needs to function properly, that's a given. The problem is, if you get online to function properly and have a disfunctional game, you've still got nothing. The improvements listed DO matter, they just aren't enough. The point is, it should function for both groups of players. As currently constituted it doesn't really get the job done.

I do think, however, the very fact that we're asking for basic functionality suggests just how inconsistent this franchise is. 2K7 is viewed as better by some because it was a huge improvement over 2K6. 2K8 touched up areas, but didn't make enough improvements to cancel out it's regression in some areas. 2K9 is a big fat question mark, IMO. The only thing it has going for it right now is VC being attached to it. We'll see how it plays out.

[BIGZFOOT]

Well for one thing, anyone who bought it for the PS3 got screwed. They never got a patch to correct the framerate issues. The hitting in 2K8 -- minus the timing-only swinging -- was the most challenging in any baseball game, ever. So it's not a matter of not liking it. It was just a very inconsistant effort and had some major problems as well.

That is why the Xbox 360 is far superior... Because the companies actually care about patching games on the 360 version

[WickIsGod]

Off-line play is for noobs? What are you, six? I play it both ways, so I guess I'm a part-time noob? Geesh. Anyway, here's a bit of fact for you...IT'S THE SAME GAME. I agree the online needs to function properly, that's a given. The problem is, if you get online to function properly and have a disfunctional game, you've still got nothing. The improvements listed DO matter, they just aren't enough. The point is, it should function for both groups of players. As currently constituted it doesn't really get the job done.

I do think, however, the very fact that we're asking for basic functionality suggests just how inconsistent this franchise is. 2K7 is viewed as better by some because it was a huge improvement over 2K6. 2K8 touched up areas, but didn't make enough improvements to cancel out it's regression in some areas. 2K9 is a big fat question mark, IMO. The only thing it has going for it right now is VC being attached to it. We'll see how it plays out.


Dude please, please go back and read why I posted that and don't come in here like some kind of reporter taking statements out of contexts to make a story that has nothing to do with the topic. And BTW I'm 7.

[WickIsGod]

I went back and reread your first post. You bring up some good points. Guess my initial response was too harsh, sorry for getting on your case.


It's cool.


As for the rest of you guys/girls that read this, we need to pick these games apart and come to some kind of agreement about the best of two games. And present it to 2k as the baseball game we would like to play on and off line.

Again, I'm an on-line only player. My point of views or comments of the 2k baseball games are ALL based from ON-LINE experiance of my own. Thats what is posted in the very first post.

I ask for you guys to add your input. :thumbsup: