Who's the better point guard, J-Kidd or the Glove?

[stead21]

Now really think about this question before you answer it. I'm going to say G.P., just because he can score when he wants, and plays stellar D. I think that G.P. has been more consistent throughout his whole career too!

MsteadR

[MIKE BIZZLE]

I'd say Payton, since he has great D and his scoring is more consistant.

And Kobe's butthole is doomed.

[stead21]

I'd say Payton, since he has great D and his scoring is more consistant.

And Kobe's butthole is doomed.

LOL

[ukbballrulez33]

as much as i hate to say it...J kidd because he makes things happen when they need to happen aka a playmaker and hes the best in the league at doing that

[stead21]

as much as i hate to say it...J kidd because he makes things happen when they need to happen aka a playmaker and hes the best in the league at doing that

Do you like NBA Live?

[Blackwiz]

J.Kidd is a better point guard, but Gary Payton is a better player


ps, kobe didn't **** the girl

[ludacris06]

MAN WTF! I come here ready to talk about Gary and Kidd and the first thing I see when the page load up is did Kobe **** that girl? :|

[jcboy]

J.Kidd is a better point guard, but Gary Payton is a better player


i agree with this guy..

[ANGELFUNK & TMAC]

sorry but has payton taken a team to the finals....

If you recall he had SHAWN KEMP in his peak form....when they got there
and hersey hawkins and Detlef Shrimpf....

Jkidd has taken the nets there 2 straight years with the help of a Rookie and a second year player....

come to think of it it could be a GP v Jkidd lakers Nets battle for the title...

but i dont think so

jkidd by a mile....

[Brankles]

Yeah Kidd seems to make the players around him better... what a true point guard does...

Payton is an above average point guard and a mediocre shooting guard... dishing out assists, but also a shooting option.

However... Kidd's greatness as a passing PG stands out much more than as GP's greatness as a combo guard.

Vote=Kidd


Hehe and I see who the 3rd person was who voted yes in the poll ^^^(coughANGELcough)

I agree with you on that one too...




Holla

[ANGELFUNK & TMAC]

me hatin on Kobe Branks....NEVER

I got all the LOVE in the world...........................................fo r that innocent girl....just like KB8...but I will make sure she wants it first....

just playin bandwagon boys....

looks like its you and me against the world branks....

[Ray_Allen_34]

I would have to say neither. I'd go with Steph Marbury over those to. Even though you didn't include Steph, he's still my choice because people it's taken people this long to realize how good Jason is and he's been doin the same thing since he was in Dallas and Phoenix. He hasn't changed his game at all, he's just gotten older and now people wanna recognize him like it's an all of a sudden rise to stardom. I've lost all respect for Gary Payton just because he signed for LA in hopes of a ring. That move just takes away all the integrity from a great career in my opinion.

[stead21]

I would have to say neither. I'd go with Steph Marbury over those to. Even though you didn't include Steph, he's still my choice because people it's taken people this long to realize how good Jason is and he's been doin the same thing since he was in Dallas and Phoenix. He hasn't changed his game at all, he's just gotten older and now people wanna recognize him like it's an all of a sudden rise to stardom. I've lost all respect for Gary Payton just because he signed for LA in hopes of a ring. That move just takes away all the integrity from a great career in my opinion.

Steph don't play that D like Payton, and nobody has the all around game better than Kidd. Kidd can just pass, but his shot is broke and so is his free throw shooting.

MsteadR

[ANGELFUNK & TMAC]

Jkidd has gotten better every year offensively and also on the boards.....it has taken kidd a while to be able to play his game.....

Now the nets let kidd do as he does...they win the EAST...even when they had Keith Van Horn...they still whooooped the east....

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[Ray_Allen_34]

I would have to say neither. I'd go with Steph Marbury over those to. Even though you didn't include Steph, he's still my choice because people it's taken people this long to realize how good Jason is and he's been doin the same thing since he was in Dallas and Phoenix. He hasn't changed his game at all, he's just gotten older and now people wanna recognize him like it's an all of a sudden rise to stardom. I've lost all respect for Gary Payton just because he signed for LA in hopes of a ring. That move just takes away all the integrity from a great career in my opinion.

Steph don't play that D like Payton, and nobody has the all around game better than Kidd. Kidd can just pass, but his shot is broke and so is his free throw shooting.

Steph doesn't have to play D like GP because there aren't many points out there that can break him down.

I wouldn't say that Kidd's rebounding has gotten better every year because he has always averaged around 6 or 7 a game. He's Mr. Triple Double year in and year out. He had more freedom down in Phoenix but he just didn't have the supporting cast like he does in NJ. Don't get me wrong it's nice to see people starting to recognize his skills, I just think it's funny that some people are surprised he's that good.

[longuis20]

Iwould say GP is a better point guard i mean look what he has done all these years, depefensive player of the yer, has meke the all starts game , and well he didn't won a nba championship because a guy names MJ when was on the finals. Personally for me i liked the joined the Lakers he got problems there in seaatle and also in milwaukke, and i diddn't lost respect from him just beacuse he signed for another team, then you should also say you lost respect with MJ,t-mac, grant hill,malone,pippen, lot of players change of team and just because that i wont hate em.

[ZekesTheBest]

I have to chime in on this one, to call steph better then GP or Kidd at this point in his career is just crazy. Maubury doesnt play the defense of payton and doesnt rebound like kidd. Not to mention he hasnt won a single thing. Both of those guys have gotten their teams to the finals. I give more props to Payton cause hes done it in the tougher West his whole career. This year as we saw kidd wanted no part of going back over there. As far as stephs D you say he hasnt had to play D but i remember tony parker killing him in the second half of that playoff series to put him out. Maubury just figured out he has to use his team so he may have more talent and one day be better but he has to win something first. And i commend payton for going to LA taking a huge paycut and a less role to win. People always talk about they only play for the money, well he proved for him it was all about winning, hes payed his dues and he can go where ever he wants.... Better than emmit going to the cardinals

[Blackwiz]

Iwould say GP is a better point guard i mean look what he has done all these years, depefensive player of the yer, has meke the all starts game , and well he didn't won a nba championship because a guy names MJ when was on the finals. Personally for me i liked the joined the Lakers he got problems there in seaatle and also in milwaukke, and i diddn't lost respect from him just beacuse he signed for another team, then you should also say you lost respect with MJ,t-mac, grant hill,malone,pippen, lot of players change of team and just because that i wont hate em.


u mentioned that he was defensive player of the year, but that isn't the main part of a point guard, Kidd took his team to the finals twice in a row, and his team isn't all that good. If i recall, RJ was a lil scared to shoot, and Kenyon Martin only played on the defensive side. Then after a while, J.Kidd helped his team play better, and now u see Kenyon Martin scoring 20 and 30 points sometimes and Richard Jefferson STEPPED UP BIGTIME! Gary Payton is better defensively and yea he led the sonics to the finals, but he doesn't have the same affect as J. Kidd does on his team mates. That's my opinion.


and to top it off, J. Kidd is not only a better point guard, but he doesn't feel the need to score, even though he can pop a shot. Gary Payton sometimes feels the need to try and take 3 shots in a row. I was told that if a point guard has to score, then something is not right, but in GP's case, he starts scoring when things are just getting started. It's prolly hard to understand wat im sayin, but in my opinion, j. kidd is a better point guard.

[Blackwiz]

oh, and i forgot to mention, even though i like starbury, wat i just explained, he doesn't really fit in that. He's a good point, but not the best

[Ray_Allen_34]

Iwould say GP is a better point guard i mean look what he has done all these years, depefensive player of the yer, has meke the all starts game , and well he didn't won a nba championship because a guy names MJ when was on the finals. Personally for me i liked the joined the Lakers he got problems there in seaatle and also in milwaukke, and i diddn't lost respect from him just beacuse he signed for another team, then you should also say you lost respect with MJ,t-mac, grant hill,malone,pippen, lot of players change of team and just because that i wont hate em.

First of all WTF are you talking about. MJ, Tracy, Grant, & Pippen didn't go to other teams for the sake of winning a championship. MJ has 6 titles, Tracy will get his eventually, Pippen has 6, and Grant left Detriot because he wanted to get away. Malone and Payton went to LA just to get a championship and they are going to ride the back of Shaq to get it. It just marks their (Malone & Payton) career in my eyes that they only went to a team to get a ring, that sucks *** in my opinion because there is no since of legitimacy seeing as they are joining 2 players (Kobe & Shaq) that have built the LA team and they are playing off their (Kobe & Shaq) accomplishments.

[Brankles]

First of all WTF are you talking about. MJ, Tracy, Grant, & Pippen didn't go to other teams for the sake of winning a championship. MJ has 6 titles, Tracy will get his eventually, Pippen has 6, and Grant left Detriot because he wanted to get away. Malone and Payton went to LA just to get a championship and they are going to ride the back of Shaq to get it. It just marks his career in my eyes that he only went to a team to get a ring, that sucks [***]
in my opinion because there is no since of legitimacy seeing as they are joining to players that have built the LA team and they are playing off their accomplishments.


Amen.





Holla

[Ray_Allen_34]

Iwould say GP is a better point guard i mean look what he has done all these years, depefensive player of the yer, has meke the all starts game , and well he didn't won a nba championship because a guy names MJ when was on the finals. Personally for me i liked the joined the Lakers he got problems there in seaatle and also in milwaukke, and i diddn't lost respect from him just beacuse he signed for another team, then you should also say you lost respect with MJ,t-mac, grant hill,malone,pippen, lot of players change of team and just because that i wont hate em.


u mentioned that he was defensive player of the year, but that isn't the main part of a point guard, Kidd took his team to the finals twice in a row, and his team isn't all that good. If i recall, RJ was a lil scared to shoot, and Kenyon Martin only played on the defensive side. Then after a while, J.Kidd helped his team play better, and now u see Kenyon Martin scoring 20 and 30 points sometimes and Richard Jefferson STEPPED UP BIGTIME! Gary Payton is better defensively and yea he led the sonics to the finals, but he doesn't have the same affect as J. Kidd does on his team mates. That's my opinion.


and to top it off, J. Kidd is not only a better point guard, but he doesn't feel the need to score, even though he can pop a shot. Gary Payton sometimes feels the need to try and take 3 shots in a row. I was told that if a point guard has to score, then something is not right, but in GP's case, he starts scoring when things are just getting started. It's prolly hard to understand wat im sayin, but in my opinion, j. kidd is a better point guard.

First of all I'm not basing whos better on what they've won. IF that was the case then you couldn't even put GP in the same boat as Jason Kidd because PAyton and sonics got there as whooped by the Bulls. Also If I'm not mistaken it was Kemp not Payton that carried the team that year. Point guards main role on the team is to score and run the team or to set up your team. For you to say that you were told if a PG scores that something is wrong is stupid as hell because 2 of the best PG's in history scored lots of points, Magic and Oscar. Pistol Pete was a PG and ****ing scored 41.7 ppg at LSU, a record that still stands today. TP might have got Steph in one game, but that doesn't determine who's better or worse.

[Blackwiz]

i guess i just worded it wrong, im not sayin a point guard can't score once in a while, but if they feel the need to score cuz the other players aren't producing points, then somethings wrong, feel me?

[bennymeter]

Now really think about this question before you answer it. I'm going to say G.P., just because he can score when he wants, and plays stellar D. I think that G.P. has been more consistent throughout his whole career too!

MsteadR

kidd better point guard, GP BETTER PLAYER.

GP once averged 24,9 and 6 in 2000... he got no recognition, GP is one of the most underrated players of all time.

[Blackwiz]

he's not under rated, he just wasn't noticed for a while :roll: but on da real, he gets his credit

[HoustonFranchise]

Kobe will neve be ever Jordan .. or even surpassed him.

He #%#%ed it up with some lil ##%

His career is certainly not over.. but his image certainly is.
He's now basically an E true Hollywood story GUY... rather than a great baskeball player sport image.

He's much of a story like Ben and Jennifer.
or like he's much of a story like Michael Jackson to those kids.

He probably could have surpass JORDAN.

He have the skills to do it.. and charisma...

BUT THE IMAGE is DESTROYED.

[Ray_Allen_34]

Kobe's image isn't destroyed at all, this is just a set back. Look at Ray Lewis of the Ravens, he isn't suffering a bad public image at all after his little stint in court. People forget **** like this and if he is found innocent it will be over in a matter of months.

[Blackwiz]

Kobe will neve be ever Jordan .. or even surpassed him.

He #%#%ed it up with some lil ##%

His career is certainly not over.. but his image certainly is.
He's now basically an E true Hollywood story GUY... rather than a great baskeball player sport image.

He's much of a story like Ben and Jennifer.
or like he's much of a story like Michael Jackson to those kids.

He probably could have surpass JORDAN.

He have the skills to do it.. and charisma...

BUT THE IMAGE is DESTROYED.

blah, blah, blah, kobe's image is definitely not destroyed, its just hurtin right now, once this is all cleared, peeps will over look the case and just admire is game. Matter of fact, i bet during this season, no one will even care, as long as he's playin....lol.....sayin kobe's image is destroyed is like sayin VC is better than T-Mac, IT'S JUST NOT TRUE

[Brankles]

Kobe won't surpass Jordan...

And Kobe's image isn't ruined...
I still think he's a self-centered egomaniac...
And Kobe lovers still think he's really cute and has a nice butt and is the next Michael Jordan. (<----Sorry, I had to)

Kobe will never reach Jordan's level... especially after this little incident... and even before this event...

When will Kobe average 37 ppg or 8 apg or 8 rpg in his career....

When will he lead a mediocre team to the Finals by himself and win it 6 times...

When will he win the MVP (AT LEAST ONCE, COME ON)

How is he the next MJ... when he's not even the best player in the league...


Hey... It's better to be an informed hater than an ignorant lover....




Holla

[Blackwiz]

kobe will win an MVP, and maybe kobe won't surpass mj, but he'll get close. He has that confidence.


oh, and to kobe haters, im just wonderin why peeps say kobe is cocky just cuz he has confidence, if i recall, Jordan just knew he was da best back in the day :o no hate, but that sounds cocky

[Brankles]

It's not cocky when you can back it up...



Holla

[lllllll23lllllll]

As of right now i gotta roll with Kidd also BY A MILE!! But if i could go with one of those guys in their HEY day i would take GP by a mile! Payton was the master at defense and had a better offensive game than Kidd. 3pt range, rebounding, passing....I give Kidd props with the passing and rebounding but GP could it all and guard the 1 and 2 effectively.

But nowadays its Kidd all the way. He led the Nets to the Finals since he got there and they never looked back. Heres a point guard that puts up better rebounding numbers than some centers in the league! And his passing???


Thats the reason why the Nets are so good!


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[ANGELFUNK & TMAC]

kidd defines a point guard......

one of the best EVER....

[Blackwiz]

It's not cocky when you can back it up...



Holla

kobe can back himself up, but newayz, brankles, lets not get off topic

[Episode]

i gotta toss in on this one Payton will prolly be better than kidd till he retires, and in my opinion is the best pg in the league. Now yeah kidd is a playmaker and can be a scoreer his defense is nothing like GP, And marbury his D isn't somethin to focus on or better yet mention. But Marbury can score with the best of them when he's hot but he's not consistant. Gp is the best combo and the best at each except being a playmaker but he hasn't been able to do that with the supporting cast he's had around him except maybe at milwalkee with Sam. Milwalkee might have had better individual players but playing as a team was soemthing the nets did and maybe were the best in the league at it. So with GP being the best scorer and havin D that no one else i can say brings to the court and having the option maybe this year to really be a playmaker with players on a team that have made a statement being able to finish a possesion. GP remains the best pg in the league Period. 8)

[Brankles]

I was just wondering...

Why in the name of God is Marbury even in this conversation?





Holla

[Blackwiz]

yea, he's good, but he doesn't match up to GP or Kidd, i guess peeps is just givin him his credit :?

[ukbballrulez33]

as much as i hate to say it...J kidd because he makes things happen when they need to happen aka a playmaker and hes the best in the league at doing that

Do you like NBA Live?


no i dont i hate nba live...i love espn

[ANGELFUNK & TMAC]

i gotta toss in on this one Payton will prolly be better than kidd till he retires, and in my opinion is the best pg in the league. Now yeah kidd is a playmaker and can be a scoreer his defense is nothing like GP, And marbury his D isn't somethin to focus on or better yet mention. But Marbury can score with the best of them when he's hot but he's not consistant. Gp is the best combo and the best at each except being a playmaker but he hasn't been able to do that with the supporting cast he's had around him except maybe at milwalkee with Sam. Milwalkee might have had better individual players but playing as a team was soemthing the nets did and maybe were the best in the league at it. So with GP being the best scorer and havin D that no one else i can say brings to the court and having the option maybe this year to really be a playmaker with players on a team that have made a statement being able to finish a possesion. GP remains the best pg in the league Period.




can I just say that GP has had more than his fair share of players to ball with.....He has always had an ALL-STAR teammate

He has played with Kemp, Shrempf, Hawkins, Baker, Lewis, Cassell....just to name a few....

fact is GP is too dominant on the ball to be the best....he doesnt make other players better.....

he never has and never will.....he a GREAT player, but NOT the best point guard....thats JKIDD

[ANGELFUNK & TMAC]

was from Episode

i gotta toss in on this one Payton will prolly be better than kidd till he retires, and in my opinion is the best pg in the league. Now yeah kidd is a playmaker and can be a scoreer his defense is nothing like GP, And marbury his D isn't somethin to focus on or better yet mention. But Marbury can score with the best of them when he's hot but he's not consistant. Gp is the best combo and the best at each except being a playmaker but he hasn't been able to do that with the supporting cast he's had around him except maybe at milwalkee with Sam. Milwalkee might have had better individual players but playing as a team was soemthing the nets did and maybe were the best in the league at it. So with GP being the best scorer and havin D that no one else i can say brings to the court and having the option maybe this year to really be a playmaker with players on a team that have made a statement being able to finish a possesion. GP remains the best pg in the league Period.

[Ray_Allen_34]

kobe will win an MVP, and maybe kobe won't surpass mj, but he'll get close. He has that confidence.


oh, and to kobe haters, im just wonderin why peeps say kobe is cocky just cuz he has confidence, if i recall, Jordan just knew he was da best back in the day :o no hate, but that sounds cocky

Jordan didn't have to be cocky because game in and game out he had people calling him the greatest to ever play the game. People don't call Kobe the best ever, they mention him as a great talent. I will saw that Kobe is a better shooter than Jordan at this point in his career except for when he just fires up shots for the hell of it. The reason people are mentioning Marbury is because I threw him in as my choice back on the first page of this thread. I just wanted to open this topic up more because I don't think GP would be getting this much mentioning if he hadn't joined the lakers. How come peeps didn't ask if he was better when he joined the Bucks? Anyways back to the subject at hand. To compare Kobe to Jordan is unfair and nonjustifiable based on the facts that Kobe can't and never will be able to dominate a game like MJ and Kobe doesn't make players around him better. The reason Kobe will never get an MVP anytime soon is because he is on a team with Shaq and no matter how you look at it, it will be Shaqs team regardless, especially with what's happening now. Year in year out Shaq is mentioned for an MVP award and Kobe's name is never listed in the top 3 or 4 when it comes down to the final annoucement. If you took Shaq off the lakers and gave him a Pippen type like Jordan had, I guarantee that he wouldn't win a single title. Michael willed the Bulls to championship because guys were scared to play him and he knew that.

[Ray_Allen_34]

continued from previous post............

The only players I have ever seen go head to head with MJ is John Starks and Clyde Drexler. Those two are the only people in my opinion that weren't affraid to go at him and it's evident if you look back to the finals tapes of when the Bulls played the Knicks, and the Trailblazers. Kobe is a great player and I can't stunt on him, but I don't think he will ever be like Mike when it comes to the overall contribution to the game of Basketball.

[Blackwiz]

ok, ok, mike is good, BUT HE AIN'T GOD, U ALL ON HIS D*CK

[stead21]

Kobe's image isn't destroyed at all, this is just a set back. Look at Ray Lewis of the Ravens, he isn't suffering a bad public image at all after his little stint in court. People forget [***]
like this and if he is found innocent it will be over in a matter of months.

Don't nobody care about some dead black man, which is sad to say I mean they still haven't solved Tu pac and Biggie's Murder cases and those were two famous, popluar black men. In the case of Kobe this is a 19 year old white woman from Colorado people. They are going to try to throw the book at Kobe Bryant. Kobe had sex with her, but Kobe didn't ra pe that girl. Kobe can get all the juice he wants, so why should he have to ra pe a girl. It's over for that man, I mean look what happened to Emmitt Till yo, he was just whistling at a white woman. Sh it hasn't hardly changed for the black man, whether your famous or poor.

Holla,

MsteadR