Franchise mode has a BIG bug.....

[Bahnzo]

From OS

All right, so Franchise Mode is looking a bit sketchy, at least at first looks.

I simulated through a season and one seriously odd trade happened (Ryan Howard and parts to Marlins for Josh Johnson and Ricky Nolasco and parts). But, otherwise nothing too crazy happened. Stats didn't seem too out of whack but saves seemed rather low and error numbers were out of whack to name a few oddities but I wasn't focused too much on stats.

I simulated through the off-season and went to the next season, only to notice that Manny Ramirez, Matt Holliday, Garrett Anderson, Griffey, Sheffield to name most of the major names who were FAs.

I then simulate to the next off-season and I notice:

Lincecum, Fuentes, Slowey, Percival, Blackburn, Smoltz, Homer Bailey, Kuo, Lindstrom, Mauer, (Holliday, Manny, G.Anderson Sheffield -- all still FAs from year before), Maybin, Conor Jackson, JJ Hardy, Tejada, Dukes, Kubel, Iwamura, Headley, Mora, etc.

All free agents.

Now, I haven't dug into this too much but it seems to stem from teams not having enough money. A quick look through the payrolls and every team either has at most 4 million in payroll or is in the negative in terms of funds. I don't know yet if this is because teams are overpaying or because the cap isn't going up enough, but it's certainly an issue either way.

You can control all 30 teams now so I suppose you could find workarounds, but just a heads up. I'm going to simulate again to see if it continues to happen.

2K needs to speak up about this and issue a patch ASAP. Not good news for franchise mode players......

[ccurry13]

I was afriad of something like this happening and tried to ask the developers about this possiblity but no else even considered it. Thus my question didn't get asked......

[CrazyCougar]

Isnt there usually an option to turn off a salary cap when setting up a franchise? It sounds as if maybe a salary cap option is turned on. Could be wrong, but thats what it sounds like.

[realsports]

Actually if we could get clarification on editing contracts, like you can do in NBA 2K9, would help ease some people's minds

[b-Dub]

It does seem like something to take note of. But, remember, the game isn't even out yet, so don't expect a patch next week. If there are any other issues, it'll be good to make sure those get found too, so they can fix multiple things in one patch.

Another thing to remember, it'll be at least a month before a patch. They have to identify the problems. Find out what piece of logic is causing the problem. Fix it. Test it. Then get the patch ready to submit and make sure it gets approved before it can finally be released. That won't happen overnight, so I don't want to see people exploding if a patch isn't out in the first couple weeks.

[realsports]

Well just heard on O.S that you can edit contracts and the years of players, so for those that like to take full control of your franchise there is away to avoid that issue.

[chad0034]

I don't know if I want to turn CAP off for my chise'. If you control only one team, is there a way around it.

[realsports]

I don't know if I want to turn CAP off for my chise'. If you control only one team, is there a way around it.

Doesn't sound like it, unless you choose the option to edit other teams players. Then you would still have to do work and go around an edit the years of the contracts on all the big time players on all the other teams.

So if you don't like full control and want the computer to make it right, you probably have to wait for the patch.

[ccurry13]

There shouldn't be a salary cap for baseball because real MLB doesn't have one. You should be limited by the amount of money that you pull in a season and not what your owner limits you to either. Like in 2k8 once you made it to $250 mil the owner would say "I am going to have to cap you at this level" or some crap like that.

I am afriad there will be a big issue with franchise and it will make or break this game for me. I only want the game to play franchise mode.

I'm not trying to start a war here but it will be nice if VC can get us franchise mode like the show has (40 man, waivers, and stuff) by next year. I just don't know if it is possible it took the SCEA a few years to implement it.

Here's hoping for the best and decent playable franchise mode......

[M. Bison12]

It does seem like something to take note of. But, remember, the game isn't even out yet, so don't expect a patch next week. If there are any other issues, it'll be good to make sure those get found too, so they can fix multiple things in one patch.

Another thing to remember, it'll be at least a month before a patch. They have to identify the problems. Find out what piece of logic is causing the problem. Fix it. Test it. Then get the patch ready to submit and make sure it gets approved before it can finally be released. That won't happen overnight, so I don't want to see people exploding if a patch isn't out in the first couple weeks.

Isn't there a group of people designated to do this before the game goes gold ? Man, I'm not even tryin' to be a smart ***. Does 2K Sports have beta testers ? Again, I'm not trying to be a smart ***, but it seems like we're the beta testers.

[JayBruce32]

Isnt there usually an option to turn off a salary cap when setting up a franchise? It sounds as if maybe a salary cap option is turned on. Could be wrong, but thats what it sounds like.

wait a second. Why would we have to alter a realism factor in the game because of a HUGE glitch?

[JayBruce32]

well this stinks. its a deal breaker pretty much.

WHY CANT THEY JUST MAKE A GAME CORRECTLY?

[CrazyCougar]

wait a second. Why would we have to alter a realism factor in the game because of a HUGE glitch?

How are you altering anything by turning on/off the salary cap? There is no salary cap in baseball so it should be off to begin with and it sounds like this guy either turned it on, or its on by default when st arting a franchise mode. I dont know. Thats just what it sounds like.

[JayBruce32]

why didnt the guy who wrote the dynasty journal on the Giants on ESPN mention this glitch? Thats weird to me. really bothersome. This is totally disheartening.

[Eamus Catuli]

its not the salary cap its just that every teams funds are too low because for some reason contracts are huge in the game..

[CrazyCougar]

Then how can a team only have 4 million left in payroll if there is no cap. God knows the yankees will spend all but a billion dollars a year in payroll while other small market teams are under 100 million. So how is it that say the Orioles and Yankees both have 4 million left in payroll when in fact it should be unlimited or the yankees. Thats what I dont understand.

[Bahnzo]

Don't think salary cap, instead think budget. Every team in the game has a budget, but they are out of whack with the free agents. There's a bug in the logic there somewhere that needs fixing.

And yeah, why wasn't something like this seen in testing. 2K either has terrible game testing procedures, or it was a known bug and was allowed to be released anyways because it was seen too late, or (worst of all) it can't be fixed.

2K needs to comment on this and assure us this will be fixed...not that their track record on either communication nor releasing patches is very good.

[JayBruce32]

Welp... if this bug stays in the game I'll have to pass. I guess this means no baseball for me this year unless I want to get a ps3 (and I don't.) I'm a franchise-only type of player. They went and broke franchise mode - ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE TOUTING AS "completely rebuilt" and "totally awesome."

Dang. I'm so dissappointed. I can't believe they screwed this up.

[CrazyCougar]

Ah, now budget explains it a lot better. But I still have to wonder why a team like the Yankees would only have 4 million left just like every other team in the league. Is this due to the AI signing its current players to ridiculous contracts at the end of the season? So basically the AI signs all the players it can until 4 million is left?

Just trying to understand this.

[CrazyCougar]

Welp... if this bug stays in the game I'll have to pass. I guess this means no baseball for me this year unless I want to get a ps3 (and I don't.) I'm a franchise-only type of player. They went and broke franchise mode - ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE TOUTING AS "completely rebuilt" and "totally awesome."

Dang. I'm so dissappointed. I can't believe they screwed this up.

Before jumping to conclusions that its screwed up I think VC should have a chance to speak on its own behalf and hopefully they will. So instead of throwing hands up int he air and starting to whine and moan again, lets be patient. The situation will be brought to the attention of the appropriate people I assure everyone.

Whats to say that this guy at OS didnt mess something up? Sure not likely. But no one has even considered that option.

[JayBruce32]

Before jumping to conclusions that its screwed up I think VC should have a chance to speak on its own behalf and hopefully they will. So instead of throwing hands up int he air and starting to whine and moan again, lets be patient. The situation will be brought to the attention of the appropriate people I assure everyone.

Whats to say that this guy at OS didnt mess something up? Sure not likely. But no one has even considered that option.


I understand but considering the track record........ if it quacks like a duck it usually is.

It was pretty predictable and i think a lot here know what I am saying. Just had a feeling something HUGE like this would go down and be poor enough to ruin the whole game. I was right I am very sorry to say.

We spend hours anticipating these games. Months, weeks. We wait for the day we can go out and spend money we shouldn't in these times to play the game and they produce something that is absolutely unacceptable. I apologize for throwing my hands in the air and expressing that I'm upset, but these are the reasons why. I was excited for it but at the same time I knew better. I hope you understand.

[CrazyCougar]

I completely understand and I will not disagree with 2K's track record at all. Over the past year since Ronnie has come on board we have been trying to right the ship that has pretty much been sunk over the years. I believe there have been many advancements in relations with the community and the correct action by 2K on this situation would only strengthen that for us.

I dont blame folks for being worried or upset. While the OS guys are good guys and very thorough about many thing, it is once again one man's opinions. So without pulling the fire alarm just yet, lets hold out for some word from 2K. I truly hope they look into this immediately and get back to guys ASAP.

[Chip101012]

And there's also the possibility that they shipped the game knowing the contracts were screwed up but plan on fixing it with a roster update on March 3. I'm disheartened, but I'm not freaking out just yet.

[Bahnzo]

Before jumping to conclusions that its screwed up I think VC should have a chance to speak on its own behalf and hopefully they will. So instead of throwing hands up int he air and starting to whine and moan again, lets be patient. The situation will be brought to the attention of the appropriate people I assure everyone.

Whats to say that this guy at OS didnt mess something up? Sure not likely. But no one has even considered that option.

He's gone back and redone it a few times, and it's the same every year, and get's worse every year also. More and more FA's are left unsigned after every season.

I'm hoping that VC is more responsive than the previous MLB devs have been in the past. But again, how was this allowed thru testing? Another post on the OS forum says that 2K Hockey has the exact same franchise bug and was never fixed. Makes you wonder.

[JayBruce32]

Cougar I truly hope you are right. Is there anything a mod can do as far as notifying 2K? or do you think they already know about this issue? (if so that is a good thing)

[CrazyCougar]

To answer your question. We can do both Jaybruce and I said, I will make sure the appropriate eyes see this and get this to the right folks. And they really may already know about this and I would hope so as well because then that would mean a fix is already in the works for some point in the near future.

[JayBruce32]

Good deal. Thanks for your help and I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best.

[ccurry13]

I wish VC would really address the issue as this is a huge problem for their "hardcore" users the franchise guy. One developer said that franchise was real important because the "hardcore" fan uses it (I think it was in the interview with G4TV if my memory serves me right.) An issue such as this will keep my $60 in my wallet because I am one of those "hardcore" fans.

[CrazyCougar]

I too enjoy franchise immensely and do not want to see this or experience this issue in anyway. I have put out a plea for help on behalf of the 2k community. So lets just keep our fingers crossed guys and hope for the best. I know its hard to do, and the whole community is gun shy of the MLB series, so this is something that VC and 2K need to address to gain your confidence once and for all.

[ccurry13]

Thanks for helping the little guy get their voices heard Cougar!

[MannybeinManny]

Yeah I don't see how they don't already know bout it so i'd hope a patch is already being prepared. Also I just want to be able to pick one team and get into my franchise. I don't like the idea of controlling all the teams?..don't get it really...it just doesn't make sense to me. usually teams don't cut guys do to their contracts this isn't football. They always try and trade them. And I don't see how teams keep running out of money. They all have a preset budget usually before you start and if you win then your budget usually goes up right?

[MannybeinManny]

Why's it have to be in this part of the forum....will enough people even see this here?



Opps nevermind thanks for puttin that note in the general forum crazycougar.

[pauman8112]

yeah, we appreciate the swift response cougar. just keep us updated, as many of us have been following these forums very closely for the last few days and weeks, and will follow them closely through march 3. just keep us updated on anything you hear from vc/2k. thanks

[kcxiv]

I think you kind of have to expect bugs n stuff. I think they said they built all this from the ground up. Like i posted in the complaint forums. I am sure this will be patched. I hope they patch something like this asap. It doesnt effect me 1 bit as i am not a franchise guy, but it's to bad this is happening.

Hopefully when we get our copies maybe tomorrow, i will test this out myself.

[MannybeinManny]

Yeah I'd also like to thank you cougar. You're very good with us customers and it seems like you really care bout the game as well. Now I'm just hoping there's a way to fix this without a patch and if not then I just hope the patch is out within a reasonable time, because I won't buy it the day it comes out if this is true and I wonder if a lot of other people feel the same. Not sure if it's true, but don't game companies judge the success of their game by how many people buy it the first week or so it comes out?

[CrazyCougar]

As much as folks want to think us mods are a bunch of stuck up ole tightwads, we're gamers too and want the best from a game. So trust me when I say we want the best for you guys and us. As kcxiv says, we'll check thsi out ourselves as well when we get our copies. (Hopefully tomorrow, but I am on the east coast).

Stay tuned folks. We, VC and 2K all want you to be proud to play this game.

[MannybeinManny]

I think you kind of have to expect bugs n stuff. I think they said they built all this from the ground up. Like i posted in the complaint forums. I am sure this will be patched. I hope they patch something like this asap. It doesnt effect me 1 bit as i am not a franchise guy, but it's to bad this is happening.

Hopefully when we get our copies maybe tomorrow, i will test this out myself.

Not tryin to sound like an a** or anything, but when did the day come we had to expect big bugs and gamebreakers like this :(? I just don't see how this gets past the game testers?...This has really turned my mood down lol...I was really lookin forward to gettin 2k9 tuesday and starting up a couple good franchises....

[realsports]

Well quite frankly I'm a HARDCORE FRANCHISE guy, and the fact that you can control all 30 teams makes this bug a minor issue for me. If it was back to the old days where we can only control 4 teams and could not edit players contracts, I'd be highly disappointed as well. Now, with total control, I'm alright.

Still bugs continue to be a issue with 2k games, especially those of the baseball variety

[kcxiv]

Not tryin to sound like an a** or anything, but when did the day come we had to expect big bugs and gamebreakers like this :(? I just don't see how this gets past the game testers?...This has really turned my mood down lol...I was really lookin forward to gettin 2k9 tuesday and starting up a couple good franchises....

Well considering they built this from the ground up and had probably less then 1 year to make this new franchise/sim engine, i expected something to be a little off. The reason why i expected it, is becuase all sports games are like that. I know some sports games, one of which was last year required not 1, but 2 patches and it was in its 20th year.


Anyways, i agree with everyone, stuff like this shouldnt happen, but i been gaming long enough to expect something to come out a little off. I been gaming since 1981. Just saying. lol

[CrazyCougar]

I think kc really refers to the fact that the day and age we live in now is all about getting the product to retail as quickly as possible since the option to patch something is now there for consoles. This was not a thing of past gaming consoles, and it seems as though companies do really take into account a certain percentage of bugs as acceptable. This one is fairly big, and how it got by testing can be anyone's guess. And maybe it didnt, but they have been working on a patch. I mean how great would it be to pop in the game on Tuesdau or Wednesday and receive an update that fixes it. (Not saying that will happen or even suggesting it ..... LOL!)

Its the age of gaming we live in. everything is patchable. Whether a company chooses to do so is a different story.

[Chip101012]

usually teams don't cut guys do to their contracts this isn't football. They always try and trade them.

Because contracts are guaranteed in baseball. The Giants could drop Barry Zito if they wanted to, but they'd still owe him every dime on that ludicrous contract. If teams in 2K9 are dropping players and the contracts are coming off the books, that's a major flaw. Baseball doesn't work like that. Unlike NFL teams, MLB teams actually have to honor the contracts they agree to.

For the record, though, I'm in the "don't freak out yet" camp.

[Chip101012]

This one is fairly big, and how it got by testing can be anyone's guess. And maybe it didnt, but they have been working on a patch.

Maybe I'm being naive, but I'm leaning this way. If it's something that can be fixed with a roster update the day the game comes out, then they could have just said, "F*** it, send it out and we'll fix it with an update right away." Maybe there were more important, less-patchable problems they had to focus on.

I don't know why I'm being an apologist for 2K, because I've been burned several times before, but I really think VC is proud of what they do and understand how important the contract system is. Especially in baseball. That's what I tell myself, because I don't have $500 to spend on The Show. :(

[pauman8112]

guys, i think this bug isnt a contracts bug, though the contracts do seem to be a bit off. it seems to be a payroll bug. for example the royals have a 40 mil pr, the yanks 215 mil pr, the mariners 110 mil pr, etc. those are those teams budgets, and the bug with this appears to me that the teams payrolls are dramatically reduced. most teams have 4 mil in room? the contracts arent too big, teams just dont have enought to sign them. thats where the bug lies, and im no computer programmer, but that seems like a pretty elementary fix. just up the payrolls up to normal amounts. then again, if it were such an easy fix, you'd think it woulda been cleaned up before launch... so who knows.

[pauman8112]

and last year their were more major issues at launch, ie the framerate being terrible, freezing, online lag, and it took around 3 weeks for a patch that only alleviated a little of the framerate, didnt fix the online lag, and fixed a few random things. so to say that they knew about this and would have a patch ready for day 1, thats seems overly optimistic to me.

who knows, maybe vc is better in this regard, time will tell. i sure hope they are.

[kcxiv]

lol, I dont know if anyone remembers, but Madden 09 had an official patch list before the game was released. Whats even wierder is the Developer started it as they knew they released the game when it was buggy. I am not saying VC did it that way, but i am almost positive something like this will get fixed. I just had to say that again :P

[pauman8112]

and madden is developed by whom?

[kcxiv]

and madden is developed by whom?

hah, Tiburon, though the guys working on it now seem to relaly want to make a good game. I hope they do. I am a big time football gamer. Just havent been much outside of APF 2 years ago :(

[MannybeinManny]

Yeah I'm done with Madden for now. The Franchise mode is officialy broke :( lol. Anyways yeah I myself wouldn't mind if they pushed the release date back till say round....mid May or so if they game would really and truly benefit from it. But if they still wouldn't fix anything then don't do it. I know it'll never happen though, because so many people would be totally ticked bout it.

Also I'm just trying to figure out what the bug really is? What's making these teams release these players like this? are the contracts unrealistic or the budgets? Also like Chip and i said there has always been a bug in the game where I can just release any player I want in the offseason no matter how many years he has left and not have to pay him. In baseball the contracts are guranteed so you should have to pay the guy out or figure out a plan to pay him as the years go on(doubt they'd put that in any sports game lol).

[MannybeinManny]

Also I know this might sound dumn, but what does it mean when you say you control all the teams? That doesn't sound fun to me...so you just make the decesions for every team? And when you say you can redo contracts or whatever does that mean you can just change any guys contract around to what you want even without that player having a say in it?...

[pauman8112]

no, i know in 2k8, if i release a player that is still under contract, i still have to pay him. that window pops up when you go to release him, says like "are you sure you want to release so and so, you will penalized x amount of dollars".

and regarding the bug, it seems that the bug is the teams not having enough money to sign the players. they aren't releasing them, just when their contract runs out, they cant resign him, nor can other teams, cause they simply cant afford it. if you notice the players they are talking about, it is players that are going to be free agents, not like they are releasing players under contract.

[MannybeinManny]

no in 2k8 i could release any guy under contract during the offseason and i wouldn't have to pay him a dime. try it out i promise you it's what happens.

also now i see what they mean...so the players contracts are up and nobody can sign them?

[pauman8112]

yeah, thats what it looks like to me, from how its been described to me.

[pauman8112]

oh during the offseason, i dont know about that. ive released several guys during the season, and i always have to pay. i havent released anybody during the offseason that i can ever remember.

[Chip101012]

if you notice the players they are talking about, it is players that are going to be free agents, not like they are releasing players under contract.

Didn't the guy say that, in the game, Lincecum was a free agent after 2010? That's a big mistake. In real life Lincecum isn't eligible for free agency until after the 2013 season at the earliest.

I agree with whoever said that they really need to take arbitration into account here. Bad players can be released, but good players are never, ever released within the six years of team-controlled service time.

[pauman8112]

no, im not saying that those players are going to be free agents in real life, im saying they are going to be free agents in the game. because they don't have arbitration in mlb2k9, then they have to make the contracts different, thus he's not on his 6 year contract, with 3 being arby years. in the game he is a fa after two more years, and hes asking around like 15 per, and no teams can afford it, cause the payrolls are messed up. so they did mess up the payrolls, and the player contracts, but the bug is regarding the payrolls only.

[agentzero]

they said u cant turn oof "salary cap" or budget. its gonna be there.

[Chip101012]

I think I get what you're saying, Pauman. I'm just frustrated over the fact that team control appears to have gone from six years to three because no arbitration program was implemented. Tim Lincecum should not be a free agent until after 2013. That's how baseball works, so that's how the game should work. And if you're going to play with a team like the Giants, you should at least know that you have Lincecum for years to come, even if you do have to keep giving him substantial raises in the arbitration process.

I know 2K9 isn't a sim game, and I don't really want it to be. But I do want young players under control for six years. That gives you an incentive to play with "bad" teams and try to rebuild.

/Mariners fan

[pauman8112]

yeah, im a mariners fan too, and i wish they had the arbitration process in the game too. young players under team control for 6 years, super 2's, all that stuff should be in the game. but i guess if they cant even make a decent franchise, how the heck can they add all that other stuff. lol. but yeah, only having a player under team control for 3 years, then you gotta give them the big multiyear deals if they are good players isnt how real mlb is run, so it makes us hardcore franchise guys wish for more realism.

[Chip101012]

Absolutely.

Here's to 2K/VC figuring out a way to fix this. I'm not much of a complainer -- hell, I managed to play 2K8 for six months and actually have some fun -- but this is something I'd really like to see fixed.

[pauman8112]

here here. and i am actually currently playing a game of 2k8 with my mariners franchise, in 2010.

[pauman8112]

and before i started my franchise, i went through the mariners farm system and created about ten or so of their actual prospects, with their abilities and potentials mirroring the real players. so triunfel is my starting ss in 2010, aumont is my number 5, clement is platooning with adam moore at catcher, and michael saunders is my 4th of. how do you like that one.

[MannybeinManny]

Yeah I like what you guys are sayin bout them addin arb. etc. It would really add a lot of realism to the game. It's still playable for me, but if they added this in 2k10 man I'd be so excited to play that!! also what do you mean by turn the budget off? So you'd just be able to spend whatever you want whenever you want? Sounds very unrealistic to me .....

[MannybeinManny]

Also I know this might sound dumn, but what does it mean when you say you control all the teams? That doesn't sound fun to me...so you just make the decesions for every team? And when you say you can redo contracts or whatever does that mean you can just change any guys contract around to what you want even without that player having a say in it?...

Just wondering if anyone knew anything bout all this stuff. I didn't want it to get lost in the thread, cause I'm kind of confused as to what all this stuff means. In years past all I do is pick my one team I want to be and the only time I messed with contracts is when they were up..

[pauman8112]

people are suggesting changing the contracts before you start a franchise, then when you get into your franchise, it wont be a problem. but i think it will still be a problem, cause there will be no activity in fa agent market. and yes, there is an option to control all 30 teams, where you control every team. to me that is no fun though, cause you are only competing against yourself, and every team would end up being equal. playing 1 team against all others is so much more fun

[MannybeinManny]

ah I gotcha...lol sorry if I sound dumb, I agree with you on the just controlling one team, sounds a lot more fun to me, but if other people want to control every team I don't mind either. I say put the power in the users hands. And yeah the contracts always seem to be pretty off etc., but I guess I can deal with that as long as they got the FA pool thing fixed. I could understand an older guy like....Smoltz, Griffey(just namin random names) bein left in the FA pool, but a Pujols or a Tim L. I think this was kind of a small problem in 2k8 to though wasn't it?

[pauman8112]

not in 2k8, i have never hand any big names stay in the fa pool during a season. by midseason, the best of's in fa are around 65.

[MannybeinManny]

When I got like 3 years or more into my franchise there'd always be big name guys left in FA pool. mostly pitchers. Maybe it was a little more then 3, but I had this happen a number of times. It'd be a guy round 84 or so and he'd be asking for 19 mil a year so nobody would sign him or just any pitcher asking way to much and nobody would offer it so he wouldn't sign. Sometimes I'd have Felix and many other young studs(probably round 27 when it happens) not sign and they'd be asking for an ungodly amount of money.

[pauman8112]

hmm, good thing i resigned felix while he still had a year left on his rookie contract. lol. cost me 6 years/ 10 per i think.

[baandje]

Actually if we could get clarification on editing contracts, like you can do in NBA 2K9, would help ease some people's minds
As Chase reported, contract years and dollar amounts can be edited. Also, there is no option to turn off individual teams' caps.

[baandje]

people are suggesting changing the contracts before you start a franchise, then when you get into your franchise, it wont be a problem. but i think it will still be a problem, cause there will be no activity in fa agent market.
Not necessarily. Depends on the game programming and what it is that's causing the issue. If the issue is that teams run out of money and can't sign FA's -- which is what Chase observed -- then one could lower all players' contracts, which should allow teams to have the extra money to sign FA's in the offseason.

[GhostRider]

As Chase reported, contract years and dollar amounts can be edited. Also, there is no option to turn off individual teams' caps.


Do you have to edit them before the Franchise actually starts?

I am looking forward to managing all teams in at least a few Franchises.

[jeffy777]

Sounds like this same bug is in NHL2K9 and hasn't been patched yet, according to the thread at OS.

This is not good news.....

:(

[puremvp]

Not cool, last year it was games just freezing in late innings.

this year it's free agency being messed up, you shouldnt have to control all teams to get it right

so this game went to a straight buy for me to a rental, untill this problem is fixed "nhl 2k9 has the same issue and was pretty much gone ignored so yeah"


2 simple questions, does 2k have beta testers? if they do why does it seem they miss big bugs each year?

[Mr.RedLeggs22]

How do you know about this glitch when the game doesn't come out till tuesday

[sfochs12]

they are talking about an early build that operation sports has, I think, no gaurantee its like this in the final game.

[puremvp]

They got the final copy yesterday.......it's the final build.

[Srhp29]

wait a second. Why would we have to alter a realism factor in the game because of a HUGE glitch?

What realism is that? The MLB salary cap?

[Srhp29]

I think kc really refers to the fact that the day and age we live in now is all about getting the product to retail as quickly as possible since the option to patch something is now there for consoles. This was not a thing of past gaming consoles, and it seems as though companies do really take into account a certain percentage of bugs as acceptable. This one is fairly big, and how it got by testing can be anyone's guess. And maybe it didnt, but they have been working on a patch. I mean how great would it be to pop in the game on Tuesdau or Wednesday and receive an update that fixes it. (Not saying that will happen or even suggesting it ..... LOL!)

Its the age of gaming we live in. everything is patchable. Whether a company chooses to do so is a different story.

It's called the M$ way of doing things. Micro$ is notorious for putting out bugged products knowingly because they can patch them later. Get used to it people. It's just the way software works.

On that note...I am sending in a fourth Xbox360 today due to the RRod issue. Doing a heck of a job MS. I love my working 360 though and keep a back up so I'm good.

[Skyflame21]

I love how many people bash the yankees organization for spending money. It just cracks me up. First off the Steinbrenners are at the bottom of baseball rich list (that would be the wealthiest owners). The top owner, in wealth, is Carl Pohlad of the Minnesota Twins. Second, and this is the MOST important, why is it the Yankees job to make the other teams better when the owners themselves don't want to make their teams better. The Yankees have already given into revenue sharing and many other fund sharing incentives. you know what the Yankees have... it's called history. People pay for that history, and baseball is the only business in sports that allows you to get better if your willing to get better. Stop blaming the Yankees because they are trying to make their team better EVERY season. Isn't that what we want from out favorite teams???? I'm not a Yankees... I am a Pirates fan and I wish that the Pirates would want to get better. Even if it's not buying the high priced free agent (C.C. Sabathia, etc) but atleast be willing to draft the top amatuer players and build like the Rays, A's & Royals (wait to see how good these guys get over the next few years).

[THUG-Z12]

lol, I dont know if anyone remembers, but Madden 09 had an official patch list before the game was released. Whats even wierder is the Developer started it as they knew they released the game when it was buggy. I am not saying VC did it that way, but i am almost positive something like this will get fixed. I just had to say that again :PYou're right about Madden 09. The sad thing about their patches was this: it still didn't fix the FREEZING Franchise Mode (like many complained after it was released), and people without XBOX Live (like me) was stuck with a BROKEN game, thanks to the Horrible Franchise mode.

To be honest, a game that retails for $60 should be sold without any flaws, especially when gametesters test/retest the games constantly to make sure it is suitable for play in every aspect. PATCHES aren't really a solution these days, for not evryone has XBOX LIVE; thus, if one buys the game with flaws, they are stuck -- like always and nothing can be done to remedy the problems.

For a product that retails for more than $60, I think it is sad and unaccepted for a company to even work on patches when they know a game is flawed. The best solution to deal with flaws is this: delay the game for a week or month, and release a PRODUCT THAT IS FREE FROM PROBLEMS -- and that's what 2K should do with MLB 2K9.

[JayBruce32]

yeah I have no way with my current setup to get on XBOX live I just remembered that.

Man VC and 2ksports really needs kicked in the nuts for this.

[Skyflame21]

I totally agree with that ^^^^^^^^^^

[JayBruce32]

Well and by far the worst part is VC concepts was here and there as was 2Ksports promising THE BEST FRANCHISE MODE EVERRRR. Obviously its not going to be. Someone needs to sit them down and tell them a few things:

1) Not all the people they're talking to and who are picking up their promises from various waves are children. Some of them are adults who will expect them to follow throw.

2) By promising the world and giving us a broken franchise mode, they've now burned a thing called trust. Now the only people who should believe them in the future are the children and adolescents who play the game.

3) Remind them of a simple, old school sales principle: "under promise & over deliver".

[realsports]

Do you have to edit them before the Franchise actually starts?

I am looking forward to managing all teams in at least a few Franchises.

Nope, you don't have to edit before going into franchise, you can edit and change contract years and salary in Franchise, from what Chase over at OS is saying. Which is the same thing you could do in NBA2K9( And I do often, to make sure the salaries fit for the players to stay on the team)

So while you may have unrealistic salaries and years to keep players on certain teams, you at least have correct rosters and don't have to worry about big name free agents not being picked up during the off season.

The only problem is it will require some time, and some people don't have time to do all those edits, so I can see why it's a huge problem to a lot of folks

[Sars3Shot]

Just to let u guys know the bug is fixed and the patch is available on release day. Sucks if u dont have internet but just ask a buddy or something. where there is a will theres a way.

[GhostRider]

Not cool, last year it was games just freezing in late innings.

this year it's free agency being messed up, you shouldnt have to control all teams to get it right

so this game went to a straight buy for me to a rental, untill this problem is fixed "nhl 2k9 has the same issue and was pretty much gone ignored so yeah"


2 simple questions, does 2k have beta testers? if they do why does it seem they miss big bugs each year?

I hardly think it is a major problem if the user can go in and fix things with very little effort

[2K Admin Ron]

Please check out my stuck thread on the general discussion forum. This has been resolved. Closing thread. http://www.2ksports.com/forums/showthread.php?t=208415