The Patriots Cheat!

[Onyx]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04023/264687.stm :)

[Swtness34]

I wouldn't call that cheating even though they are breaking the rules. Its called being physical and thats how the game should be played. This is not some ***** sport. It requires to be physical to win. Thats just the game.

[greekstile]

Cheating. Please. You are allowed a 5yd. chuck zone from the line of scrimmage, where pretty much anything goes. Those are the rules, and it's not cheating to jam a receiver in that area. In the Indy game, the cameras keyed in on Roman Phifer bumping Marcus Pollard beyond the 5yds in the final minutes of the game. He wasn't holding him, or grabbing him, but bumping him just enough to get him out of rhythm with his route. You are allowed to put your hands on a receiver. It's part of coverage. The referees obviously didn't see this grievous enough to throw a flag. Maybe if Pollard worked a little harder to get open instead of flailing around, crying for a penalty EVERY play, he could have made a play or two.

Cheating. LOL!

[henchmen]

First of all keep in mind this is one guys opinion and he's from Pittsburgh. Contact like that after the 5 yds happens all the time in the NFL with every team. it is up to the referees to enforce the rules or to let the teams play at their discretion.

Plus it was a playoff game where the the refs decided to just let the guys play physical. It is the same reason the referees in Hockey put away the whistle in their playoff games, especially in a Tie Situation. This guy is entitled to his opinion but it sounds to me like he just has nothing to write about his own team.

If you think for one minute that I'm going to look at this Patriots season as anything but SMART HARD WORK...you're nuts. Physical play happens in EVERY NFL game...not just the Patriots games. I wish more teams were as physical as New England...and I wish more refs would just let them play. Marshall Faulk was a defeated man after that game...he shouldn't talk like that...they just got man-handled by the Better Team in 2001...just like Carolina's about to get Man-Handled in Houston. If Ty Law can make Marvin Harrison disappear...what do you think will happen to Steve Smith? And TRUST ME...Peyton Manning is a lot smarter than Jake DelHomme...Manning was Owned.

[GIANTS2n1]

I understand your view hench,but come on they mugged pollard on bac to back plays,b honest(they mugged pollard)lol in front of the refs both times,guess pollard,s not big enough star for them to call a flag on!lol

[henchmen]

I do not dispute he was getting action after the 5 yds. But a couple of flags from the refs can stop that cra-p real fast. I think it is the reponsibilty of the Officials to enforce it. Would I have thrown a flag? In any regular season game...definitely, but I think refs tend to be a little more lenient in the Playoffs. It is unfortunate but like I said...it happens a lot in the NFL. I see guys get mugged all the time and there's no flag.

[Sowers]

Enforce the book, not according to the game. But you are right, they didn't enforce the book from the beginning, and if you set the tone at the beginning this **** won't happen.

[GIANTS2n1]

i hear ya,but the game was on the line,and 2ce right in front of refs,look no matter jv,or seinor @miami(go canes)(<-u like my lil canes plug?lol)or on pro level,i think clear tugging of the jersey should b called!the pats dominated that game(dont get me wrong)but @ that point in the game,colts was down a td,and the thing that gets me,it was right in front of the refs,i can see if it was done out of sight of the refs,but point blank range?you gotta call that!lol

[greekstile]

Look, it's a playoff game. If you have to rely on pass interference calls at the end of a game, just to keep you on life support, that's pretty weak.

[GIANTS2n1]

all i am saying is that it was pass inteference,thats all,the game was a good 1,not sure if that flag had been called colts would have won,or anything like that!jus saying do you pat fans agree it was pass int.trust me when the 9ers did same **** too my giants(in game on the line situation)i jus said hey thats football,but it was pass interference reguardless!

[MeanJoeGreene]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04023/264687.stm :)

:lol: Thanks for reading our newspaper Onyx!!!

They were voted among the top 5 sports writers in the country last year.

[henchmen]

Yes but we all know which Newspaper has the best Sports Page :wink:

[MeanJoeGreene]

Pats = real life cheese :lol:

Bud Billick :lol:

[Onyx]

I still can't believe the pats are in the superbowl, its a surprise every year.

[thelawon]

nice to see youre still a moron mean joe.

[GreyHoundSteve]

nice to see youre still a moron mean joe.

:lol: somethings never change.

[ThaEvilGenius]

I watched em enough to know they don't cheat, they play intelligent football. Howeever, I will say they do get alotta lucky calls, and plays to go their way, thats not taking anything away from this team making it this far, but I still believe they are goin down this Sunday. Time for class.

[pgamer]

Hmmm...sounds like they are playing something called "Bump & Run" which I thought was legal in football??...I think the columnist got football and basketball mixed up.

Pgamer

[ThaEvilGenius]

I think some of the bumps were close last game where the 2nd guy was very close to being beyond the allowed yards. BUt, if the refs dont see it, its legal plain and simple. How many holds have you seen this year that weren't called? How many were called that weren't? Both of these teams got here with hard work and by playing good ball.

Now, Go Panthers!! NE fans have become too cocky for me and I believe they are overrated now. All the coverage and respect they never got b4 has been turned into too much by far. They played in too many close games and got too many bounces at the end to go their way, now its time for them to get back down to Earth and lose, lol.

[GreyHoundSteve]

There was alot of hand checking on both sides so i think the refs thought it best to just let them play. If the pats had been man handleing them all game then we would have seen a flag but i saw Pollard push off on more than one occasion and he a HUGE man so i dont think theres any reason for anyone to be crying about the way the game was called. It was called fair on both sides...NE was just more physical.

[MeanJoeGreene]

You think Manning just turned into a pile of poop after 2 perfect games vs DEN and in KC???

The Pats secondary raped the Colts WRs and TEs all day long!!!!!

Thats not coaching genius, thats real life cheese!!!! :roll:

[greekstile]

You think Manning just turned into a pile of poop after 2 perfect games vs DEN and in KC???

Yes, I do actually. Why don't you go and research what the opposing QB's rating is against the Patriots defense. If I'm not mistaking, it's somewhere around 60. That's right, 60! That's no accident. Belichicks schemes make QB's heads spin. Cheating! LOL. I think your just mad because after the Patriots beat the Steelers in the playoffs en route to their last Super Bowl, they fell off big! They also bamboozled them the first game of last season on Monday night! They haven't been the same since. Teams were using the Pats blueprints to beat them.

Funny how the Patriots beat both of this years MVP's 4 times this season. Tom Brady should have been the MVP. Winning is far more important than stats.

[MeanJoeGreene]

You think Manning just turned into a pile of poop after 2 perfect games vs DEN and in KC???

The Pats secondary raped the Colts WRs and TEs all day long!!!!!

Thats not coaching genius, thats real life cheese!!!! :roll:

[greekstile]

Quote:
You think Manning just turned into a pile of poop after 2 perfect games vs DEN and in KC???


Yes, I do actually. Why don't you go and research what the opposing QB's rating is against the Patriots defense. If I'm not mistaking, it's somewhere around 60. That's right, 60! That's no accident. Belichicks schemes make QB's heads spin. Cheating! LOL. I think your just mad because after the Patriots beat the Steelers in the playoffs en route to their last Super Bowl, they fell off big! They also bamboozled them the first game of last season on Monday night! They haven't been the same since. Teams were using the Pats blueprints to beat them.

Funny how the Patriots beat both of this years MVP's 4 times this season. Tom Brady should have been the MVP. Winning is far more important than stats.

LOL!

[nkhera1]

yeah but you gotta admit they did get away with quite a few crucial calls. Besides it was a close game and those call really matter. Plus Brady is one of the luckiest men i know. First the tuck rule and than the knee. I mean my raiders had him a few years ago, but instead they called a bogus tuck rule. It would have been great to see Oakland and St. Louis in the final. It would have been a shootout for the ages.

[henchmen]

Except Oakland BLOWS and the play was called exactly as it was written. You sorry a55 Raider Fans need to get over that already. You all got smacked by the PATS and embarassed yourselves against Tampa in the SuperBowl. Not to mention you come out this year like a bad stinky fart. The Raiders are a Disgrace to Football right now so enough with the TUCK rule cra-p. They should've done MORE to "move on" than to blame an Incomplete pass for their demise.

The Raiders would've been killed by the RAMS that year...only one team could've pulled that off and it was the PATRIOTS. Tom Brady is not lucky he's just the best QB in Football not to mention the smartest. You can have your Mannings...you can have your Farves, your Culpeppers, and McNairs and so on...when the GAME is on the line...I'll take TOM BRADY anyday over those scrubs. Do you think Tom Brady will be doing any Cambell Soup Commercials? NO! he's not stupid like McNabb, Davis and Lynch.

TUCK RULE :roll: You punks need your a55e5 beat again! :twisted: :twisted:

[GIANTS2n1]

Pats = real life cheese

Bud Billick <mjg lmao@ you fella you need a role model!!!!!asaplol

[Onyx]

Do you think Tom Brady will be doing any Cambell Soup Commercials? NO! he's not stupid like McNabb, Davis and Lynch.

If anyone cared about Brady he would be doing commercials.Brady would have to be insane to turn down a couple million just for a few minutes of work.

I would take Manning over Brady any day of the week.

[henchmen]

I'm Glad Tom Brady isn't cared about...that's where athletes faulter...when they start mixing up "Acting" with trying to be a respectable athlete. He doesn't need Campbell Soups Money...let them waste it on Hyped Up Superstars. :lol: LOL

After the last SuperBowl, Tom Brady had gorgeous models and even Mariah Carey knocking on his door.....why do you think Brady ignored all that cra-p? Because he's too smart to let his "Celebrity" become more important than his passion for Football. His football career is more important to him than getting involved with Famous Slu-ts who will do nothing but destroy him.

Onyx, You can Take Manning...Just tell me which Golf Course you'll be teeing off from?.......I'll be going to the SuperBowl with Tom Brady :wink:

[Onyx]

Tom Brady had gorgeous models and even Mariah Carey knocking on his door.....why do you think Brady ignored all that cra-p?

Becuase Brady is a homersexual or religious, thats the only reason I can think of anyone turning down a hot piece of ***.

[Swtness34]

Tom Brady could get just about anyone though because he is Tom Brady. :lol:

[MeanJoeGreene]

8)

[lowdownj73]

i can't believe people cry so much.. am a die hard raider fan ..and the pat's did the dam thing in the super bowl against the rams .they had to. reason why .if they didn't rams would have ran all over them sweeps screen the whole thing just like the buc's did to us last year.what should have been done in the indy and pat's game was pollard should have went back to the huddle told manning that their beating me up at the line but iam open after the mugging ..for small route plays instead manning was trying to throw all over the field and look what happen..now if that didn't work call the police.and report the mugging(lol)......but you have to go back to the huddle and let people know what's going on ........

[MeanJoeGreene]

pollard should have went back to the huddle told manning that their beating me up at the line but iam open after the mugging, if that didn't work call the police.and report the mugging(lol)..

In the NFL the police are called refs, and they were standing right there, letting the crime go unpunished.

That is wrong. :evil:

[BBB]

"Using a receiver in any attempt to re-create the Nancy Kerrigan incident."
"Hooking a receiver in any manner previously featured on a fishing show."

Are these from the official rule book? Reads like tabloid garbage to me. This guy writes for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, he's trying to appeal to the likes of people like MJG and other Pittsburg faithful. Let's be honest, I would be jealous too, if my team booked tickets and hotel rooms to a game they never played 2 years ago because they were beaten by an underdog and super bowl champ.

It's easier for you all to believe they are just lucky. Let me ask you one question though, how many times does a coin have to come up heads in a row before you realize it may not be luck... 14times? Maybe 15 will do it! :P

[henchmen]

It's easier for you all to believe they are just lucky. Let me ask you one question though, how many times does a coin have to come up heads in a row before you realize it may not be luck... 14times? Maybe 15 will do it! :P

PERFECT!!! I am so tired of hearing the word LUCK and the PATRIOTS in the same sentence. I have never seen a more DISRESPECTED team than the New England Patriots...it's the most bizarre phenomenon. I don't see any other team in History get this much disrespect. It's Pitiful. No one said Sh-t when Dallas, Pittsburgh, Buffalo and San Fran were winning. I never heard things like LUCK when they played...I'm sick of the whole thing.

BUT it just makes becoming a Champion that much SWEETER. To he-ll with all you doubters. After Carolina Goes Down you chumps will STILL say the Patriots don't deserve it. So let me ask...what makes a team DESERVING of a SuperBowl Title? I always thought beating up the rest of the league was qualification enough...maybe I was wrong. But if New England SUCKS...well, I guess everyone else just sucks WORSE. We'll be the Champions of the National Suck League.

In 2001, I walked into a Miami Sports Store Looking for a Patriots Jersey...the store was LOADED with jersies from all teams...but I noticed very FEW patriots Jerseys. (this was early in the year..maybe pre-season if i remember correctly). So I ask the guy behind the counter(owner), who was talking with his Co-workers...maybe 2 people in the store besides me...So I ask how often his shipments come in and if they Custom Order for special requests. You know what this Jacka55 said to me followed by laughs from his co-butt buddies? He says, we really don't carry Patriots Jersies nor do we order them because they don't have any Superstars and nobody knows them. :shock:

So when the room settles from laughter, I looked up on the wall and pointed to a Cleveland Browns Jersey and said...You can carry this cra-p but you can't carry Patriots Jersies? No Stars?..I said...I can name 12 people right now that you should have on your shelf and in this store!...Sorry Man..he says. The Patriots just don't cut it. I swear to you this is a true story. Well, I left the store in AWE that this Dummy would run his store like that. So when the Patriots WON the SuperBowl that year I wanted so bad to go back to that store and ask that same group of FigureSkaters what they thought about my PATS NOW....I wanted to see how many Jersies they had...but I didn't.

I went back to that same mall about 2 months ago and the store was no longer there. This was one of my many experiences down here that made me hate FINS Fans even more. BTW, the Browns jersey was an old METCALF jersey. No Star Players huh? Maybe the NFL and the Sports World want to play dumb...but PATRIOTS FANS KNOW WE HAVE MORE STARS ON OUR TEAM THAN MOST. We had one hyped up STAR STAR STAR and it was for a Brief Time and it was a Media Disaster...his name was Irving Fryar. During that same time, a bunch of players were accused of misbehaving in a locker room with a female reporter. Then Drew Bledsoe jumps into a crowd and injures people at a concert...This is the kind of PATRIOTS cra-p that makes the news. This is what they'd rather talk about in the media when it came to the Patriots. And now that they are successful and trouble free...everyone wants to label them as Lucky.

Is it really so hard for people to turn on a Patriots game and just appreciate their Excellence? I did it Growing up. I was a PATS fan but I got to appreciate the Montanas, Kelly's, Marino's, Elway's and the success of their teams.,...why then is it so hard for people to see that Tom Brady will end up amongst those names? The kid is 26 and about to win a 2nd SuperBowl (IMO). Geez People :roll: And the rest of the TEAM is made up of WARRIORS. I am convinced people are in denial about New England because most people belive it's SuperStars who win Championships. It's so hard to accept that a bunch of Blue Collared Nobodies coached by one of the BEST if not THE BEST could really be the recipe for success...and THAT'S really what wins Championships in this day and AGE. Instead of BASHING the Patriots, other teams should be taking notes. I know Carolina has, they are obviously the closest thing this league HAS to the Patriots and may be for a while until people stop HYPING teams because they have a Dante Hall to put them in the Playoffs. If I go to a store and they have a Keyshawn Johnson jersey but they don't have a Richard Seymour jersey...something is wrong

[MeanJoeGreene]

The writer did not say anything about luck, he said they cheated. :!:

[Onyx]

Sorry to break it to you hench, but the pats have no superstars.When I say superstar I mean someone who is known by a casual football fan. If I asked my sister who Tom Brady is she would have no idea but she knows who Peyton Manning is.

The Pats do deserve to be in the superbowl, anyone who can beat the best deserves to be in the SB.

[Fac X toR]

just for reference ...Tom Brady is super bowl 36 MVP and Pro Bowl Quarterback and if you are a Casual football fan then that person should have been watching football during those times

sry onyx but i just had to say that

[henchmen]

It's easier for you all to believe they are just lucky. Let me ask you one question though, how many times does a coin have to come up heads in a row before you realize it may not be luck... 14times? Maybe 15 will do it! :P

Check the Quote again MJG. The writer "I" am responding to said LUCK. Besides, you're a Steelers fan so I'm not surprised you would side with a writer from Pittsburgh. I know you just hate the Patriots regardless. You have been saying they were going to lose since the beginning and they still live.

Mean Joe...the Patriots are going to play your local High School Team...Who's Going to Win?

Your answer: The Local High School Team :roll:

[MeanJoeGreene]

Your right the Pats did get lucky vs Oakland in 2001.

Brady fumbled and Oak recoverd.

Not to mention the PR and KR TDs in the Pitt game that year.

One more day untill all you Chowds will be cryin'! :cry:

[Mystic]

i think the reason they say the pats always use luck, is because almost all of their "big games" have been real close, and many of them rely on a big call.. they have to be a good team to get to the SB, but the old cowboys, steelers, 9ers, all dominated their opponents, i think thats the difference

[henchmen]

You could be right...Maybe if the Patriots were beating everyone by 21 points people would give them more respect. But One Point or 21 points a win is a win and 15 in a row isn't LUCK :wink: 8)

[MeanJoeGreene]

Their luck is about to run out tonight :!: :twisted:

http://www.post-gazette.com/images2/20040201apjake_450.jpg

[MeanJoeGreene]

:cry:

[BBB]

If I asked my sister who Tom Brady is she would have no idea but she knows who Peyton Manning is.

Believe me, your sister and every other female knows who Tom Brady is today... :twisted:

Does this mean Brady is the best QB in the NFL? No, but that only proves you wrong about popular players being the best players!

[Onyx]

nope, she has no idea who he is and she doesnt know the panther QB either.

When did I say only popular players ar the best? I just said that the patriots have no superstars.

[henchmen]

Every Player on that team is a Superstar

[Onyx]

only in the eyes of patriot fans

[MikeRucker93]

If you defense has to rely on knocking the crap out of opposing receivers then it is cheap. The people have spoken Pats fans....you won, but I wouldn't say fair and square. By the way, the Carolina WRs burned the c r a p out of Tyrone Poole and Ty Law.

[BBB]

If you defense has to rely on knocking the [***] out of opposing receivers then it is cheap. The people have spoken Pats fans....you won, but I wouldn't say fair and square. By the way, the Carolina WRs burned the c r a p out of Tyrone Poole and Ty Law.

Ty Law never got burned, Muhammed beat Eugene Wilson in zone coverage.

If you are Mike Rucker, I find it hard to believe you are complaining about physical play equaling cheap play. Muhammed should be able to match up with any DB physically. You'll never win one if you make excuses like that.

[AMERICAN_DESI]

Don't anyone respond to this message saying "EXECUTION, SKILLS, HEART, CLUTCH" because that is bulls*** and you know it. It was nothing but luck. Throw the ball twice and you will go to FG range and then kick it and take the win like p****ies. Most of you get mad if anyone does that in the video game but that is exactly how Patriots win and that is the only way they will win because they are LUCKY. There is no pressure if you are on the offense for one last drive it is like try to win if not lets go to over time. If you are the defense it is a whole different story cause it is do or die situation and more than likely the defense will stutter coz they are so nervous on what is going to happen.

So next time you talk about how good Patriots are look at their games (physical does not mean getting lucky with defensive interference calls, holding calls). One of the lucky teams ever to win both their Super Bowls in the same fashion with the same opponent player (Ricky Proehl) scoring the game tieing touch down with the same guy kicking the same FG. Lucky a**es.

[BBB]

Don't anyone respond to this message saying "EXECUTION, SKILLS, HEART, CLUTCH"

EXECUTION, SKILLS, HEART, CLUTCH.... and BINGO

By the way you left out Muhammed's fumble that was called incomplete, and Fauria's TD that was ruled out of bounds when you mentioned luck or poor calls.

[henchmen]

You guys are Friggin Rediculous. ALL Patriots fans LAUGH at you Goofballs that keep sayin LUCKY :lol: So hard to swallow truth isn't it. It's kinda like an Alcoholic who refuses to believe he has a problem and then one day has to go through the PAIN of facing the TRUTH that he IS an Alcoholic. WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE so you boneheads in the cellar looking up can just sit down and have yourselves a nice hot cup of SHUT THE H-ELL UP cause your BS crybaby excuses are getting lame. If you REALLY read the c-rap you write, you'd realize just how dumb you sound. Do you know why the EXPERTS don't use words like that? Because they don't give BIASED opinions just because their FAVORITE team wasn't crowned Champion. They tell the TRUTH...

We PATRIOT DIE HARDS know NONE of you have SOLID arguments except to use words like LUCKY. LUCKY for 15 in a row? Get real Crybabies

Here's the TRUTH:

RAMS got SCHOOLED in 2001
CATS got SCHOOLED in 2003

They've also been to 4 SuperBowl in the last 20 Years...Winning 2 of them. We have the Best Team, Coach and Quarterback in ALL OF FOOTBALL...period

The Patriots OWN this League...YES OWN. All they've ever proved is that every other team is JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

Now SWALLOW that pill no matter how bad it tastes....FOOLS :twisted: :twisted:

TRUTH HURTS DOESN"T IT? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!

Funny that you asks us not to use words like EXECUTION, SKILLS, HEART, CLUTCH...you just described the PATRIOTS to a "T" and you know this.

Stay in DENIAL American Desi...you OBVIOUSLY DO KNOW what the PATRIOTS are made of...you just want to push it to the back burner because you can't accept the truth.

And just to prove you are a fool...Only the Defense is nervous during a Final Drive? You know nothing about football. The Panthers didn't "STUTTER"...the patriots just don't GO to Overtime, they slay their Dragons before the final whistle. They flushed the RAMS with a little over a minute and they FLUSHED the Cats with a little over a minute.

And where was this MIGHTY FRONT 4 on the Panthers D? Forgot to show up for the biggest game of their lives?...Wow...I guess the Patriots were lucky :roll: Goof... You're an Idiot American Desi...keep living in Denial.

The Patriots are going to run ROUGHSHOT in this league for a while to come. Brady won't stop with beating Montana and Marino in Career Stats...He's going beyond and just may end up...THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK OF ALL TIME. 2 titles in 3 years? Wake up Junior..that's not LUCK...that's just being the BEST.

[TjM]

Oh gimmie a break all that was a a jealous *** from Pitsburg who still cant get over the 01 AFC championship game

[TjM]

Sorry to break it to you hench, but the pats have no superstars.When I say superstar I mean someone who is known by a casual football fan. If I asked my sister who Tom Brady is she would have no idea but she knows who Peyton Manning is.

.

Ty Law
Rodney Harrison
Richard Seymore

I guess you could say they arent "Superstars" but the ARE great FOOTBALL PLAYERS which is more important people superstars or CHAMPIONSHIPS?

[TjM]

Don't anyone respond to this message saying "EXECUTION, SKILLS, HEART, CLUTCH" because that is bulls*** and you know it. It was nothing but luck. Throw the ball twice and you will go to FG range and then kick it and take the win like p****ies. Most of you get mad if anyone does that in the video game but that is exactly how Patriots win and that is the only way they will win because they are LUCKY. There is no pressure if you are on the offense for one last drive it is like try to win if not lets go to over time. If you are the defense it is a whole different story cause it is do or die situation and more than likely the defense will stutter coz they are so nervous on what is going to happen.

So next time you talk about how good Patriots are look at their games (physical does not mean getting lucky with defensive interference calls, holding calls). One of the lucky teams ever to win both their Super Bowls in the same fashion with the same opponent player (Ricky Proehl) scoring the game tieing touch down with the same guy kicking the same FG. Lucky a**es.


More ignorant a hole garbage blather from jealous people. What is it going to take people?? 10 more championships? If they go out and win it all FOR THE 3RD! Time in 4 years will you then stop whining like *****es?