Best Starting Pitching Rotation in 2004

[da1nonlydanny]

Personally, I think the Cubs do, with Prior, Wood, Zambrano, & Clement. Hopefully my Yanks' rotation will stay healthy (Brown in particular), and prove all haters & doubters wrong.

What do y'all think? 8)

[MuffinMcFluffin]

I'll tip it to Boston. I don't think that it can get much better than Martinez and Schilling... no matter what ANYBODY says.

If the Cubs keep who's on there now for the next 5 years, they are potentially to be the best IMO... not that they will get better (which they will anyways), but because the others will either get worse, or retire.

[nkhera1]

if cubs can get maddux then they will be the best. Even though he may not be that good anymore he can still win around 10 to 15 games for a club and pitch in the playoffs.

[da1nonlydanny]

If Brown is healthy he can be as good if not better than Schilling. He was last year. (Yeah, I know Schilling was hurt during the season). Let's see who's better in 2K4.

I think Vasquez could eventually be so good, he can one day be known simply as JAVIER, like PEDRO.

Mike Mussina will win 20 games for first time in his career in 2k4. Mark my words. Derek better keep his pitches Lowe to have a good year.

I'll pitch EL TITAN DE BRONZE (Jose Contreras, in case y'all didn't know) against Tim Wakefield anyday.

Jon Lieber---Pick Em---Byung-Hyun Kim.

I like the fact people are giving the AL EAST title to Boston. I'll enjoy being the underdog for the first time since '96 (lol). :lol: :lol: :lol:

[da1nonlydanny]

but I guess your pick is the Cubs.

[nkhera1]

you forgot derek lowe, plus the yankees have no left handed pitchers, and contreras is kinda a question mark, plus i think schilling is a little better than brown, but overall the yanks have more depth.

[ZosoCub]

Of course I'm incredibly biased, but I'm gonna have to go with my Cubs.

Prior will very possibly be the best pitcher in the NL this season.

Wood is inconsistent at times, but is overpowering and can dominate.

Zambrano is a machine

Clement has excellent potential

Juan Cruz is very talented, pitching lights out this winter

Maddux, well, I think everyone knows.

Other teams may have a better 1-2 (or even 3) punch with Clemens/Pettite/(Oswalt), Schilling/Pedro, etc., but I think the Cubs have more than excellent depth through the 5th spot and even have 3 or 4 highly touted prospects who could step in if need be.

[mistermet]

i think the A's might have the best rotation. youve got the big three of zito, mulder and hudson. then you have the rookie rich harden who will be a superstar in the future. and then they added mark redman. anyone of those guys could be at the top of the rotation. i was wishing my mets would have signed redman. looked really good last year with florida.

[pgamer]

As a Sox Fan...I would love to say Martinez, Schilling, Lowe are a good 1-2-3 punch. However gotta give the Cubs, management for credit for what they done, Prior, Wood, "Z" should be good for a while, I think the yanks have a good squad, but not as impressive as years past. It'll be interesting this year...there really is not much parity.

Pgamer

[schmitty]

Where are the Marlins? Obviously everybody hates them because they are the best and everyone is in denial but give them respect. They only lost Redman in the rotation and Burnett will be back hopefully by opening day. All the Marlins pitchers could get up to 15 wins each with some runs support.

[San Franpsycho]

Some great ones this season. I like Boston, then Cubs, then A's, then Yankees, then Phillies. But don't read that into anything, because they're all pretty close together. Should be a good World Series this season.

[jparker595]

i think the A's might have the best rotation. youve got the big three of zito, mulder and hudson. then you have the rookie rich harden who will be a superstar in the future. and then they added mark redman. anyone of those guys could be at the top of the rotation. i was wishing my mets would have signed redman. looked really good last year with florida.

I completely agree. The Big Three plus a couple legit 15 games winners. If not the A's, I may say the Cubs but I feel the A's are a lot stronger.

[ut_jazz]

athletics for sure

[Trevytrev11]

has any one staff carried a team as much as the A's have??
Theyve lost all their stud hitters, their offense is horrible, yet they've been to the post season the past three years, were all except huddy's rut with the twins in 2002, have pitched well there as well. All three have finished either first or second in the cy young the past 3 of 4 years.
Cubs are good, marlins are dismantling, yanks will be good, but all those teams have offenses that are feared. WHo do the A's have dye and chavez???

[BASEBALLonXBOX]

Yeah its the A's, but I believe Marlins are next, because we are talking about a whole rotation. Also they are not dismatling. They resigned Castillo and Lowell, they have Burnett, Pavano, Penny, and Beckett. Also Pudge is basically looking at Florida or Tigers, or no team at all, this was the latest report from Peter Gammons. Pudge aint dumb, he will be a Marlin before its all over with.

[J-ville Hawk]

Although I'm biased I think the Cubs have the best

[rangers_sel]

Without a doubt it has to be the Chicago Cubs. In a five man rotation, they have four guys that are beyond average! Wood, Prior, Zambrano, and Clement...all amazing pithcers that are bound for great things. The other teams on that list have good rotations as well, but don't nearly stack up against the Cubs and their arsenal.

My Vote: Chicago Cubs

[senorian]

as a die hard Angel fan I have a hard time saying this, but I defiently think the A's have the best starting 5. You have the monster trio of Hudson, Mulder, and Zito where if healthy any of them could win Cy Young/MVP. Plus they added Mark Redman, a solid chance to be a 12-15 game winner and they got studly rookie Rich Harden who showed signes of brillance last season. Only question is how much offensive support will they get but this topic is pitching not hitting otherwise i'd give the advantage to the Angels.

[schmitty]

Without a doubt it has to be the Chicago Cubs. In a five man rotation, they have four guys that are beyond average! Wood, Prior, Zambrano, and Clement...all amazing pithcers that are bound for great things. The other teams on that list have good rotations as well, but don't nearly stack up against the Cubs and their arsenal.

My Vote: Chicago Cubs
Clement is an average pitcher with horible control.

[cubsfan1978]

Without a doubt it has to be the Chicago Cubs. In a five man rotation, they have four guys that are beyond average! Wood, Prior, Zambrano, and Clement...all amazing pithcers that are bound for great things. The other teams on that list have good rotations as well, but don't nearly stack up against the Cubs and their arsenal.

My Vote: Chicago Cubs
Clement is an average pitcher with horible control.
Average?

Clement's stats in comparison with all MLB pitchers (91 who qualified):

#9 in BAA (ahead of Schilling, Prior, Mussina, Clemens, Colon, Wakefield, Morris, Lilly, Redman)
#16 in K/9 innings
#23 in WHIP (walks + hits per inning pitched)
#24 in quality starts
#33 in oppenents' OBP

Average? Please.

[willy1]

If the Cubs get Maddux, (cross your fingers folks!). They will have the deepest pitching staff in the league. And all of their starting pitchers are seasoned and now have playoff experience. They're going deep in the playoffs again this year folks! :wink:

[Trevytrev11]

A's and Cubs, yeah its obvious they are the top two.
Hudson vs Wood
Zito vs Prior
Mulder vs Zambrano
Redman vs Clement
Hardin vs???

Man how awsome would that series be? The ftop two matchups could go either way, I think whoever the A's would throw third would top out over zambrano. The bottom two could go either way. If you add Maddux into the equation, everything changes, but I think it still may favor oakland.

[bigfnjoe96]

Starting pitching is very overatted now a days. You will definetly need a bullpen. Right now da yankees have da best pen. Starters will not have to go more than 6 innings. This makes da yankees very dangerous.

Flash Gordon
Paul Quantrill
Felix Heredia
Gabe White
Steve Karsay
Mo Rivera

So for me starting Pitchin ain't nuthing without a pen...

[Trevytrev11]

I dont know man, Rivera's not what he used to be, I think this was obvious last year. Gordon's getting up there in age, and Karsay is fresh off major suregery, who knows how hes going to comeback. The A's picked up Arthur Rhodes and Chris Hammonds to go with bradford whose got one of the lowest opponenats avg and rincon who is nuts on lefties.

I don't think ones really got an edge in that category.

[lllllll23lllllll]

Starting pitching is very overatted now a days. You will definetly need a bullpen. Right now da yankees have da best pen. Starters will not have to go more than 6 innings. This makes da yankees very dangerous.

Flash Gordon
Paul Quantrill
Felix Heredia
Gabe White
Steve Karsay
Mo Rivera: Hes playing with more passion this year folks! :wink:

So for me starting Pitchin ain't nuthing without a pen...





^^^
I agree with him..!! :wink:


Which is why im going with the A's also. Mulder, Zito and Hudson can put you in a 3-0 hole real quick in the Playoffs and they're all Cy-Young candidates. Thats what their rotation was built for....the Playoffs! :(

Next would be the Cubbies of course and the best one-two-punch goes to Boston in my opinion. Once again bad for the opposition! :(







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[REDSFAN2004]

i would have to say in the NL i think the cubs but in the AL i will go with the redsox

[TjM]

"I'll pitch EL TITAN DE BRONZE (Jose Contreras, in case y'all didn't know) against Tim Wakefield anyday. "

Are you Nuking Futs

[TjM]

you forgot derek lowe, plus the yankees have no left handed pitchers, and contreras is kinda a question mark, plus i think schilling is a little better than brown, but overall the yanks have more depth.


More wha...now you feeling ok???? The problem with the Yankees pitching staff is they have NO depth.

[mikeortank]

The best starting rotation would have to go to the A's
1.The Big Three
2.Harden will be as good as the Big 3
3.Every pitcher has the skill to win over 15 games
4.They are all healthy except Mulder especially that none of them
except Harden are really power pitchers

The second best staff would go to the Cubs
1.Prior and Wood
2.Maddux
3.They probably have the best bullpen with Remlinger ,
Borowski , Hawkins , Farnsworth

The team that would be next is the Sox
1.Schilling is probably the best pitcher in Baseball
2.Pedro (even though I hate him is the second best pitcher)

The only problem with the Sox is if Schilling or Pedro get hurt
the rest of the staff really is not that strong.


4.Astros
5.Angels
6.Yankees

[jj1313]

Ok..for the last decade the power pitching rotation of the Atlanta Braves dominate the National League. Now with the leave of his two main guys (Glavine, the last year to the Mets. Maddux this year to the Cubs) they have simply nothing :? okkk. yeah Ortiz can win 20+ games but the season have 180+ games. In my opinion the new look of an outstanding pitching rotation, like the Braves 93-2002, will be this year Houston Astros. They have:
1. Roy Oswalt (he is the most intimidating ace in this rotation of aces. the last year the injuries not help him too much but this year I promise that he will win 15+ games)
2. Andy Pettite (he is the man in this rotation. With him this rotation is the most solid in the MLB. He bring stability and pressure situation experience (some that they needed the last year.))
3. Wade Miller (he is the prototype of a good third pitcher in a rotation like this)
4. Roger Clemens (No doubt...The Rocket is in Houston) Too much experience to this staff 8)
5. Tim Redding (Its MEE. Tim is in progress to become a great pitcher)

With this staff, the Astros will going to win the World Series. :D

[Nomahh]

Mikeortank, all of the Sox starters could win 15. Lowe, Wakefield, and Arroyo are easily cabible. I dont even need to mention Pedro and Schilling

[Mariners in 2006]

I cant believe the Mariners are not on this list...They could have at least taken the Angels spot...

M's
Moyer
Garcia
Pineirio
Franklin
Meche

Angels
Colon
Washburn
Escobar
Lackey
Sele

Who do you think is better?

[Nomahh]

I think its close, but I would give it to the Mariners

[ut_jazz]

seattle is better than anaheim imo

[GoYanks016]

I don't care what anyone repsonds with, Kevin Brown is the best pitcher in the majors right now

Pedro is a bum, if he deosn't strike out the side first inning he throws it at people's heads, leaves the park early and tells the media he's injured (evertime he loses, he's got some kind of injury)

Lowe sucks, Moose is way better.

Vasquez will be an example of great scouting by the Yanks

BKKim is a releiver, IDK what Francona is doing starting him

Knuckleheads aren't really reliable (Aaron Boone!)


Schilling is all the Sox really got

[Nomahh]

I don't care what anyone repsonds with, Kevin Brown is the best pitcher in the majors right now

Pedro is a bum, if he deosn't strike out the side first inning he throws it at people's heads, leaves the park early and tells the media he's injured (evertime he loses, he's got some kind of injury)

Lowe sucks, Moose is way better.

Vasquez will be an example of great scouting by the Yanks

BKKim is a releiver, IDK what Francona is doing starting him

Knuckleheads aren't really reliable (Aaron Boone!)


Schilling is all the Sox really got
Hahahaha good atempt to make the Sox look bad by comparing our number 3 starter with your number 2. Anyways its seems that the people like the Sox lineup over the Yanks

[GoYanks016]

Here's my rankings of pitchers between Yanks-Red Sox

1 Kevin Brown
2Curt Schilling
3 Javier Vasquez
4 Moose
5 Pedro
6 Low

Feel free to post yours... but I'll always be here to argue

[Nomahh]

I dont get how you put Vasquez over Mussina
Anyways I am not even gunna bother to argue with you again because we did it once in the Sox Thread
Oh and one last thing, what's with the sig?

[GoYanks016]

So far, Moose hasn't done too good.

Vasquez got great endurance.

My sig is a joke-from a sportscenter commercial

Linda Cohn grabs a maascot, thorws him up against the wall and screams "WHAT RHYMES WITH GAGNE?"

And I'm also kind of curious-What does rhyme with Gagne

[Nomahh]

Well it doesnt mean Mussina is worse because he is having a bad beginning. I believe many people would still say Manny is better than Ortiz even though Ortiz is havin the better start.
Now I get it