Margarito vs Mosley(spoiler)

[kdouglas12]

OMG....... Margo just got an azzz whooping from Mosley. Mosley looked better than he has looked in the last 5-6 years imo. I still cannot believe how easy of a time Mosley had dispatching of Margarito. What a perfect gameplan by Mosley and his team. Does anyone know how many times Mosley has had Nazeem Richardson in his corner before this, or was this their first time together? Mosley looked like he did in his prime........amazing!!!!

[Prince Antdawg]

I tried to tell you guys that Margarito is overrated. He really couldn't take those body shots....as I said before he can't take body shots. Now everyone knows how to beat margarito. What makes it even funnier is that Margarito tried to cheat lol. That was Mosley's first time with that trainer btw.

[kdouglas12]

I tried to tell you guys that Margarito is overrated. He really couldn't take those body shots....as I said before he can't take body shots. Now everyone knows how to beat margarito. What makes it even funnier is that Margarito tried to cheat lol. That was Mosley's first time with that trainer btw.

That is some funny **** that Margo tried to cheat like that. Where does Mosley go from here? Fighting Cotto again makes some sense, just to get his vindication for the first fight(robbery), or he could give Margo a rematch, just to return the favor of taking the challenge. I have always thought Mosley had the style/speed to outdo Floyd too. That is a fight I have always wanted to see.

[Georgiano]

you know not taking away nothing from Mosley..but i did all i saw was Bernard Hopkins in the ring..if you are allowed to fight like that you can be 50 and fight..he did hit Margarito with lots of shots, but if ref would have taken a point off from holding in 5th round which would be more then enough warnings..this fight could really have been good, not so one sided.

again another getting away with holding..head butting..shoulder butting not letting opponent to throw, i mean if i was Mosley i would do the same if i got away with it, he hit Margarito with too many punches and did not take anything back because he kept holding.


Margarito Corner is just too naive and did not understand how to counter this Bernard Hopkins tactics which he got away with his whole carrier..that's why he fights so good at 43 or 44, if they have complained right away with ref and demanded that Mosley does not hold inside, he can maneuver move his head , but he can not head butt and hold opposite side of ref..that's illegal and of course
Ref did nothing about it, if Margarito corner made it clear that they would have none of that early in a fight we could have had a truly great fight like Cotto and Margarito..Cotto did not do that, i have more respect for cotto then Mosley he fought how you suppose to..Mosley cheated through it.


and for some reason i called it right infront of everyone before the fight i said MOSLEY WILL HOLD AND GET AWAY WITH IT WHOLE FIGHT AND WIN ON DECISION WATCHH, that is the only way he could have won.


but for what it was worth, mosley gave us a good show, it was just too bad he cheated and got away with one sided clear victory, that was not really fear, but oh well..corrupt business, what surprises me is that neither Margarito or his corner saw it..don't they watch Boxing? Margarito did say that he could not gett Mosley off him that he kept hugging him, but that will not get you anywhere.


if you are allowed to fight like that..you can virtually never get hit with any solid punches throughout fight while you will dish out lots of punishment on your opponent, no wonder B_hop never really gets hit.

[shadio3]

^^^MOSLEY didnt cheattttttttttttt..he wasent HOLDING tony, he was turning tony. There's a difference bra. TONY WAS THE REAL CHEATER. Hell, tony has been using cheat gloves for who knows how long...lol, so cotto can now come back and beat tony as well.....shame

Hopkins is the greatest fighter of all time and YES mosley has learned a few things from the ALL TIME LEGEND. COmon man, hopkins doesent HOLD & HEADBUTT, hopkins beats you up on the inside WHILE TURNING YOU....while you people think he's HOLDING, ALL HOPKINS IS DOING IS TURNING YOU FROM SIDE TO SIDE (legend).....

mosley beat the livin sh$%t out of tony last night and IM SO HAPPY TO SEE IT..tony had no chance or no buissness being in the ring with mosley

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

shadio: true boxing fan

[shadio3]

the report


Shane Mosley TKO9 Antonio Margarito... Shane Mosley dominated Antonio Margarito, knocking him down in the eighth round, and again in the ninth, just as the referee stepped in to end Margarito's suffering. It was a comprehensive beating, although Maragrito's penchant for late rallys kept things suspenseful. Mosley outlanded Margarito 178 punches to 108 and won almost every round, with no hint of a late rally by Margarito. In front of the largest crowd for any event in the history of Los Angeles' Staples Center, Mosley claimed the WBA welterweight title, and with Floyd Mayweather still in retirement, Mosley not only merits true world champion status at welterweight, but also can be no worse than fourth in the mythical pound-for-pound ratings. At 37 years old, Mosley fought as well as he ever did in his prime. HBO reported that before the fight, Margarito's handwraps were found to have an illegal hard substance in them, and the California commission forced him to re-wrap his hands. This will give Kermit Cintron and Miguel Cotto reason to question whether they were cheated in recent stoppage losses to Margarito. Tonight marked Mosley's first fight under trainer Nazim Richardson, the early favorite for trainer of the year for his work tonight. Richardson was credited with noticing the illegal handwraps before the fight.


shadio: true boxing fan

[kdouglas12]

you know not taking away nothing from Mosley..but i did all i saw was Bernard Hopkins in the ring..if you are allowed to fight like that you can be 50 and fight..he did hit Margarito with lots of shots, but if ref would have taken a point off from holding in 5th round which would be more then enough warnings..this fight could really have been good, not so one sided.

again another getting away with holding..head butting..shoulder butting not letting opponent to throw, i mean if i was Mosley i would do the same if i got away with it, he hit Margarito with too many punches and did not take anything back because he kept holding.


Margarito Corner is just too naive and did not understand how to counter this Bernard Hopkins tactics which he got away with his whole carrier..that's why he fights so good at 43 or 44, if they have complained right away with ref and demanded that Mosley does not hold inside, he can maneuver move his head , but he can not head butt and hold opposite side of ref..that's illegal and of course
Ref did nothing about it, if Margarito corner made it clear that they would have none of that early in a fight we could have had a truly great fight like Cotto and Margarito..Cotto did not do that, i have more respect for cotto then Mosley he fought how you suppose to..Mosley cheated through it.


and for some reason i called it right infront of everyone before the fight i said MOSLEY WILL HOLD AND GET AWAY WITH IT WHOLE FIGHT AND WIN ON DECISION WATCHH, that is the only way he could have won.


but for what it was worth, mosley gave us a good show, it was just too bad he cheated and got away with one sided clear victory, that was not really fear, but oh well..corrupt business, what surprises me is that neither Margarito or his corner saw it..don't they watch Boxing? Margarito did say that he could not gett Mosley off him that he kept hugging him, but that will not get you anywhere.


Mosley cheated? I saw him hold a bit, but he fought a perfect fight. Being rough and basically pushing Margarito around was nothing short of genius. He fought a very Hopkins like fight, except that he let his hands go much more. Mosley cheated? What side was basically trying to mold their hands into stone in the dressing room before the fight?

[Georgiano]

well if Margarito used something before in his hands we don't know, like we don't knwo if Mosley used steroids.

I like Mosley and like i said i would have done same thing..and YES he was holding and head butting and shoulder butting whole time..watch Cotto and Margarito, none of that took place and it was a great fight..this fight was very very one sided because Mosley turned into Bernard Hopkins and got away with it just like Bernard has gotten away with it his whole carrier.


Mosley was not just turning him he was turning him and holding him EVERY time inside, i am going to watch the fight again and give you numbers how many times he held inside, again yes you can hold sometimes, but you can't get away with it after 4 or 5th hold you should get a warning, then if you do it again point off..this will open up a fight which never happened in that fight, this is why he "dominated"
margarito.

Margarito has NO CHANCE outside to fight Mosley..Mosley is way faster more accurate puncher Margarito has only one chance to beat Mosley and that is inside..you take that away and you saw what happened.

I want to see the rematch and i want to see actual fight, not one sided cheating holding and getting away with it..like i said you have no idea how good you can be if you can get away doing that SEE BERNARD HOPKINS CARRIER.


I mean Tony takes so much punishment..at least let him punch back.


yes Mosley cheated and you can't tell me otherwise i have fight recorded and many people felt same way while watching it, blind fanboys of Mosley will celebrate, but if he was not allowed to fight that way i am not saying he would have gotten beat..but we would not have this one sided BS i saw..see cotto Margarito now that was a fight, this was a technical robery.

I have not felt this bad for a fighter since Bute got away holding with Andrade whole fight..wait you gonna say that was legit too eh?

[kdouglas12]

well if Margarito used something before in his hands we don't know, like we don't knwo if Mosley used steroids.

I like Mosley and like i said i would have done same thing..and YES he was holding and head butting and shoulder butting whole time..watch Cotto and Margarito, none of that took place and it was a great fight..this fight was very very one sided because Mosley turned into Bernard Hopkins and got away with it just like Bernard has gotten away with it his whole carrier.


Mosley was not just turning him he was turning him and holding him EVERY time inside, i am going to watch the fight again and give you numbers how many times he held inside, again yes you can hold sometimes, but you can't get away with it after 4 or 5th hold you should get a warning, then if you do it again point off..this will open up a fight which never happened in that fight, this is why he "dominated"
margarito.

Margarito has NO CHANCE outside to fight Mosley..Mosley is way faster more accurate puncher Margarito has only one chance to beat Mosley and that is inside..you take that away and you saw what happened.

I want to see the rematch and i want to see actual fight, not one sided cheating holding and getting away with it..like i said you have no idea how good you can be if you can get away doing that SEE BERNARD HOPKINS CARRIER.


I mean Tony takes so much punishment..at least let him punch back.


yes Mosley cheated and you can't tell me otherwise i have fight recorded and many people felt same way while watching it, blind fanboys of Mosley will celebrate, but if he was not allowed to fight that way i am not saying he would have gotten beat..but we would not have this one sided BS i saw..see cotto Margarito now that was a fight, this was a technical robery.

I have not felt this bad for a fighter since Bute got away holding with Andrade whole fight..wait you gonna say that was legit too eh?

Mosley was kicking Margaritos *** on the inside too, he was just too smart of a fighter for Margarito. Admit it! Great fighters change their gameplans when something is not working, Margo did nothing. I am a fan of Margarito, but he was just plain destroyed by Mosley in every aspect of the fight. Give Mosley some credit, he did to Margo what no other fighter has even come close to doing. And as far as Mosley using roids before the fight, thats just plain dumb, u dont think they tested him after the fight with the allegations that have been placed on him recently?

[shadio3]

^^^agreed kdoug...Dont lisen to that dude above, HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT THE FIGHT GAME.

boxing is about the sweet science. The art of hitand not get HIT....

btw HOPKINS IS THE BEST THERE EVER WAS....20 title defence clears his name as the best middle weight of all time. Moved up to LH and took that title. HE fought EVERYBODY and got robbed..the man was NEVER HURT and not even close to knocked down. Hopkins was never dominated in ANY FIGHT in his life except his very first fight.

in my time and ERA, i have a valid point as to WHY HOPKINS IS THE BEST THAT EVER DID IT. RAY ROBINSION comes in second.


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[Georgiano]

no you guys are just blind fan boys that's all, look you can't have it both ways.


"boxing is about the sweet science. The art of hitand not get HIT..."


yes hit but not get hit BUT YOU CAN NOT USE ILLEGAL MOVES.


if holding is part of the game then anyone should be able to hold anytime they want to without any warnings and hold as many times as they want to.

however holding is NOT part of the rules and has been ALLOWED sometimes especially if fighter is in trouble, excessive holding should get you a warning and eventually point taken away..this is the rules of the game is it not?


so if one person holds ALL the time inside not allowing other one to punch and NOT getting warned or have point taken away WHAT HAPPENS THEN? that means that other fighter was not given chance to hit inside.

like i said before Margarito has NO CHANCE fighting Mosley outside..of course Mosley will pick him apart..Mosley is better fighter from outside then Cotto..but BOXING IS NOT JUST OUTSIDE AND THEN HOLD..no BOxING IS inside as well SEE CASTILLO CORRALES FIGHT.

you telling me he was not holding every time inside? i have a freaking fight dude i did not do it , but like i promised i will watch and tell you how many times he held Margarito inside.

again listen to what i am telling you fan boys..Tony takes so much punishment..he is a big man but even then it takes toll..he takes this much punishment and he is not even allowed to operate where he SHOULD OPERATE..WHERE HE HAS ANY CHANCE TO WIN WHICH IS INSIDE.


it seems like you guys are fantasy boxing fans, you truly know nothing about Boxing and art of real science..THAT SAME DIRTY BLATANTLY GIVING ONE BOXER ADVANTAGE SCIENCE WILL HOLD NO WATER with honest ref who would have warned Mosley early on to open up a fight and let them punch each other. you know Margarito will still take punishment the way he fights..at least let him punch, do not let other guy hold him inside ALLLLL THE TIME, that is unfair my little fantasy boys, you can not do that.


i look at things little different then most people, i am as big of a Mosley fan as Margarito if not even more..but i look at the fighter after each fight, and after all i blame the ref because i would do the same if i got away with..BUT MY VICTORY WOULD BE TAINTED.


Just like pbf beat Hatton, yes he beat him, but hatton never had a chance with cortez, his rhythm was broken..that victory is TAINTED in my eyes..so is this one.


so please..just watch the fight, i am just surprised at inexperience of Margarito and his corner mentally, i would have long got into refs face..by 5th round Mosley would think twice wrapping his arm around Margaritos hand opposite to where ref was standing.



if Mosley is so much better fighter he has to avoid punches WITHOUT holding him, that is ILLEGAL..let me repeat ILLEGAL.



"And as far as Mosley using roids before the fight, thats just plain dumb, u dont think they tested him after the fight with the allegations that have been placed on him recently?"


i never said he used it on this fight, he may have used it before, but we do not know that, just like we do not know if Margarito was putting hard plastic around his hands..remember fight with Clottey? his hands were bloody after the fight, we know he did not have it that fight.


Bernard hopkins is the most overrated fighter of all time let me tell you.

he would never make it to this status without doing what Mosley just did to Margarito,
and sadly he got away with it his whole carrier, besides that he is a great fighter, but he is not legendary without his dirty tricks, which are allowed...which could easily be NOT ALLOWED in another country.

when you do something and are allowed..yet if you go to another country and it is not allowed..IT TAINTS YOUR STATUS.

[shadio3]

^^^yap yap yap.....excussesssssssssssss.

tell me something boxing fan, if hopkins held so much then why didnt the ref WARN huh. WHERE WAS THE WARNING FROM THE REF BOXING FAN??? Holding & turning is the way of the sport ding bat. IF a fighter is hurt YOU ARE TRAINED TO HOLD. HEll, if i was a fighter i would want to hold & illegal punch all day long (dirty boxing). Dirty boxing is art of boxing.......just like your boy castillo. Dont you think that everyone in the sports would like to try what hopkins does BUT THEY CANT. That aint easy what hopkins does to boxers.....if it was that easy almost every holder in the game would win like hopkins right???....your an idiot for thinking these fighters have no skill and all they do is hold..NO RESPECT for your words.

MARGARITO IS DONE....like myorga he was exposed and best belive he will get trampled from here on out. TO MANY SHOTS TO THE HEAD WILL DO THAT. You better pray he doesent get brain trama boxing fan

again, WHERE'S THE WARNING?????.....hahahhah. silly

shadio: true boxing fan

[Georgiano]

watching it again in details..margarito took tremendous Punishment and was nto allowed to throw back his punches like he should have been LEGALLY.


here is the break down

round 1 7 holdings 2 headbuts by Mosley

round 2 5 holdings 1 headbutt by Mosley this one Margarito complains but no warning again

round 3 4 holdings by Mosley Margarito still takes punishment but does dish out some as well.


round 5 4 holdings


round 6 3 holdings.. 2 headbutts Margarito appears tired,
he can not land any punches inside or out.



round 7 7 holdings..on 6th or 7th Margarito shoots a low blow he is annoyed by holding



round 8 5 holdings Mosley finally finishes Margarito before knocking him out in 9th

SO Margarito was held inside every time which was 36 times and got headd butted 7 or 8 times.

shadio don't act an actor..you an I both know what we are talking about when it comes to Hopkins dirty tactics..do not cover it up because you will be lying to yourself which is worse then lying to someone else.


commentators were so pro Mosley all they kept saying is "smart strategy hit and tie him up, don't let him throw punches"

yeah smart strategy when you do it 36 times not getting a warning even after you do it 20 times//20 Holdings and not even a severe warning???????????????????????



this is why it's tainted in my eyes..just as Bernard hopkins is tainted..he is not great, this is how he won through out his carrier, and he was allowed, no holding buddy you have to fight.

[kdouglas12]

Keep thinking that Mosley cheated, did Margarito say Mosley cheated after the fight? No. Because hes a man and knows he was soundly defeated, and admitted it. Quit whinning man, Margo got his *** handed to him, there hasnt been an arguement by the Margo camp on disputing the fouls during the fight, and there isnt even an article out there yet that has said Mosley won because he cheated. You know why cuz he didnt. Mosleys rough house tactics were simply showing Margarito who the boss was, and boy did Mosley do that.(lol)

[shadio3]

hahaah well the real CHEATERS ARE NOW GETTING SUSPENDED.....hahaha...CHEATERSsssss. I knew that the cotto fight felt way to weird. I hope to god cotta hasent taken to many fatel shots to the head. Margarito (your boy) is a done deal..now who really cheats

artical:boxing talk
MARGARITO AND TRAINER SUSPENDED
By Scott Shaffer

Past cases have resulted in jail time, lifetime suspensions


According to ESPN, Antonio Margarito and his trainer, Javier Capetillo, have been suspended by the California State Athletic Commission at least until a February 10th hearing on whether they tried to cheat by placing a "plaster-like substance" found on Margarito's hand wraps before he was stopped by Shane Mosley. The wraps were removed before Saturday's fight in Los Angeles. The California Commissio was quoted as saying, "the substance found in Margarito's hand wraps is currently being analyzed by the California Department of Justice. An investigation as to whether either licensee violated CSAC rules is ongoing." The scandal brings to mind boxer Luis Resto and trainer Panama Lewis who were suspended for life after Lewis removed the padding from Resto's gloves for amatch against Billy Collins in the early 1980s. Collins suffered a torn iris and permanently blurred vision, ending his boxing career, and he died nine months later, a possible suicide. Lewis and Resto were both found guilty and served over two years in jail. Lewis is known to illegally train boxers in Florida gyms but cannot work their corners.


shadio: true boxing fan

[Georgiano]

yeah how funny we call Margarito cheater and Fighters like Hopkins "one of the legends"..lol


Margarito is innocent, and that's that.

even if he had something illegal in there i am sure he did not know about it.


I rest my case about Mosley fight, 36 holds and 8 head butts, Margarito never had a chance.


anyone that takes punishment like that could be considered done not because they got suspended, but i don't think Margarito is done yet, he will fight Cotto, and if Cotto will and be allowed to do what Mosley did and what Hopkins has done all these years sure hw will beat Margarito too, if not then Margarito will beat him again.

[Prince Antdawg]

Georgiano you are one of the biggest nuthuggers I have ever seen lol.... When I see Margarito fans talking on boxingscene.com they don't even say Mosley cheated.....ffs Margarito got his butt whooped take it like a man. Btw Mosley wasn't just holding he was hitting Margarito on the inside. You also act like it was only Mosley holding...Margarito was also holding at times when they got close lol.

[nickelzdropdimes]

he annihilated him.... to the point people are thinking AM has been cheating his way to the top....

i dont think AM would fight mosely right away on a rematch...or it could be worse.....

[Georgiano]

i am not even a Margarito fan like that ..i am a boxing a FIGHTING FAN,i am a f an of warriors more then hold master boxers i admit, i am as much of a Mosley fan as Margarito..but i see how people fight and i evaluate them by my standards, what Margarito fans say on some forum is none of my business,
i have my own standards how fighter should fight and should be allowed to do.

yes i definitely want to see rematch, except Margaritos corner is nubs, they don't know how to play the game, you have to ref know when someone is holding you like that, when someone holds you like that 36 times in a fight..after 10th you should slam his *** on the floor, on 15th you should throw him on a roped and shoulder butt him or head butt him..corner should be all up in refs face about holding..this way when 8th round rolls around he will not be allowed to hold like its first round, you have to know how to play the game..Margarito or his corner do not know how to play this game and will be beaten by anyone who above average and knows how to work inside and get away with EXCESSIVE holding.


Margarito held maybe 5 times like 3 out of those 5 was when he was hurt.

[Prince Antdawg]

i am not even a Margarito fan like that ..i am a boxing a FIGHTING FAN,i am a f an of warriors more then hold master boxers i admit, i am as much of a Mosley fan as Margarito..but i see how people fight and i evaluate them by my standards, what Margarito fans say on some forum is none of my business,
i have my own standards how fighter should fight and should be allowed to do.

yes i definitely want to see rematch, except Margaritos corner is nubs, they don't know how to play the game, you have to ref know when someone is holding you like that, when someone holds you like that 36 times in a fight..after 10th you should slam his *** on the floor, on 15th you should throw him on a roped and shoulder butt him or head butt him..corner should be all up in refs face about holding..this way when 8th round rolls around he will not be allowed to hold like its first round, you have to know how to play the game..Margarito or his corner do not know how to play this game and will be beaten by anyone who above average and knows how to work inside and get away with EXCESSIVE holding.


Margarito held maybe 5 times like 3 out of those 5 was when he was hurt. slam him down??? Ref could take a point away from something as stupid as that. Holding is apart of the sport....deal with it ffs.

[shadio3]

georgiano=MEDIA FAN

dont lisen to this cat, he just want attention. He love boxers killing each other in the ring. You dont respect the sport......you dont respect the boxers...you just want good TV (media fan). Learn the sport and youll know how to be a real fan of boxing.

boooooooo, you know nothing about boxing....boooooooo, worrior, lol....this aint a video game where you make up your own fantasy boxing. booooooooooo....booooooo

boooooo him out the building. boooooo you for wanting boxers injured for reckless boxing. People like you are the reason so many boxers are brain dead. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE SPORT. Go do your homework on boxing..the great suga ray robinson always hold & turned his opponants (hopkins bases his stlye off). LEARN something about the sport MEDIA FAN...

VC/2k sports fan

[Georgiano]

"slam him down??? Ref could take a point away from something as stupid as that. Holding is apart of the sport....deal with it ffs."


it would not matter at that point, at least you are showing the ref why you are unable to fight and punch back.

and you have to do it early in a fight, so come 8th round you have a chance because other fighter is not getting away with dirty tricks like it is first round

i won't even answer this clown, all i am going to say is that i guess i am a true FIGHT fan, not a fan of scam fighting and cheat boxing (see Bernard Hopkins), I will be enjoying fight coming up this Saturday, i know none of those fighters will disappoint, i bet if i saw this clown on a street he would be running like a little ***** he, as his fighter choice must resemble him inside, I hate Cowards.


people like this clown is the reason why Boxing is dying, and that is the truth.

[Georgiano]

"Holding is apart of the sport"


Holding is part of the game? then why was Hatton not allowed to hold Floyd? then why is it that
Refs take points off boxers for holding?

if it's part of the game then one should be able to hold as much as they want to, and truth is that it is NOT part of the game..Moving around is part of the game..Moving your head side to side up and down is part of the game, Holding is not part of the game, they just allow boxers to hold when they are hurt, but in today's world everyone is allowed to hold for 10 rounds straight because they are cowards and do not want to fight like they suppose to..they have Ref bribed so ref won't do nothing (see latest example Andrade vs Bute).


Boxing is a dying sport because of this, because anyone really can beat anyone in a ring with right ref and game plan even if this plan includes illegal moves.


and Coward fans cheer for coward Boxers, this is why Boxing is dying.

[shadio3]

^^^comon man your a MEDIA FAN.

Ok, i guess your the type of person that will take a bullet to the head and die and say "I DID IT FOR MY COUNTRY"....lol, MEDIA, TV REPORTER FAN. IF you can sit hear call bernard hopkins a fake and him cheating his way to the top with 20 title defense without having any skill, HAHAHHAHHAA..SLAP yourself. NAW, i guess you just want attention. If i was in the street fighting somebody HELL YEAH im gonna cheat, thats the art of war.

oh, i cant wait to see cotto DESTROY YOUR BOY TONY......lol, media fan


shadio: true boxing fan

[Georgiano]

shadio3 listen you little clown, don't compare Boxing to War, Boxing is a fighting sport, when you get in a ring you damn well know what you getting yourself into, if you can cheat and win hey good for you..but don't expect to be called "legendary" by clowns like yourself, if i was a Media fan i would go along with this fake me out sport which we have which we call boxing, seems like you are the Media fan since you APPROVE
the dirty tricks , cheating tactics and bribe refs to win fights.


If cotto beats Margarito like he was beating him before he got knocked out good for him, but if he holds and uses dirty tricks which i doubt because Cotto is a world class warrior..not like Hopkins, then his victory would be tainted.

[shadio3]

lisen man, the greatest fight ive ever saw was the fight between bernard hopkins vs roy jones jr. If you watch that fight you see two TACTITIONS in the ring fighting. They barely touch each other because both were two skilled. I LOVE BOXING, when i say BOXING i mean real SKILL, slickness, defense.....SKILL...slip the punch....please watch sugar ray robinson and learn what boxing is. BERNARDS greatest win was against tito...hes the greatest in my book...roy is no longer great because he never learned the basics of boxing, he only depend on his reflexes

hey man, the refs are trained licenced for what they do.if hopkins hold, then where were the refs. Your a TV fan because your looking on the outside in. You have no idea what gos on in that ring....\

shadio: true boxing fan

[Georgiano]

again. watch the real fighters like Marquez who demonstrated in his last fight that yes you can beat the bigger man who is rushing you to bang you up inside WITHOUT HOLDING CONSTANTLY, Hopkins can not do that, to me Marquez is way above then Hopkins (prime time or not) in Boxing skill.

[shadio3]

again. watch the real fighters like Marquez who demonstrated in his last fight that yes you can beat the bigger man who is rushing you to bang you up inside WITHOUT HOLDING CONSTANTLY, Hopkins can not do that, to me Marquez is way above then Hopkins (prime time or not) in Boxing skill.

yeah, but look how damaged marquez was after the fight...lisen man boxing is worst sports to be in compared to other sports. Your a beer drinker fan, a media fan, someone who looks on the outside of boxing...you dont care about what boxing is nor do you care about the fighters. Marquez is one of the best mexican skilled fighters in the world along with his brother, but he still leaves his self open for big shots and he has been down in almost all of his fights....show it's cool to see him get back up, but in the long run hes only setting hisself up to get KO'ed perm...so you really havent proven anything. And you still think holdind, or should i say clinching is not a part of the sport....please do your history lessons on boxing.

shadio: true boxing fan

[Georgiano]

yeah, but look how damaged marquez was after the fight...lisen man boxing is worst sports to be in compared to other sports. Your a beer drinker fan, a media fan, someone who looks on the outside of boxing...you dont care about what boxing is nor do you care about the fighters. Marquez is one of the best mexican skilled fighters in the world along with his brother, but he still leaves his self open for big shots and he has been down in almost all of his fights....show it's cool to see him get back up, but in the long run hes only setting hisself up to get KO'ed perm...so you really havent proven anything. And you still think holdind, or should i say clinching is not a part of the sport....please do your history lessons on boxing.

shadio: true boxing fan



first of all I don't drink beer don't be talking sht like you know someone, second I know exactly what Fighters go through because i used to be a ring Fighter and i would probably Knock your *** out in 5 minutes without any Holding, it takes skill to Fight with in certain rules.

Cinching is part of sport, but Holding excessively and getting away with it right after you punch is not part of the Game..yes Marquez took some punishment, but his victory to me as a fighter and as someone who respects fighters for their bravery and Fighting (NOT HOLDING AND GETTING AWAY) stands far far far faarrrrrr higher then Bhop version of winning fight which is hold your way through and land punches in between, even if he is less damaged, I understand if someone wants to win that way, but don't be thinking you are a legend.
Marquez to me is far more Legendary then fake me out Legends like Hopkins even if Marquez gets knocked out.. that does not matter to me.
you either are a fighter a warrior with Honor, or you are fake and a Coward I wonder which one of these 2 is your category
you say I did not Prove anything, no I did not..it was Marquez who proved it for me that
you can win without abusing clinching and holding when you are been rushed by a bigger younger fighter, i would have no problem what's so ever if he did hold couple times..BUT HE DID NOT which made it even more worthy, he is a world class warrior and he has my respect, others not so much.

[shadio3]

first of all I don't drink beer don't be talking sht like you know someone, second I know exactly what Fighters go through because i used to be a ring Fighter and i would probably Knock your *** out in 5 minutes without any Holding, it takes skill to Fight with in certain rules.

Cinching is part of sport, but Holding excessively and getting away with it right after you punch is not part of the Game..yes Marquez took some punishment, but his victory to me as a fighter and as someone who respects fighters for their bravery and Fighting (NOT HOLDING AND GETTING AWAY) stands far far far faarrrrrr higher then Bhop version of winning fight which is hold your way through and land punches in between, even if he is less damaged, I understand if someone wants to win that way, but don't be thinking you are a legend.
Marquez to me is far more Legendary then fake me out Legends like Hopkins even if Marquez gets knocked out.. that does not matter to me.
you either are a fighter a warrior with Honor, or you are fake and a Coward I wonder which one of these 2 is your category
you say I did not Prove anything, no I did not..it was Marquez who proved it for me that
you can win without abusing clinching and holding when you are been rushed by a bigger younger fighter, i would have no problem what's so ever if he did hold couple times..BUT HE DID NOT which made it even more worthy, he is a world class warrior and he has my respect, others not so much.


lisen man, i spar with my uncle who was golden glove & im a gym rat...lol, your not knockin me out in 5 min bra, but i dont like yappin my mouth over the net because real heads dont do that or need to do that.......i care and respect what these fighters go through because i myself experience some of these grueling senerios these fighters experience day in & day out...boxing is a dangerous sport, posibly the most dangerous sport ever.....your dum, deaf & blind to not respect a true ring generalship master like hopkins. You talk about being in the fight game, whos your mentor AUTURO GATTI....and stop calling it holding

so your saying hopkins has no skill, hahahahahaahahhh............man do you know how many other boxers in the world would love to have a day in training with hopkins. The marquez fight, LOOOK how beat up marquez was after that fight....hell, he was almost clipped in the 2nd rd. Wouldent be surprised if after the fight marquez was ****ing blood. Marquez took alot of shots in the head in that fight and he doesent need many more fights like that. Hopkins has never been cut, wobbled, shackin, hurt in a match..hopkins can fight at 45 years old because he never took the damage..ELITE fighters are floor generals who have complete control over everything including the ref....who would you rather be in that situation??.....




shadio: true boxing fan