What players should have different abilities?

[ballin5692]

What players in APF do you think they messed up on the abilities they gave them? What abilities would you have given the player?

I would of given Barry Sanders Cyclone instead of branching tackles. It is said that Barry Sanders revolutionized the spin move. Also he really didnt branch tackles it was more of slipping out of tackles with his finesse and great balance. From what I saw when he got hit he kept his balanced more than branching the tackle. From the highlites and games I have watched of Barry Sanders he had a pretty good spin move and broke many tackles because of it.

[twosilk]

joe montana- quick feet instead of scrambler

when I think of scramblers, steve young and randall cunningham come to mind, not joe montana, he was good at evading the rush, and buying time, but not at truly scrambling.

[zhaoyun707]

Roger Craig he deserves more speed, more agility, more acrobatic catch(Yes he had lot of 1 hand grabs) and a special ability for his high knees. They should call the move piston knees which is the samething with battering ram but he knocks him out with his knees.

I also want Derrick Thomas fixed in this game. He doesn't deserve any pass rush moves because he was known for his speed rush of the edge so make his speed rush much deadlier and tone down his catch.

They need to fix John Taylors agility in this game because he was much better than Rice in terms of YAC and breaking way more tackles. Plus John Taylor deserves Possession Receiver since he was really good at running short runs and he deserves bump buster because He was known for breaking bumps very quickly and getting open on the exposed coverage.
Look at 5:40 to the end of the video. It shows him against bump coverage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGCSjt2kpOg

[zhaoyun707]

joe montana- quick feet instead of scrambler

when I think of scramblers, steve young and randall cunningham come to mind, not joe montana, he was good at evading the rush, and buying time, but not at truly scrambling.

What are you talking about? Joe Montana was a scrambler QB, when he was young he was fast like Donovan is today. Just let you know, Joe Montana and Steve Young didn't have that good of a pass blocking line. They were overrated because they were usually hit in every pass play. Reason for Steve Youngs concussion and Joe Montana's almost career ending injury. THey had to scramble a lot to survive since the 49ers had the smallest linemen then and today.

[twosilk]

What are you talking about? Joe Montana was a scrambler QB, when he was young he was fast like Donovan is today. Just let you know, Joe Montana and Steve Young didn't have that good of a pass blocking line. They were overrated because they were usually hit in every pass play. Reason for Steve Youngs concussion and Joe Montana's almost career ending injury. THey had to scramble a lot to survive since the 49ers had the smallest linemen then and today.

joe montana fast as donovan mcnabb, man can you pass me that blunt when you get done!!! one of joe montana greatest abilities was to do what he did without a ton of athletic ability.

[zhaoyun707]

joe montana fast as donovan mcnabb, man can you pass me that blunt when you get done!!! one of joe montana greatest abilities was to do what he did without a ton of athletic ability.

I remember in the 1981 Playoffs against the Giants that Montana outran most giants defender for 30 yards before getting tackled by the safety.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvvAkkLAwrI

[zhaoyun707]

Look at 0:35
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR8dLRgYY6E&feature=related

[ballin5692]

What are you talking about? Joe Montana was a scrambler QB, when he was young he was fast like Donovan is today. Just let you know, Joe Montana and Steve Young didn't have that good of a pass blocking line. They were overrated because they were usually hit in every pass play. Reason for Steve Youngs concussion and Joe Montana's almost career ending injury. THey had to scramble a lot to survive since the 49ers had the smallest linemen then and today.

Before McNabbs ACL tear he weighed about 260 pounds. He ran about 4.4-4.5 speed. McNabb was a freak of nature being able to run like he did while weighing as much as he weighed. Its basically like trying to tackle a freight train. They are big and move pretty fast.

Minh one question haha. The last time Joe Motana played in a 49ers uniform was in 1992. What where you 1? How do you remember if he was a good scrambler or not. I think silk got it right. When you think of scrambler you think of someone like Michael Vick, McNabb, Cunningham, Steve and Vince Young. You dont think of Joe Montana. That run basically anyone can make the players on the giants took really bad angles and Montana was already started those players had to gain all there speed to catch up to him and they did.

[guava9]

What are you talking about? Joe Montana was a scrambler QB, when he was young he was fast like Donovan is today.

McNabb's slow as balls nowadays.

Anyway, scrambler isn't all about running for long gains. It's about making accurate throws outside the pocket. Many would give Brett Favre scrambler because he makes good throws on the run. Scrambler isn't just for those extremely athletic QBs like Michael Vick.

[amid]

Lenny Moore did it all for the Baltimore Colts, excellent WR, HB and KO/punt return man

a silver in the game... abilities?

1) ankle breaker

[zhaoyun707]

Before McNabbs ACL tear he weighed about 260 pounds. He ran about 4.4-4.5 speed. McNabb was a freak of nature being able to run like he did while weighing as much as he weighed. Its basically like trying to tackle a freight train. They are big and move pretty fast.

Minh one question haha. The last time Joe Motana played in a 49ers uniform was in 1992. What where you 1? How do you remember if he was a good scrambler or not. I think silk got it right. When you think of scrambler you think of someone like Michael Vick, McNabb, Cunningham, Steve and Vince Young. You dont think of Joe Montana. That run basically anyone can make the players on the giants took really bad angles and Montana was already started those players had to gain all there speed to catch up to him and they did.

I have the whole season game from 1981 to 1994 in my house lol. I got VHS and DVD for them lol.

[kcxiv]

Derrick Thomas needs a swim move of type. Yes, he was fast, but once he got his shoulder under the LT's he used that to his ability and he broke. He's worthless as a pass rusher in this game. My favorite player of all time and i cant even use him the way he's meant to be used.

[zhaoyun707]

Derrick Thomas needs a swim move of type. Yes, he was fast, but once he got his shoulder under the LT's he used that to his ability and he broke. He's worthless as a pass rusher in this game. My favorite player of all time and i cant even use him the way he's meant to be used.

He doesn't deserve swim move, he deserves his own specialized speed rush. Like when he rushes someone unlike the other speed rush, his is much faster. I've seen most of his sacks and how he rushed was speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGurzBk7QL8

[ballin5692]

McNabb's slow as balls nowadays.

Anyway, scrambler isn't all about running for long gains. It's about making accurate throws outside the pocket. Many would give Brett Favre scrambler because he makes good throws on the run. Scrambler isn't just for those extremely athletic QBs like Michael Vick.

McNabb actually isnt that slow anymore. He isnt what he is used to be but he is faster than most QBs right now. He worked all offseason on getting some of his speed back and losing some weight.

But anyway back to the point. When you hear scrambler you dont think of someone who is good at throwing on the run. You think of QBs running around in the backfield buying extra time. I think there is a huge difference from being able to throw on the run and being a scrambler. in 2004 when McNabb was running around for 15 seconds against the cowboys that was scrambling. When a Qb drops back and rolls out to his right and throws a pass on the run that is just throwing a pass on the run not scrambling.

[zhaoyun707]

McNabb actually isnt that slow anymore. He isnt what he is used to be but he is faster than most QBs right now. He worked all offseason on getting some of his speed back and losing some weight.

But anyway back to the point. When you hear scrambler you dont think of someone who is good at throwing on the run. You think of QBs running around in the backfield buying extra time. I think there is a huge difference from being able to throw on the run and being a scrambler. in 2004 when McNabb was running around for 15 seconds against the cowboys that was scrambling. When a Qb drops back and rolls out to his right and throws a pass on the run that is just throwing a pass on the run not scrambling.
It was the pass to greg lewis for the deep TD rigfht?

[ballin5692]

It was to Freddie Mitchell and no it wasnt a touchdown but it was like a 60 yard completion. We destoryed the cowboys that game.

[nyknicks33]

They need to fix John Taylors agility in this game because he was much better than Rice in terms of YAC and breaking way more tackles.

Are you out of your mind?


--Anyway. LC Greenwood is completely butchered. I cant even begin to get into that.

Rod Woodson should really be the best defensive back in this game. You could reasonably make the case that he should have: Coverage, Ball Hawk, PAss Rush Bonus, Speed, Run Coverage.

Rod Woodson had no flaws.

[zhaoyun707]

Are you out of your mind?


--Anyway. LC Greenwood is completely butchered. I cant even begin to get into that.

Rod Woodson should really be the best defensive back in this game. You could reasonably make the case that he should have: Coverage, Ball Hawk, PAss Rush Bonus, Speed, Run Coverage.

Rod Woodson had no flaws.

If you asked every person that played in the 80's and 90's and tell them if John Taylor was a better YAC receiver than Jerry Rice. They would agree... John Taylor was guarded on the best cover man like Deion Sanders, Eric Allen, Dale Carter, Chris Dishman, Kevin Smith, Ricky Reynolds, etc.

[hibachiii]

Troy Aikman should have Laser Arm.

Roger Staubach should have Clutch and 4th QB Comeback.

[zhaoyun707]

Troy Aikman should have Laser Arm.

Roger Staubach should have Clutch and 4th QB Comeback.

He does have 4th QB Comeback...

Also Randy White deserves pass rush bonus.
Ickey Woods deserves strength bonus or workhorse.

[ballin5692]

If you asked every person that played in the 80's and 90's and tell them if John Taylor was a better YAC receiver than Jerry Rice. They would agree... John Taylor was guarded on the best cover man like Deion Sanders, Eric Allen, Dale Carter, Chris Dishman, Kevin Smith, Ricky Reynolds, etc.

They wouldnt do that because they thought he was better than Rice they did that so they can focus more on Rice. You put your best cover guy on the #2 receiver then you just double and triple the #1 all day knowing the other receiver is pretty much shut down with your best cover guy on the team.

[zhaoyun707]

They wouldnt do that because they thought he was better than Rice they did that so they can focus more on Rice. You put your best cover guy on the #2 receiver then you just double and triple the #1 all day knowing the other receiver is pretty much shut down with your best cover guy on the team.

But your facts are wrong, they double both John Taylor and Jerry Rice so much that they forget the TE Brent Jones. They also forget FB Tom Rathman and HB Roger Craig. The WCO is really using their RB a lot on pass plays. Like how Andy Reid uses Brian Westbrook. Plus what happened to Deion when he covered 1 on 1 with John Taylor? Thats right... He got burned...
5 receptions, 162 yards, 1 TD

[ballin5692]

Wasnt one of those receptions a 90 yard slant pattern? Deion Sanders was no the greatest tackler in the world. Take away that 5 yard pass reception with a 85 yard run then he has 72 yards on 4 receptions. What year was it that he burned him 1989 when he was a rookie? Great accomplishment burning a rookie.

[zhaoyun707]

Wasnt one of those receptions a 90 yard slant pattern? Deion Sanders was no the greatest tackler in the world. Take away that 5 yard pass reception with a 85 yard run then he has 72 yards on 4 receptions. What year was it that he burned him 1989 when he was a rookie? Great accomplishment burning a rookie.

He was burned on a deep post pattern... I wished they still had the video on youtube... Does it matter you got burned when you were a rookie? If you got burned. You got burned...

[ballin5692]

I doubt John Taylor would of done that to Deion Sanders 3 years later. Being a Rookie in the NFL is alot different then playing for 3 years. You got to get used to the speed and everything. Why do you think most rookies get limited playing time their rookie season.

[zhaoyun707]

I doubt John Taylor would of done that to Deion Sanders 3 years later. Being a Rookie in the NFL is alot different then playing for 3 years. You got to get used to the speed and everything.

1991 3 receptions 177yds, 3 TDs...

[ballin5692]

Im saying if Deion Sanders was drafted in 1986 John Taylor wouldnt of done that to him. They probably had no safety help with Deion Sanders that game because of Jerry Rice. Deion Sanders had 5 ints his rookie season in 10 games. You know why? Because everyone wanted to pick on the rookie. Only 3 more times in Deions Career did he have 5 or more than 5 INTs in a season. You know why? Because Deion Sanders wasnt no rookie anymore. Deion Sanders had 8 season where he had no more than 3 INTs because no one wanted to throw in his direction.

[guava9]

McNabb actually isnt that slow anymore. He isnt what he is used to be but he is faster than most QBs right now. He worked all offseason on getting some of his speed back and losing some weight.

But anyway back to the point. When you hear scrambler you dont think of someone who is good at throwing on the run. You think of QBs running around in the backfield buying extra time. I think there is a huge difference from being able to throw on the run and being a scrambler. in 2004 when McNabb was running around for 15 seconds against the cowboys that was scrambling. When a Qb drops back and rolls out to his right and throws a pass on the run that is just throwing a pass on the run not scrambling.

You're right, McNabb is faster than most QBs. He's just not as fast as he used to be.

I believe the game specifically says the Scrambling ability makes the QB make better throws outside of the pocket. I'm sure it does help a little bit with "scrambling" (that is, the QB running with the ball) but still, most QBs in this game are extremely slow with or without the ability. Say I'm making Michael Vick, the first ability I give him is scrambler because he does throw better outside of the pocket. Then I give him things like Speed Burner and Quick Feet for his running ability.

[hibachiii]

He does have 4th QB Comeback...

Also Randy White deserves pass rush bonus.
Ickey Woods deserves strength bonus or workhorse.
I'm saying that he should have both...

[ballin5692]

You're right, McNabb is faster than most QBs. He's just not as fast as he used to be.

I believe the game specifically says the Scrambling ability makes the QB make better throws outside of the pocket. I'm sure it does help a little bit with "scrambling" (that is, the QB running with the ball) but still, most QBs in this game are extremely slow with or without the ability. Say I'm making Michael Vick, the first ability I give him is scrambler because he does throw better outside of the pocket. Then I give him things like Speed Burner and Quick Feet for his running ability.

Ya but I think they should make a different type of ability for qbs that can throw on the run. There is a huge difference between a scrambling QB and a QB that can throw on the run. Brett Favre can throw on the run but would you put him in the catagory as a scrambling QB?

[zhaoyun707]

Im saying if Deion Sanders was drafted in 1986 John Taylor wouldnt of done that to him. They probably had no safety help with Deion Sanders that game because of Jerry Rice. Deion Sanders had 5 ints his rookie season in 10 games. You know why? Because everyone wanted to pick on the rookie. Only 3 more times in Deions Career did he have 5 or more than 5 INTs in a season. You know why? Because Deion Sanders wasnt no rookie anymore. Deion Sanders had 8 season where he had no more than 3 INTs because no one wanted to throw in his direction.

You know that Ronnie Lott only had one pass complete against him on the whole 1981 season when he was playing CB. Also he was elected to the Pro Bowl and had 7 Ints. 3 returned for TDs... That makes Ronnie Lott a better overall CB than Deion Sanders... How embarrassing.

[ballin5692]

Where do you get these stats from?? Nowhere do I see when I search Ronnie Lott does it say he only had 1 pass completed against him. Also Deion Sanders did not start that entire season he only started 10 games. Did you know Deion Sanders first ever punt return in his NFL career was returned for a TD?

Did you know Jerry Rice said himself that Deion Sanders was the only player he was scared to face? Also I just read an article saying thet Deion Sanders was always covering Jerry Rice and pretty much shut him down everytime he played him.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/17936-deion-sanders-best-corner-ever-what-about-best-player-ever/page/2

Sanders is the greatest because he played against the greatest. If Rice can be considered the greatest player of all time by some, what does that make the man who could take him out of a game?

During Deion's day, the roll call of receivers also in their primes were guys like Rice, Irvin, Tim Brown, and Cris Carter. These might be the best receivers ever, and at one time they were all being shut down by Deion.

[squitsquat]

Leroy Kelly- should have branching tackles and speed burner

aikman- should have laser arm

shannon sharpe- should have soft hands

[kcxiv]

He doesn't deserve swim move, he deserves his own specialized speed rush. Like when he rushes someone unlike the other speed rush, his is much faster. I've seen most of his sacks and how he rushed was speed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGurzBk7QL8

Well, there isnt a speciality Speed rush for what he did, so i picked a swim move becuase thats the closest thing they have.

YOu dont have to show me what DT can do. He's my favorite player of all time.

Need to watch out for Derrion. His son is making waves and may be recruited to his dad's alma mater that is Alabama! :)

[nyknicks33]

Part of the intrigue for me is not knowing up front what every player can do really.

Len Dawson and Archie Manning can scramble, but you wouldnt know it without playing with them.

IMO Billy Joe Dupree is the best silver TE, but all people see is the bulldozer attribute.

[nyknicks33]

John Taylor was a 2 time pro bowler, and was never first or second team all pro.

John Taylor had two 1,000 yd receiving seasons and only 3 seasons where he caught over 50 balls in a season in a 9 yr career.

Taylor is exactly what he should be in this game.

Just because some bronzes have just as many attributes as golds, or silvers, doesnt mean they are, or should be as good as those players.

Alvin Harper has more attributes then Drew Pearson. does anyone who has played this game any length of time think Harper is better then Pearson? Really?

[TheVisionary78]

Troy Aikmen has no charge ability.

[Canadian]

Brett Favre can throw on the run but would you put him in the catagory as a scrambling QB?

In his early years, yes. He was all over the backfield making lineman look bad, and he put up a rushing TD every couple games. In addition to that, if I'm not mistaken, his dad had him run the option (or some other college style running game) in high school, yes that's drasticly different from the pros, but he learned the skillset then, combined with his natural ability in the NFL, he was a very effective scrambler.

But I digress, Favre isn't even in the game.

The headslap should've been a special move in the game. Similar to how they gave Payton the scissor kick, it's his signature, his ticket to Canton if you will, Deacon should've got the headslap.

[nyknicks33]

The headslap should've been a special move in the game. Similar to how they gave Payton the scissor kick, it's his signature, his ticket to Canton if you will, Deacon should've got the headslap.

Deacon's charged club is a headslap animation.

[Canadian]

Did not know that, I rarely play as linemen and I never heard anyone make any mention of it before. Might check that out later.

[Kdrontle]

Scrambler - excels at throwing outside the pocket

Favre - yes

[mulberry]

Ok, we will start at the bottom and work our way up.
Bronze: [QB] Kosar deserves leadership, Hostetler deserves rocket arm, Brodie deserves something (he was the MVP). [RB] Okoye is faster than they made him (he ran a 4.4), Meggett deserves quick feet or cutback. [FB] hoge deserves bulldozer or strength. [WR] Ismail deserves deep threat. [DT] Lett deserves strength. [ILB] they all should pursue better.
Silver: [QB] Cunningham is significantly faster than portrayed, and could actually throw the ball fairly accurately. [RB] Muncie deserves strength, Warner deserves quick feet. [FB] Woods deserves branching. [WR] Fryar deserves quick feet. [TE] any hands ability for Christiansen. [DT] Millard shouldn't suck. [DE] they should pronounce bethea's name right. [ILB] Carson and Tuggle should be quicker in pursuit. [CB] Renfro deserves ball hawk or coverage. [SS] Mcafee was a better RB than SS, butler deserves run reader. [FS] Cherry should have ball hawk.
Gold: [QB] Elway was a leader, Baugh should have strength and stamina bonus', Aikman deserves laser arm. [RB] Kelly should get branching, Marcus Allen was the fastest player on the field at any time, Thomas has quick feet, Payton should have branching. [WR] Lofton has acrobatic catching. [TE] Shannon Sharpe was the best receiving TE ever, give him soft hands at least. [DT] White should have run coverage and pash rush bonus. [DE] White should be able to rip through double teams, seeing as he did it every game (so bull rush?). [ILB] Singletary is much faster than they make him. [CB] Lane should be able to pick the ball rather than just always knocking it down, and Brown has to be faster and quicker than they give him credit for in this game. [FS] Lott was also a great cover corner (coverage bonus).
What do you folks think?

[RockCh4lk]

What players in APF do you think they messed up on the abilities they gave them? What abilities would you have given the player?

I would of given Barry Sanders Cyclone instead of branching tackles. It is said that Barry Sanders revolutionized the spin move. Also he really didnt branch tackles it was more of slipping out of tackles with his finesse and great balance. From what I saw when he got hit he kept his balanced more than branching the tackle. From the highlites and games I have watched of Barry Sanders he had a pretty good spin move and broke many tackles because of it.

Doesnt Finesse include spin moves? I thought so, and Branching tackles is the only thing they could give him that is close to keeping his balance when he got hit.

[ballin5692]

Doesnt Finesse include spin moves? I thought so, and Branching tackles is the only thing they could give him that is close to keeping his balance when he got hit.

Yes but the individual skill is better than finesse. So if you have cyclone it will be better than the cyclone you get with finesse.

[zhaoyun707]

Yes but the individual skill is better than finesse. So if you have cyclone it will be better than the cyclone you get with finesse.

Cyclone sucks in this game. The Finese spin move is much better because you spin to the direction you want to go very fast. When you use the cyclone spin move, you barely move 1 yard which allows people from behind to tackle you.

[so504phia]

Archie Manning should've been a bronze. We love him down here, but he sucked when he played, well the team sucked too. Still he's a bronze.

[NTq]

montana should have 4th quarter comeback

[zhaoyun707]

There is a reason that some legends didn't get some abilities, its because they tried to keep this game balance so If you want a Run Stopping SS get Joey Browner, if you want a Coverage SS get Leroy Butler, if you want a balance SS get **** Anderson, If you want a quick and dangerous return SS get George Macafee.

[Mozark]

Thurman Thomas - take off stop on a dime and give him break away burst and last slot will be Quick feet
Deron Cherry - should have Ball hawk and Coverage the guy have 50 picks in his career

[tpaterniti]

Scrambler in 2K does not mean you are good at running as a QB. It means that you have less of a penalty while throwing on the run. Quick Feet and Speed is what you want to give a true running QB. Scrambler is what you give a QB who you think should be just as accurate passing on the run as passing from the pocket with his feet set. That is what the scramble attribute meant in all past 2K games as well. It seems a little counterintuitive I know.

[tpaterniti]

Also to Mulberry's list, Millard is a beast when manually controlled and you have to take into account that for some guys like Christensen they don't need hands abilities since as a silver they already catch. That is like giving a gold WR Soft hands. It's silly and unnecessary.

[nyknicks33]

I cant figure out controlling DL's manually for the life of me. I can never get their moves to trigger. Whats the secret?

[BrandH]

Just charge up and don't worry if they are engaged. I had a CAP with spin once season in The Gridiron and it always got me pressure when I really needed to get to the QB. You don't need to do the move just as you make contact. You can pull it off really well if you wait for the full charge even if you already are engaged with the o-lineman.

[Randy Cruel]

joe montana fast as donovan mcnabb, man can you pass me that blunt when you get done!!! one of joe montana greatest abilities was to do what he did without a ton of athletic ability.


The argument is pointless because Scrambler is "Throwing the Ball Out of the Pocket". It has nothing to do with feet or speed. It simply means once the QB gets out of the pocket (at whatever speed he does it), he'll be good at throwing the ball from where he is now.

[Randy Cruel]

And about the topic:

I thought that Walter Payton should have gotten Branching Tackles (I think this is the biggest missed one by 2k, but I must say, for the most part, they did a great job). They could have just had Walter do the Scissor Kick and Goal Line Dive without actually having to use 2 slots for them. This would have freed up the slot for Branching Tackles and something else (maybe Stamina...Walter's cardio was unparalleled).

On the other hand, Earl Campbell could've gone with Strength over his Stamina. Workhorse and Stamina seems a little too much. And the clips I see of Earl make me think of "Strength".

John Elway should have Leadership over Cadence (I think the regular Cadence is enough for the game).

Marcus Allen's Super Bowl run alone should have gotten him Break Away Burst. The above mentioned theory on Scissor Kick and Goal Line Dive would have freed up room for Break Away Burst.

Mike Singeltary should have Leadership. Even before he was 49ers coach he was known for his Leadership (as a player). Switch it with one of his tackling/run skills.

Chuck Bednarik should have Big Hit. This one, like the Singelatray one, seemed obvious.

Dave Kreig could be a silver (stat-wise) and Archie Manning should be WAY bronze (this one baffles me).

Thoe are minor tweaks though. Besides Walter being so lame and Earl being too dominating, I think 2k did a real good job.

[zhaoyun707]

And about the topic:

I thought that Walter Payton should have gotten Branching Tackles (I think this is the biggest missed one by 2k, but I must say, for the most part, they did a great job). They could have just had Walter do the Scissor Kick and Goal Line Dive without actually having to use 2 slots for them. This would have freed up the slot for Branching Tackles and something else (maybe Stamina...Walter's cardio was unparalleled).

On the other hand, Earl Campbell could've gone with Strength over his Stamina. Workhorse and Stamina seems a little too much. And the clips I see of Earl make me think of "Strength".

John Elway should have Leadership over Cadence (I think the regular Cadence is enough for the game).

Marcus Allen's Super Bowl run alone should have gotten him Break Away Burst. The above mentioned theory on Scissor Kick and Goal Line Dive would have freed up room for Break Away Burst.

Mike Singeltary should have Leadership. Even before he was 49ers coach he was known for his Leadership (as a player). Switch it with one of his tackling/run skills.

Chuck Bednarik should have Big Hit. This one, like the Singelatray one, seemed obvious.

Dave Kreig could be a silver (stat-wise) and Archie Manning should be WAY bronze (this one baffles me).

Thoe are minor tweaks though. Besides Walter being so lame and Earl being too dominating, I think 2k did a real good job.
They need to give John Taylor Finese or Branching Tackle!

[squitsquat]

paul hornung- speed burner and break away burst

dante lavelli- his nickname is gluefingers or whatever for a reason so make his soft hands actually good

walter peyton- should have speed and branching tackles as a "secret" ability if they don't want to show it

barry sanders- shouldnt have branching tackles but whatever

pete metzalaars- is the best receiver in terms of catching in the game

archie manning- he is a bronze

lenny moore- return specialist, speed, soft hands, quick feet, ankle breaker, plus he was a rb not a wr

bobby mitchell- should have quick feet, plus he was a rb and not a wr

i'm sure there are alot more players i could think of

[nyknicks33]

LC Greenwood is the most jacked up player in the game IMO.

They also got Irving Fryar and Henry Ellard wrong. In their primes, they were pretty explosive receivers.

[zhaoyun707]

LC Greenwood is the most jacked up player in the game IMO.

They also got Irving Fryar and Henry Ellard wrong. In their primes, they were pretty explosive receivers.

Irving Fryar is my favorite Silver receiver in this game. He is explosive and breaks LOTS! AND LOTS! AND LOTS! Of tackles for me.

[Kdrontle]

LC Greenwood is the most jacked up player in the game IMO.

They also got Irving Fryar and Henry Ellard wrong. In their primes, they were pretty explosive receivers.

What do you mean jacked up? Good? Bad?

In my experience he has played BAD for me! In pursuit he flies, but the guy always takes that slow outer shoulder rush when pursuing the QB. He doesn't shed blocks, force fumbles, or do anything very fast for me. Maybe I need to use him on Legend mode or something.

I thought Greg Lloyd should've got pass rush bonus or Ball Strip. He forced a good amount of fumbles.

Along with Singletary, Lambert was considered an obvious Leader of great teams. I'm guessing they just didn't want to over-use certain abilities.

Sammy Baugh could have like 10 abilities. Insane punt average.

Go look at Ellard's stats... he had some stat crazy seasons. I think he may be a great all around reciever even though his abilities may not appear that way. I believe I've seen him make some great acrobatic catches with his hops ability. I think he can do everything pretty all around well.

[nyknicks33]

What do you mean jacked up? Good? Bad?

In my experience he has played BAD for me! In pursuit he flies, but the guy always takes that slow outer shoulder rush when pursuing the QB. He doesn't shed blocks, force fumbles, or do anything very fast for me. Maybe I need to use him on Legend mode or something.

I thought Greg Lloyd should've got pass rush bonus or Ball Strip. He forced a good amount of fumbles.

Along with Singletary, Lambert was considered an obvious Leader of great teams. I'm guessing they just didn't want to over-use certain abilities.

Sammy Baugh could have like 10 abilities. Insane punt average.

Go look at Ellard's stats... he had some stat crazy seasons. I think he may be a great all around reciever even though his abilities may not appear that way. I believe I've seen him make some great acrobatic catches with his hops ability. I think he can do everything pretty all around well.

Jacked up as in bad. He was better then guys like Too Tall Jones, Jack Youngblood and Chris Doleman. He really should be on the level of Elvin Bethea and Leroy Selmon.

He plays "good" at 3-4 OLB..he can anchor the edge, but he doesnt cause much distruption. The 1 time I got anything resembling good production out of him, was when I teamed him with Randy White.