New Hope for a new 2k game by next year!

[Derrville]

http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/2009/03/05/eas-nfl-exclusivity-might-be-a-thing-of-the-past/

cool stuff

[nflhitman]

WOW!!! Great Find!!!!

That right there is the most hope I have seen for a new 2k football game!

[kjell1979]

Yeah I saw this too this morning. Though I'm not holding out much hope though. There are unfortunately still a majority of Supreme Court Justices that support big business, especially ones that would side with the NFL in this one. But sometimes the SC will surprise you every now and again.

[Kdrontle]

WOW! This sounds possible!!! I think I'd go ballistic with joy if 2k makes a new football game this year! I would struggle to find the motivation to do anything else... It would be awesome! :)

[DonVCorleone]

i dont trust sites i dont visit frequently.

just copy the article & paste it here

[nflhitman]

The day EA signed a contract with the NFL for Madden to be the only NFL sanctioned football game was a sad day for gamers everywhere. While the Madden franchise hasn’t disappointed too much over the years that it has truly been the only game in town, it still cuts back on the variety and choice of games one can pick-up that involve the NFL. Plus, some of us just randomly hate Madden and would really like to have the option to play something else. I’m not naming names here, but let us just say his first name is M_tthew and his last name is _azak.

Well now Mr. _azak finally has some hope that he can once again enjoy the NFL outside of EA’s grasp. GamePolitics is reporting that a new case in the supreme court may make EA’s exclusive NFL rights illegal. The case is American Needle vs. New Orleans Saints, et al. and should the court side with American Needle it would put EA (and Take-Two, who has exclusive third-party rights to MLB) in violation of federal antitrust statutes. In layman’s terms it means they would be seen as attempting to make a monopoly, which, outside of board games, is very illegal.

A blog that follows the supreme court called SCOTUSblog, lays it out for us: The NFL used to license American Needle to sell hats that bore the logos, the names or other insignia of pro football teams… But, in 2000, the NFL opted to solicit bids for an exclusive license to produce caps and other headwear. Reebok won the bidding, and in 2001 got an exclusive ten-year license. American Needle’s license was not renewed. So it sued the NFL, all of its teams, NFL Properties, and Reebok. American Needle’s case was thrown out by lower courts… “The [Supreme] Court has stated, on more than one occasion,” American Needle asserted, “that application of the Sherman Act to professional sports teams is wholly consistent with Congressional intent…”

This is basically what happened to 2K Sports when EA signed its exclusivity deal with the NFL. Thus if it is illegal for the NFL to do it with clothing than it is illegal for them to do it with games too. GamePolotics also reports that this case has been brought up multiple times in the class-action lawsuit Pecover vs. Electronic Arts. So this case is definitely on EA’s radar.

[Codenamemighty]

Good Find..but even if the courts rule against EA Sports there is still no time I think to start production a a New Football game this year..Maybe next year

[Overthemiddle]

This is our only real hope of ever seeing quality NFL , NCAAA and MLB games again.
Pray for this to come true.

[ElGreazy78]

Well, one thing you have to remember is EA probably has some BIG TIME lawyers, especially if they were able to lock up an Exclusive Rights deal to begin with. With that said, I still wouldn't expect a new 2K football game until probably a season cycle after the deal is ruled void, and that is, if that ever happens.

So what, maybe NFL 2K11?

[badasp83]

Please let the Supreme Court make a (right) decision by June.
That way 2K (& VC) would have a good year to make 2K11!

[kjell1979]

Well, one thing you have to remember is EA probably has some BIG TIME lawyers, especially if they were able to lock up an Exclusive Rights deal to begin with. With that said, I still wouldn't expect a new 2K football game until probably a season cycle after the deal is ruled void, and that is, if that ever happens.

So what, maybe NFL 2K11?

It's not the big time lawyers they need but the big time lobbyists to influence the selection of these Supreme Court Justices.

[Fruity Gamer]

I have a strong feeling that we'll see another football game from TTWO sooner than expected..

[THUG-Z12]

I hope it's true and all gaming companies start making the same genres of sports games. That'll be great.

[NYG 5]

its sad how madden sucks with the nfl license and 2k sucks with the mlb license

[Alai]

This might not actually hurt EA only. They will also be able to produce MLB games if they rule in favor of non-exclusivity deals. I'd love to see the days of competition of NFL and MLB once again. It'll be a win-win for us consumers. Yay!

[WdnUlik2no]

I doubt the Supreme Court will do anything; but I'm holding out hope. If EA-holes get to keep the exclusive license, then oh well; I'll just continue to not by their games. I haven't gotten an EA sports game since Madden/NCAA 06 and I plan to keep that streak alive.

[Overthemiddle]

The bottom line is that there has not been one single positive thing to come out of these licensing deals for consumers it has all been bad all the way for every one who enjoys sports video games weather you like 2K or EA every gamer out there has been hurt by these deals for the last 4 years.

This kind of action is way over due , these exclusive license deals REMOVE PRODUCTS FROM STORE SHELVES AND ELIMINATE JOBS,as proved by 2K quitting Football and EA quitting Baseball because of them.
Not to mention the PRICE FIXING aspect of all of it.

What these sports leagues need to do is to set thier rules and set their price for use of the license and work off royalties and with more games on the market and more games sold overall you would make just as much if not more and have better more inovative competing products to represent your league.
Win Win for everyone except game developers who now have to actually try and make a good game in order for it to sell and can't keep simply going on with weak full priced expansion pack roster updates.

[Kdrontle]

The overall sales of sports video games RISES without exclusivity licenses because everyone gets to choose what they want. People are more willing to pick the best out of the bunch instead of the one game... especially with a negative history!

[NTq]

If Take-Two was trying to monopolize on MLB game's, they wouldn't have allowed Sony to continue to make their game (MLB: The Show) They only did it to stick it to EA. I haven't bought or played a MLB game (outside of demo's) since MVP 04, but I've heard before that that the espn baseball was the best, but now the show is.

[NTq]

Also, what if 2K is anticipating a win and they are already developing a nfl game or at the very list, using the apf engine and just changing everything to nfl and then really making the change next year?

[Overthemiddle]

Just go back and look at total NFL Football games sold in 05 compared to 09 , it's not even half.

Not to mention there were other games besides 2K and EA like Gameday , NFL Fever , QB Club.

And as shocking as it may seem some people do actually buy more than one game if it is available to them and removing products from the market is bad for the market and bad for product quality and innovations.

[nflhitman]

Just go back and look at total NFL Football games sold in 05 compared to 09 , it's not even half.

Not to mention there were other games besides 2K and EA like Gameday , NFL Fever , QB Club.

And as shocking as it may seem some people do actually buy more than one game if it is available to them and removing products from the market is bad for the market and bad for product quality and innovations.

When you do that you need to go through all the years not just 09 because the Economy has a lot to do with it also.

[Overthemiddle]

When you do that you need to go through all the years not just 09 because the Economy has a lot to do with it also.

Actually 09 did better than 7/8 so much for that theory.

In 05 nearly 3 times as many total NFL licensed games were sold across all platforms as did in 09.

I don't have time to dig those stats up again but they are there.

[GhostRider]

Yeah I saw this too this morning. Though I'm not holding out much hope though. There are unfortunately still a majority of Supreme Court Justices that support big business, especially ones that would side with the NFL in this one. But sometimes the SC will surprise you every now and again.


I wouldn't say that whether a justice supports big business or not is definitely an issue, and I'm not sure that the justices involved are overtly for big business anyways(although I really donm't know to that detail..I can tell you how they'd rule or have ruled on many things, but I'm in th edark about this)

I would say that Scalia and Thomas will rule against EA..Don't know about the rest

[GhostRider]

If Take-Two was trying to monopolize on MLB game's, they wouldn't have allowed Sony to continue to make their game (MLB: The Show) They only did it to stick it to EA. I haven't bought or played a MLB game (outside of demo's) since MVP 04, but I've heard before that that the espn baseball was the best, but now the show is.


It had nothing to do with allowing, it was just the way that contract got worded.2k probably didn't push for a TOTALLY exclusive license like EA probably did tho'.....

[VC80]

There has been, in fact, ONE GOOD THING to come out of the exclusive licensing deal: the best football video game ever made - All-Pro Football 2K8!


Total customization is the answer for the next 2K football game.



The bottom line is that there has not been one single positive thing to come out of these licensing deals for consumers it has all been bad all the way for every one who enjoys sports video games weather you like 2K or EA every gamer out there has been hurt by these deals for the last 4 years.

This kind of action is way over due , these exclusive license deals REMOVE PRODUCTS FROM STORE SHELVES AND ELIMINATE JOBS,as proved by 2K quitting Football and EA quitting Baseball because of them.
Not to mention the PRICE FIXING aspect of all of it.

What these sports leagues need to do is to set thier rules and set their price for use of the license and work off royalties and with more games on the market and more games sold overall you would make just as much if not more and have better more inovative competing products to represent your league.
Win Win for everyone except game developers who now have to actually try and make a good game in order for it to sell and can't keep simply going on with weak full priced expansion pack roster updates.

[Overthemiddle]

Yeah and the best Football game ever made was gimped because of these licensing deals and it would have been light years better if they had been able to fully develop the game yearly for 06 and 07.
The game we got was a gimped 2K6 we can only imagine how godly 2K8 would have been if they had been able to continue working on the game instead of abandoning it for those 2 years.

Not one single positive thing has come out of those deals , they are bad for the gaming industry and bad for for consumers all around.

[NYG 5]

yeah. the exclusive nfl license goes to the worst football developer out there, and then 2k takes the mlb license and then makes the game over complex with stupid features, akin to madden.

[zhaoyun707]

yeah. the exclusive nfl license goes to the worst football developer out there, and then 2k takes the mlb license and then makes the game over complex with stupid features, akin to madden.

Games who buy Sports License are forever cursed to suck.

[DonVCorleone]

either buy madden or suck it up and play 2k8 until *hopefully* 2013 when the deal expires

[Overthemiddle]

either buy madden or suck it up and play 2k8 until *hopefully* 2013 when the deal expires

wow what brilliant insight please tell us something else we don't know

[DonVCorleone]

wow what brilliant insight please tell us something else we don't know

it is what it is, sport.

just accept reality and understand that there is NOTHING you, me or anyone else can do.

its a freakin videogame. when its time for 2k to release another game they will, until then ill just look forward to madden 10.

thank god mlb the show 09 has come out. i have something else to play!!

to the unemployeed with no money & the children......its time to get a ps3.
the 360 has peaked(that was fast and went unnoticed...lol) and worn out its welcome

[MorningGlory]

lol. You could give me a ps3 and I wouldn't touch it.

I don't play baseball games, so The Show means absolutely nothing to me.

I don't care for God of War. I played MSG 4 at my friend's place and it is overrated as hell and it's practically a movie. He wants to trade it in, lol. Killzone is so lame; it does look really good though.

The only ps3 exclusive I have ever cared about was Tekken and guess what? It's coming to the 360 this year.

And I'm didn't even mention how there are very few multi-platform games that run/look better on the ps3 than the 360 because developers are still learning the blu-ray technology. In a 3 or 4 years, it will be the way to go. But not right now buddy.

Oh, and how could I forget about Live vs PSN. 360's online network takes a big dump on Sony's online network. This factor isn't even an argument, sport.

But yea, if you like ps3's originals than obviously it's for you. But if they aren't then get a 360.

Put it this way, if they made all the ps3 exclusives multi-platform, there seriously isn't one that I would buy. And obviously you feel the same way about 360.

It's all opinion, sport.

Although, it is fact about the online networks . . .

[DonVCorleone]

lol. You could give me a ps3 and I wouldn't touch it.

I don't play baseball games, so The Show means absolutely nothing to me.

I don't care for God of War. I played MSG 4 at my friend's place and it is overrated as hell and it's practically a movie. He wants to trade it in, lol. Killzone is so lame; it does look really good though.

The only ps3 exclusive I have ever cared about was Tekken and guess what? It's coming to the 360 this year.

And I'm didn't even mention how there are very few multi-platform games that run/look better on the ps3 than the 360 because developers are still learning the blu-ray technology. In a 3 or 4 years, it will be the way to go. But not right now buddy.

Oh, and how could I forget about Live vs PSN. 360's online network takes a big dump on Sony's online network. This factor isn't even an argument, sport.

But yea, if you like ps3's originals than obviously it's for you. But if they aren't then get a 360.

Put it this way, if they made all the ps3 exclusives multi-platform, there seriously isn't one that I would buy. And obviously you feel the same way about 360.

It's all opinion, sport.

Although, it is fact about the online networks . . .

the online networks are the exact same thing.
the GAME COMPANIES run the servers, not ps3 & 360.
xbox ran servers when the reg xbox came out......remember ea wouldnt make any games for online cause they wanted to host on their own servers!?

all you have on me is that your download times for demos etc is WAY FASTER. i have free wifi and a usb flash drive that isnt "playstation propriety" like everything M$ makes you have to buy their products for it to work.

and your reasoning for "And I'm didn't even mention how there are very few multi-platform games that run/look better on the ps3 than the 360 because developers are still learning the blu-ray technology. In a 3 or 4 years, it will be the way to go. But not right now buddy."
^^is totally false

game companies make multi platform games for 360 then port to ps3 as if they make them for ps3 & port then the 360 would lose a lot of features.
remember NOT every 360 has a hard drive. NOT every 360 has hdmi for 1080p picture.

that little 9gb dual layer dvd9 disc cant hold a candle to the 50gb dual layered blu ray disc

why do you think that every "ps3 exclusive game" destroys anything youve ever seen on 360!? :eek:

inferior hardware of the rushed 360 is holding this generation back.

[Kdrontle]

Don you have to remember the cost of the PS3 when arguing about it too. You are slapping down at least another 100 for one. The argument would go much farther if the prices were even, but they aren't. Along with that I think many of us got a 360 when they first came out and that was before the PS3. I doubt people would trade in a game system for 1/4 its value and pay for the more expensive one. Preaching to the wrong crowd.

[DonVCorleone]

Don you have to remember the cost of the PS3 when arguing about it too. You are slapping down at least another 100 for one. The argument would go much farther if the prices were even, but they aren't. Along with that I think many of us got a 360 when they first came out and that was before the PS3. I doubt people would trade in a game system for 1/4 its value and pay for the more expensive one. Preaching to the wrong crowd.


yeah i hear that on trading in the system. i think its only worth like 60 bucks at gamestop. :rotfl:

the ps3 is going down to 299 within a month so thats good news
plus you get an 80gb hard drive, wifi (100 extra for xbox) and free online play (50 for xbox) :thumbsup:

its like buying a cheaper dlp vs a lcd/plasma

yea the dlp is cheaper but youre replacing that 200 bulb every 3000 hours so in the end it costs more
the lcd/plasma costs more upfront but itll last you 25000 hours (15 years)

[merv-illest]

Don you have to remember the cost of the PS3 when arguing about it too. You are slapping down at least another 100 for one. The argument would go much farther if the prices were even, but they aren't. Along with that I think many of us got a 360 when they first came out and that was before the PS3. I doubt people would trade in a game system for 1/4 its value and pay for the more expensive one. Preaching to the wrong crowd.

I have both systems, and guess what my 360 has cost way more in the long run.

3 years of xbox live = $120
2 charge kits or batteries = $40 plus
Wifi = $100

PS3 is cheaper lol

[kcxiv]

it is what it is, sport.

just accept reality and understand that there is NOTHING you, me or anyone else can do.

its a freakin videogame. when its time for 2k to release another game they will, until then ill just look forward to madden 10.

thank god mlb the show 09 has come out. i have something else to play!!

to the unemployeed with no money & the children......its time to get a ps3.
the 360 has peaked(that was fast and went unnoticed...lol) and worn out its welcome

360 may have peaked, but the PS3 isnt much better at all. Potential doesnt mean much if you cant fullfil it. I have both systems, but i dont see the PS3 as being that much better. 360 for me still gets all multi plat games first. Though i did get SF4 for the PS3 because my xbox was red ringed, but its back now. lol

[Overthemiddle]

I would rather buy a $200 stand alone Blu Ray player than a $400 PS3 just to play a couple of games the 360 does not have.
If Sony could get that insane $400 tag down to $300 I would buy one today , and no I am not jumping though a bunch of credit card sign up hoops to get a deal on one.

What was this thread about again? lol

[ElGreazy78]

I've seen so many people drop the PS3 in the last year or two to switch over to the 360 because of lack of game-patches/content for 3rd party games.

In all honesty, the only thing the PS3 had going for it was the Blu-Ray player but even that isn't a "necessary" technology at this point. Plus, with the economy the way it is, I doubt many people are going to be dumping their ubiquitous DVD players for a new form of technology that isn't even "stable". And what I mean by stable is that downloadable, transferable & portable content (music, photos, videos, etc) is the wave of the future/now. You see it everywhere: iPods, mp3 players, massive external hard-drives, downloadable games, etc; people are sherking "physical" media for quicker & cheaper alternatives. To counter the loss of the new format wars, MS signed with Netflix so the option to a consumer looks like this: Blu-Ray player & more costly Blu-Ray movies or DVD player with streaming movies & a massive cataloge of DVDs.

The other thing PS3 had going for it was backwards compatibility to take advantage of their HUGE PSOne & PS2 library, but they scrapped that after the 3rd or so version of the PS3. The 360 does have limited b.c. but at least it's there.

People claim the 360 is more expensive in the long run, which may be true, but MS has done a great job of making what you pay for worth it. 3 red lights? MS gives you a free 3-yr warranty upon purchase of the system. Xbox live costs money? Most people would gladly pay for dedicated, well tested servers instead of the erratic PS Network.

Not defending one system over the other, but to say the 360 "peaked" or the PS3 is king is far from accurate.

[Kdrontle]

I kind of like how xbox live is set up. I feel like having a monthly fee can be a good thing for someone like me who exclusively plays online. I don't play offline games, period. If online is shaky, I don't play games. That being said, Xbox live has some great online servers and features which I really enjoy and have no complaint in paying for.

I can't really comment on PS3's online capability too much because I haven't played one. Maybe it is equal, I'm not sure, I just know I really like xbox live. I also have a really crappy old projection TD. Graphics really don't hold much weight on it so I'm not someone who gets to enjoy superior graphics on a lot of games at this point. I really play for the online gameplay.

$299 for a PS3 is tempting if my 360 ever breaks down... I'll have to consider that when I get there.

I bought my 360 off ebay for about 240 if I remember correctly. 3 games 2 controllers. It was a fairly good deal, but the guy sending it was a retard. Bad memories :) Anyway I'm on an original console and it's worked great.

[ElGreazy78]

Well, here is some possible insight that there will not be a 2K football game this year.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6205850.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1

Looking ahead to that year, Take-Two executives revealed the Timbaland (http://www.last.fm/music/Timbaland)-produced PSP game Beaterator--first announced in March 2007 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6167420.html)--will finally arrive this summer. The season will also see 2K Sports release The Bigs 2 from Dead Rising 2 developer Blue Castle (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6204354.html), followed by NBA 2K10 and NHL 2K10 in the fall. They also confirmed Borderlands, Mafia 2, BioShock 2 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6205736.html), Red Dead Redemption, and the second GTAIV 360-exclusive expansion would all arrive before Halloween.
It doesn't really say anything about any other games coming out, but then again, they were just mentioning the big name titles. Oddly enough, NHL doesn't sell, yet 2K keeps churning them out.

[BigM12]

Well, here is some possible insight that there will not be a 2K football game this year.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6205850.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1


It doesn't really say anything about any other games coming out, but then again, they were just mentioning the big name titles. Oddly enough, NHL doesn't sell, yet 2K keeps churning them out.

Not surprising. 2K apparently thinks Madden is too much to try and bring down, but NHL 09 isn't. ***...

[GoodSense]

EA is only still in existence because of player insistence of supporting a game ONLY IF NFL players are in the game. Remove that clause and EA would not have the exclusive deal, because a very creative studio would already have put out a much better game than any put out. Support means going out and buying it and waiting for prices to drop. It might be $10 less than an NFL licensed game, but so what. If the game simulates the real game, provides patches, provides communication, provides nice gameplay then it sounds like football. I'm talking franchise and all.

Gamers need to make game experience the top priority over the stars in the game.

[nflhitman]

Well, here is some possible insight that there will not be a 2K football game this year.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6205850.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1


It doesn't really say anything about any other games coming out, but then again, they were just mentioning the big name titles. Oddly enough, NHL doesn't sell, yet 2K keeps churning them out.

We have already went over this LOL. Does it show that MLB 2K9 will be made either? They just listed some games, Not all of them.

[DiDy0uSeeME]

man, i really hope 2K makes another football game
(*getting an Xbox 360 Elite rather soon, selling it on Ebay/trading in my PS3 around May or June*)

[midwaymonster]

It would be a great surprise if 2K releases an APF game with generics and a franchise this summer. I'd be happy until the NFL/EA exclusive deal expires.

[DonVCorleone]

i dont think anything is going to happen with a game.

maybe i just need a break from almost 2 years of the same game with NO DEVELOPER SUPPORT for the past 18 or so months.

i, like 99% of the rest of the forum, are a football agming man 1st THEN everything else.
the only time i play "everything else" is when i need a break from online football gaming.

hey on a side note, i got my mojo back in RSV2 for all the fps guys out there

[ElGreazy78]

Okay, so after playing NCAA College Hoops 2K8 (long enough name?), I am really ****ed at 2K for what the lack of effort put into APF.

Simply put, College 2K has a S#!T load of game-editing options. You can create players (they have more CAP personalization options from facial & body hair to body builds to equipment) & create teams: choose colors, logos, chearleader uni's, mascots, coaches (fully editable), and even choose all the colors for the stadium/court. On top of that, they have Create-A-Chant, playbook creation, play creation, etc. In game modes are pretty robust as well. Legacy (franchise), online, offline, tutorials, mini-games, etc.

But the most important things they have is a fully customizable roster and fully sharable content. If you want to go in and edit, say, Texas, you can literally change everything about the team (minus logo color due to 1st party rights) from the players, how they look, their abilities/attributes, their personal info, and all the creation options stated before that goes to any create-a-team.

On top of that, after all that hard work has been done you can post them on 2K Share so people can share and swap anything from rosters, sliders, user settings, chants, to Legacy/Dynasty files. On top of that, users can rate them so you, as a gamer, don't have to shift through crap files. I literally just jumped into the menus and downloaded fully rendered rosters for both the 08 & 09 seasons within 2 minutes.

Let's get this out there: I'm not a basketball fan, and an even lesser fan of college sports, but this game is actually pretty addicting, and for $13, why not? 2k simply packaged an amazing gameplay engine with near-full customization to open the game up completely. It goes to show that having a game full of Generic James' isn't so bad after all if the gameplay is tight & there is room for user expansion to grow the game further. Sports games don't change much from year to year except for a roster, why not go with that and sell a game that can have a longer life cycle & cost the developer less in the long run?

[Overthemiddle]

This is the real catch 22 and the reason they won't make a game.

They are no longer simply able to update the roster and spit shine an old game engine and sell it for full price every single year.
They have to make real meaningful improvements that require actual work something EA never has to do because the license alone sells the game.
And when you do the math it does not add up for them , they have to expend more R&D than EA does to make a quality game and see a fraction of the sales in return.
Maybe if they had not outright abandon the 2K series after lowering the price of 2K5 to $20 to boost the fanbase they could have kept much of that fanbase and tried to keep momentum going.
Instead they just quit outright for 2 full long years when they could have easily made a fully custom game the very next year because they were too afraid to do anything without the NFL security blanket.

Expect nothing and you will not be disappointed , how anyone can expect anything from them at this point is beyond me.
Zero news , zero communication with the community for over a year now , no mention of anything or even simple fixes for the current game.
We are just hung out to dry twisting in the wind.

[DonVCorleone]

This is the real catch 22 and the reason they won't make a game.

They are no longer simply able to update the roster and spit shine an old game engine and sell it for full price every single year.
They have to make real meaningful improvements that require actual work something EA never has to do because the license alone sells the game.
And when you do the math it does not add up for them , they have to expend more R&D than EA does to make a quality game and see a fraction of the sales in return.
Maybe if they had not outright abandon the 2K series after lowering the price of 2K5 to $20 to boost the fanbase they could have kept much of that fanbase and tried to keep momentum going.
Instead they just quit outright for 2 full long years when they could have easily made a fully custom game the very next year because they were too afraid to do anything without the NFL security blanket.

Expect nothing and you will not be disappointed , how anyone can expect anything from them at this point is beyond me.
Zero news , zero communication with the community for over a year now , no mention of anything or even simple fixes for the current game.
We are just hung out to dry twisting in the wind.

i love you! :cool:

[nyknicks33]

I can't really comment on PS3's online capability too much because I haven't played one. Maybe it is equal, I'm not sure, I just know I really like xbox live. I also have a really crappy old projection TD. Graphics really don't hold much weight on it so I'm not someone who gets to enjoy superior graphics on a lot of games at this point. I really play for the online gameplay.

$299 for a PS3 is tempting if my 360 ever breaks down... I'll have to consider that when I get there.





I cant justify owning 2 consoles, but I have already made a vow to myself that if I get the RROD one more time...im done with xbox.

Ive had 4 360s(Best Buy Product Replacement Warranty Rules) one got stolen, the other 2 RROD'd within 9-12 months.

As much as I love XBox Live and the online gaming network I have on it, If this one does the same thing, I'm out and I'm going PS3.

[DonVCorleone]

I cant justify owning 2 consoles, but I have already made a vow to myself that if I get the RROD one more time...im done with xbox.

Ive had 4 360s(Best Buy Product Replacement Warranty Rules) one got stolen, the other 2 RROD'd within 9-12 months.

As much as I love XBox Live and the online gaming network I have on it, If this one does the same thing, I'm out and I'm going PS3.

t-minus 60 days :dance:

[RockCh4lk]

I cant justify owning 2 consoles, but I have already made a vow to myself that if I get the RROD one more time...im done with xbox.

Ive had 4 360s(Best Buy Product Replacement Warranty Rules) one got stolen, the other 2 RROD'd within 9-12 months.

As much as I love XBox Live and the online gaming network I have on it, If this one does the same thing, I'm out and I'm going PS3.

Yeah RROD sucks, but I don't understand the big complaints. I mean they fix it for FREE and pay for your shipping even. I have had it 4 or 5 times, I'm not sure lol. But it is not THAT bad. You loose you XBOX for what 8-10 days, big whoop. The last time I got it was about a year ago and the whole process took only 6 days.

[nyknicks33]

Yeah RROD sucks, but I don't understand the big complaints. I mean they fix it for FREE and pay for your shipping even. I have had it 4 or 5 times, I'm not sure lol. But it is not THAT bad. You loose you XBOX for what 8-10 days, big whoop. The last time I got it was about a year ago and the whole process took only 6 days.

To each their own I guess. For me, im just not going to tolerate a product just breaking down on me for the 3rd time.

[RockCh4lk]

To each their own I guess. For me, im just not going to tolerate a product just breaking down on me for the 3rd time.

Yeah I hear you. It should not happen for something so expensive. I mean it is a shame game companies release games with glitches they know about and then come out with a patch a month after release... Stuff like that should never happen

[kjell1979]

Yeah RROD sucks, but I don't understand the big complaints. I mean they fix it for FREE and pay for your shipping even. I have had it 4 or 5 times, I'm not sure lol. But it is not THAT bad. You loose you XBOX for what 8-10 days, big whoop. The last time I got it was about a year ago and the whole process took only 6 days.

At the height of the RROD issue, it took a turnaround of about a month to get your 360 back. For me that was back in September of 07. But the other thing is, it kills the resale value of your system after the 3 year warranty is up. Although now we're able to identify which machines have a greater chance of surviving w/o a RROD.

[GoodSense]

This is the real catch 22 and the reason they won't make a game.

They are no longer simply able to update the roster and spit shine an old game engine and sell it for full price every single year.
They have to make real meaningful improvements that require actual work something EA never has to do because the license alone sells the game.
And when you do the math it does not add up for them , they have to expend more R&D than EA does to make a quality game and see a fraction of the sales in return.
Maybe if they had not outright abandon the 2K series after lowering the price of 2K5 to $20 to boost the fanbase they could have kept much of that fanbase and tried to keep momentum going.
Instead they just quit outright for 2 full long years when they could have easily made a fully custom game the very next year because they were too afraid to do anything without the NFL security blanket.

Expect nothing and you will not be disappointed , how anyone can expect anything from them at this point is beyond me.
Zero news , zero communication with the community for over a year now , no mention of anything or even simple fixes for the current game.
We are just hung out to dry twisting in the wind.

I agree with you.
I don't care who the game is under why do people sell their souls simply because of the license.
If a better game is out and you can't recreate the NFL who cares.
All of these coaches, scouts and players you would think they'd welcome a generic game where they have to do all the work. Every league could be unique because...