OFFICIAL: Dallas Mavericks Thread

[clutch120]

:arrow: post here any and all news, opinions, info, ideas, and power rankings of the players, coaches, and everything MAVS~

:arrow: TONIGHT- Mavericks play Washington Wizards t
-without stackhouse (obviouxly), but more important without gilbert arenas, who had his ONLY career triple-double against us back on november 5th- i expect the mavs to come out in full force and get an early lead and dominate


things to look for in the road ahead-

-josh howard ... this man is rapidly improving as a rookie and was the key to the win against a heavy talented minnesota team a couple days ago...

-dirk will be out at least til the end of the week with that bad ankle sprain ... this is GOOD. he needs his rest and heal... its only december and hes got LOTS of ball to play yet...

-mike fin FINALLY makin the allstar game again... hes playin like one, and i guarantee he makes the bench for the Western allstars...

[mysterio78]

Finnaly a Mavs tread. I think the Mavs are playing good at home, they are nearly unstopable at home, but on the road that's a differnt story. I like how Mike findog is playing lately, I would like to see him as an allstar, he is one of my favorite players. I like the rookie Josh Howard, he is going to be something especial. I also like the other rookie Marquis Dadiels. Walker was A good addition to the team.

[clutch120]

yes exactly..

i personally like how the ANTOINE (-tawn) duo is nicely mixing up the offense, its a GREAT addition to have jamison off the bench and produce numbers, and walker is DEFINATELY out of his lazy stage and is now a huge help on the fastbreak! (i never thought in my life i would be saying this...)

the rookies are learning fast.... josh howard is ranked among the top 10 in rookies, and marquis daniels is beginning to get more playing time for defensive measures...

i still dont exactly know which team will get their first home loss - kings or mavs... prolly the kings cuz the mavs got LA in town on thursday... WITHOUT DIRK... but thats okay.. we'll make up for it in the playoffs ;)

[Brankles]

The Mavs.... my Western Conference team...


Dirk is my favorite player in the L. He's the most versatile player, in my mind, today.

Josh Howard... surprising he dropped to the Mavs in the draft... I loved this dude since he was at Wake. He's got mad game and good potential...

The only problem with the Mavs is that they need a bruiser and a solid backup PG... then they definitely got Finals potential...


BTW-I haven't been able to see many Mavs games this year... but how is Danny Fortson playing? I thought for sure he'd be averaging double figures in rebounds...

Man I need that NBA league pass... anybody know if they got a nice mid-year deal?




Holla

[K Bomber]

The Mavs.... my Western Conference team...


Dirk is my favorite player in the L. He's the most versatile player, in my mind, today.

Josh Howard... surprising he dropped to the Mavs in the draft... I loved this dude since he was at Wake. He's got mad game and good potential...

The only problem with the Mavs is that they need a bruiser and a solid backup PG... then they definitely got Finals potential...


BTW-I haven't been able to see many Mavs games this year... but how is Danny Fortson playing? I thought for sure he'd be averaging double figures in rebounds...

Man I need that NBA league pass... anybody know if they got a nice
Let's not forget STeve Nash -- a good Canadian boy....

[SAXMANLA]

they will fall to the lakers tonite

[mysterio78]

who knows, maybe the Mavs might win

[clutch120]

lakers BEAT mavs 114-103

-it was a well-played game overall for the guys @ L.A... but i still hate them and i still think theyr cheap skanks from hollywood..

-refs in this game were terrible for a NUMBER of reasons:
1- mike fin only got ONE foul called in his favor ALL GAME LONG
2- don nelson got tossed... that only happens when officiating is HORRINDOUS
3- shaq got his way ALL GAME LONG... pushin, fallin on najera and callin it on eddy, shaq intentionally shoving walker at the basket and NO CALL... i could go on forever..

but alls good, even though were not first in our division, the nuggets SURE HAVE EARNED IT, plus we've played good teams thus far..

:arrow: TONIGHTS MATCHUP: MAVS ( 12-7 ) VS. MAGIC ( 1-18 )
-*sigh* yes, this should be an easy win... and i almost feel bad for them and TMAC... but his leadership and coaching cannot simply be blamed... personally, i think Orlando is just cursed with losing, maybe they should attend church tommorrow ;) but w/e it is... its getting to a point where u almost wanna give this team a win...

-anyway, in other news, dirk MIGHT make his return tonight, i havent recieved word yet... but if he is here, i predict us winning by 20 EASY

- I GET TO GO TO THE GAME TONIGHT! WAHOOO! lol im excited cuz im too dirk poor to afford any games, so i mooch off rich girls and bribe them with being "nice" to them for a week, and boy, its TOTALLY worth it! ill be cheerin for MAC tho, i still love his game and that PURE shooting form- in my opinion, its the BEST shootin form in the LEAGUE...

anyway, mavs report card thus far in the season:
B

i will give another report card in two weeks... until then, tell me what u think of them

(by the way, Brank, fortson is doing great on boards, but is havin HUGE trouble scoring or lookin for any offense, but he doesnt need to as there is PLENTY of other options to go to...)

[Blackwiz]

i don't really like the mavs that much.......i watch them, but i would rather watch the lakers or sacramento kings or Wolves.

[clutch120]

yes... but u see, u dont have to be a bandwagon viewer to LOVE the nba...

personally, i like watchin the cavaliers, jazz, and suns FAR better than the lakers... i like watching these young teams develop into their potential and like to watch great coaches and players who play the game more for the love of the game, rather than watchin that phony all-star "fantasmo foursome" in hollywood..

as for the wolves, i like watchin spree and cassel nail those endangered mid-range jumpers that most NBA teams seem to ignore these days. kg's post game is unparelled to anyones cause hes so long that he reach and expand most anywhere around the key inside or below and rim, and work magic in the paint. this team is a GREAT matchup against the kings as was shown last night in that overtime thriller. look for these two teams to go 7 games in the playoffs and battle for blood cuz we may just be looking at the best matchup in the nba.

but it doesnt matter, cuz everyone has their own opinions. im starting to even like phil jackson these days because of the ways he plays his rookies and works his rotations to fit all offensive and defensive measures. im also beginning to realize how smart jerry sloan is at coaching a team who was ranked LAST in the league by pretty much EVERY sports analyst during pre-season and to have their team 4 wins above .500 is just incredible.

i like watchin basketball PERIOD. no matter WHAT matchup is on tv, whichever one i can find on my cheap cable, im there to watch.

:arrow: top 5 favorite MATCHUPS to watch:
-MAVS/KINGS (2 teams virtually equal in talent)
-Spurs/Wolves (KG vs. Duncan... WOAH!!!)
-Nuggets/Cavs (hype was well-deserved in matchup, altho NUGS far superior)

[Blackwiz]

:arrow: top 5 favorite MATCHUPS to watch:
-MAVS/KINGS (2 teams virtually equal in talent)
-Spurs/Wolves (KG vs. Duncan... WOAH!!!)
-Nuggets/Cavs (hype was well-deserved in matchup, altho NUGS far superior)

Nuggets/Cavs is a good matchup, but the others i don't know, i think

Spurs/Lakers and Wolves/Kings and Mavs/Kings(u got that right) are good matchups

Spurs/Lakers, even though Lakers proved to be better, they still hype that up as a good matchup, people like to see Tim vs. Shaq and Spurs verse Fantastic Five(yea, Five, cuz they all playin well if u ask me)


lol....wat about Magics verse Heat, that's a go-o-o........well, even match talent wise..lol...nah, i aint goin bash on my son T-Mac

[clutch120]

lol... u know wat team i REALLY cant stand watchin? those hawks... MAN, they are gettin a little boring these days, especially without robinson, if jason terry wasnt on their team, man i wouldnt watch them at all

[Blackwiz]

lol.....i don't even bother to watch them, i would rather watch the Heat, cuz they got Skip, but the Hawks, puleez :lol: .......but hey, they gotta better record than the Magics

[clutch120]

mavs win another big game... but will rematch with LA at their house on thursday...

[clutch120]

TONIGHT: MAVS VS CLIPPERS

- Elton Brand = most overrated player in ESPN NBA basketball2k4 AND in real life... ( i ges i could say the same for ANYONE from duke)

anyway, i made Marquis Daniels:
-200lbs
-6-6
-SG
-headband, tall white socks
RATINGS:
overall: 70 (trust me, he deserves this)
close: 81
mid: 71
3pt: 68
(KEEP IN MIND- he's hitting over 50% of his shots)
the rest is sort of crap... but he's a great shooter

the rest of the underrated mavs that have been RE-RATED by me:
IN ORDER OF RATING:
dirk nowitzky: 93
steve nash: 89
antoine walker: 86
michael finley: 83
antawn jamison: 82
danny fortson: 73
travis best: 73
josh howard: 73
eduardo najera: 72
marquis daniels: 70
tony delk: 68
abdul-wahad: 66
shawn bradley: 61
(note: i did not make jon steffanson as he most likely wont play all year)

TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK!!!

[clutch120]

my bad, dallas plays LA friday..

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT U THINK BOUT MARQUIS DANIELS ANY MAVS FANS

[og15]

im not a mavs fan really but Josh Howard is sick, he's a sf that rebound like a pf or C.......shawn marion

daniels is pretty good too i think if both were in different situations they would excel

[mysterio78]

oh man, I can't believe Dallas lost to the Clippers after having a 22 point lead in the second quarter. Dallas needs to learn how to win on the road. They are awsome at home but they can't win on the road. What is wrong with the Mavs this season? Last year with less talent they were a whole lot better on the road. I think they were the best road team last year. Today it's going to be Mavs and Lakers and I just don't think Dallas can beat LA but I hope I'm wrong. I really like The way Finley Play againt the Clippers, He had 38 points. I think Finley should be an Allstar this year.

[clutch120]

oh man, I can't believe Dallas lost to the Clippers after having a 22 point lead in the second quarter. Dallas needs to learn how to win on the road. They are awsome at home but they can't win on the road. What is wrong with the Mavs this season? Last year with less talent they were a whole lot better on the road. I think they were the best road team last year. Today it's going to be Mavs and Lakers and I just don't think Dallas can beat LA but I hope I'm wrong. I really like The way Finley Play againt the Clippers, He had 38 points. I think Finley should be an Allstar this year.

i agree, it was VERY sad. (props to the veteran glen rice tho, heck of a buzzer-beater) and yes, we seem to have a tendancy to blow leads on the road like dropping money at a new york subway.

solution? hmm... maybe its a curse?!? like the magic had, all that great talent, but just could not win when they needed too. (funny how theyve been SO CLOSE like last nite to the nets in a loss by 4, and yet SO FAR from a winning season...)

but i have no fear- were back to first place in our division, and things can only get better from here, as in last year's amazing spree, things could only go down. so in a way, its a good thing the mavs arent off to that 60-22 start- save some gas for the playoffs (lakers/kings/wolves/spurs) ya know??

[machine24]

the mavs have to many new pieces, give it till after the all star break and things will get rolling

steve nash,dirk nowitzki and antoine walker are my 3 fav players inthe nba

i think the mavs should package micheal finley and antawn jamison and get a superstar if possible

jamison has no role on this team josh howard is excelling enough i think t make finley expendable

remember sometimes less is more nash,walker and dirk can easily carry the offense of course dont trade jamison and finley for a 7 foot stiff but if there were a high quality guy out there id pull the trigger

it was so sweet seeing dallas destroy the lakers last night payton deserved to be kicked i dont see how anyone could dispute that after the way he threw the ball at javy

[clutch120]

the mavs have to many new pieces, give it till after the all star break and things will get rolling

steve nash,dirk nowitzki and antoine walker are my 3 fav players inthe nba

i think the mavs should package micheal finley and antawn jamison and get a superstar if possible

jamison has no role on this team josh howard is excelling enough i think t make finley expendable




wow

you've gotta be kidding me....

saying that jamison has no ROLE is like sayin nick van exel didnt do SQUAT for us on the bench last year. the truth is: jamison is producing the same amount of high numbers that van exel is: just look at his stats!!!!

and the finley/jamison deal: ive heard they may trade him for rasheed wallace: just a rumor, but if it happens, ill pee in my pants til next eternity.

by the way, howard is WAY TOO inconsistent right now for the mavs to start him. don nelson said this himself, and that he needs time for better developement....

[clutch120]

walkers HOMECOMING against the celtics tommorow nite

**WORST OWNER IN THE LEAGUE: DANNY AINGE**

-cant make a good trade if it killed him...

[clutch120]

we LOST holy cow... we were up the whole game...

the darn pierce f-in the mavs in the fourth...

[mysterio78]

Again I ask this question. What's up with the Mavs on the road? I can't believe they lost. I don't know if you have notice, but Nash is turning the ball over way to much. Machine24 what do you mean trade Finley, He is like the heart of this team. Michael Finley needs to be a Mav for life. I would rather see walker traded than Finley. I still like Walker but I think Finley is better.

[clutch120]

AND AGAIN: i reply mysterio with what i sed before about the mavs on the road:

" maybe its a curse?!? like the magic had, all that great talent, but just could not win when they needed too... but things can only get better from here, as in last year's amazing spree at the beginning of the season where things could only go down. so in a way, its a good thing the mavs arent off to that 60-22 start- they can pocket some gas for the playoffs (lakers/kings/wolves/spurs) ya know?? "

see what i mean?

nash has been good and bad at the same time lately.... hes rebounding the ball more, and playing MUCH better defense than last year, but hes startin to fade at the few areas that made him an allstar... his free throw percentage is startin to slip fast as he's breakin away from the stripe to early to get back on D... he IS givin the ball away more and partly its not all his fault. don nelson has been in and out of MANY lineups and formulas out on the court lately due to the injuries of dirk, finley, and nash...

not to worry, were only losing games by a max of 10 pts, like tonite- againt the wolves...

cant wait til fin gets back :(

[mysterio78]

oh boy, The Mavs lose another road game, but I agree with clutch124 that things can only get better. The Mavs played well against the Wolves, but the Wolves were just the better team last nite. I think Nash played better last nite than other nites, that's how he has to play all the time if the mavs are going to improve. when Finley comes back, I think the mavs will be better.

[clutch120]

:arrow: my opinion on the CRITICISM of the MAVS by the MEDIA:

i hate it when antoine walker plays two games in a row with poor shooting, and all of a sudden, the media is blowin up about walker and being overrated....

"WHAT?!?!?" thats my response...

walker- averaging a double-double will most likely make the allstar game, and yet the media just HAS to bring their garbage...


dirks been so darn injured this year that he can hardly stand up strait to shoot his jumpers rite: fox news reported. he prolly needs to sit another 2 games to heal it- we still have TONS of regular season left... dont believe me? ask the magic... ( lol )


anyway, i think the media chooses to bash the mavs these days cuz there record isnt fricken 24-2... people dont seem to realize the many injuries, the new acquisitions, and new rotations in the lineups (new one almost every 2 games).... to be honest, the mavs 15-11 record looks pretty decent for all the encounters thus far in the season...

did i mention were in the west? did i mention were in the hardest division at the start of a season in a LOOOONG time? (all teams over .500 by AT LEAST 2 wins)

ive already sed that the mav's losses have come by no more than around 10 points... and the home record is still with only one loss to LA... so media spokesmen and women, if ur readin this, PLEEEEAAAASE, give the mavs a BREAK!

[og15]

walker- averaging a double-double will most likely make the allstar game, and yet the media just HAS to bring their garbage...

dirks been so darn injured this year that he can hardly stand up strait to shoot his jumpers rite: fox news reported. he prolly needs to sit another 2 games to heal it- we still have TONS of regular season left... dont believe me? ask the magic... ( lol )


yea antoine will probably be a sub, but i think Dirk should take some games off and rest man, he's just gonna make it worse, and Josh Howard has been playing pretty good so now worries

yea dallas' road record is dying, i mean chicago is 3-9 on the road, at least .500 common

[machine24]

i want steve nash to be a maverick for life and there is no way the mavs will be able to resign him and keep the guys they have now, jamison should have a bigger role with the team half the time he barely cracks 26 minutes or so he could be doing so much better

rasheed wallace is in the last year of his contract which means with the weird nba salary cap rules the mavs can trade a max player like finley for wallace, wallace finish this season with the mavericks and then the mavs would have wallace's salary and finley's salary off the books so they can keep walker and nash

i heard on the game last night where nelson said even when finley comes back howard will stay in the rotation so who knows?

imagine this though

nash
jamison
walker
wallace
nowitzki

that is an all star team right there

Dirk has been battling injuries all year and i think it has had to slow him down

but what other explanation is there for the decline in record?

the west is alot stronger with the great play of denver,memphis etc

but the mavs are losing games that wouldve been blowouts last year

the chemistry just isnt there yet and injuries have slowed that process down

i still believe that after the all star break u will see a double digit win streak and win all the players get on at the same time somebody is gonna get beat very bad


i want to keep finley and all the mavs but i love steve nash, he and dirk are my fav players and what got me back into watching NBA basketball, if they get split up it will totally suck for me so anything to keep steve nash if that means trading finley

[machine24]

i want steve nash to be a maverick for life and there is no way the mavs will be able to resign him and keep the guys they have now, jamison should have a bigger role with the team half the time he barely cracks 26 minutes or so he could be doing so much better

rasheed wallace is in the last year of his contract which means with the weird nba salary cap rules the mavs can trade a max player like finley for wallace, wallace finish this season with the mavericks and then the mavs would have wallace's salary and finley's salary off the books so they can keep walker and nash

i heard on the game last night where nelson said even when finley comes back howard will stay in the rotation so who knows?

imagine this though

nash
jamison
walker
wallace
nowitzki

that is an all star team right there

Dirk has been battling injuries all year and i think it has had to slow him down

but what other explanation is there for the decline in record?

the west is alot stronger with the great play of denver,memphis etc

but the mavs are losing games that wouldve been blowouts last year

the chemistry just isnt there yet and injuries have slowed that process down

i still believe that after the all star break u will see a double digit win streak and win all the players get on at the same time somebody is gonna get beat very bad


i want to keep finley and all the mavs but i love steve nash, he and dirk are my fav players and what got me back into watching NBA basketball, if they get split up it will totally suck for me so anything to keep steve nash if that means trading finley

[og15]

he said they would both start :) ........finley would start every game but not play as high minutes, howard will start at the 3 when they don't play with a center

[clutch120]

for all of you who thought finley meant squat to the mavs...

well, he returned on xmas day to play the kings, and was stone cold (prolly from rushing the injury).. but it was not his play his shots, but more of a sense of comfort for the mavs, and general bball play that they got from fin-man that led them to beat sacramento...

bottom line: with him back (the soul and heart of our team), our road record will straiten out...

[Slikk_2k4]

TONIGHT: MAVS VS CLIPPERS

- Elton Brand = most overrated player in ESPN NBA basketball2k4 AND in real life... ( i ges i could say the same for ANYONE from duke)

anyway, i made Marquis Daniels:
-200lbs
-6-6
-SG
-headband, tall white socks
RATINGS:
overall: 70 (trust me, he deserves this)
close: 81
mid: 71
3pt: 68
(KEEP IN MIND- he's hitting over 50% of his shots)
the rest is sort of [***]
... but he's a great shooter

the rest of the underrated mavs that have been RE-RATED by me:
IN ORDER OF RATING:
dirk nowitzky: 93
steve nash: 89
antoine walker: 86
michael finley: 83
antawn jamison: 82
danny fortson: 73
travis best: 73
josh howard: 73
eduardo najera: 72
marquis daniels: 70
tony delk: 68
abdul-wahad: 66
shawn bradley: 61
(note: i did not make jon steffanson as he most likely wont play all year)

TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK!!! :

[Slikk_2k4]

:twisted: *** the dallas it is lakers over here. U suck clutch120 because you like dallas. be a lakers fan cluch120 holla back

[adom bomb]

- Elton Brand = most overrated player in ESPN NBA basketball2k4 AND in real life... ( i ges i could say the same for ANYONE from duke)

Career averages
19.2 PPG
10.8 RPG
.496 FG%
Those are about the same as Kevin Garnett
And is always one of the league leaders in offensive rebounds per game

At 6'8", he plays the power forward as good as almost anyone in the league. Right now he is third in the league blocks.

I love Tyson Chandlers game, but the Bulls should not have traded Elton Brand for him.

[og15]

no way Elton is overatted, the guy is a beast espceially on the offensive glass, and he is a blocking machine at 6'8, the guys is just sick, double double every year of his career and its not like he evne gets all star votes or gets talked about a lot on tv or something

[AOMrep]

Blah, blah, blah the Mavs are second rate when it comes to the midwestern division. It's all about the Spurs baby!

[adom bomb]

Blah, blah, blah the Mavs are second rate when it comes to the midwestern division. It's all about the Spurs baby!

Good Point

[clutch120]

:twisted: [***]
the dallas it is lakers over here. U suck clutch120 because you like dallas. be a lakers fan cluch120 holla back


we all got opinions, yes... but wat u said is just childish...

PLEASE, save me the relish and decorate some other guy with those premature gags...

"I HATE LAKERS. U SUCK. BLAH BLAH BLAH" - there now, i stooped down to your level to talk to you in your own native tongue... understand?

kids these days...

[Blackwiz]

^^i really don't know why u replied to him

[Brankles]

Yeah... when people call me out... and they got like 4 posts... and they're talkin outta their booty holes... ignore em.

You gotta ignore em.


Or else we'd get a bunch of clowns talkin smack about nothin in general. Just talking, for the sake of reading their own words.





Holla

[Blackwiz]

its not even really that, its just that he is a true Laker fan, but he is how i used to be back then, how i used to just luv lakers and say they were the best or wateva, and just didn't care about any other team, but that was a long time ago, im sure a lot of ya'll were like that, how u grew up liking a team and just told everyone that they were the best and didn't really know................u know, its like sayin that the Magic are the best, cuz they grew up luvin them, when obviously the Magic aren't the best

[clutch120]

^^ lol funny how u picked the magic..... *brankeys*....

[Blackwiz]

^^ lol funny how u picked the magic..... *brankeys*....

okay, then the Heat or the Wizards or the Suns

[Brankles]

clutch would be one of those people you ignore when he says somethin like that.


Seems like he's always sayin somethin dumb... maybe it's just me.




Holla

[clutch120]

clutch would be one of those people you ignore when he says somethin like that.


Seems like he's always sayin somethin dumb... maybe it's just me.




Holla


..... no comment

[Brankles]

clutch would be one of those people you ignore when he says somethin like that.


Seems like he's always sayin somethin dumb... maybe it's just me.




Holla


..... no comment
I win :D





Holla

[Blackwiz]

yea, and i win in the bomber vs. wiz situation in the magic thread :lol:

[clutch120]

clutch would be one of those people you ignore when he says somethin like that.


Seems like he's always sayin somethin dumb... maybe it's just me.




Holla


..... no comment
I win :D





Holla



is this wat its all about? winning?!?!? lol u cant refuse to lose?

your prolly wanna those people online who has a record of 13-0-78-32 with 78 disconnects and 32 quits...

shame... shame on you.... :twisted:

[Brankles]

is this wat its all about? winning?!?!? lol u cant refuse to lose?

your prolly wanna those people online who has a record of 13-0-78-32 with 78 disconnects and 32 quits...

shame... shame on you.... :twisted:
lol

What the heII?


If you're not joking... then that's why I (usually) ignore you...




Holla

[K Bomber]

yea, and i win in the bomber vs. wiz situation in the magic thread :lol:
Actually you didn't. I just had stuff to do last night

Guelph Storm 3 - Erie Otters 2 (In Overtime)

Had to watch the glorious Guelph Storm (http://www.guelphstorm.com/), ranked Fourth in the CHL, win another one in OT

Major Junior Hockey is the equivalent of NCAA sports in most cases except that kids from the age of 15 will play in the OHL, QMJHL and WHL for a chance to be drafted by the NHL. Seeing the development of some of these kids into NHL players is amazing

So far I've watched Todd Bertuzzi, Jeff O'Neill, Dan Cloutier, Dustin Brown, Fedor Tjutin, Daniel Paille and a host of others play their way into the NHL. For the low, low price of $14 Canadian (although it used to be $12, but I digress.....)

You don't get to win anything on answers as weak as you posted over on the Magic thread, Wiz, shame on you....... :wink:

[Blackwiz]

Wiz, shame on you....... :wink:

ewww, u sound like clutch :(

and what i posted wasn't an answer, it was an opinion that u didn't agree wit and got ****ed cuz i didn't think lebron is a "special" player like i thought at the beginning of the season

[clutch120]

What the heII?


If you're not joking... then that's why I (usually) ignore you...




Holla



mmmhmm, and i aint the one spendin my time writin silly letters to no one, and repeating my mojo bout the espn game all the live long day either... nope... not me...



" HOLLER!!! "

[Brankles]

What the heII?


If you're not joking... then that's why I (usually) ignore you...




Holla
mmmhmm, and i aint the one spendin my time writin silly letters to no one, and repeating my mojo bout the espn game all the live long day either... nope... not me...
" HOLLER!!! "
:roll:

Back to ignoring...



Holla

[clutch120]

What the heII?


If you're not joking... then that's why I (usually) ignore you...




Holla
mmmhmm, and i aint the one spendin my time writin silly letters to no one, and repeating my mojo bout the espn game all the live long day either... nope... not me...
" HOLLER!!! "
:roll:

Back to ignoring...



Holla


sweeeeeet. now its MY turn to taste the victory...


:D

[yeah]

The hawks?

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/26166.htm

Call it win one, lose one for the Knicks.
While Jamal Crawford is expected to join the Knicks as soon as today in a trade with the Bulls, it looks like Isiah Thomas will lose out on another piece he'd hope to bring to the Garden — Antoine Walker.

That's because Walker will be traded tomorrow from the Mavs to the Hawks for Jason Terry and Alan Henderson, a league source revealed.

Walker, a forward, never really fit in during his one year with the Mavs, and was hoping for a deal to either the Sixers (where he'd have been reunited with ex-Celtic coach Jim O'Brien) or the Knicks.

Walker is owed $14.625M in the final year of his contract. Terry, a guard, has $7.5M and $6.6M left over two years, while Henderson, an injury-prone forward, is owed $8.2M for one year.

[AIRjordan23]

if that mavs trade is actully gonna happen thats good for them because i think Jason Terry is a great player and now that they get to unload antione walker. Walker always has his problems with every team and i guess the mavs are happy to see him gone.

[Detroit_balla42]

Who's left on the East?

[dirtybirdie]

Bad trade for hawks... no pg left!! the useless vaughn got signet by the worthless nets. at leat no more MR. Henderson

[Pointguard13]

Jason Terry (7.0 Million/2 year) Team Option???
Alen Henderson (8.3 Million/1 year)

for.....

Antoine Walker (14.6 Million/1 year)

Terry only has one year left on contract with a option for a 2nd year. I read somewhere that he was ina "contract" year s he'd play well for the MAVS. B/C of this we can still make trades using expiring players, but now, more team are interested in TERRY than Walker.....

GREAT TRADE FOR US :wink:

Now we have three pieces of trade bait in...

Jason Terry (7.0 Million/1 year)
Alen Henderson (8.3 Million/1 year)
Christian Laettner(6.2 Million/1 year)

[bhl]

if this is true, dallas better unload a shooting guard, they have like 4 good shooting guards.

[StrikeThree]

Good deal for the Mavs 8)

[og15]

I think i'ts stupid for the Hawks, you have young guys you wnat to develop, and you bring in Antoine Walker.
Also they ahve no PG, I guess Diaw or Childress will be playing point

At least Walker can make the All-Star team, he can average 25-9-5, and 4 turnovers.

[Pointguard13]

if this is true, dallas better unload a shooting guard, they have like 4 good shooting guards.

We better unload some1...we have 18 PLAYERS if this goes down :shock:

Jason Terry
Marquis Daniels
Michael Finley
Dirk Nowitski
Calvin Booth

Devin Harris
Josh Howard
Jerry Stackhouse
Didier Ilunga-Mbenga
Shawn Bradley

Tony Delk
Jon Steffanson
Edurado Najera
Christian Laettner
Pavel Podkolzin

Avery Johnson
Tariq Abdul-Waded
Alan Henderson

[Detroit_balla42]

That roster is too stacked to be any good.

[yeah]

Stack, christian, and terry for kidd?

You could give kidd time to rehab daniels could start and harris could get his feet wet.

*waits on pg to assemble better trade packages and scenarios*

[Pointguard13]

That roster is too stacked to be any good.

How.........

Jason Terry
Marquis Daniels
Michael Finley
Dirk Nowitski
Calvin Booth

Devin Harris
Josh Howard
Jerry Stackhouse
Didier Ilunga-Mbenga
Shawn Bradley

Tony Delk
Jon Steffanson
Edurado Najera
Christian Laettner
Pavel Podkolzin

Avery Johnson
Tariq Abdul-Waded
Alan Henderson

We're obviously gonna have to make some trades to lessen the amount of players, so we're gonan improve it...

Stack, christian, and terry for kidd?

Stackhouse(7.0 Million/3 years)
Christian Laettner (6.2 Million/1 year)
Jason Terry(7.0 Million/1 year)

too much money for Kidd's (14.8 Million/5 years)

and we dont want Zo or aaron williams to be incuded in a trade.

*waits on pg to assemble better trade packages and scenarios*

:lol: :wink: :lol: :wink: :lol:

I give up....I have to clue what our next move will be but I can;t wait til it happens

[Detroit_balla42]

It was a random comment.

[StrikeThree]

Just Laetner, Terry and a pick then?

[Pointguard13]

Just Laetner, Terry and a pick then?

I doubt it....

If the MAVS are gonna take on 5 years of Kidd, then they want the NETS to take on 3 years of some of their bad contracts....

They will give Laettner(6.2 Million/1 year) and a FUTURE 1ST ROUND PICK, but the NETS will have to take one-two of thses contracts......

Tariq Abdul-Waded (6.7 Million/3 years)
Tony Delk (3.2 Million/2 years)
Jerry Stackhouse (7.0 Million/3 years)
Shawn Bradley (4.0 Million/3 years)
Eduardo Najera (3.8 Million/4 years)
Calvin Booth (5.9 Million/3 years)

Mavs would replace Jason Terry with Christian Laettner, but regardless CUBAN AND NELSON want the nets to take some shorter contracts that are abd for Kidd 5 years....

I doubt NETS want to, but KIDD will not be happy in NJ and realisticly, how mnay other TEAMS, GMs, and OWNERS will take on KIDD?????

[Pointguard13]

MARK CUBAN AND DONNIE NELSON AND DONN NELSON ARE ALL GENISUIS

Here is the offical trade.........


Tony Delk (3.2 Million/2 years)
Antoine Walker (14.6 Million/1 year)

for......

Jason Terry (7.0 Million/2 years) TEAM OPTION
Alan Henderson (8.2 Million/1 year)
2007 1st ROUND PICK (unprotected i believe)

[StrikeThree]

With the league office closed Tuesday, the deal cannot be finalized before Wednesday, sources said. Atlanta would also receive Philadelphia's protected first-round pick in 2007.

[Brankles]

Guess that means JKidd ain't comin to Dallas...


Wonder how Terry does on an actual basketball team...



Holla

[Pointguard13]

With the league office closed Tuesday, the deal cannot be finalized before Wednesday, sources said. Atlanta would also receive Philadelphia's protected first-round pick in 2007.

I think DAL gets this pick

[renoclaf40]

The Mavericks are gonna be so raw. They are bout to trade Antoine Walker and Tony Delk for Jaso Terry and Alan Henderson, plus a 2007 First round draft pick. Jason Terry is a great point guard, that draft pick will do them good when the time comes, (since the hawks suck), and they also got Jerry Stackhouse.

I think they recovered well from losing Steve Nash.

[AIRjordan23]

yea man your right the Mavs just got lucky they got jason terry and got to unload antione walker off their roster and they get a valuable 1st round draft pick in 2007. And with their 3 young players- daniels, smith and harris god they have a nice team

[GameStarr]

of course we still gon be better in the long term than the near future so don't expect this team to look TOO sharp for a little bit of time... But we still got a nice squad. Only problem is that pretty much every other team in the West has a nice squad. Still tho, the team only goes as far as Dirk takes us. (Lookin at how he dealin on US squad rite now, that mite be far ha)

[clutch120]

I apologize if theres been 20 like these before, but i want ALL of the MAVS related material in one thread...

Anyways, there are more reasons than this for having an official thread:

- Aside from the Laker Fans, the MAVS FANS are the highest percentage multiple posters that come to this forum

- There is too much mavs related threads spread across the Basketball Discussions forum.

- With the way Mark Cuban has been a mad scientist this year, i dont expect any less of him this season...

- The mavs have been one of Americas most favorite sports teams to watch as voted by ESPN the magazine, Sportsline.com, ESPN.com, ABC news, FOXnews, and many other news sources...

- The MAVS FANS are the BEST fans in the WORLD!!! (Okay, thats slightly biased, but hey...)


Anyways, heres the Latest News.........

[clutch120]

ATLANTA (August 4, 2004) -- The Atlanta Hawks have obtained three-time All-Star Antoine Walker and Tony Delk from the Dallas Mavericks in exchange for Jason Terry, Alan Henderson and a future first-round draft pick, according to Hawks’ General Manager Billy Knight.
“We have acquired two outstanding talents in Antoine and Tony and both will address important needs on our basketball club,” said Knight. “They bring a tremendous amount of big-game experience, a winning attitude and playoff expertise to our revamped roster. Antoine is a proven All-Star who has the ability to play many positions for us, and he will fit in nicely in our system. Tony will give us steady play on a nightly basis at the point and he has the chance to really produce in Atlanta.”

Last season, the versatile Walker (right) averaged 14.0 points, 8.3 rebounds and 4.5 assists in 34.6 minutes, as the only Maverick to start all 82 games. He finished second on the talented squad in rebounding as well as assists, in addition to hitting 42.8 percent of his field goals, 26.9 percent from three-point range and 55.4 percent from the foul line. Walker recorded 60 double-figure scoring games, and finished with 20 or more points 18 times.

An eight-year veteran, he has posted 19.9 ppg, 8.6 rpg and 4.2 apg in 38.8 mpg over 610 career contests. He earned All-Star berths in 1998, 2002 and 2003 (in Atlanta). Named to the NBA All-Rookie team in 1997, Walker led the league in three-pointers made in 2000-01 (221) and in minutes played in 2001-02 (3,406).

The Chicago native possesses significant playoff experience, having played in 31 postseason contests, averaging 18.6 ppg, 8.9 rpg and 3.5 apg (.406 FG%, .360 3FG%, .699 FT%). He was originally selected in the first round (sixth overall) of the 1997 NBA Draft by the Celtics.

Another former Celtic, Maverick and Kentucky Wildcat, Delk is also a veteran with solid experience (465 career games in eight seasons), and has notched 8.8 ppg, 2.5 rpg and 1.9 apg in 21.5 mpg (.405 FG%, .337 3FG%, .772 FT%) over his career.

Originally selected by the Charlotte Hornets in the first round (16th overall) of the 1996 NBA Draft, he has also spent time with Golden State, Sacramento, Phoenix in addition to Boston and Dallas. Delk played in 33 games (11 starts) last season, averaging 6.0 ppg and 1.8 rpg in 15.4 mpg (.380 FG%, .303 3FG%, .841 FT%). He scored in double figures seven times, and missed a total of 59 games due to injury.

Delk (right) had his most productive season to date in 2000-01 (with Phoenix), playing in all 82 games and averaging 12.3 ppg and 3.2 rpg, scoring in double figures 53 times. The 6-2 guard poured in 53 points (without making a three-pointer) in a contest at Sacramento on January 2, 2001.Walker and Delk were also traded together on October 20, 2003, when Dallas acquired the pair in exchange for Raef LaFrentz, Jiri Welsch, Chris Mills and a first-round pick. Both players helped lead the University of Kentucky to the 1996 NCAA championship (along with former Hawk and current NY Knick center Nazr Mohammed). Delk was named MVP of the Final Four and the Midwest Regional, scoring 24 points in the title game against Syracuse.

Terry, selected by the Hawks 10th overall in the 1999 NBA Draft, finishes his Atlanta career with averages of 16.2 ppg, 5.5 rpg and 3.3 apg in 403 games (341 starts), shooting .427 FG%, .367 3FG% and .827 FT%).

Terry ranks prominently in several Hawks career lists including three-pointers made (2nd), three-pointers attempted (4th), free throw percentage (3rd), assists (8th) and steals (6th). The 6-2 guard was second on the team in scoring last year at 16.8 ppg, and led the club in assists each of the last five seasons.

The trade of Henderson snaps his stretch as the second-longest tenured player with the same team in the NBA currently (behind Indiana’s Reggie Miller), having spent his first nine seasons with the Hawks. He was slowed by injury (various back ailments) last season, appearing in six games and averaging 4.0 ppg and 3.5 rpg (.476 FG%, .667 FT%).

The winner of the 1997-98 Most Improved Player award, Henderson had his best offensive season in that campaign averaging 14.3 ppg and 6.4 rpg. Over his 485-game career (202 starts), he has posted averages of 9.4 ppg and 5.5 rpg (.461 FG%, .641 FT%). He was originally drafted by the Hawks in the first round (16th overall) of the 1995 NBA Draft.

[clutch120]

A Mavs source tells DallasBasketball.com that the Antoine Walker-for-Jason Terry and Alan Henderson deal could be “part of a bigger picture’’ and that Terry “gives us great protection in case we can’t get anything else done at point guard.’’

That’s a hint that contradicts reports that this deal with Atlanta will kill Dallas’ pursuit of Jason Kidd. It is, rather, an insurance policy against the Mavs’ inability to pull off a deal for Kidd (or another suitable replacement for the departed Steve Nash).

All Mavs owner Mark Cuban will say: “There is still lots of juggling going on.’’

The swap that would ship Walker to the Hawks in exchange for Terry (who can play both guard positions and is a capable scorer at 16.8 ppg last year) and Henderson (a throw-in forward whose name comes up annually in Dallas’ search for interior help) therefore means a lot now – and maybe more later:

The ill-fitting Walker (who oughta really love the Hawks!) and his expiring contract fails to net Dallas its needed big man. In fact, assuming Henderson as a throw-in, Walker’s rebound prowess is now lost – in a sense making the Mavs smaller, not bigger. (More details: Tony Delk and an Atlanta No. 1 pick are said to also be involved.)

Terry eases the Mavs’ concerns at point guard – but not in the way ESPN’s Chad Ford suggests. Ford says the ballhandling abilities of Dirk Nowitzki and others “really lessens the need for the Mavs to have a true point in the backcourt.’’ That’s just nonsense, and demonstrates a lack of understanding of what Nellie’s offense does. A true point guard – like Kidd now, like Devin Harris someday soon -- is the centerpiece of this thing.

Anyway, if rookie Harris is a bit slow to develop, Terry is Dallas’ starting point guard today. If Harris is immediately everything the club believes he will be, Terry can play the other guard. And if another point-guard acquisition comes down, Terry is part of the bait that can make it happen.

Terry-as-a-2 makes for quite a crowd at the swingman spot, where Marquis Daniels, Michael Finley, Jerry Stackhouse and Josh Howard are among the prominent names already vying for minutes. Oh, and Hawks watcher Lang Whitaker of Slam Magazine checks in to note that Terry greatly prefers the point to the 2 spot.

Therefore, the preliminary reports of this deal might need to be supplemented with some patience in anticipation of an additional deal. Dallas’ roster is bloated, and the organization promises to end up making 2-for-1’s and 3-for-1’s that cause the exit of some end-of-benchers.

Terry’s rep as a defender exceeds that of the departed Nash. (Kidd, of course, is also considered an excellent defender.) So if he stays, Terry fulfills the Mavs’ promise to improve the club’s defensive focus. At the same time, his offensive prowess fulfills our wish that the Mavs get away from what we call “two-platoon’’ basketball, where half the roster is adept at offense and half the roster adept at defense. Terry – like Daniels, Harris and only a few others – can play at both ends of the floor.

Terry is just 6-2, 180 – with a body not unlike Harris’ – but has shown himself statistically to be capable in all areas. In 2000-01, he averaged 19.7 a game. In 2002-03, he averaged 7.4 assists. Last year, he averaged 4-1 rebounds. Of course, you’d like to see him do all those things in one year, together. … and you’d like to see him do what he did against the Mavs in January of 2002, when the Arizona product (and 10th pick in the 1999 draft) hit a career high of 46 points.

Both contracts are attractive. Henderson (who played in just six games last year) in the last year of a contract that pays him just over $8.2 million. Terry has two years and $14 million left on the contract he got last year when the Hawks matched an offer sheet from Utah. It should be noted that Terry reportedly has, as a result of those machinations, a no-trade clause for any deal done before mid-September. ... but surely no Hawk turns down a deal to leave, right?

And we’ll say it one more time: The reports of this deal including mention of the adjoining death of Dallas’ pursuit of Jason Kidd are wrong. Dallas’ interest was real before. … Why would it be dead now? We know there are more trades to come. … and Jason Terry could be both the tip of the iceberg if it happens, and a nice chunk of consolation ice if it does not.

[mavs128]

All I can say is, Alan Henderson, comeback player of the year.

Isn't it obvious?

[Pointguard13]

The MAVS FANS are the BEST fans in the WORLD!!!

:wink: :D :wink: :D

A little info about the TRADE...

The first round pick the Mavs aquried from ATLANTA VIA PHILA has some sitpulations(sp.).....

PHILA already owes a PROTECTED TOP #8 pick to NJ......(I have heard top 8 protected and lottey protected so i'm not sure)

then they have to wait two years b4 DALLAS recieves their first round pick....so best case scenario for BIG D.....

04-05 SEASON:
:arrow: PHILA MAKES the PLAYOFFS
:arrow: NJ recieves PHILA's 1st round pick

05-06 SEASON:
:arrow: PHILA does anything
:arrow: PHILA keeps 1st round pick

06-07 SEASON:
:arrow: PHILA does horrible
:arrow: MAVS recieve a high draft choice(but regardless MAVS get thier pick)

[Detroit_balla42]

The MAVS FANS are the BEST fans in the WORLD!!!

Pistons fans led league in attendance 2 seasons in a row. :D Get it right! Who knows how many are watching at home, but it's alot. :lol:

[GameStarr]

Yo do I don't gotta jus post news in here do I?

This is an opinion if I don't. I like the trade, mostly because I don't think its a permanent thing. I think that it is gonna be somethin to use in future trades should they occur. However if they don't, then we still fill a guard position that lacked beforehand. And we also get another expiring contract to offer so Antoine aint that missed. Looks like the backcourts will be solid both starting and off the bench this season.

[Pointguard13]

DIRK was doing them boys today.....The shot at the end really showed me somehting...He hasn't been one of those guys who demands the ball at the end of the game yet, but hoepfully with that shot he made with :03 seconds left and two guys jumping at him will help him....

We are not done dealing, but out roster looks good....

A friend told me (for those that listen to 1310..."The Ticket") that the Mavs are looking to package the 1st round pick with players to make another trade this week....dunno if this will happen but i can't wait to see....

ALSO, the 1st round pick we got is actually the 76ers pick that atlanta aquired when trading gleen robinson to philly.......

[GameStarr]

O i aint kno that wuz the same pick... 2007 tho rite? Either way if they can package that with sum players (I dunno who tho, I don't really think I want anybody jus outta here...maybe Bradley ha) and pick up a functional starting frontcourt partner for Dirk then we'd really be in good shape, kinda a suprise squad like the Jazz were last year. But Booth does help a little bit with that so we might not need one as much. (Considering we already have 4 centers: DJ, Bradley, Pavel, and Booth and that don't count Lattener who'd get sum time at the 5 likely) Fill up tha 3 hole I would think.

[Pointguard13]

Rumor on DALLAS SPORTS RADIO (1310 the ticket) is that the 1st rounder from the trade will be packaged in a trade later this week

[K Bomber]

I apologize if theres been 20 like these before, but i want ALL of the MAVS related material in one thread...

Anyways, there are more reasons than this for having an official thread:

- Aside from the Laker Fans, the MAVS FANS are the highest percentage multiple posters that come to this forum

- There is too much mavs related threads spread across the Basketball Discussions forum.

- With the way Mark Cuban has been a mad scientist this year, i dont expect any less of him this season...

- The mavs have been one of Americas most favorite sports teams to watch as voted by ESPN the magazine, Sportsline.com, ESPN.com, ABC news, FOXnews, and many other news sources...

- The MAVS FANS are the BEST fans in the WORLD!!! (Okay, thats slightly biased, but hey...)


Anyways, heres the Latest News.........
clutch, can you explain to me exactly why you are creating a new "Official" thread when it was you who created the first one? The concept of SPAM includes redundant posting and in a case like this it's even more dumbfounding. Sometimes I can see when someone who's not searched through the board drops in a redendant thread, but are you telling me you can't even remember what threads you've started now?

Use you head, please

THREAD MERGED: ~OFFICIAL Dallas Mavericks Thread~

[clutch120]

Pistons fans led league in attendance 2 seasons in a row. :D Get it right! Who knows how many are watching at home, but it's alot. :lol:

haha ... but you KNOW its only cuz the PALACE is bigger than the AAC...

Im pretty sure there are more non-dallas inhibited people (like me) who live elsewhere and favor the mavs over any other NBA team...


clutch, can you explain to me exactly why you are creating a new "Official" thread when it was you who created the first one? The concept of SPAM includes redundant posting and in a case like this it's even more dumbfounding. Sometimes I can see when someone who's not searched through the board drops in a redendant thread, but are you telling me you can't even remember what threads you've started now?

it was over a YEAR ago... wow. wiz did the exact same thing with the lakers and its totally fine... NEW YEAR. NEW TEAM. NEW OFFICIAL THREAD. dont bust your balls tryin to play Mr. Nerdy Admin...

Anyway, thanks for merging the two threads ( i think...)


Use you head, please

I beleive that is a typo, sir. (if we are still keeping track :wink: )


Yo do I don't gotta jus post news in here do I?

anything that has to do with mavs... news, storys, opinions, fan-clatter, et cetera... et cetera...


Lets see how our boys do this year....

[K Bomber]

dont bust your balls tryin to play Mr. Nerdy Admin...


See you in a couple of weeks....................

[Pointguard13]

Back to the topic at hand.....THE MAVS

[dirtybirdie]

Who is DJ??? even tho i live close to dallas im not much of a fan dont blame me :/ also who is jyp on the bulls??? PArgo??

[GameStarr]

hmmm... not a lot I can tell you since he was pretty much unknown to most b4 the Mavs courted him but from what I've heard coming out of the Summer League, he has good speed and is active defensively, but his offense needs some work. He also has nice size (7'0 and 220 ESPN had him listed at) and these are things that D-town lacked. (for almost forever it seems) He still gotta prove himself this season tho.

And I think that is Janette (or however) Pargo, but I ain't sure. Seems like that's all it could be tho.

[Pointguard13]

it is actually....JYD..which is Junk Yard Dog...which is Jerome Williams

DJ:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v334/Pointguard01/th_mbenga.jpg

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/img/07-04/0705gg.jpg

http://users.pandora.be/tomteddy/mbenga7.jpg

Donn Nelson said he's 7'0" 260 lbs. on a radio show a few days after they signed him.....

[Pointguard13]

Bringbackclutch???? :lol: :lol: :lol:

What happened?

I think Booth will start if we keep our current team (which he wont and can't ) but I'm still hoping we pull a deal for Dampier, A.Davis, or another BIG MAN....

[Xrayballer88]

Did the Mavs get better or worse this offseason? I can't tell. They lost Nash and Jamison so far but they got Daniels and Howard coming up and they got Stackhouse.

[Pointguard13]

Did the Mavs get better or worse this offseason? I can't tell. They lost Nash and Jamison so far but they got Daniels and Howard coming up and they got Stackhouse.

Weve also added Jason Terry, Devn Harrus, Didier Ilunga-Mbenga, and two expiring contracts that are attractive trade bait...

Right now, we havm't gotten better (but much younger) but with 17 players on roster and twp expiring contracts left, I see us making a couple of more moves...

MAVS FANS....REMEMBER THIS DATE.

AUGUST 24TH :wink:

[KingESPN]

The mavs should of never got rid of nash and nick van exel, thats why they arent doin that good now...

[StrikeThree]

The mavs should of never got rid of nash and nick van exel, thats why they arent doin that good now...
They haven't played a game without Nash yet.

[ESPN NBA BB 2K5]

Don't kno If this was discussed yet (didn't feel like readin' 10 (pages), but what do u guys think the Lineup is lookin' like right now?
Bradley/Booth
Nowitzki
Stackhouse
Finley
Terry

[Pointguard13]

Most of the pages are from the season and discussions aout the MAVS during them..There's only about 3 about the MAVS off-season


The mavs should of never got rid of nash and nick van exel, thats why they arent doin that good now...


They haven't played a game without Nash yet.

PG-J.Terry/D.Harris/A.Johnson
SG-M.Daniels/J.Stackhouse/J.Staffanson
SF-M.Finley/J.Howard/T.Abdul-Waded
PF-D.Nowitski/D/Mbenga/E.Najera
C-C.Booth/S.Bradley/P.Podkolzin

*Alan Henderson and Christian Laettner have basically no chance to be on the roster....Most likely they'll be traded, but so will some of the other ole players...Hard to tell...but that's def how it would look with this team

BUT WE HAVE 17 PLAYERS

[Pointguard13]

You got banned for making a repetitive thread??

That happens every day it seems now

BACK TO THE MAVS (again)............

[ESPN NBA BB 2K5]

PG-J.Terry/D.Harris/A.Johnson
SG-M.Daniels/J.Stackhouse/J.Staffanson
SF-M.Finley/J.Howard/T.Abdul-Waded
PF-D.Nowitski/D/Mbenga/E.Najera
C-C.Booth/S.Bradley/P.Podkolzin

*Alan Henderson and Christian Laettner have basically no chance to be on the roster....Most likely they'll be traded, but so will some of the other ole players...Hard to tell...but that's def how it would look with this team
U think tha Mavs gonna start Daniels over Stackhouse? I hope not. I think Christian has a good chance of bein' on tha roster....

[Pointguard13]

PG-J.Terry/D.Harris/A.Johnson
SG-M.Daniels/J.Stackhouse/J.Staffanson
SF-M.Finley/J.Howard/T.Abdul-Waded
PF-D.Nowitski/D/Mbenga/E.Najera
C-C.Booth/S.Bradley/P.Podkolzin

*Alan Henderson and Christian Laettner have basically no chance to be on the roster....Most likely they'll be traded, but so will some of the other ole players...Hard to tell...but that's def how it would look with this team
U think tha Mavs gonna start Daniels over Stackhouse? I hope not. I think Christian has a good chance of bein' on tha roster....

I guarentee that roster will look much different as early as AUGUST 24th.....ANd yes, Marquis will start over DANIELS....a few reasons..

1.) Daniels can help Terry handle the ball betta than STack can and b/c Terry is more of a 2-guard this will allow him to play off the ball a couple times...

2.) DANIELS is simply betta, younger...He's a better defender, as betta passer, and a has a betta shooting percentage, a betta shot blocker, betta at getting steals, and prob. a better rebounder...STACK may be a betta scroer but DANIELS isn't bad at doing that either.....

3.) Laettner, yes if he were on the MAVS roster would be a 2nd or 3rd string PF/C but in no way will be be here on the opening day...his contract is very valuable (STACKHOUSE may be gone too)

[ESPN NBA BB 2K5]

I guarentee that roster will look much different as early as AUGUST 24th.....ANd yes, Marquis will start over DANIELS....a few reasons..

Marquis will start over Daniels? Is there more than one Daniels on the Mavs?? cuz I see u said Marquis and then Daniels and u aslo used Daniles in caps....

[Xrayballer88]

I guarentee that roster will look much different as early as AUGUST 24th.....ANd yes, Marquis will start over DANIELS....a few reasons..

Marquis will start over Daniels? Is there more than one Daniels on the Mavs?? cuz I see u said Marquis and then Daniels and u aslo used Daniles in caps....

:lol: ...lol... :lol:

[Pointguard13]

:lol: :lol: ...Like the 3rd time i've done that.....

BUT DANIELS will start over STACKHOUSE EASILY *thinking hard*

for the above mentioned reasons...

[Xrayballer88]

:lol: :lol: ...Like the 3rd time i've done that.....

BUT DANIELS will start over STACKHOUSE EASILY *thinking hard*

for the above mentioned reasons...

I don't see Daniels starting over Stackhouse but if he does then, good call. :?

[RapboY]

Daniels SHOULD start, stackhouse is not the same all-star playa he was a few years ago, end daniels is starting to shape up as one of dallas's prime performers, so the starting lineup, for me, would probably be:

C-Booth (not regularly)
PF-Nowitzki
SF-Finley
SG-Daniels
PG-Terry

p.s. I hope they trade stackhouse, laettner and terry for a superstar PG, like JKidd or Baron... i know it's not so possible, but if they do add one of those two PGs in their roster, then the championship won't be out of reach.. :wink:

[Xrayballer88]

Looks like the most logical solution would be to trade Stackhouse or Finley for a respectable center.

[Pointguard13]

^^That's the starting lineup witht he current team^^^

BUT KIDD or BARON don't bring a championship until we add a BIG MAN TWO...I have heard Jason Terry on DALLAS radio stations and he seems like a down to earth guy...He is so happy to be in DALLAS...I heard another MAV fan sya that NVE had a segment on a radio station whne he was in dallas and he never seemed happy to be there, but TERRY was answering questions in depth and his voive sounded excited...

Last year, many ATL fans i've talked to bout TERRY say it seemed he didn;t even care (He OBV didn;t want ATL to mathc the offer sheet to UTAH)...But he has said he is all focus now and ready to do whatever..and now thta he wont/can't be the go-to guy he can put more energy to be a good defender, B/C as quick as he is, he has the ability to be on..he's got good/maybe great lateral quickness...........

DAL and CHI
Jerry Stackhouse (7.0 Million/3 years)
Christian Laettner (6.3 Million/1 year)
Eduardo Najera (3.8 Million/3 years)
for....
Antonio Davis (12.0 Million/2 years)
Eddie Robinson (6.7 Million/2 years)

and.......

DAL and GS
Trade Exception
for....
Evan Eschmeyer (3.1 Million/3 years)

Erick Dampier (S&T 7.5 Million/4 years)
for.....
Alan Henderson (8.2 Million/1 year)
1st Round Pick (2007 via ATL via PHI)

DAL-
PG-J.Terry/D.Harris/A.Johnson
SG-M.Daniels/J.Howard/J.Stafenson
SF-M.Finley/E.Robinson/T.Abdul-Waded
PF-D.Nowitski/C.Booth/D.Mbenga
C-E.Dampier/A.Davis/P.Podkolzin

[Xrayballer88]

Me being a big E-Rob fan I'd have to say, take Harrington instead lol.

[Pointguard13]

Xray...lol...I was gonna put after the trade something about you being a erob fan and all......

But from the sound of it, Erob wont be getting any PT with ya'll's coach, but if this trade went dwon he could get 10-15 mpg with the MAVS and he'd thrive in our run and gun style....I love his game too, and the way we play offense and the ability for him to be a good defender with his length and athleticism, I'd love for that trade to go down...We also get a solid C (compared to what we got)

[StrikeThree]

Lets just hope that all these moves the Mavs made work out for the better.

[RapboY]

^^That's the starting lineup witht he current team^^^

BUT KIDD or BARON don't bring a championship until we add a BIG MAN TWO...I have heard Jason Terry on DALLAS radio stations and he seems like a down to earth guy...He is so happy to be in DALLAS...I heard another MAV fan sya that NVE had a segment on a radio station whne he was in dallas and he never seemed happy to be there, but TERRY was answering questions in depth and his voive sounded excited...

Last year, many ATL fans i've talked to bout TERRY say it seemed he didn;t even care (He OBV didn;t want ATL to mathc the offer sheet to UTAH)...But he has said he is all focus now and ready to do whatever..and now thta he wont/can't be the go-to guy he can put more energy to be a good defender, B/C as quick as he is, he has the ability to be on..he's got good/maybe great lateral quickness............

well.. terry's a good guard.. he has a lot of potential in him.. i just hope that he plays good and mix well with the team.. and you had nowitzki spelled wrong.. check it..:wink:

also..
Looks like the most logical solution would be to trade Stackhouse or Finley for a respectable center.

i don't think the mavs will trade finley.. he's still good and he's a clutch player.. but i really want them to trade stackhouse... they don't need him.. they have marquis and howard, both can play at least 2 postions (marquis- pg, sg, even sf, and howard- sg and sf) both are young and promising players... stackhouse is still good.. but he has gone over his peak years.. he may even become a liability to the team.. :?

[Pointguard13]

and you had nowitzki spelled wrong

Wasn't even close to the only mistake I made in that post..Z-S????THe point was made....

I am TELLING YA'LL....The MAVS TEAM WILL be shaken up in a week or two..just wait and watch...there's no possible way (100 % sure) that the MAVS will not make another move...I KNOW THEY WILL....and i'm looking for one soon....JUST BE READY

[darayduz]

trade just reported on espn:
Dampier, Dickau, Eschemeyer
for
Najera, Laettner, two first rounders

[Pointguard13]

Dallas gets:
Eric Dampier
Evan Eschmeyer
Dan Dickau

Golden State gets:
Christian Laettner
Eduardo Najera
2 future first round picks
$3 Million dollars

WE ARE OFFICAL CONTENDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am so happy..and look what we gave up.....WOW...yes

[kcrate06]

im glad my 2nd favorite team got rid of najera. i hate him

[kcrate06]

im glad my 2nd favorite team got rid of najera. i hate him

[Pointguard13]

me2...

GS IS STUPID...NAJERA HAS 3.8 million left over 4 YEARS!!!!!'

Yes 4 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RapboY]

no F**kin' way man!!!!! :shock: i'm estatic ryt now!!! oh man.. will this be a dallas season or what!?! i don't think dampier will do a GP move of sayin that he won't play for the team he was traded to... so... a true center for the mavs.. at last... and also.. if pavel gathers stats around 4-5-1 in his rookie year, and devin around 8-1-3, then the mavs are truly, officially finals contenders...

[RapboY]

SF-M.Finley/J.Howard/T.Abdul-Waded


i just noticed this now... was that done on purpose? cuz if it was... it's funny... the WADED thing... tariq's career's sort of dead... that's why i find it funny...

pointguard01... sorry if i seem like a know-it-all, cuz i've seen two of your typos already... it's just that the first one, the Nowitski, he's my 2nd favorite player, so i hate it if his surname's spelled wrong... and this... the WADED... it's just funny... so i had to share it... :D

[AIRjordan23]

mavericks this could very well be their year i think thell finish in 2 or 3 in the west but i think thell make it deep into the playoffs.

[Pointguard13]

no F**kin' way man!!!!! :shock: i'm estatic ryt now!!! oh man.. will this be a dallas season or what!?! i don't think dampier will do a GP move of sayin that he won't play for the team he was traded to... so... a true center for the mavs.. at last... and also.. if pavel gathers stats around 4-5-1 in his rookie year, and devin around 8-1-3, then the mavs are truly, officially finals contenders...

DAMPIER will have to sign the contract and agree to play for DALLAS before he can be trade as he is a FA if you havn't noticed.....SO there's no way DAMPIER would be unhappy about coming....He can easily reject the trade but considering it looks like a starting salary will be 8.0 Million over 5 years with a 12.% percent icnrease and he's going to a winning team, he'll be hard pressed to say NO to this.....

Ummm Pavel will eithe rbe a 12th man or IR player this year....

PICTURE Darko Milicic w/o the bright blonde hair and 4 inches taller...

PAVEL will be be getting any consistent mintues when the game is tight, on the line...He may get mop-up duties like DARKO but that's it...

I also heard that he could play in EUROPE this next season, but i dunnp how since he already signe dhis contract, but i am sure it can be worked out.....

Bradley and ESP Booth and maybe Didier Ilunga-Mbenga are ahead of PAVEL....Dont expect much out of him....ACTUALLY, dont excpect anything out of him this year...

I love him and think he'll be good in 3 years but this year NO WAY!

mavericks this could very well be their year i think thell finish in 2 or 3 in the west but i think thell make it deep into the playoffs.

Yeah, I see us getting the #4 seed b/c SPURS will be in our division and look to win it, so then the other two division winners (regardless of record) will get #2 and #3, and then we'll fall somewhere after that.....

BUT i am looking forward to going deep in the playoffs...

SF-M.Finley/J.Howard/T.Abdul-Waded

i just noticed this now... was that done on purpose? cuz if it was... it's funny... the WADED thing... tariq's career's sort of dead... that's why i find it funny...

pointguard01... sorry if i seem like a know-it-all, cuz i've seen two of your typos already... it's just that the first one, the Nowitski, he's my 2nd favorite player, so i hate it if his surname's spelled wrong... and this... the WADED... it's just funny... so i had to share it...

HOW???

I was just posting the 15 man roster that the MAVS would have as on now and TAW has to go somewhere ...Of course he'll be the #14 guy on IR prob., with only Avery Johnson being #15 behind him since AVERY is also a "coach" too........

Maybe I missed it????

And just for clarification, TAW is actually healthy but Nellie doesn't like him as a player so the MAVS make up injuries sometime sfor him (like most NBA team do when they have 15 players and not many injuried)

If we went somewhere else that was talented, but had a WEAK BENCH, he would be productive as a post hustle guy who can be a ok defender....

[BN]

Can't believe you guys got Dampier...

I'm considering a conversion to a maverinean...


Whats the likely lineup for the team?

[Pointguard13]

1st STRING=
Jason Terry
Marquis Daniels
Michael Finley
Dirk Nowitzki
Erick Dampier

2nd STRING=
Devin Harris
Jerry Stackhouse
Josh Howard
Didier Ilunga-Mbenga
Calvin Booth

3rd STRING=
Avery Johnson
Jon Steffansson
Tariq Abdul-Waded
Alan Henderson
Pavel Podkolzin

4th STRING=
Dan Dickau
Evan Eschmeyer
Shawn Bradley

WHAT other team had 4 strings? (well besides the Grizz)

[RapboY]

no F**kin' way man!!!!! :shock: i'm estatic ryt now!!! oh man.. will this be a dallas season or what!?! i don't think dampier will do a GP move of sayin that he won't play for the team he was traded to... so... a true center for the mavs.. at last... and also.. if pavel gathers stats around 4-5-1 in his rookie year, and devin around 8-1-3, then the mavs are truly, officially finals contenders...

DAMPIER will have to sign the contract and agree to play for DALLAS before he can be trade as he is a FA if you havn't noticed.....SO there's no way DAMPIER would be unhappy about coming....He can easily reject the trade but considering it looks like a starting salary will be 8.0 Million over 5 years with a 12.% percent icnrease and he's going to a winning team, he'll be hard pressed to say NO to this.....

Ummm Pavel will eithe rbe a 12th man or IR player this year....

PICTURE Darko Milicic w/o the bright blonde hair and 4 inches taller...

PAVEL will be be getting any consistent mintues when the game is tight, on the line...He may get mop-up duties like DARKO but that's it...

I also heard that he could play in EUROPE this next season, but i dunnp how since he already signe dhis contract, but i am sure it can be worked out.....

Bradley and ESP Booth and maybe Didier Ilunga-Mbenga are ahead of PAVEL....Dont expect much out of him....ACTUALLY, dont excpect anything out of him this year...

I love him and think he'll be good in 3 years but this year NO WAY!

about dampier wanting to join dallas... that's my point... i just couldn't say it clearly...

about pavel... yeah... i was just too happy the tym i wrote that post.. lol... so.. guess he'll be this year's darko... and to think about it... the scouting report on him sounds darko-ish... lol... thanks for the correction..

man.. i'm so excited for next season.. i'll also be watching out for the rockets and heat... hope these two teams who had major changes play good enough to reach the playoffs...

[Pointguard13]

man.. i'm so excited for next season.. i'll also be watching out for the rockets and heat... hope these two teams who had major changes play good enough to reach the playoffs...

me2.....I really think we'll do very well...even if DAMPIER is not what he was last year (but i expect him to be)

We're so deep right now at the 1-2-3 positions, and we're solid at the 4-5 positions with two young prospects in DJ and Pavel who won't get much PT this year.....

BUT dont forget......

1.) This trade is only 90% done...

2.) There is at leats one to two more trades up CUABN's sleave.....

Can we say KHV?? :wink:

[AIRjordan23]

the mavs are practiclly stacked with three young players, josh howard marquis daniels and devin harris. michael finley still can shoot and make plays. Dirk is always a contender for MVP and erick dampier is a good replacement for danny fortson or shawn bradley who ever used to play center

[Pointguard13]

and we're still gonna be shoppers this off-season...and probably can get a good player for nothing..

Alan Henderson at 8.3 Million/1 year is very attractive to many teams, so I expect we will trade him eventually, and will add yet another good player (hopefully a solid backup PF)

[dirtybirdie]

Doesnt TAW have a big contract?? i watched him play for the magic during around 2000 nad he was pretty good putting up around 18-20 points per game... shame they dont use him

[Pointguard13]

Yeah, 6.7 Million / 3 years......

Reports are that Nellie doesn;t like him even though TAW is finally healthy after 1-2 injury prone seasons....

I like him too, but his contract is very ugly....

But the MAVS have plenty of bad contracts, what's one more when ur 30 million over the CAP.

I think he could still be a good role player off the bench in 15 mpg but he wont get it with the MAVS b/c of Nellie and our talent at the SG/SF position

[AIRjordan23]

who is TAW?????? :?:

[og15]

who is TAW?????? :?:
Tariq Abdul Wahad

[Pointguard13]

Dampier inks 7 year, 73 Million

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1867027

Side Note, We also got Steve Logan...He was a pretty good player when he came out of college..maybe next year when Avery Johnson becomes a full time head/assisstant coach, we can se him for a 3rd stringer


BTW, Thanks for the name change OG

[Pointguard13]

QUOTES FROM:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/basketball/mavs/stories/082504dnspomavslede.ac66e230.html


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/columnists/dmoore/stories/082504dnspomoore.bcb34.html


An age discrepancy that was clarified last week allowed Dampier to sign a seven-year, $63 million contract. That helped bring the 29-year-old to Dallas. And, yes, Dampier is officially 29, a year younger than he is listed in official NBA guides and registers. Dampier's records with the league had his birth date as July 14, 1974. However, he actually was born in 1975, meaning he turned 29 last month.

"We feel pretty good about our roster. ... I think this is probably the team we'll put on the floor, subject to some minor tweaks."

If the season began today, the Mavericks' starting lineup would look like this: Dampier, Dirk Nowitzki, Michael Finley, Marquis Daniels and Jason Terry.

Off the bench would be Devin Harris, Josh Howard, Jerry Stackhouse, Shawn Bradley, Calvin Booth and D.J. Mbenga. The rest of the roster: Evan Eschmeyer, Dan Dickau, Pavel Podkolzin, Tariq Abdul-Wahad, Alan Henderson, Jon Stefansson and Avery Johnson, who says he will sign with the club. The Mavericks will have to trim the roster to 15 players by opening day.

Another possible concern is that Don Nelson has never enjoyed much success when coaching true centers. He had Patrick Ewing for four months in New York, but the two never were on the same page.

Avery Johnson isn't on the Dallas payroll. Yet. That oversight will be corrected this week when the veteran point guard signs as a player-coach and takes part in the Dampier news conference.

Don't mistake the lack of a contract for a lack of involvement. Johnson has been working behind the scenes all summer with Donnie Nelson, the club's president of basketball operations, to reshape the roster. He didn't need a spot on Don Nelson's staff as an assistant – a role that becomes official this week – for his voice to be heard.

The elder Nelson said his son and Johnson have discussed personnel matters daily during the off-season, then filled him in on what they want to accomplish. Johnson's fingerprints are on every move the Mavericks have made.

Especially Dampier.

Johnson was Dampier's strongest advocate. He assuaged any concerns the Mavericks had about the center's attitude or ability to fit into their scheme. He pushed the idea that Dampier would give the team two vital qualities it had lacked – a physical presence on defense and a viable low-post option to improve its half-court offense.

It was Johnson who helped convince the Mavericks to make the deal.

A role that should grow even bigger as the franchise moves forward.

Nelson wouldn't have been so accommodating in giving up personnel control if it didn't benefit his son and Johnson. Owner Mark Cuban wouldn't have allowed Johnson to assume this strong of a voice in the organization unless he considered him a leading candidate to replace Nelson.

Johnson will have an active role in running practice, just as he did in his last tour of duty in Dallas. The guess here is that he will spend most of the season on the injured list.

"There are not many centers out there of Dampier's caliber," Johnson said. "I'm just sorry we had to give up a guy like Eduardo Najera in this deal. That's the big thing for me. Our business is about people."

Spoken like someone who intends to be around for a while.

[AIRjordan23]

sounds like a championship team

[ut_jazz]

I wouldn't say championship team.
Dallas has always been "one good Center" away from a championship. First it was Bradley, then LaFrentz, now Dampier? Does anyone see a pattern here? Not to mention Dampier has really only had two good seasons, both in contract years? If that isnt' a red flag, I don't know what is.

Nellie is probably going on the hotseat this year. Cuban hasn't been forking over that cash in order to make himself feel better. The teams of the last few years were perfect for Nellie's style. Now though, with Nash gone and Dampier in the mix, he'll seriously need to retool his O in order to compensate.

[Pointguard13]

I wouldn't say championship team.
Dallas has always been "one good Center" away from a championship. First it was Bradley, then LaFrentz, now Dampier? Does anyone see a pattern here? Not to mention Dampier has really only had two good seasons, both in contract years? If that isnt' a red flag, I don't know what is.

Nellie is probably going on the hotseat this year. Cuban hasn't been forking over that cash in order to make himself feel better. The teams of the last few years were perfect for Nellie's style. Now though, with Nash gone and Dampier in the mix, he'll seriously need to retool his O in order to compensate.

There's a big difference between Shawn Bradley and Raef LaFrantz to Erick Dampier....

Reaf streghth = Shooting
Erick's strength = rebounding

Shawn while a great shot blocker (b/c of size) has no defense one-on-one and he weaker than most SGs......

Even if ERICK goes back to 8 ppg and 8 rpg...that's a huge idfference from what we have had....and we're not getting him to average 10+ ppg...he need his toughness, physical play, and he'll be our best low post option (he ain't 1/2 bad from what avery johnson and many experst say)

I put MAVS behind SA Spurs adn Minny T'Wolves but I think they have a chance to be better than both if everypne can come together as a team.

[ut_jazz]

yeah that is true, damp is a different kind of center than raef or bradley..he's actually a banger, a physical center. THAT's what has been lacking in dallas. if he plays like he did last year, then i think he does fill a gap that raef or bradley couldn't fill, BUT, we really don't know if he will play like last year since he's got 7 years of contract guaranteed no matter what.........

damp, booth, bradley, eschmeyer
nowitzki, henderson
finley, howard
stackhouse, daniels
terry, harris, dickau

nobody knows how to blow up a roster like cuban.

on paper, i think they have a decent team. but sometimes what's on paper doesn't turn out the way you want it to in real life. a lot of things could go wrong with this lineup.

[Pointguard13]

If DAMPIER plays like he did when he got 8 ppg and 8 rpg...that's still better than SHAWN and RAEF did combined for what we need...

We're more than a decent team on paper...We're lethal...

I agree things could go wrong, but they could on the JAZZ also...or the Lakers, or any other team that has made changes....

But when u say........

Dallas has always been "one good Center" away from a championship

and then you say we aren't even close to SA or MIN, that doesn;t make sense..DAMPIER is that exact CENTER we needed, even if he plays uninspired and crap like that......

So if we've been one center away and now we have a center, where does that put us.

We have a chance to be the best team in the WEST

[batron]

The thing with the Jazz though, is they didn't lose their starting all star point guard, they gained a potential all star forward, they did lose Greg Ostertag, but what they will get in Mehmet Okur will more then make up for it. It is going to be a great year, almost every team in the west is a toss up minus the warriors, New Orleans, the Clippers, and seattle doesn't seem like they are going to do a ton unless Robert Swift starts his career big.

Teams I see in the running for playoff spots

San Antonio will be there if Tim Duncan stays healthy
Timberwolves will be there if Garnett stays healthy

and after that every single team minus the four I mentioned earlier are in the running.

Otherwise

Houston
Sacramento
Dallas
Utah
Denver
Lakers
Memphis
Phoenix
Portland

That leaves 11 teams going for 8 spots

My predictions are

1. San Antonio 55 - 27
2. Houston 53 - 29
3. Sacramento 51 - 31
4. Dallas 50 - 32
5. Timberwolves 48 - 34
6. Utah 48 - 34
7. Denver 45 - 37
8. Memphis 41 - 41

And the Top seven teams will all be with in 10 games of eachother, and the Grizz will barely edge out portland by a game or so 14 games back of San Antonio

[Pointguard13]

Houston is too thin to be that good.....I think the majority agree KOBE > TMAC and SHAQ >>> YAO....GP > Ward ??......Malone=J.Howard????

I dont see HOUSTON being that good....Houston also couldn;t be the 2nd seed as they are in the same division as SA so if those were the standings, Houston would be 4th, TWOLVES 3rd, SAC 2nd, and DALLAS 5th....

DALLAS is so dangerous...They still have a offense top 5..AM I correct. Dirk, Finley, Terry, Stackhouse, Daniels, Harris, can all score, and score well.


Their Defense is much better than last year.......

Terry has a lot more quickness than Nash, and with Terry not needed to be the go-to-guy, or even the 2nd option, he'll save more energy to play of defense....

Terry is so excited to be in DALLAS that I believe he'll do whatever it takes to impress everyone to keep him and not go after some1 like Kidd (I hope Terry does).....This is like a dream for him to be here...He never intented to be a HAWK last year....

DAMPIER adds so much to our team..His ability to rebound, block shots, but most importantly play physical and hold his position in te paint in something we haven;t had in DALLAS in a good 3 years.

Howard and Daniels as out shut down wing players is much better than sticking Finley on the outstanding SG of the other team.

This team is also deep.....The MAVS (according to this very own board) have gotten say in having one of the top starting 5's in the league and also got the best feed-back about having the best 2nd team in the NBA.

I am so excited for this season....

[twistaeffect2003]

I have never been this excited for a Mavericks team before. Finally we get the big man we needed. And he is only 29. We now have a good young core of players that will just be getting better and better. Dirk, Josh Howard, Marquis Daniels, Jason Terry, Erick Dampier, Devin Harris. That is a core that is going to be leading this team for a long long time.. and I'm extremely comfortable with that.

We have gotten so much better defensively, while we have kept our offense. Granted we have lost major offensive weapons with Antoine, Antawn, and Nash... but we still have a key group of scorers. Erick Dampier is going to compliment Dirks game so well, that its scarey. This is the year Dirk needs to take this team by the horns and lead it... he needs to become the player we all know he is. Then we have slashers such as Jerry Stackhouse, Marquis Daniels, and Josh Howard, which will create many open jumpers for guys like Jason Terry, Dirk, and Finley... and not to mention open dunks for Dampier. I do see our offense struggling for a bit of a time opening the season because Steve Nash was such a pivotal part of our offensive efficiency.. but I think the tandem of Jason Terry, and Devin Harris will ease our pain as the season goes on.

Then we have defensive. Something this team has never been know for, which has had many critics including Charles Barkely coming up with cute little names such as Allas, but this has a chance of changing this yeah. Terry, Howard, Daniels, and Finley are good perimeter defenders, something we never really had on this team before. If u remember our worst defenders last year were Steve Nash, Walker, and Jamison, well they are all gone now, and have been replace by good defensive players. Not to mention we will be having a healthy Alan Henderson, Devin Harris, and Shawn Bradley coming off the bench.. all good defenders in their own ways. Also, now that we have a dominant center in the middle, it will instantly stop all the layup drills that occur during games. No one will want to enter the paint with Damp down there.

All in all, this is going to be a great season for the Mavericks, and their fans. I can't wait. Now that Dampier is a Maverick, it definatley shot them up to one of the top 5 in the West, and I can honestly say that we can compete with any team in the league. Lets Get this season started Already!

[Pointguard13]

I have never been this excited for a Mavericks team before. Finally we get the big man we needed. And he is only 29. We now have a good young core of players that will just be getting better and better. Dirk, Josh Howard, Marquis Daniels, Jason Terry, Erick Dampier, Devin Harris. That is a core that is going to be leading this team for a long long time.. and I'm extremely comfortable with that.

ME2 :D :D

I'll admit, There were times before when I would watch a little of the game and then go do something else and come back later.....NOT THIS YEAR....(Except when we were on that 15 game winning streak to start the season..I was into every minute of that)


Then we have defensive. Something this team has never been know for, which has had many critics including Charles Barkely coming up with cute little names such as Allas, but this has a chance of changing this yeah. Terry, Howard, Daniels, and Finley are good perimeter defenders, something we never really had on this team before. If u remember our worst defenders last year were Steve Nash, Walker, and Jamison, well they are all gone now, and have been replace by good defensive players. Not to mention we will be having a healthy Alan Henderson, Devin Harris, and Shawn Bradley coming off the bench.. all good defenders in their own ways. Also, now that we have a dominant center in the middle, it will instantly stop all the layup drills that occur during games. No one will want to enter the paint with Damp down there.

Finley is not a good defender, in fact, he pretty bad. His quickness has left him as you now see him never driving to the basket anymore, but instead settling for fade-a-way jumpers and contested 3's.....He use to be a solid defender from what I've heard, but the last 2 seasons he been a liability on defense..ESP playign SG...I actually believe he will eb a better defender at the SF, as there are not as many goos SF as SG and SF are usually "slower" or not as wuick as SGs.....

Terry isn;t a good defender yet, he ok, but for the reaosn stated above, he ahs the chance to be...

NASH wasn't a horrible defender..I've said this many a time,s but he was rated the most under-rated player in terms of defensive ability....He worked so hard and plays great help side defense..I'll miss him taking those CHARGES of 7'0" guys.. EVERYONE wants to rag on NASH for Ricky DAVIS jumping over him yet for that one time he did get jumped over trying to take a charge, there are 100 times where he caused a turnover by taking that charge..He puts his body on the liene every night..ONE of the best help side defenders if u ask me...Now as good one-on-one, below average, but he puts the effort :oops:

ANd dont forget out best defender off the bench JOSH HOWARD and DJ who is a solid rebounder and a good shot blocker...He'll be inconsistent his rookie season, and get some fouls, but he has the ability.

[Pointguard13]

are the MAVS finsihed trading and will keep their roster then same pending a few cuts to slim the roster to the 15 maximum allowed?

or....

Will they trade henderson or stackhouse to get a abckup PF?

[batron]

I have heard that the Mavs are somewhat interested in acquiring Karl Malone. He is the powerforward that they need, but I doubt Karl would go to a team who hasn't been close to winning a championship in the last few years. I think the Mavs are going to want to keep Stackhouse because he could be valuable coming off the bench, it is unfortunate that they lost Antawn Jamison, because he was a great player to have on the team.

[Pointguard13]

We're interested in getting Malone, but we dont have the money for him.

Jamison was great, considering we got Stackhouse who has the chance to put up the same numbers as Jamison off the bench, a top 5 pick in Devin Harris who is our PG of the future, and Laettner, who helped us get Dampier, I find CUBAN a gensius :D

[batron]

That is a good point, the only problem is Stackhouse won't be around as long as Jamison, but Devin Harris will be around longer, and the whole Laettner thing is a good point too. Even though he got waived by the Warriors, and may be headed to Miami now.

[Pointguard13]

Stackhosue wont be around as long?..I guess if we tarde him soon he wont, but I would be willing to bet if we did, we'd get some1 like KVH in return and he's thne be our 6th man.

[batron]

I am saying Jerry Stackhouse has played in the NBA longer then Jamison, and will retire sooner. Saying Jamison will be in the NBA longer.

[Pointguard13]

oh lol...well I dont think we will keep Stackhouse that long. Even if he keep him the remaining 3 years of his contract, I am not sure he'd res-ign with us considering we'd have Howard, Daniels, and FInley most likely still at the wing positions, but who knows in 2-3 years :?

[og15]

Stackhosue wont be around as long?..I guess if we tarde him soon he wont, but I would be willing to bet if we did, we'd get some1 like KVH in return and he's thne be our 6th man.
Why would Milwaukee want to trade KVH for Stackhouse who can't shoot a jumper if his life depended on it? :lol:

[batron]

I really like KVH, I wish he would go to a better team. The Bucks are cool, and they are one of teams that I like a lot in the league, but he never got his championship in college, I would like to see him get it now in the NBA.

[Pointguard13]

Stackhosue wont be around as long?..I guess if we tarde him soon he wont, but I would be willing to bet if we did, we'd get some1 like KVH in return and he's thne be our 6th man.
Why would Milwaukee want to trade KVH for Stackhouse who can't shoot a jumper if his life depended on it? :lol:

A player like KVH not necc. KVH himslef.

[batron]

So why wouldn't you say someone else if it doesn't have a chance at being KVH?

[Pointguard13]

He's got all the things we'd trade stackhouse for and he's been mentioned in trade rumors with the MAVS earlier this offseason, so it justed clicked. :wink:

[Pointguard13]

What did ya'll think of the Benefactor this week?

Good, Bad, ok?

[AIRjordan23]

Damn it already started what hapened i wanted to watch that.

[Pointguard13]

Started this past week.

[AIRjordan23]

yea i know it started past week did you watch it and if you did what happend

[Pointguard13]

Yea, I watched most of it. He eliminated one person after observing them for about 30 minutes from ahidden camera. He didn't even meet them and they were eliminated. He said first impressions were everything. This one dude was claimed to have said "This game is stupid", so that was a big X, and he was eliminated. He really didn't call the game stupid, but he meant like silly or something I forgot, but I dont think he meant what he siad.

Then he had interviews and stuff, and then he eliminated two more people. And this is on the 1st episode.

One girl he eliminated b/c she didn't live up to her expectations that she showed she would have on her tape to get ont he show.

Then he couldn't decide between two people, so he had them play JINGA and whoever lost, had to go home.

The dude that won is so annoying. He was good at the game and was showing off and crap. All the other players wanted the girl to win, ad did I. She was a pocker player and really didn't know how to play JINGA well, but she lasted a good while, but eventually the tower fell.

So out of the 16 players, 3 got rliminated on the 1st episode. It was alright. I want to see them compete and stuff like play basketbal and do other things. I think it will get better from the 1st episode. I enjoyed it, but so far its nothing spectacular.

[Pointguard13]

http://musicfanclubs.org/slipknot/sig/misc/9025.jpg

MAVS Media DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AIRjordan23]

Yea, I watched most of it. He eliminated one person after observing them for about 30 minutes from ahidden camera. He didn't even meet them and they were eliminated. He said first impressions were everything. This one dude was claimed to have said "This game is stupid", so that was a big X, and he was eliminated. He really didn't call the game stupid, but he meant like silly or something I forgot, but I dont think he meant what he siad.

Then he had interviews and stuff, and then he eliminated two more people. And this is on the 1st episode.

One girl he eliminated b/c she didn't live up to her expectations that she showed she would have on her tape to get ont he show.

Then he couldn't decide between two people, so he had them play JINGA and whoever lost, had to go home.

The dude that won is so annoying. He was good at the game and was showing off and [***]
. All the other players wanted the girl to win, ad did I. She was a pocker player and really didn't know how to play JINGA well, but she lasted a good while, but eventually the tower fell.

So out of the 16 players, 3 got rliminated on the 1st episode. It was alright. I want to see them compete and stuff like play basketbal and do other things. I think it will get better from the 1st episode. I enjoyed it, but so far its nothing spectacular.

lol that all reminds me of the firt episode of THE ASSISTANT

[RapboY]

link to new NBA news on Mavs:
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/basketball/9705283.htm

some things to note:
"The bench appears solid, especially if Alan Henderson is healthy enough to take some of the few minutes left by Nowitzki. Calvin Booth and Shawn Bradley will back up Dampier, and Harris will learn under the wing of Terry. Josh Howard and Stackhouse play both swing positions and will be used liberally when Nelson decides to go small."

""I'm the sixth man," said Stackhouse, well aware of the talk questioning his commitment in the past. "We have a lot of scorers on this team. It's an opportunity for me to come in and thrive and to keep me going. I talked with the coaching staff, and that is the role that they think will fit me best. It will be a challenge for me, but I look forward to that challenge.""

"Mavs projected lineup
PG: Jason Terry, Devin Harris

SG: Marquis Daniels, Jerry Stackhouse

SF: Michael Finley, Josh Howard

PF: Dirk Nowitzki, Alan Henderson

C: Erick Dampier, Calvin Booth, Shawn Bradley

Others: Evan Eschmeyer, DJ Mbenga, Pavel Podkolzin, Tariq Abdul-Wahad and Dan Dickau

* Avery Johnson expected to be added this week in player-coach capacity"

cant wait till the season starts!!

[batron]

I think the Mavs will be weak behind Nowitzki, but that won't be too much of a problem conisdering he plays around 40 minutes a game. And I don't see there being much of a back up when Dampier comes out, because Booth and Bradley don't make up much of a power house. Unless Podkolzin can step it up, the Mavs will have a weak secondary in the front court.

[AIRjordan23]

the mavs have always had bad backup centers and just starting centers. They need someone to back up dampier cuz whenever bradley gets in hes to slow and cant move and SUCKS. Hes the definition of a shiity white player.

[Pointguard13]

I think the Mavs will be weak behind Nowitzki, but that won't be too much of a problem conisdering he plays around 40 minutes a game. And I don't see there being much of a back up when Dampier comes out, because Booth and Bradley don't make up much of a power house. Unless Podkolzin can step it up, the Mavs will have a weak secondary in the front court.

We'll be weak, but we're prob the STRONGEST team in the league at the PG,SG,and SF positions...Any 6 of those players could be starting on a lot of other teams. Every team has a weakness.

Yes we're weak behind DAMPIER, but before we got Dampier, booth was our starter. SO now we have DEF more depth there. But yes, still no strong.

the mavs have always had bad backup centers and just starting centers. They need someone to back up dampier cuz whenever bradley gets in hes to slow and cant move and SUCKS. Hes the definition of a shiity white player.

NO Bradley is actually great in short minutes spurts. He's a great shot blocker b/c of his size and in 5 or 6 minutes, he can block 2-3 shots and change the game. He's not great when playing 20+ mpg but giving him 8-10 mpg is fine with me. Between him and Booth and maybe DJ, we'll be fine as long as Dampier stays healthy and plays solid, not great, not good, but solid.

And I think Booth will play a little backup PF with Henderson.

And as I said, STACKHOUSE does except the place of 6th man.. He understands and is ready to come off the bench. :wink:

[og15]

Man, Clavin Booth is really not that bad. He has no offensive game, but he can battle down low and is a shot blocking beast, he's not a bad backup at all.

[batron]

I don't know if I would say Dallas is the strongest team at the point guard position, I would probably give that to Orlando. Franchise and Nelson are are great combo. At SG, again I would have to say you are wrong. I can't really think of any team that can out do the Lakers with Kobe, Rush, and George. And again at Small Forward, I don't think you can beat Andrei Kirilenko, and Matt Harpring. They each average about 17 points a game and 8 rebounds. Those are great for Small Forwards, and to have 2 of them. That is power. Also Raja Bell is someone you are familiar with, he has really been impressive with the Jazz playing Small Forward, but he plays a lot of positions, so I don't know if I would put him on that list.
Either way there will be great match ups in the West this year. Most every team will compete for playoff spots.

[og15]

I don't know if I would say Dallas is the strongest team at the point guard position, I would probably give that to Orlando. Franchise and Nelson are are great combo. At SG, again I would have to say you are wrong. I can't really think of any team that can out do the Lakers with Kobe, Rush, and George. And again at Small Forward, I don't think you can beat Andrei Kirilenko, and Matt Harpring. They each average about 17 points a game and 8 rebounds. Those are great for Small Forwards, and to have 2 of them. That is power. Also Raja Bell is someone you are familiar with, he has really been impressive with the Jazz playing Small Forward, but he plays a lot of positions, so I don't know if I would put him on that list.
Either way there will be great match ups in the West this year. Most every team will compete for playoff spots.
Baron Davis and Darell Armstrong is the best PG combo in the league by far.

What about Sam Cassell and Troy Hudson
Mike Bibby and Bobby Jackson


At SG:
Paul Pierce and Ricky Davis
Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson
Latrell Sprewell and Wally Szczerbiak
Mike Miller, James Posey, Bonzi Wells


At SF:
Bonzi Wells, Shane Battier, Brian Cardinal
Rashard Lewis, Vladimir Radmonovic
Keith Van Horn, Desmond Mason
Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, Jonathan Bender
Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Devean George [not a SG]

[RapboY]

Baron Davis and Darell Armstrong is the best PG combo in the league by far.

What about Sam Cassell and Troy Hudson
Mike Bibby and Bobby Jackson


At SG:
Paul Pierce and Ricky Davis
Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson
Latrell Sprewell and Wally Szczerbiak
Mike Miller, James Posey, Bonzi Wells


At SF:
Bonzi Wells, Shane Battier, Brian Cardinal
Rashard Lewis, Vladimir Radmonovic
Keith Van Horn, Desmond Mason
Ron Artest, Stephen Jackson, Jonathan Bender
Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Devean George [not a SG]

>i agree with the baron/armstrong thing... and they need to be at their best, and healthiest if they want any chance of being in the playoffs...

>the other postions you mentioned have one or the other play another starting position... paul pierce at SG Davis at SF, spree at SG wally at SF, Rashard at SF Vlad at PF, KVH at PF desmond at SF, Odom at PF Butler at SF... but those are some good points you made...

>i think pointguard13 was referring to the three positions mixed... cuz dallas can rotate finley, stack, howard and daniels at SG and SF... even jason terry can play SG, except that he's too small, but he can... at PG are terry, harris and daniels... so dallas is very deep in those 3 positions...
DJ Mbenga shuld play a bit this year.. i think he could be a pretty good backup C in the future..[/quote]

[og15]

>the other postions you mentioned have one or the other play another starting position... paul pierce at SG Davis at SF, spree at SG wally at SF, Rashard at SF Vlad at PF, KVH at PF desmond at SF, Odom at PF Butler at SF... but those are some good points you made...
Ricky Davis wasn't a starter, Jiri Welsch was.

Vladimir Radmonovic is a clone of Rashard Lewis, neither of them are PF's, but neither can play defense well at the SF spot, but he's no PF.

KVH is not the PF, Joe Smith is, Desmond will be coming off the bench next season.

Odom will be playing SF too likely, maybe PF, but Brian Grant will be at PF, Divac at C, and Odom at SF.

[Pointguard13]

Man, Clavin Booth is really not that bad. He has no offensive game, but he can battle down low and is a shot blocking beast, he's not a bad backup at all.

And considering he was going to be our starter a month ago, makes us that much deeper.

think pointguard13 was referring to the three positions mixed... cuz dallas can rotate finley, stack, howard and daniels at SG and SF... even jason terry can play SG, except that he's too small, but he can... at PG are terry, harris and daniels... so dallas is very deep in those 3 positions...

yea, maybe

we're prob the STRONGEST team in the league at the PG,SG,and SF positions...Any 6 of those players could be starting on a lot of other teams. Every team has a weakness.

DJ Mbenga shuld play a bit this year.. i think he could be a pretty good backup C in the future

He's got a chance to....His defensive abilites are pretty good for his age, and while he'll get a lot of fouls biting on pump fakes, he's still a solid shot blocker and rebounder at 23 years old.

It will depend on how they guys in front of him play. If bradley, Dampier, Hendersonm and Booth all play well, he will have a hard time. But I dont see that happening, and I think DJ will get his chance to play. What he does with that oppurtunity, who knows, but sometime down the line he'll be given a chance.

I dunno if he's a C...He 240 lbs if he's lucky and 7'0"....He's got the athleticisim to keep up with PFs, and while he plays agressive and is build strong, he's prob. better off at PF, and can play ocasionally at C. Booth, Bradley will be the main centers, and hendu and DJ the PFs.

I don't know if I would say Dallas is the strongest team at the point guard position, I would probably give that to Orlando. Franchise and Nelson are are great combo. At SG, again I would have to say you are wrong. I can't really think of any team that can out do the Lakers with Kobe, Rush, and George. And again at Small Forward, I don't think you can beat Andrei Kirilenko, and Matt Harpring. They each average about 17 points a game and 8 rebounds. Those are great for Small Forwards, and to have 2 of them. That is power. Also Raja Bell is someone you are familiar with, he has really been impressive with the Jazz playing Small Forward, but he plays a lot of positions, so I don't know if I would put him on that list.
Either way there will be great match ups in the West this year. Most every team will compete for playoff spots.

We're DEF not the best at PG...But we got great depth in terms of the 3 perimeter positions

PG- Terry l Harris l Daniels
SG- Daniels l STackhouse l Terry
SF- Finley l Howard l Stackhouse

Find a team that has that good of a rotation......We're not the best but DEF top 5 in that regard.

Raja Bell was good when he was a MAVERICK too, but i frogot whether it was moeny or PT that drove him away from DAL...We knew he was a good little player when he was in DALLAS..I remember that slam dunk he had in the playoffs sometime I forgot, but it was right on someone towards the end of the game and he was on fire and had like 16 points in that game.

[batron]

Yeah, Raja is like the crowd favorite in Utah now. He plays hard and is a pretty good shooter and a really good defender. Probably the best all around defender on the team. Andrei is good at defense too, but he relys to much on his shot blocking, he will let people get past him just so he can try to block their shot. He needs to learn to keep people out of the middle. Also I think Jerry Sloan like Raja a lot. Sloan will name everyone on the team and say how they need to improve, but I haven't ever heard him talk bad about Raja. I think he just signed because the Jazz had more money to offer, he signed as a free agent.

[Pointguard13]

Yea, I loved Raja Bell...I dunno if Sloan Never talks bad about him, but the way he plays and unselfishness he has, along with his heart and toughness makes him a very good teammate/ 3rd stringer.

[batron]

From what I have heard Raja will probably remain in Utah for quite sometime.

[Pointguard13]

Well his current contract is 1 year 0.8 Million, take it for what u will :?

[batron]

The Jazz are going to give him more at the end of the season. If he has close to the season he has last year he will get at least a 4 year 4 mill contract.

[RapboY]

>the other postions you mentioned have one or the other play another starting position... paul pierce at SG Davis at SF, spree at SG wally at SF, Rashard at SF Vlad at PF, KVH at PF desmond at SF, Odom at PF Butler at SF... but those are some good points you made...
Ricky Davis wasn't a starter, Jiri Welsch was.

Vladimir Radmonovic is a clone of Rashard Lewis, neither of them are PF's, but neither can play defense well at the SF spot, but he's no PF.

KVH is not the PF, Joe Smith is, Desmond will be coming off the bench next season.

Odom will be playing SF too likely, maybe PF, but Brian Grant will be at PF, Divac at C, and Odom at SF.

got your point... :wink:

[Pointguard13]

The Jazz are going to give him more at the end of the season. If he has close to the season he has last year he will get at least a 4 year 4 mill contract.

WHy do they need him?

Kirk Snyder, Andri Kirilenko, Matt Harpring, GOrdon Giricek....IF I was Raja, I wouldn;t want to re-sign with UTAH, for that very reason..There will be little playing time for him as all those guys are or will be (THEY WILL RE-SIGN AK) there long term.

He'll be a UFA so I expect he'll go somewhere else.

[batron]

Well AK and Harpring mostly play the 3 spot. Even if Harpring starts at the 2 he will still play like a 3. AK may still play some 4 this year, considering Kris Humphries is the only true Power Forward to play behind Boozer. So I am willing to bet Andrei will play some 4. Then that will open up the 3 for Harpring, then you only have 3 guys playing for the 2 spot. And who knows how Snyder will play. Plus, Bell is a defensive specialist, even though he has a pretty good shot. And Gordan Giricek is an offensive specialist, and his defense isn't so good. After watching the Jazz for around 14 years now, with the same Coach, I see Sloan leaning towards playing Raja as the first back up to Harpring. Plus Raja can give Arroyo and Lopez some time off at the point guard, because he is a pretty good ball handler. I could see him getting around 5-10 minutes a game playing 3rd string PG. And, If Sloan starts AK at the 3 and Giricek at the 2, then he will have Harpring come in at the 3 to replace Andrei and Raja come in to replace Giricek. I don't think Snyder is going to get all that much playing time this year. But if he plays good who knows. All I can say is that I don't really think Raja will lose any playing time this year. Basically Kirk Snyder will replace Sasha Pavlovic, and AK will play a little less to give Harpring more time.

I think it would be best to do this for a line up's

Arroyo\Lopez\Bell
Giricek\Bell\Snyder
Kirilenko\Harpring\Bell
Boozer\Kirilenko\Humphries
Okur\Borchardt or Collins

I think those will be the variety of line ups the Jazz will see this year. That way you won't lose hardly anything but shot blocking when AK goes out, because you can replace him with Harpring, and Giricek will go out for Raja. Which will help make up for the loss of Andrei's defense. That is a pretty solid team.

[Pointguard13]

That's not my point. Yes of course the JAZZ will want Raja back, Who wouldn;t want a guy like that as their 5th SG/SF, maybe 4th depending on Synder..Yet If I'm Bell and I see them signing Giricek for 3+ years, using a 1st round pick on a guy who plays about the same position ae me, and they'll have Harpign and AK locked up for at least 2-3 years(Harpring already is and AK will be for even longer), then I wouldn;t be too sure that's the best spot for me.

Snyder may not be a factor this year, yet he'll eventaully get his chance which will take minutes away from RAJA.

I just think its not gonna be.........

Raja will probably remain in Utah for quite sometime

It very possible could, yet I see Raja getting more interest from another team, that can give him a backup job, that's is more solid than he would have in UTAH.

Plus Raja can give Arroyo and Lopez some time off at the point guard, because he is a pretty good ball handler. I could see him getting around 5-10 minutes a game playing 3rd string PG

No he's not. I've have to ask ut_jazz, but when Raja was with DAL he wasn;t a good ball-handler, in fact he was below average. He may have gotten better, yet still being a 3rd string PG, and SF< and then a 2nd string SG until Snyder comes along isn;t exactly the security I want with a team.

[batron]

"I'm not really sure. If you watch the game something that may surprise people is that I can play three positions even though I'm not that big."

Raja Bell refering to his ability to play SF, SG, and PG. Even though I doubt he plays very much, he can. You can trust me, you don't have to ask ut_jazz, even though you can if you want to. I don't know if teams will be willing to start Raja, simply because there are many good SF SG players in the league. Plus I think Raja likes his role in this system and is the key sixth man for the Jazz. He actually got nominated for 6th man last year. Plus I would think he is tired of movie around so much. But who knows on that one. Maybe you should ask ut_jazz.

[Pointguard13]

"I'm not really sure. If you watch the game something that may surprise people is that I can play three positions even though I'm not that big."

Raja Bell refering to his ability to play SF, SG, and PG. Even though I doubt he plays very much, he can. You can trust me, you don't have to ask ut_jazz, even though you can if you want to. I don't know if teams will be willing to start Raja, simply because there are many good SF SG players in the league. Plus I think Raja likes his role in this system and is the key sixth man for the Jazz. He actually got nominated for 6th man last year. Plus I would think he is tired of movie around so much. But who knows on that one. Maybe you should ask ut_jazz.

Well when he says that statements, he is OBV. referring to playing SF since he's only 6'5"...Yes he thinks he can play PG, and he might be able to, but unless he has improved, he wont be as effective as PG, as he is at SG, or SF.

I dotn think teams will give him a starting spot either..I dotn remember saying that. I think they can however secure him at a guy that will continue to get good minutes off the bench, while the JAZZ cant with their depth their.

Only reason I'd ask Jazz is b/c he watchs the games so he sees if BELL's ability to handle the ball has improved.

WHo doesn't want to move around..But sometimes you have to if their a better situation out there.

EDITED: THIS IS THE DALLAS MAVERICKS THREAD, NOT THE JAZZ THREAD :wink:

[batron]

For whoever editited this, Raja Bell used to play for the Mavs, so he still has some relation to them, hence we are talking about him. I watch all the games aswell. I have watched him improve. Also you can tell by his numbers.

[Pointguard13]

I edited it saying that...

And I dont think he's improved that much. He was just as good when he was a MAV his last year but he didn;t get much PT with our depth.

[Mariners in 2006]

I dont know if you guys knew this already, but Stackhouse wont be starting this year, he is the new Antwan Jamison...

Jerry Stackhouse doesn't have a starting spot in the Mavericks' loaded lineup, but the two-time All Star with a career 21-point scoring average isn't making a stink about it just yet. "It's a little different for me, but I think I can put my mindset to doing it," Stackhouse told the Dallas Morning News. "This whole situation beats going home in April. I'll do whatever I can to extend my play. I don't think it will be any issue."
Stack Not Starting (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=fanball-mavericksstac***with&prov=fanball&type=lgns)

[Pointguard13]

LOL>..thanks for thr proof..I have been saying it in the BEST STARTING LINEUP THREAD for a while but no1 believes me.

[Pointguard13]

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1892924

The article is for ESPN Insider's....It talks about 10 players who need to step up and play to their potnetial...Jason terry is mentioned about how his role of DALLAS will change big time, and that he should be averging 9-10 apg on DALLAS, and if he continues to average 5.5 like he has in ATL, his PT will be taklen away by Devin Harris....

Jason Terry
34.8 mpg
43 FG%
37 3-Point FG%
85 FT%
3.3 rpg
5.5 apg
1.46 spg
16.2 ppg

Do ya'll think he can take the team to the next level as a distributor?....I think he had to be the go-to-guy in Atlanta, but If some1 has some time, look up JT's stats in college and MAV friend of mine said he was a distributor in college a PG....Curious to see if he really was...

[batron]

I don't think Terry will replace what Nash did, and I think people in Dallas might get mad with Terry's inconsitency. I am saying this because the same thing happened in Utah this year when Stockton left. It was hard to watch a reasonably inexsperienced gaurd in Arroyo. But he got the hold of it, but obviously he isn't Stockton. Same thing will happen with Terry, but he will probably get a pretty fair chance.

[Pointguard13]

I don't think Terry will replace what Nash did, and I think people in Dallas might get mad with Terry's inconsitency. I am saying this because the same thing happened in Utah this year when Stockton left. It was hard to watch a reasonably inexsperienced gaurd in Arroyo. But he got the hold of it, but obviously he isn't Stockton. Same thing will happen with Terry, but he will probably get a pretty fair chance.

NASH isn't STOCKTON for one, so Terry has less to replace...

This is, no offense, a bad comparison...Arroyo before this season averaged....

under 10 mpg
under 4 ppg
under 2 apg

AND TERRY has averaged....

over 34 mpg
over 16 ppg
over 5 apg

It is/was expected Arroyo should struggle as it was his first tiem to be the main PG..Terry has been a starter basically all his NBA career, and his numbers aren't that far from NASH..

[batron]

I know Nash isn't Stockton, I am saying, after having a player, who knows the offense so well, like Nash, or Stockton, it is hard for a new point guard to come in and run the team the same way it was run with the old point gaurd. Stats aren't everything.

[Pointguard13]

I know Nash isn't Stockton, I am saying, after having a player, who knows the offense so well, like Nash, or Stockton, it is hard for a new point guard to come in and run the team the same way it was run with the old point gaurd. Stats aren't everything.

Your right, but comparing Jason Terry first year with a Dallas to Arroyo's first year with the Jazz is silly isn't it?

Not onlt was Arroyo fillin bigger shoes, yet he also had yet to prove one thing that he could be a NBA starting PG for a team.....He had yet to get the minutes or produce to show he was ready...However, Jason Terry has proven he's starter worhty the last 4-5 years with his play in ATL...Also, the fact that the MAVS free-styling offense, thta is prob. the most freedom-oriented offense in the league, will allow Terry to be creative with all of his offensive skills...

The MAVS like to push the BALL...Tery cna do that..The Mavs like to shoot the ball..Terry can do that...


Obviously niether did/will fill the shoes of that of whom they replaced, but TERRY sure should be expected more out of than Arroyo did.

[og15]

I think people are underatting Terry a lot, he's not Nash for the Mavs, but Terry is a good player. Last season shouldn't be a measure of what he can do at all, if you look at the season before when he had offensive options, he showed the improvements he had made in his PG skills by averaging 7.4 assists, and also keeping his turnovers to a good number.

On the Mavs I think he can get 7+ assists a game. Also his shot has improved a lot, and right now he's a good outside and mid-range shooter. Also for those who didn't know I think I remember him being called the best defensive PG in his draft class, and he's actually a very good defender at the PG spot. He's not Kidd, Baron, Andre Miller, Eric Snow, but he's a McInnis in terms of his defense at the PG spot, a good defender.

I think he'll help the team a lot if he can keep playing like he was 2 years ago when he had Shareef and GRob, and Dirk and Finley are better than those 2.

[Pointguard1301]

The Dirk and Dampier Pairing Looks Good Already
10/09 -1:48 PM
Not only did Mark Cuban and Don Nelson find their big man in Erick Dampier, but Dirk Nowitzki did, as well. With Dampier locked in for the Dallas Mavericks, Nowitzki will be able to play a more comfortable position, power forward.

Despite Nowitzki seven foot frame, he likes to play his game from beyond the paint, which is what makes him such a special player.

This past week Don Nelson was able to get a taste for how Dampier and Nowitzki would play together. "He and Dirk, for some reason, have bonded and are really playing well together, feeding off each other," coach Nelson said. "He's getting Dirk open, and Dirk's given him some real nice feeds down around the basket. It looks like this thing is going to work real well."

"It's a benefit for us to get a chance to play with a center with his type of size and status in the league, and we're just making the most of the situation," forward Michael Finley said. "We're getting to know him, what he likes and what he doesn't like."

[Pointguard13]

I think people are underatting Terry a lot, he's not Nash for the Mavs, but Terry is a good player. Last season shouldn't be a measure of what he can do at all, if you look at the season before when he had offensive options, he showed the improvements he had made in his PG skills by averaging 7.4 assists, and also keeping his turnovers to a good number.

On the Mavs I think he can get 7+ assists a game. Also his shot has improved a lot, and right now he's a good outside and mid-range shooter. Also for those who didn't know I think I remember him being called the best defensive PG in his draft class, and he's actually a very good defender at the PG spot. He's not Kidd, Baron, Andre Miller, Eric Snow, but he's a McInnis in terms of his defense at the PG spot, a good defender.

I think he'll help the team a lot if he can keep playing like he was 2 years ago when he had Shareef and GRob, and Dirk and Finley are better than those 2.

Yes, listening to the game tonight vs. MIL Bucks, Terry has been great at creating pressure and cuasing Mike James to stumble and turn the ball over....I think he can actually be as good if not barely below Miller, Davis, in terms of defensive point guards....He's got the quickness

Also, about Grob and Shareff, They are more (esp Grob) about creating shots one -on-one than spot shooting..FINLEY is DEF best at spot up shooting, and DIRK loves running the break and then getting the ball for a quick shot...Not to mention we have 3rd, 4th and 5th option that may be just as good as Grob...

Also, Against MIL, Howard is playing excelllent..He's currently (unoffically) got 22 minutes, 20 points, 8-15 FGs 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks, maybe some assists....He's very active, and I cant wait to see him get to start in a few years, maybe this year with DANIELS still not back form injury...They are currently having STACKHOUSE come off the bench even tho DANIELS is out b/c they want him to get use to coming off the bench...

I'd really like to see HOWARD playing a lot and showing what he really can be....

NEW MAVS Alternate JERSEYS??
http://www.eastbay.com/images/products/zoom/27760704_z.jpg

[AIRjordan23]

those jerseys are ugly i hope those arent their alternates. AND didnt Pdiddy make the alternates or he said he was going to for the mavs

[Pointguard13]

I think P diddy is making th alternatives, yet those haven't been confirmed as the MAVS offical alternate jersyes....

I HOPE THEY ARE THO

[og15]

I think he can actually be as good if not barely below Miller, Davis, in terms of defensive point guards....He's got the quickness
Not strong enough :wink:

He's about where Jeff McInnis, Mike James, maybe not Speedy because Speedy is a defensive beast, but he's like the 2nd tier of good defensive PG's.

[Pointguard13]

OG, its hard for me to argue now, but I have been listening to every game and though its 180 degress difference watching and listening to the game, TERRY has been doing some great things on defense....He's cuasing TOs, presuring the ball well as sson as the guy comes over the 1/2 court stripe (which is what all MAVS PG will do usually in the new Defensive scheme), and getting steals....

Not only TERY, but I CANT WAIT TO see how this new defense of ours is during the regular season...I think we're gonna surprise a lot of teams with it....Last year we were 28th in the NBA defensiv;y..I think we're easily gonna be a top 15 team this year defensivly...

TIME will tell, but from what the commentators are decribing the defense to be, I am thrilled....

JOSH HOWARD IS THE REAL DEAL.....He may get to start the beginning of the season b/c DANIELS may be out and they want STACKHOUSE to be on the bench as the 6th man so hoepfully HOWARD will get just enough minutes/starts to start getting recognized as a premier young talent

[Pointguard13]

OG, its hard for me to argue now, but I have been listening to every game and though its 180 degress difference watching and listening to the game, TERRY has been doing some great things on defense....He's cuasing TOs, presuring the ball well as sson as the guy comes over the 1/2 court stripe (which is what all MAVS PG will do usually in the new Defensive scheme), and getting steals....

Not only TERY, but I CANT WAIT TO see how this new defense of ours is during the regular season...I think we're gonna surprise a lot of teams with it....Last year we were 28th in the NBA defensiv;y..I think we're easily gonna be a top 15 team this year defensivly...

TIME will tell, but from what the commentators are decribing the defense to be, I am thrilled....

JOSH HOWARD IS THE REAL DEAL.....He may get to start the beginning of the season b/c DANIELS may be out and they want STACKHOUSE to be on the bench as the 6th man so hoepfully HOWARD will get just enough minutes/starts to start getting recognized as a premier young talent

[Pointguard13]

Final Mavs 91 - Bucks 89

Terry - 17 min - 5 pts [2-8] - 1 ast - 2 reb - 1 TO
Damp - 32 min - 14 pts [5-7] - 11 reb - 2 blk - 2 ast - 3 TO
Hendu - 28 min - 7 pts [2-5] - 4 reb - 1 stl - 1 TO - 3 PF
Josh - 36 min - 11 pts [4-11] - 5 reb - 6 ast - 1 stl - 2 TO
Hood - 24 min - 10 pts [4-9] - 4 reb - 4 ast - 1 stl - 1 TO
Mbenga - 10 min - 4 pts [2-4] - 5 reb - 3 blk - 1 TO - 5 PF
Harris - 38 min - 20 pts [7-18] - 3 reb - 5 ast - 5 stl - 3 TO
Booth - 23 min - 4 pts [2-10] - 3 reb - 1 ast - 1 blk - 4 PF
Jason Sasser - 20 min - 12 pts [5-6] - 3 reb - 1 ast - 1 TO
Bradley - 4 min - 4 pts [1-1] - 1 TO

TO - Mavs 14 Bucks 15
Ast - Mavs 20 Bucks 23
Reb - Mavs 42 Bucks 46
Stl - Mavs 8 Bucks 4
Blk - Mavs 6 Bucks 2
FG% - Mavs 43% Bucks 39%

:arrow: DAMPIER 3rd stright good game out of his 4 GP for DALLAS in the preseason....He's dominant so far and proving he didn;t just play for the contract...I can only hope this comtinues, but this is a very good sign early....He post game is very good as well...He surprised me a lot and could be everything the MAVS need at CENTER...

:arrow: HARRIS back home played well too..He's averaging like 3 spg in the preseason which is top 5 and is probably averaging 30 mpg...He alos is getting around 5 rebs and 5 asts as well.....

:arrow: Howard has been our best player by far and played an all-around game tonight, including takign a CHARGE with 15 seconds less on KVH to cause the TO and give the MAVS their 2nd straight win

:arrow: Sidenote= NELLIE said MBENGA has improved his stock to the MAVS 2nd string CENTER, moving BOOTH to backup PF. HOOD and SASSER played really well and tho there's not room on DAL for them, maybe some1 else could use them

Final Score Mavs 112 - Knicks 74

Terry - 25 min - 17 pts (6-9) - 6 ast - 1 reb - 2 stl - 0 TO
Damp - 22 min - 14 pts (6-10) - 8 reb - 1 ast - 1 blk - 2 TO - 1 PF
Finley - 25 min - 11 pts (4-10 ) - 7 ast - 2 TO - 3 PF
Hendu - 16 min - 6 pts (2-4 ) - 5 reb - 1 ast - 1 blk
Josh - 27 min - 17 pts (5-11) - 7 reb - 2 ast - 1 stl - 1 blk 0 1 TO
Hood - 21 min - 8 pts (4-5) - 5 reb - 2 TO - 5 PF
Mbenga - 24 min - 8 pts (4-7) - 5 reb - 1 stl - 1 blk - 2 TO
Harris - 25 min - 10 pts (3-6) - 5 reb - 7 ast - 3 stl - 2 blk - 4 TO
Booth - 24 min - 8 pts (4-9) - 6 reb - 2 blk - 2 TO - 3 PF
Sasser - 10 min - 6 pts (2-4 ) - 2 reb - 1 stl - 1 blk - 2 TO
Bradley - 7 min - 7 pts (3-4 ) - 1 reb - 1 stl - 1 TO

TO - Mavs 15 - NY 16
Reb - Mavs 45 - NY 34
Ast - Mavs 26 - NY 8
Stl - Mavs 9 - NY 10
Blk - Mavs 9 - NY 2

[ut_jazz]

Evan Eschmeyer has retired.. now dallas is really gonna suck :wink:

[AIRjordan23]

whats the mavs record in pre season????? And PG13 do you know what the starting line ups gonna be????

[Pointguard13]

Evan Eschmeyer has retired.. now dallas is really gonna suck

I cried in my pillow for an hour













TEARS OF JOY :wink:

whats the mavs record in pre season????? And PG13 do you know what the starting line ups gonna be????

I believe 2-3...But kinda means little....THE MAVS wanted to play their regular roatatiosn, yet DANIELS has yet to play a game, FINLEY,STACKHOUSE, and DIRK have missed a few games, Harris sat out the game 2nite against NY, ect ect....

Our defense is looking real good

Well Marquis may not be ready for opener, so in case he isn't this is the projected starting lineup...

Jason Terry
Michael Finley
Josh Howard
Dirk Nowitzki
Erick Dampier

6th man - Stackhouse

LOL, people argued STACKHOUSE would be the starter over DANIELS, eyt it seems he wont even be the starter over Howard..which is a good move by NELLIE....Howard has been the best MAV from 1st to 5th preseason game...He does everything..KInda like a Kirilenko (I wish)

PLUS STACKHUSE can be just as effective in less minutes b/c he mainly scores..He'll get his shots, but HOWARD can do everything and scores off fast breaks, steals, offensive rebounds, and open shots..He doesn;t need plays run for him......

When Daniels gets back, unless Howard is more amazing than weexpect it will be..

Terry l Harris
Daniels l Stackhouse
Finley l Howard
Dirk l Booth
Dampier l Mbenga

I CANT WAIT UNTIL THE SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pointguard13]

Evan Eschmeyer has retired.. now dallas is really gonna suck

I cried in my pillow for an hour













TEARS OF JOY :wink:

whats the mavs record in pre season????? And PG13 do you know what the starting line ups gonna be????

I believe 2-3...But kinda means little....THE MAVS wanted to play their regular roatatiosn, yet DANIELS has yet to play a game, FINLEY,STACKHOUSE, and DIRK have missed a few games, Harris sat out the game 2nite against NY, ect ect....

Our defense is looking real good

Well Marquis may not be ready for opener, so in case he isn't this is the projected starting lineup...

Jason Terry
Michael Finley
Josh Howard
Dirk Nowitzki
Erick Dampier

6th man - Stackhouse

LOL, people argued STACKHOUSE would be the starter over DANIELS, eyt it seems he wont even be the starter over Howard..which is a good move by NELLIE....Howard has been the best MAV from 1st to 5th preseason game...He does everything..KInda like a Kirilenko (I wish)

PLUS STACKHUSE can be just as effective in less minutes b/c he mainly scores..He'll get his shots, but HOWARD can do everything and scores off fast breaks, steals, offensive rebounds, and open shots..He doesn;t need plays run for him......

When Daniels gets back, unless Howard is more amazing than weexpect it will be..

Terry l Harris
Daniels l Stackhouse
Finley l Howard
Dirk l Booth
Dampier l Mbenga

I CANT WAIT UNTIL THE SEASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AIRjordan23]

alright thanks i just wanted to know cuz i like the mavs and im starting an association with them trying to get as real as possible.

[Pointguard13]

Final

Mavs 112 - Kings 93

Damp - 33 min - 15 pts (7-11) - 15 reb - 1 ast - 1 blk
Hendu - 27 min - 3 pts (1-2 ) - 1 reb - 1 ast - 1 stl
Josh - 44 min - 21 pts (8-14) - 4 reb - 4 ast - 2 stl
Dirk - 35 min - 30 pts (11-16) - 7 reb - 5 ast - 2 blk
Sasser - 21 min - 9 pts (4- - 4 reb - 1 ast
Booth - 16 min - 2 pts (1-4) - 2 reb
Bradley - 10 min - 4 pts (1-4) - 2 reb - 1 ast - 1 blk
Dickau - 8 min - 2 pts (1-2) - 1 ast
Mbenga - 5 min - 2 pts (1-1) - 1 reb - 3 PF
Harris - 41 min - 24 pts (5-11) - 4 reb - 3 ast - 3 stl

[ut_jazz]

http://www.geocities.com/chrisfoley484/SPMarkCuban.gif
Show me the money!!!!

[Pointguard13]

http://www5.realgm.com/boards/images/smiles/djparty.gif

http://www5.realgm.com/boards/images/smiles/icon_oot.gif

http://www5.realgm.com/boards/images/smiles/icon_ang.gif


Also,

http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/current/news/feature.html

He [Finley] puts the ball between his legs, then behind his back. He's dancing, just he and the ball, a one-man ballet. The only things missing are those precious little ballet shoes, only that might look kind of odd considering that he's still trash-talking, and ballerinas don't usually do that. "Come on, guard me for real," he says once more. I'm sure something spectacular is about to happen...Then he dribbles the ball off his leg and out of bounds.

"Hey, slow down there, Hot Sauce," Dirk Nowitzki needles, referring to the street baller with the spicy name, the one who over-dribbles with fantastic, unthinkable moves as part of the And 1 Tour. Nowitzki is laughing big at his joke, and he's not the only one. The newly acquired--center Erick Dampier and guards Devin Harris and Jason Terry--laugh, too. There are a lot of new faces around here, but it seems that most of them are enjoying a good chuckle at the old dog's expense. But Finley doesn't seem to mind; he smiles and laughs right along with them. As they walk off the court together, they tease each other some more; one big happy family, ready to take on the division, the conference, the league.

For the second straight year, this is the image the Dallas Mavericks are selling: a new team, radically altered from the previous year yet totally cohesive and ready to win a championship. They're not strangers, you see; they're friends who haven't gotten to know each other. Chemistry won't be an issue. They'll be deeper, tougher and better defensively. They'll get along, they'll accept their roles, they'll even accept fewer minutes. Hell, they might hold hands and sing campfire songs. This is the image they're selling.

[batron]

I think it is funny how most people on this board were hyping Dallas for picking up Jason Terry as a replacement to Steve Nash. Now it seems Terry is being replaced by Devin Harris. Apparently Harris will be starting for Dallas. I think this is a double edged sword for Dallas. It is good for them to have 2 solid point guards, but, it may prove difficult considering Jason Terry was a big part of his Atlanta team last year, and now he is sitting on the bench because of a rookie. I doubt he will be very happy with that. Just something to think about. He was playing almost 40 minutes a game last year. If he isn't starting I don't see him playing anything above 24.

[Pointguard13]

I think it is funny how most people on this board were hyping Dallas for picking up Jason Terry as a replacement to Steve Nash. Now it seems Terry is being replaced by Devin Harris. Apparently Harris will be starting for Dallas. I think this is a double edged sword for Dallas. It is good for them to have 2 solid point guards, but, it may prove difficult considering Jason Terry was a big part of his Atlanta team last year, and now he is sitting on the bench because of a rookie. I doubt he will be very happy with that. Just something to think about. He was playing almost 40 minutes a game last year. If he isn't starting I don't see him playing anything above 24.

Your so silly..But good try

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/basketball/mavs/stories/110104dnspomavsbriefs.585b4

Jason Terry isn't holding a grudge at being replaced by Devin Harris as the starting point guard for the Mavericks.

In fact, he's ready to embrace the move.

"Anybody who looks at the history of me, that's where I made my name," Terry said. "With my energy and leadership coming off the bench with that second group, that's going to be exactly what we need."

ANy other problems with the MAVS :wink:

[batron]

Uhm, Don Nelson doesn't know how to coach a team with some defensive talent. Just kidding. I was just saying it was funny how everyone said he was a great pick up and then they bench him for a rookie. But anyways, the Mavs season starts tonight against the Kings, it will be a good measurement of both teams I think. I will get back to you after the game.

[Pointguard13]

hehe...

Actually (BTW) Nelson use to coach the best defensive team in the league when he was with MIL..FUn little stat...Hope they are truely preaching defesne this year....They said they were last year but it turns out they weren't as much as they could, but through the preseason, they held, in most part, their opponents to below average FG%

Yes, we will see later 2nite, and I CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[og15]

Update: Daniels, who missed all eight preseason games with an ankle sprain, is expected to be available for the Mavericks' season opener Tuesday night against the Kings, the Dallas Morning News reports. "He's been very good in practice," Nelson said of Daniels. "He's not even 100 percent, but I forgot how good he is."



Marquis Daniels: Available for Tuesday's Opener (http://fantasysports.yahoo.com/analysis/news?slug=rotowire-arquisanielsvailable&prov=rotowire&type=lgns&league=nba)

[Pointguard13]

Things sure are coming together

Can't WAIT to talk to ya'll after the game

[batron]

Mavericks won, played a pretty good game, wasn't imrpessed by the play of any of the new pick ups though.

Dampier 11 and 5 boards
Terry 9 and 2 dimes
Harris 8 and 7 dimes, that is a good stat
Stackhouse 8 and 4 and 2

[Pointguard13]

Nope, Stackhouse and Dampier were niether effective on tha stat sheet

Stackhouse made some poor decisions and well as some good, unselfish ones....He's gonna be like that i believe all year tho..Its the way he plays

Dampier was excellent early(8 mins, 9 pts, 3 rebs, 1 blk), but then the MAVS started to go away from im inside (mainly b/c DIRK got hot) and when we did go inside they doubled and we swung it around the horn.....He did have a sweet alley opp from DH and some excelletn block shots

Harris I disagree....He put Bibby on the bench for the whole 4th quarter and Bibby only had single digit points and caused at least 3+ TOs, maybe more from bibby from pressure and quick hands

His defense was great and he distributed the ball great...I cant ask for much more from a rookie PG going against a "contender" team with a pretty darn good PG....Very proud of him

We have a lot to work on, but I could tell we have some potential....Terry and Stackhouse were cheering everyone on from the bench and showed they are having fun in big D...

Dampier gets fustrated very easy, but he still seems to be a dominating pressense inside

I'd like to see Dampier get more touches because the defens ewill either have to clapse on him or let him go one-on-one which I'd be fine with

1-0 BABY!!!!!!!!!!

Can't ask for more than that :wink:

[og15]

I don't think Bibby likes Harris at all, he struggled against him last time, and is struggle against him again today, Harris' defensive intensity has really improved, and this guy can be a shut down defensive PG.

[Pointguard13]

I don't think Bibby likes Harris at all, he struggled against him last time, and is struggle against him again today, Harris' defensive intensity has really improved, and this guy can be a shut down defensive PG.

What did I tell ya :wink:

[AIRjordan23]

nice win from the mavs.they have potential to win it all. IMO

[Pointguard13]

Mavs WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dirk - 39 min - 19 pts - 7 reb - 5 ast - 2 stl - 3 blk
Josh - 23 min - 11 pts - 4 reb - 1 ast
Damp - 31 min - 10 pts - 8 reb - 3 ast
Devin - 9 min - 2 pts - 1 ast
Fin - 26 min - 19 pts - 3 reb - 3 ast
Terry - 39 min - 18 pts - 5 ast - 4 stl
Stack - 29 min - 19 pts - 5 reb - 2 ast - 1 stl
Bradley - 15 min - 3 reb - 1 stl - 1 blk
Marquis - 15 min - 6 pts - 4 reb - 3 ast
Hendu - 14 min - 2 pts - 1 reb

[batron]

Good game for the Mavs. Nice to see Dirk stepping up the defensive game, also a solid game for Damp. But, where is Pavel, if Bradley played there is no reason for Pavel not to be.

[ut_jazz]

Held two straight opponents to 41% shooting, gave up 45% a game last year, i'd have to say that is a big improvement. So there is D in Dallas. Looking at their schedule Mavs may get off to the best start than any other team in the NBA.

[Pointguard13]

Good game for the Mavs. Nice to see Dirk stepping up the defensive game, also a solid game for Damp. But, where is Pavel, if Bradley played there is no reason for Pavel not to be.

He isn't/wasn't gonna play this season....He'd have been lucky (for him)to get the minutes Darko got

He's too raw to play as of now, and Bradley's shot blocking can change a game...Pavel won't play this season unless you see a lot of injuries at the Center position

Also, Booth has yet to play a minute I believe

Henderson was been GREAT, and I mena great..His defense, reboudning, hustle, and WILL to win have been exactly what we need from him...If he stays healthy, he'll be a great fit.

Grizzlies should be our best test yet thye did allow a Washington (w/o Areanas) come back and beat them by doube digits :D

We'll see Saturday :arrow:

[og15]

Well defense all starts from stopping penetration, if you don't allow the PG to penetrate you can do good. Now stopping Baron from penetrating isn't easy, but the Hornets apart from Baron are very lacking in people to create offense by themselves.

Baron was double teamed a lot when he got the ball, and the Hornets overall jut turned theb all over a lot, anyone see Rodney Rogers' 2 turnovers in a row, disguting.

[Mariners in 2006]

Dallas looks very good so far, but what I am amazed about is the fact that the Mavs won after having to play against those ugly jerseys all night. With Memphis, GS and Orlando coming up, I think this team will be 5-0 a week from now.

anyone see Rodney Rogers' 2 turnovers in a row, disguting.
Yeah, and I thought Rodney was going to be the starting SF, now I know why he wont be... :(

[Pointguard13]

Dallas looks very good so far, but what I am amazed about is the fact that the Mavs won after having to play against those ugly jerseys all night. With Memphis, GS and Orlando coming up, I think this team will be 5-0 a week from now.

anyone see Rodney Rogers' 2 turnovers in a row, disguting.
Yeah, and I thought Rodney was going to be the starting SF, now I know why he wont be... :(

I always thought RR was over-rated...He's inconsistent with his shot and is a twiner....

Baron was double teamed a lot when he got the ball, and the Hornets overall jut turned theb all over a lot, anyone see Rodney Rogers' 2 turnovers in a row, disguting.

Josh Howard did a excellent job of BD all night...Well the minutes he was in :? ....Howard had good position from what I saw (I missed the 1st half) but I am also VERY impressed with Michael FInley's DEFENSE..He played pretty good defense, better than I have seen him play in a few years on Davis last night

Hornets apart from Baron are very lacking in people to create offense by themselves.

2 posessions in a row Davis had the ball for 20+ seconds of the 24 second shot clock before jacking up a 3 off the glass or throw up a wild shot...

He's gotta learn to trust his teammates b/c team are gonna lside that extra defender over so as soon as he gets by the first man, he'll have another one to deal with....He trys to do too muhc at times which hurts the team...4 guys will be standing waiting for BD to shot the ball...NOH wont go anywhere with that type of game

[Pointguard13]

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/morestories.asp?id=3066&NAV=1

Enviable balance. We still like it best when Dirk Nowitzki is set up to take twice as many shots as any teammate. But it’s hard to complain when four Mavs score 18-to-19 points, with Michael Finley (19 points accumulated in his first 20 minutes of burn) and Jerry Stackhouse (19) taking turns as Dirk’s offensive sidekick.

Stack took a big step toward finding a groove. The original plan called for him to be the focus of the second unit. In New Orleans, he wasn’t even the first guy off the bench (Jason Terry was). However, in the second half, he didn’t replace Dirk as the top gun – he joined him on the floor as the Mavs expanded their lead to as much as 21. Says Stack: “I love this team.’’

Jason Terry wants the bench crew to be called “The MOB.’’

[og15]

Jason Terry wants the bench crew to be called “The MOB.’’
:lol:

Says Stack: “I love this team.’’
Who wouldn't love a team where you get to win, get PT, and because of the fast paced offense still get a decent amount of shots

[Pointguard13]

Jason Terry wants the bench crew to be called “The MOB.’’
:lol:

Says Stack: “I love this team.’’
Who wouldn't love a team where you get to win, get PT, and because of the fast paced offense still get a decent amount of shots

Easier said now

Yet in the summer, everyone was determining Dallas'' season basded on that very reason...Saying Stackhouse, Terry ect wouldn't be happy with a limited offennive role...

How times change

[og15]

I don't think Stackhouse will, but I had no problem with Terry, I think he just wants to win, Stackhouse was happy when he first came to the Wizards :cry:

[ut_jazz]

I don't think Stackhouse will, but I had no problem with Terry, I think he just wants to win, Stackhouse was happy when he first came to the Wizards :cry:

[Pointguard13]

Big picture: Dampier not satisfied with his play, but others are
10:57 PM CST on Friday, November 5, 2004
By EDDIE SEFKO / The Dallas Morning News
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/110604dnspomavslede.22be0.html

Erick Dampier is thrilled to be 2-0. A lot of times in his first eight seasons in the NBA, his teams started out exactly opposite.

Erick Dampier is averaging 10.5 points and 6.5 rebounds per game for the 2-0 Mavs. But the Mavericks' new center is less enamored with his contributions during the nice start. Sporadic would be a word Dampier would use to describe his play.

"I expect more out of myself than this," he said after he had 10 points and eight rebounds at New Orleans. "I haven't played my best yet, but it's early in the season."

While Dampier doesn't feel he's found a groove yet, his coaches have seen more positive moments. In fact, they have been encouraged by the aspects of the game that perhaps are lost on the casual fan.

"With him in there, I didn't have to double-team the post," coach Don Nelson said of Dampier's defense against Hornets All-Star Jamaal Magloire. "I think Damp is going to be better than what we've seen. Just the fact we have size and he's doing his job in there. Being bigger in the middle has definitely helped our defense."

Essentially, the play of Dampier in the post and Josh Howard on the wing has been the catalyst for the Mavericks' thus-far improved defense. Howard, in fact, has disrupted things so well that the Mavericks already are trying to sell him on focusing on trying to make the league's all-defensive team.

That is, they can actually play some.

"His presence is huge," assistant coach Avery Johnson said of Dampier. "His numbers weren't great in New Orleans, but boy, he did some nice stuff."

Neither Dirk Nowitzki nor Michael Finley is ever going to win any awards for his defense. But they aren't inept at it, either. And after years of offensive-minded strategies, they know the value of defense.

"We're a lot more solid at that end now," Nowitzki said. "With Damp in the middle, we have the potential to be pretty good."

What the incoming Mavericks have done is embrace the idea of defending all areas of the court. Howard has been the catalyst.

"Absolutely," Johnson said. "If you look at the first two games, obviously, it's only two games. But you can see signs that we've made improvement. Because of Josh's approach to defense and because of Damp's commitment to defense and because we have a point guard who is really quick, we've made strides.

"But a lot of it comes from what Josh is doing, because you can put him on a lot of different players and he covers up a lot of mistakes."

The Mavericks have not allowed either of their opponents to shoot 42 percent. Of course, Sacramento was in disarray without Doug Christie and with Chris Webber and Peja Stojakovic sniping at each other. And New Orleans may be a lottery team.

Still, the defense is better, and Dampier has also added an ancillary benefit.

"The big boy is getting double-teamed on the box offensively," Johnson said. And when was the last time that's happened to a Mavericks center?

[batron]

This will be an important game for the Mavs tonight to see if they can beat a struggling Grizzlies team who has lost it's first two games. They will be looking for a big comeback and their first win of the season in Dallas.

Dallas has had 3 days of rest to get ready for this game, but it might make them rusty. Memphis played a hard game last night against Houston, and will most likely be tired.

My prediction:

Dallas 105
Memphis 99

[Pointguard13]

Dallas Mavericks - 112
Memphis Grizzlies- 88

MICHAEL FINLEY 35 minutes 23 points, 6 rebs, 3 assists, 10-19 FGs
DEVIN HARRIS 25 minutes, 14 points, 4 stls, 2 blks, 3 asts, 4-8 FGs
JOSH HOWARD 32 minutes, 6 pts, 5 rebs, 4 asts, 2 stls, 2 blks
DIRK NOWITZKI 31 minutes 22 points, 13 rebounds, 8-15 FGs
ERICK DAMPIER 30 minutes, 13 points, 18 rebounds, 5-7 FGs

Jerry Stackhouse 26 minutes 10 pts, 1 ast, 1 blk, 1-6 FGs, 8-11 FTs
Jason Terry 24 minutes, 15 points, 3 assists, 2 steals, 6-9 FGs
Alan Henderson 17 minutes, 2 points, 3 rebounds, 1-1 FGs
Marquis Daniels 14 minutes, 2 points, 2 rebounds, 1 steal, 1-2 FGs
Shawn Bradley 4 minutes, 4 points 3 rebounds, 1 block
DJ Ilunga-Mbenga 2 minutes, 1 point, 2 rebounds
Calvin Booth DNP

Team FG%: Dal-50% MEM-37.6%
Team Rebounds: DAL-53 MEM-36
Team Turnovers: DAL-20 MEM-17
Team Blocks: DAL-9 MEM-6
Team Steals: DAL-11 MEM-10

:arrow: Notice the horrible FG% as well as the rebound battle
:arrow: Dampier with 13 points and 18 rebounds in just 30 minutes of action
:arrow: Devin Harris does another great defensive effort on Jason WIlliams despite too many TOs (had like 3 in a row)..Jason had 2 points 2 assists, 2 steals, 0-3 FGs in 19 minutes
:arrow:

[batron]

Rebounds won that game for the Mavs. Portland, San Antonio, Dallas, Utah, and Phoenix are all undefeated. Not exactly the teams people predicted to be at the very top of the West. Maybe more amazing, Sacto is winless after 3 games, Houston 2-2, and Denver 1-2. The West is a mess right now, it will be interesting to see which teams can stay on top.

[Mariners in 2006]

Dallas dominated Memphis, the Grizzles now have an 0-3 record, Dallas 3-0 should easily win their next game against Golden State, and I agree Erick Dampier is turing out to be quite the center.

[og15]

The Raptors are undefeated too :)

All those who hated on the Clippers, the team is injured, and still beat the other non-playoff teams that were supposed to be better in GS [winning right now] and Seattle

The Clippers will get 11th or 12th seed if the team can stay healthy, mainly Brand, Maggette and Wilcox.
Livingston isn't doing too bad himself.

[Mariners in 2006]

The Raptors are undefeated too :)

All those who hated on the Clippers, the team is injured, and still beat the other non-playoff teams that were supposed to be better in GS [winning right now] and Seattle

The Clippers will get 11th or 12th seed if the team can stay healthy, mainly Brand, Maggette and Wilcox.
Livingston isn't doing too bad himself.
Go Clips! The Blazers are 2-0, they only played LAC and GS, but they are energetic this year, I am going to be getting up early tomorrow morning to watch their showdown in Toronto. Wilcox looks good too, but it sucks he wont be starting when Kaman comes back, his stats would have been better tonight if he didnt get in foul trouble so quickly.

[Pointguard13]

I agree Erick Dampier is turing out to be quite the center.

I cant wait until the showdown Thursday :shock:

[batron]

I hope you aren't talking about the showdown between Shaq and Dampier. Shaq is waiting to have a break out game and what better then a home against an undefeated team. I think it will probably be Shaqs biggest game of the year so far.

[Pointguard13]

I hope you aren't talking about the showdown between Shaq and Dampier.

Yes I am

Shaq is waiting to have a break out game and what better then a home against an undefeated team.

Shaq is obvious not healthy yet, and Dampier will be the best Center he goes up against so far...Z may be better all around (to some people), but Dampier will be the best challenge for Shaq to score against

I think it will probably be Shaqs biggest game of the year so far

Well, that's not hard to see considering that he hasn't had a very good game yet...

Mavs will be plying the 3rd game in 4 days so we wont be very rested. Not sure what MIAMI's schedule is, but hopefully our depth can help up out a bit.

[og15]

Shaq is injured right now so....

[batron]

Shaq is injured and putting up as good of numbers as center. He is getting healthier every day he is back. The Heat play the Wizards on Tuesday, I don't really see him being neccesary to play all that much time in that game. He will be plenty rested for Thursdays game.

[Pointguard13]

Shaq is injured and putting up as good of numbers as center. He is getting healthier every day he is back. The Heat play the Wizards on Tuesday, I don't really see him being neccesary to play all that much time in that game. He will be plenty rested for Thursdays game.

Well, he's not doing that good.He's only averaging 27 mpg, 15 ppg, and 7 rpg. Yes good for a center maybe, but SHAQ is far superior to all the centers and should be compared to the top players and not just Centers.

He is obviously not healthy. He should be well rested for Thursday.

Mavs match up very well with MIAMI and we should be able to pull away from them as the game goes along :wink:

[batron]

I believe it will be a good match up, but honeslty I think the Heat will take this one. The difference will be D Wades scoring ability, and Shaqs ability to get players like Dampier in foul trouble.

[Pointguard13]

I believe it will be a good match up, but honeslty I think the Heat will take this one. The difference will be D Wades scoring ability, and Shaqs ability to get players like Dampier in foul trouble.

You underestimate our defense

I think this will be what we do...

Howard guards Wade
Finely guards Jones
Harris guards Butler
Dirk guards Haslem
Dampier guards Shaq

After watching Howard contain Baron Davis for 25 points, yet shooting 8-21 FGs, I am very confident that Howard can do a solid job on Wade..He wont stop him, dont get me wrong, but he will make it very tough