Why?

[reallyYathink]

Why do Goalies in 2K10 look like oompa loompas? You guys put sooooo much time into visuals, you forget about the reality that your goalies blow, one year they are giant boxes, and now this, Hang your heads in Shame!

[b-Dub]

From the screenshots that I've seen so far, the only goalie that looks odd is Chris Osgood. His head don't look right. The other ones looked fine, and look markedly better than 2K9's goalies. And remember, these are work in progress screenshots. They can still change some. I remember one year (may have even been last year), in early screenshots, the helmets sat too high on the player's heads, but that was corrected by the time the game came out.

[reallyYathink]

You mean they may fix it, or "say" they will do it in a update

[Avizzv92]

I'm sure they have heard all the comments about Osgood and they are surely to fix him/anyone else. Wouldn't be surprised if he ended up as the most realistic one after all the complaints about how he looks now.

[reallyYathink]

What about the giant goale sticks?

[sleepytercel]

How about we wait for gameplay videos and/or trailers before make such bold statements about how things look.

[stoney0ne]

i think "blows" is a little harsh


how about not perfect yet

[FSOTG]

The goalies don't look that bad, sure Osgood's head looks a bit strange, but the rest is fine by me.

I doubt the graphics will change that much, I'm pretty sure the game will look like the pics we're seeing right now.

Will we have the possibility to put the team logo on the goalie's mask this year? I sure hope so, or at least I hope we have more choices, but from what I've seen they still got the lame drawings.

[Savoie06]

Oh come on, but it's so fun to rip screenshots to shreds!!

[macpuck]

Call me crazy but I don't care much about whether equipment is perfectly accurate or absolutely up to date. I juse want things to work the way they are supposed to. And, by the way, Osgood's mother thinks he looks quite handsome.

[sleepytercel]

Call me crazy but I don't care much about whether equipment is perfectly accurate or absolutely up to date. I juse want things to work the way they are supposed to. And, by the way, Osgood's mother thinks he looks quite handsome.

Ditto. I only really care about how the game plays. Accuracy as such is not something on my high list as I'm not one to zoom around looking for inaccuracies. I just want a fun and realistic experience that is competitive.

[stoney0ne]

i counted 36 lace inlets on the players skates.. everyone knows they have 28

[SuperSaiyerjin]

Call me crazy but I don't care much about whether equipment is perfectly accurate or absolutely up to date. I juse want things to work the way they are supposed to. And, by the way, Osgood's mother thinks he looks quite handsome.

but u cant tell me a osgood looks authentic. In my oppinion the blocker is too small and the glove is too big (goalies look like they are wearing player equipment, and im sure they do!). he holds his stick not correctly. compare this one
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/gfx/392-osgood-chris080519.jpg >>>(his mouth is not visible)<<<
to Osgood 2K.

EDIT: I think 2K should mothion capture a goalie (on real ice)

[Bruins fan 4 life]

Call me crazy but I don't care much about whether equipment is perfectly accurate or absolutely up to date. I juse want things to work the way they are supposed to. And, by the way, Osgood's mother thinks he looks quite handsome.

Well said.

Rather than focusing on the animated Osgood looking like the real Osgood, how about we focus on seeing if the animated Osgood plays like the real Osgood?

[macpuck]

Honestly, I don't enough about Detroit's uniform and the goalie equipment Osgood wears to offer much of an opinion. The picture above, however, does look very realistic. And I guess that's because it's real. I can live with goalies that don't look quite perfect but I have trouble dealing with a game which has so many holes in its franchise functions.

[Bruins fan 4 life]

I understand some people getting all worked up about not having exact equipment replicated, but for me game play comes first. If the goalies behave in a natural manner, I can overlook the questionable equipment choices. It becomes a problem for me when you couple the two issues, bad equipment with bad animation.

[ChrisSousa]

Jeeze already complaints about the game and its not even out yet! lol There is still a month and a half! before the game comes out. People need to relax before complaining. Still plenty of time for changes and what not

[SuperSaiyerjin]

Honestly, I don't enough about Detroit's uniform and the goalie equipment Osgood wears to offer much of an opinion. The picture above, however, does look very realistic. And I guess that's because it's real. I can live with goalies that don't look quite perfect but I have trouble dealing with a game which has so many holes in its franchise functions.

WOW.. seems like a different dimension. Do u have any expectations about Next-Generations games?! Its sad to see that some people still think minimalist.
A question:
Why did SONY and MS launch their Next-Gen. projects?

a) Developers want to make video games as authentic as possible (graphics+gameplay). New innovations were needed.
b) (your opinion).
c) They were bored.

[RoadDoggFL]

A question:
Why did SONY and MS launch their Next-Gen. projects?

a) Developers want to make video games as authentic as possible (graphics+gameplay). New innovations were needed.
b) (your opinion).
c) They were bored.

Why do companies do anything? Money.

[Savoie06]

WOW.. seems like a different dimension. Do u have any expectations about Next-Generations games?! Its sad to see that some people still think minimalist.
A question:
Why did SONY and MS launch their Next-Gen. projects?

a) Developers want to make video games as authentic as possible (graphics+gameplay). New innovations were needed.
b) (your opinion).
c) They were bored. Something you need to consider is:
1. This is the best looking 2KHockey has been yet for the 360 and though it may not quite be up EA's polish, it's a big step in the right direction. Trust me, all 2K fans have been griping the last few years about the graphics for this series.

2.Implementing everything is just NOT POSSIBLE in one year. NHL2K9 was a building block for Visual Concepts, much as NHL07 was for EA. Both were far from perfect or authentic. It has taken time for EA to get where they are and it will take a few years for VC to get where they are going.

3. This is the big difference between alot of 2K fans and EA fans. EA fans seem to be willing to take any kind of gameplay so long as they have their purty graphics. 2K fans are honestly more concerned about getting the gameplay right and having the graphics respectable. Just something I've noticed.

[Bruins fan 4 life]

Compared to last gen's graphics these goalies look outstanding. Sometimes I don't think we see the forest through the trees.

I, too, get caught up in being overly analytical of every little detail. For example, until recently the last baseball game I bought was MVP 2005 for the xbox. I just picked up MLB 2k9 and was genuinely surprised on just how good it looks. But if I were to go by all of the reviews and the comments on the forums I would have never bought it because according to all the experts it's barely up to PS1 capabilities. My point being that sometimes it would serve us well to step back, look at the big picture and realize just how far the games have come.

Are the graphics perfect? Of course not, but they have come a long way and I, for one, can appreciate the progress.

[reallyYathink]

See My problem is the claim to authentisity, but with the lack of, I will not judge the game it's self until I see the final product but so far I am not impressed. Player although better then last year still look horrible. if you match the Player likeness of Ovechkin from both games, EA blows them out of the water. I just hope this game can compete for the first time in years. All around!!!!!

[RoadDoggFL]

I think 10's Ovy looks very weird.

[stoney0ne]

true story


on our league website.. we have the 2k league and a ea hockey league.


we where posting and talking about the 2k screen caps and features released so far. the ea guys caught wind of it and came by to discuss. we pointed out how awesome 2k looked, all the good things, then harped on the awesome gameplay


their response... they posted pictures of a few of the players faces close up without helmets in '10 and said "see how awesome this game is!"



i just shook my head and walked away

[Savoie06]

See My problem is the claim to authentisity, but with the lack of, I will not judge the game it's self until I see the final product but so far I am not impressed. Player although better then last year still look horrible. if you match the Player likeness of Ovechkin from both games, EA blows them out of the water. I just hope this game can compete for the first time in years. All around!!!!!
Honestly though, what do the player faces really matter? I mean the only time you see them is during cutscenes and those get old quick. I can live with the player faces being mediocre, since I'm not looking at them while I'm playing anyways.

[stoney0ne]

you want faces go buy dead or alive beach volleyball



this is hockey, sticks, pucks, nets, fists

[Savoie06]

true story


on our league website.. we have the 2k league and a ea hockey league.


we where posting and talking about the 2k screen caps and features released so far. the ea guys caught wind of it and came by to discuss. we pointed out how awesome 2k looked, all the good things, then harped on the awesome gameplay


their response... they posted pictures of a few of the players faces close up without helmets in '10 and said "see how awesome this game is!"



i just shook my head and walked away Seriously, the EA fanantics seem more concerned with graphics. There are some out there that want great gameplay, but with alot of them their only argument against 2K is its "crappy" graphics.

[flamesfan597]

They need to make em bigger, make the sticks thinner and fix the hunchbacks. The goalies are bad (expecially yours) and they let in dumb shots.

[reallyYathink]

Why is it that you think I play EA, which I do not. I am saying the game is below par and far from sim online where i play all the time, and yes graphics do matter. look at the real picture of ovechkin and the face model and it blows 2k away. I just wish this company would put in more effort when it comes to the gammers wants and needs instead of their own. If i wanted to play a games wich GC graphics I would go buy a GC.

[CellFish]

Having grown up with a Coleco Gemini (Atari 2600 clone) and an NES, I learned that gameplay is more important than graphics a long time ago. Having said that, NHL 2Kx always had better gameplay in my book. However, 2k Sports has been playing catch-up for a while. Not only do they have to catch up to EA's graphics, they have to catch-up to EA's online team play, their general stability (save for the Xbox 360-specific disc read errors that are fixed by installing the game to HDD), EA's server stability (say what you want about your own experiences with EA games but on both the 360 and the PS3, EA's servers have been fantastic), EA's player creation and customization features, etc.. Having superior gameplay can only go so far for so long.

[reallyYathink]

What these games need is photogaemface, which EA may have this year, or soon.

[Bruins fan 4 life]

Having grown up with a Coleco Gemini (Atari 2600 clone) and an NES, I learned that gameplay is more important than graphics a long time ago. Having said that, NHL 2Kx always had better gameplay in my book. However, 2k Sports has been playing catch-up for a while. Not only do they have to catch up to EA's graphics, they have to catch-up to EA's online team play, their general stability (save for the Xbox 360-specific disc read errors that are fixed by installing the game to HDD), EA's server stability (say what you want about your own experiences with EA games but on both the 360 and the PS3, EA's servers have been fantastic), EA's player creation and customization features, etc.. Having superior gameplay can only go so far for so long.

Holy crap cellfish you just unleashed a flood of old memories for me. I remember getting my ColecoVision in '82 (I think?) for Christmas. That was "my red rider bb gun moment" as a kid. All of my friends had Atari and I remember thinking this machine blows the Atari away, everyone is going want to play this thing (which they all did). It didn't always have the best gameplay but it always had the better graphics, which goes to your point about gameplay only taking you so far. It has to be coupled with good graphics.

Gameplay, for me, is most important but without good/decent graphics no one will give the game a shot. In other words, graphics and visuals are what draw people in but gameplay is what keeps them there.

[Savoie06]

Why is it that you think I play EA, which I do not. I am saying the game is below par and far from sim online where i play all the time, and yes graphics do matter. look at the real picture of ovechkin and the face model and it blows 2k away. I just wish this company would put in more effort when it comes to the gammers wants and needs instead of their own. If i wanted to play a games wich GC graphics I would go buy a GC.
Why is it that you think I play EA, which I do not. I am saying the game is below par and far from sim online where i play all the time Well newsflash, EA's game is not very "sim" online either. Both just require the right group of people.

yes graphics do matter. look at the real picture of ovechkin and the face model and it blows 2k away. I just wish this company would put in more effort when it comes to the gammers wants and needs instead of their own. If i wanted to play a games wich GC graphics I would go buy a GC This is when you need to go back and play a last gen hockey game and then come back and look at 2K10. Seriously, they aren't up with EA's polish, but to say they are GameCube quality a exaggerating a bit.

[Savoie06]

Holy crap cellfish you just unleashed a flood of old memories for me. I remember getting my ColecoVision in '82 (I think?) for Christmas. That was "my red rider bb gun moment" as a kid. All of my friends had Atari and I remember thinking this machine blows the Atari away, everyone is going want to play this thing (which they all did). It didn't always have the best gameplay but it always had the better graphics, which goes to your point about gameplay only taking you so far. It has to be coupled with good graphics.

Gameplay, for me, is most important but without good/decent graphics no one will give the game a shot. In other words, graphics and visuals are what draw people in but gameplay is what keeps them there.

In other words, graphics and visuals are what draw people in but gameplay is what keeps them there. Which is bas akwards.

[Bruins fan 4 life]

Which is bas akwards.

True enough, but it is what it is. There are exceptions to the rule of course. For the most part though, while it's glam and glitter that draw the eyeballs, it's still the game sustenance that feeds the gamer's appetite.

[VeNOM2099]

More important than pretty faces and photo realistic textures is the animation system. And up until NHL 2K9, 2K had always had the edge on EA in this department.

I'm hoping they can get back to it with NHL 2K10. That's what I really am hoping for. No more warping goalies or weird animations that don't belong. Then as long as the players' likenesses are "passable", it's all good. Like Savoie said, when you're gonna be playing the game, you wont' have the camera in the player's face, you'll be some distance away, so details like that will mean nothing. So long as the player plays and moves like the real thing, I don't care what his face looks like, if it's withing 1mm close to real or looks like Gouki...

EDIT: Apparently, you can't say "Ak_uma" here... :p

[reallyYathink]

Yep lets hope they don't float on the ice this year... wow that was a game ruiner last year.

[Bruins fan 4 life]

I don't think the players "floated" at all. If anything I found the momentum of the players to be too strong or heavy.

Granted, adjustment of sliders can certainly help to deter the heavy momentum, but out of the box I felt the players skated heavy.

[reallyYathink]

There skates never touched the ice, are you really that blind

[Bruins fan 4 life]

I respectfully disagree. The skates are always on the ice. In fact it's been brought up many time about the skates disappearing into the ice (clipping issue). What system are you playing on? Maybe we're talking about two different versions.

When I refer to skaters floating I'm not talking about skates touching the ice, which I think they do, but more of a weight and momentum issue. To me, EA skaters appear to float.

BTW lets keep this civil, my eyes are just fine.

[reallyYathink]

both< iplay on ps3 and 360

[Bruins fan 4 life]

I guess we can agree to disagree on this issue.

Good debate!

[reallyYathink]

;) can do that

[Jonny Pharside]

lol oompa loompas

[flamesfan597]

Thats funny, oompa loompas. is that even a word?

[Savoie06]

Oompa-Loompas are fictional creatures featured in Roald Dahl's books Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator. They come from Loompaland, which is a region of Loompa, a small isolated island situated in the Pacific Ocean. In the book, they are the only people Willy Wonka will allow to work in his factory, because of the risk of industrial espionage. They are only knee-high, with astonishing haircuts, and are paid in their favourite food, cacao beans. In popular culture, they can be referred to as small people.

This was taken from Wikpedia.

[flamesfan597]

Oh. LOL! Thats funny.

[buzzguy7612]

As long as the goalies look better than last year, I'm happy. 2K8 was the only next-gen 2K hockey game that got it right.
VC has hopefully fixed the odd stances of the goalies off the faceoffs this year. The way they lined-up last year was really weird; it was like their torso and legs were twisted in completely opposite directions.