Baltimore Ravens League best 24 million under the cap!!!!!

[rave_nomad]

If the Ravens sign Sapp, they likely won't reconfigure from a 3-4 defense (three linemen and four linebackers) despite Sapp's playing all his NFL career in a 4-3 formation. He would be plugged into right end, where Marques Douglas started last season.

The Buccaneers are not optimistic about keeping Sapp, according to yesterday's St. Petersburg Times. Tampa Bay has the worst salary cap figure in the NFC and has glaring needs on offense and defense.

Meanwhile, the Ravens are expected to be constantly linked to free-agent rumors involving Sapp and 49ers receiver Terrell Owens because they are a league-best $24 million under the cap and have the most money to spend.

According to the St. Petersburg Times, it is believed the Ravens are the front-runners for Sapp considering his ties with former University of Miami teammate and Ravens All-Pro linebacker Ray Lewis.

"I think Ray was doing a lot of recruiting at the Pro Bowl," Buccaneers general manager Bruce Allen said.

Sun staff writer Brent Jones contributed to this article.


Its ok Junior and Baillie Dont hate the player!!!!!! And oh yea baillie i beat you by 4 points ...so the missed fg meant nothing!!!49-45..........you can check this article at baltiomresun.com have fun....I wish everyone would stop doubting me ....i have good sources....The future is a promising one for a team that will return a majority of its eight Pro Bowl performers including Jamal Lewis, the NFL's Offensive Player of the Year, and Ray Lewis, the league's Defensive Player of the Year.

"I thought we came together as a team this season," Jamal Lewis said. "But we will come back a much hungrier team."

Said Ray Lewis, who registered 19 tackles: "No matter how young we are, those guys fought to the last field goal. So when you say 'close,' I think we're scary close."

[henchmen]

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This is what I think about the Ravens

BTW...That's a Real City you see in the background...I lived in Baltimore for 3 months... :shock:

[antbull]

BALT is a fake run down city..LOL. Joking it does have some ok parts but overall theres no way i'd EVER live in BALT.

[rave_nomad]

I notice you didnt say i was wrong about the Ravens being 24 million under the cap ....or about how they are the front runners in getting warren sapp or Terrel Owens ...nice pics though.....i was born in Baltimore and still have a house there...and for me nothing beats the good ol eastern shore...cheseepeak bay area....those houses are historic....Baltimore is a awesome place and i think alot of people will agree...and you seem to be a little bit of a bandwagon Pats fan..Who did you like 2 years ago ....or 3 or 4 or 5 years ago ..i bet it wasnt the Patriots.....and by the way i do have to thank the pats for there first round pick last year ..thats how we got Kyle Boller and thats why we have 24 million dollars to spend!! So thanks......

[rave_nomad]

Its a very nice area i Honeymooned in Annapolis Md......Very nice place...Im White as well like that matters but the Whole Downtown Baltimore area is safe and redone and rebuilt so its an awesome sight...the Rowhouses bring alot of history to life !!! http://www.ravensnest2.com/insiders/den/1439607_8.jpg

[henchmen]

Let's See....Born in Weymouth Massachusetts... Grew up in Scituate Mass. Moved to Florida because of a divorce..moved back to Mass and graduated in Waltham. Also lived in Lexington, Bedford, Woburn, Braintree, Burlington and Hanson, Mass.

Do I qualify?

I've never cheered for another team in my life and I never will. Not to mention I have the Bruins / Celtics logo tatooed on my right shoulder and a Patriots / Redsox logo tatooed on my left shoulder.

Do I qualify again?

LOL,,,I can however, appreciate other teams as a fan. That's what separates you and I. I waited my whole life for these last 3 years and you know what?...it's only getting better. Nice pic of Ray...is that your reply to 2 Superbowl Trophies?

You should check out some of the Houses in Massachusetts, if you're a fan of the "authentic" colonial style homes. Especially in the South Shore. We had the Biggest White House ON THE WATER, Minot Beach. Now that was a house. Baltimore was very dirty and old looking...someone needs to invest in making it cleaner. Sit along the Charles River or get off 1/2 the exits on the Redline...Harvard Square,...you'll see the difference.

Bandwagon here? NOT

[rave_nomad]

Sure , sure live it up ......Like i have been saying all the teams are 0-0 and the Patriots are not even in the front running in most peoples mind as repeat chumpions.......They were supposed to demolish the much less talanted Carolina team....hmmm ...but that didnt happen did it?? Its a good thing the Ravens didnt get the chance to play the Patriots...they might not be SuperBowl Chumps right now......The Patriots are far ,far,far from a Dynasty......after there first SB win they didnt even make the playoff's and i expect the same this time around ......I promise you this...you will never see a team fall farther from Grace then the Patriots will this year....as for dirty towns ...i have been to Bean town and its no Better Then Detroit..and thats bad!!!! ....And at least where i come from people pronounce "Car", "Dresser" and "sister" right ...what is a "caar" anyway???http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7380/hedlogo1.gif

[henchmen]

Sure , sure live it up ......Like i have been saying all the teams are 0-0 and the Patriots are not even in the front running in most peoples mind as repeat chumpions.......They were supposed to demolish the much less talanted Carolina team....hmmm ...but that didnt happen did it?? Its a good thing the Ravens didnt get the chance to play the Patriots...they might not be SuperBowl Chumps right now......The Patriots are far ,far,far from a Dynasty......after there first SB win they didnt even make the playoff's and i expect the same this time around ......I promise you this...you will never see a team fall farther from Grace then the Patriots will this year
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Jealousy's a B*tch...Ain't It?

[rave_nomad]

The good thing about Football is there is always next year ......I had fun this past year and the Ravens went far beyond what i thought they would do ....I picked them at 7-9......All any fan can do is hope there team is in the plaoff hunt in December...and mine was.....I was glad when the Patriots beat the Panthers because i always go for the AFC.....i am far from jealous.........Im a good sport....Im glad that this past year your team won....all im saying is were all 0-0 at this point .....
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[henchmen]

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[Bears34]

......I promise you this...you will never see a team fall farther from Grace then the Patriots will this year.... ...[/img]


Have the Ravens made the playoffs since their SB win???

And the 85-86 Bears are the best defense ever. If the Ravens didnt play 8 games against the putrid AFC north they wouldnt have set the points scored against record.

[rave_nomad]

HAHAHA...dont make me laugh....the Ravens have made the Playoffs every year but one since then......and even in there rebuilding year they were in the hunt ...and that was without Ray Lewis and a healthy Jamal Lewis....and at those times they had to play a top Pittsburg team and a top Tatians team as well as a pretty good Cleveland team....Ravens 2000 team had the best D Ever!!!! period...nuff said!!!http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7380/RRhlmtlogo.gif

[henchmen]

argueably :roll:

[rave_nomad]

Its arguable that the Patriots could have lost if they had to play in Indy for the Championship.......The Titans were a tough team as were the Steelers...and the Ravens consistently beat those two teams.....http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7380/BRPATCH.JPG

[henchmen]

Don't play with "could have's"...come on. We beat both NFL MVP's twice and made the second greatest run in history next to the Dolphins so enough about your Blah Blah Blah..what are you reporting from Raven's Camp? What is this? Enough with it already. If I want to learn more about the Ravens I can go to their HOME PAGE

You're turning into a COHERENT ChrisX26

[Bears34]

Feeling a bit uptight there Raven? Settle down man. Sports and sports records are always meant to be argued. Thats the beauty of it. Noone can prove who the best D was of all time.


But its fact that the Ravens were defiantely the worst team to ever win a superbowl.

[rave_nomad]

If you dont want to know about the Ravens stop clicking on my messages....... There are alot of Ravens fans here though and i will continue to give out the good word.....If you dont like it tough c-r-a-p
And just to let you know all my info doesnt come from the Ravens homepage.....I have a inside sorce to most things i hear ...so .....when all the things i've been saying come true..ie..Terrel Owens.....Warren Sapp....you will think ...."man that Rave_nomad really knew his stuff".....Peace!

[rave_nomad]

LMAO...How were the Ravens the worst team to win a SB???
Was it there 14 game win streak? Was it there Dominating Defence?
Was it there ability to not let a Running back to get 100 yards against them in 38 games?? Was it crushing Denver 20-3 in the Wild card game?? Was it Crushing the Titans 24-10 in the Divional game? Was it Killing the highly potant Oakland Raiders 16-3 ?? Or was it them pretty much Shuting out the Giants 34-7 in the SB????? or having the most shutouts in a 16 game season??? Or was it fewest Points allowed in a season???? Cluse me in ..please...LOL....


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[Bears34]

Why dont you post the offensive stats for that team. And you will see what I mean.

How many games in a row did you guys go without scoring a TD?





I understand the passion you must have for your team. All their tradition and all. You must have been a fan of theirs for atleast 25 years.............
........Oh wait they only been a team for what like 7 years.

[henchmen]

And just to let you know all my info doesnt come from the Ravens homepage.....I have a inside sorce to most things i hear

OK Chris Berman, I thought I was going to read something interesting...once or twice..but every morning I wake up and you're reporting from Ray Lewis's Bathroom...It's just pathetic. Lots of Raven's fans? Quote me 3 other people's GOOD comments about the Ravens since you started rambling?

All you do is get flack and that's what fuels your little tyraids. Don't worry, the next time I see RAVENS this and it has your name on it...consider it ignored and thanks for the "inside scoop" there, Gruden. :roll:

Enjoy your Draft...can't wait to see all your moves come true. :twisted:

[rave_nomad]

Doesnt the fact that in 2000 we went 5 games without a TD and still won 4?? Doesnt that say something about carisma??? That year which was Jamal Lewis Rookie year ...he had 1400 yeard rushing and in a back up role Priest Holms had almost 700 yeards rushing....Shannon Sharpe was at over 1000 yards in rec yardage....and Quadry ismail had almost 1000 yards.....Bottom line is they smacked every team they played and i never have seen anything like it......they are the hardest hitting team i have ever seen play...they made anyone who touched the ball regret it....Poor little rich Gannon got flatened in the Championship game....poor little guy...and as for being a fan or tradition ...I Liked the Colts as they were in Baltimore ...but when Baltimore got a new team i of course was an instant Ravens Fan ..not that i dont like the Colts still ....But i havent missed a Ravens Training camp since they joined the NFL..
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[henchmen]

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I'mSorry........Did you say something?

[rave_nomad]

Hey Stenchmen Why is David Spade holding the Trophy???
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[FridayFrenzy]

The Ravens still have to sign McAlister which will take up a huge portion of that coin and they are going to pay in the future when their salary numbers catch up to them.

[rave_nomad]

well they will pay Mcalister ..around 7 million per season.....and they have Lewis,Lewis,Bowlware,Suggs,Boller,Heap,Ogden,Taylo r,Ricard,Baxter,Gregg,Mulitalo,orlando brown....and many , many others signed for over 4 years ...and they have no 1st or 2nd round picks this year so they are sitting pretty ...thanks for the input though .....Peace!!
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[henchmen]

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Maybe you could come up with a better comparison..this is Tom Brady? :roll: sinking lower Gonad

[pjconRAD]

Just to let you all know...not all or us Ravens fans are as obnoxious as this fool. Baltimore is a great city though, I am born and raised. Someone said something about them needing to clean up the city, there is a 30 million rennovation of the inner harbor going on over the next 10 years or so. Lets just hope it doesnt turn out to be something like the 'big dig' :wink: .

Everyone has their favorite team for their own reason, and everyone hates other teams for their own reason. Lets keep it at that. Dont let this fanatic be a reason for you to hate the Ravens though...come up with a better reason.

[rave_nomad]

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[rave_nomad]

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[TjM]

LOL HA Henchman

[TjM]

That would be Pats 2 ravens 1

[TjM]

And I aint a bandwagoner either Im a life long Bostonian and I been a Pats fan my whole life

[TjM]

Sure , sure live it up ......Like i have been saying all the teams are 0-0 and the Patriots are not even in the front running in most peoples mind as repeat chumpions.......They were supposed to demolish the much less talanted Carolina team....hmmm ...but that didnt happen did it?? Its a good thing the Ravens didnt get the chance to play the Patriots...they might not be SuperBowl Chumps right now......The Patriots are far ,far,far from a Dynasty......after there first SB win they didnt even make the playoff's and i expect the same this time around ......I promise you this...you will never see a team fall farther from Grace then the Patriots will this year....as for dirty towns ...i have been to Bean town and its no Better Then Detroit..and thats bad!!!! ....And at least where i come from people pronounce "Car", "Dresser" and "sister" right ...what is a "caar" anyway


Ok first off its CAAAAH! damnit secondly Vegas already installed them as faves to repeat and third you really come off in the post as a jealous *****

[TjM]

And to even insinuate Boston is like Detroit proves you're just acting like a whiney child who had his toy taken away

[FridayFrenzy]

The Seahawks should have plenty of salary cap space with which to work, as some published reports have them realistically getting close to $20 million under the $80.5 million cap.

[henchmen]

Just to let you all know...not all or us Ravens fans are as obnoxious as this fool. Baltimore is a great city though, I am born and raised. Someone said something about them needing to clean up the city, there is a 30 million rennovation of the inner harbor going on over the next 10 years or so. Dont let this fanatic be a reason for you to hate the Ravens though...come up with a better reason.

Actually if you want the truth, I like the Ravens. I've never hated the Ravens. I'm just wondering why homeboy here keeps holding onto 4 years ago and feels it necessary to promote the Ravens like EVERYONE should Look out. He starts putting people on his team that aren't...it's just rediculous.

I love watching Ray Lewis...he's the single most INTENSE athlete in football today. The man does not stop his pursuit till the play is over and he will try to get in on the tackle no matter where he is. How can you NOT appreciate that. And Jamal Lewis is a Powerful, Powerful runner who ALMOST took the record for single season efforts. I think Todd Heap is a good TE maybe top 3 easily. There are some other decent players on there but should I stop what I'm doing and hand out some cartwheels for the Ravens? Am I happy with the team that I love, the Patriots? Hellyah. Which team is better?

I don't need to answer that one...the WORLD knows which team is better and which team to look out for next year and it ain't the Ravens. Although I do believe they should "likely" make it to the playoffs again...LIKELY I SAID as it is likely my boys will be back in the hunt too. DEFENDING THE WORLD TITLE...

you went too far digging up the 4 year OLD PHOTOS...Got any of Elvis in there Gonad?

I actually lived in Rockville Maryland but traveled to Baltimore many times...hey every city has it's slums but usually they are tucked away in the back somewhere..Baltimore was wearing their filth on the outside IMO. If they are cleaning it over the next 10 years..fine but I do have another question for you Maryland folks...why do you guys have so many BLACK CRICKETS all over the place? Seriously, I've never seen so many of those insects in one place in all my life. Sorry, not a big fan of the cricket

[henchmen]

Ok first off its CAAAAH! damnit secondly Vegas already installed them as faves to repeat and third you really come off in the post as a jealous *****

See..this man knows what he's talking about. It's a PAHTY in Boston...time to have a few Beeahs and get Hammehd and sloshed.

:wink: usually just said it..never tried to spell it. LOL

[BaiLLiE]

Yes Please enough already no one wants to hear about all the possible trades and free agency signings, no one wants to hear about the past years or about Killer Ray. If they did they'd go to the site instead of having you copy and paste articles for them.

[pjconRAD]

I knew it was only a matter of time before someone brought up the Ray is a murder line...no matter where I am whenever someone says something bad about the Ravens the murderer thing comes into play.

Has everyone forgotten about Ray Carruth? He actually was arrested and guilty of murder charges.

Henchmen - I want to hear your thoughts on the 'big dig' everyone seemed to overlook that comment in my last post. And about the crickets I have never really noticed that to be a problem, I guess I am used to it. And every city wears their slums on the outside, the downtown area is usually the nicest and then the lower end housing surrounds until the suburbs start to exist outside the city limits. I am glad to hear that you are a true fan of the sport of football...no need for this fanboy crap going on. Everyone should love the sport for what it is...Americas Passion.

[henchmen]

Lets just hope it doesnt turn out to be something like the 'big dig' :wink:

I read it but to be honest, I missed the relevence or the joke. I guess you're referring to the project where they dug the Central Artery undergground to allow a better flow and faster traffic in and out of the city. I heard about because I have cousins who live in Braintree and they visit me all the time. The last time my cousin was here I asked him about the NEW passway and he said it was cool and that you could get from the South Shore to Chinatown in about 12 minutes or some sh-t..I don't remember exactly but...I don't think I would feel too safe driving underwater trusting that It'll never give way...LOL

What was the joke or comment? What exactly does your comment mean?

I probably missed something about the "big dig" sorry dude...I've been in Florida for a little while. If I didn't have Satellite TV I'd have to move back to Boston for the SPORTS alone.LOL

I miss the days of FREEZING my a55 off early after dusk walking up a few blocks to my buddies place, Hockeystick and Tennis Ball handy, doing my best Bobby Orr imitations on the way just to catch the Bruins game on NESN. My Dad canceled the Cable cause of my Grades. I was a terrible student. But I had my sports.

Nothing can ever replace hearing Fred Cusick scream "SCOOOORRREEE CAM NEELY....AND THE BRUINS GO UP 3-1!" Man, Boston is a great Sports Town, regardless of the Red Sox Mystery. The Bruins are historic, The Celtics with 16 NBA Championships, now the Patriots making their mark...it's a good time to be a fan in Boston and I will NEVER trade my bloodline EVER.... even if I live in Alaska. Correction: It's ALWAYS a good time to be a fan in Boston. 8)

[rave_nomad]

Well its nice that your such a nice Baaastan fan ..nobodys knocking it...Downtown Baltimore has already undergone a huge transformation .....Camden Yards , Psinet Stadium, espn Zone all right on the inner harbor.....Baltimore has always been a top Sports city From the Old Colts to the new Ravens they sell out every game....even when they were losing...even before they could use psi net...when they had to use the old run down Memorial stadium ...the very same stadium the Greatest QB ever used as his playground....Johhny Unitas......Ohhhh Lets not forget about baseball...even the past few years with the Orioles lagging a bit they still sell out...i was on vacation there and you couldnt find a ticket.....and they were barley below 500 ball.....Have the Wizards too ...i know there no Celtics but they do play in Maryland....as do the Caps and alot of People like them as well......Dont try and fool everyone into thinking Boston is sooooooooo Great ....I've been there....they have garbage just like everywhere else.........And i am a fan of Sports and the Most Ravonus fan there is ...im the guy in the Ravens jersey in the bar screeming for the Ravens in a bar full of Bucs fan ....(Yea im that guy) .....Im the Guy that Road Tripped in 20001 to Tennessee to watch my Ravens Beat the Titans in the Divisional Playoffs...(yea i got spit on and took a few punches) again im that guy........and i see everyone else in this forum use it for there personal use...so why not me ...am i a little over the top....sure!! But thats what America's all about........Peace!!
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[henchmen]

:mrgreen:

You're all Right Gonad.....I like your style :wink:

[pjconRAD]

The 'big dig' was in reference to the rennovations going on in citys on the east coast. Someone said something about how Baltimore is falling apart and run down. I was talking about the 30mil 10 yr rennovation going on in the Inner Harbor and I was saying that I hope it doesnt turn into something like the 'big dig' did in Boston. I used to visit friends of the family who live in Swamscott Mass. from age 2 to about when i was 12. The big dig was supposed to be a cheap shor term project. It ended up costing the city double what they expected and took nearly twice the time they had planned on....a big mess for the transportation in the city. They just recently finished it and I would love to visit to see how it has changed the city although I would too be a little uneasy driving under water like that.

I love Baltimore and I have always said that if I ever move to another city it would be Boston. I love the weather of the North East and Boston is a beautiful city. Im not quite sure I could handle the accent that comes with the territory but atleast its better than New York! There should be no arguing between Boston and Baltimore, we should all join in our hatred for every New York team there is.

Rave Nomad...i live in Baltimore MD and we dont claim the Caps or the Wizzies as our own. They USED to be located in Landover MD, but the MCI center is in DC so they are gone. The skins however still are located in MD but I dont want to get started on them.

[rave_nomad]

Well i was speaking for myself .... i happen to be a Tampa Bay Lightning Fan as far as Hockey goes......sometimes I see them Play the Red Wings here in Michigan.....But i knew quite a few people that went out to the B-Ball game or hockey game from Baltimore...and i do hate all New York Teams....I was born in Baltimore and moved to Florida when i was 5 in the St. Petersburg area....but now i own a House in Maryland and in Michigan (Because my wife is from Michigan)....and my Family still lives in Florida....which is really alot nicer then Maryland ..plus i hate the cold, cold weather...I plan to move back to FLorida in the next few years and open a new Video game/Sports card shop there like i have here...i think it would do very well.....
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[ambrosio4]

I guess they are 24 million under, but they still have to resign your "young big lineman" Bennie Anderson, Orlando Brown, Casey Rabach. As well as your shutdown corner McAllister ($$$$). Kicker, Stover. And some other guys I've never heard of... here's a link to chew on...

http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/fa?oldTeamId=33

[rave_nomad]

most of theose guys are cheap...and they wont resign Orland Brown after he cost them the playoff game vs. the Titans....Only a few of the people on that list are actually free agents as well....Mcalister is the franchise player and the rest were backups......only 3 starters from last years Ravens are Free agents and the Ravens have no 1st round pick to blow cash on....there ya go!! peace!
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[ambrosio4]

So Jamal got all those yards without Brown and co.?

Doesn't Franchise player mean the average salary of the top 5 players?

Quite a few players, even at a million each starts to add up...

[rave_nomad]

they wont resign all of them ..but Brown wasnt a starter anyway on the O-line....and who knows if they change there minds and keep him...there is still a chance Mcalister will reach a contract with Baltimore before March 3rd...so that will save a few million and the rest are Restricted free agents which means Baltimore Has the last word on wheather they go or stay ....every team in the NFL has a long list of Unrestricted and restricted free agents......and i think Baltimore is in the best shape to resign more then most...will they resign all of them??? No of course not...but most of there starters from a year ago will be back along with hopefuly Terrel Owens and Warren Sapp.....No team will have the same exact players as last year ..it just wont happen..peace!!
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[CamileVelasco]

money money money :D :D :D

[rave_nomad]

Ok thanks for the input!!!lol

[StopMe]

raven_goof...u NOT getting both sapp and T.O. stfu

[FridayFrenzy]

Take a look at those name on the FA list and you will see that a few of them will cost the Ravens a chunk of change.
McAlister was slapped with the franchise tag, so that is the top 5 salary at CB.
Hartwell is also going to be given a hefty salary. Then add the likes of Orlando Brown, Wright, Robinson, Alan Ricard, Chris Redman and Adelius Thomas and a large percentage or your salary cap space is gone.

The Ravens have so much cap space because they have no on on their payroll and on their team.

Too bad about TO misfiling his free agent paperwork hey? Now he isn't going to be as cheap as before and a team will have to give compensation to the 49ers. LOL

[rave_nomad]

The Ravens dont need to resign ..Chris Redman,Anthony Wright,Marcus Robinson(because they will be getting Terrel Owens) ....that leaves Hartwell who is a RESTRICTED Free agent...he will be traded for Terrel Owens.....the Ravens dont need him.....They have Peter Bowlware OLB
Ray Lewis MLB , Adelius Thomas MLB and Terrel Suggs OLB ...remember Terrel Suggs got his 14 sacks as a rookie ..but he wasnt a starter...he only played on passing downs....now he will be a starter...that leaves Ricard,orlando Brown as the only unrestricted free agengs they will need to resign..and with 24 million ..i think they can do it ..peace!!!!
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[Rebels10]

Rave you make me laugh...every forum you start is how great the Ravens are and how great their francise is. You mentioned to Hench earlier that the Pats wont win and they wont be considered to go to the super bowl. i ask you this, "The were they considered the favorite when they won their last two." In fact the past 4 out of 5 SB champs have come from nowhere...only TB was a legimate Super Bowl favorite. I mean really after buffalo beat NE 31-0 in week 1 no one thought the Pats were going to be good.

Also, I dont think NE really cares about their first round pick last year bc they have 2 first and second round picks this year. The pats will be around for a long time.

Sapp will resign. Tampa is going to trade KJ and will free up space for Sapp. Sapp loves TB and Florida--he will stay.

I would look for the Jets to make a big push for TO. They really need him. The Jets would be an instant SuperBowl favorite. TO would love playing infront of the New York Media. Also the Jets have the cap room for him.

[Reed#20]

The Ravens dont need to resign ..Chris Redman,Anthony Wright,Marcus Robinson(because they will be getting Terrel Owens) ....that leaves Hartwell who is a RESTRICTED Free agent...he will be traded for Terrel Owens.....the Ravens dont need him.....They have Peter Bowlware OLB
Ray Lewis MLB , Adelius Thomas MLB and Terrel Suggs OLB ...remember Terrel Suggs got his 14 sacks as a rookie ..but he wasnt a starter...he only played on passing downs....now he will be a starter...that leaves Ricard,orlando Brown as the only unrestricted free agengs they will need to resign..and with 24 million ..i think they can do it ..peace!!!!
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Dude what are you talking about? Adalius Thomas IS NOT an MLB. And the Ravens more than likely will resign Wright and Robinson. IF any WR gets cut it will probably be Sanders. Saying we do not need Hartwell, do you know what you are talking about? I contend you don't. The man had 191 total tackles the year Ray was out and this passed year Ray put up 226 total while Hartwell still put up 141 total tackles, 3 sacks and 1 INT. You don't just look at that type of production and say ohhh we don't need him. Yeah right. And who would replace him unless we took an ILB from the draft like Rod Taylor in the 2nd round? Benardo Harris is at best a back up. Bart Scott is a bit on the lean side to play Strong Side ILB.

Not only that, Suggs while he is an OLB, he still has alot to learn at the position. TN exposed him really bad. Finally if we go out and spend all of that money, what do you suggest we do about the LDE spot as well as the right side of the offensive line which is HORRIBLE in pass protection? With what you are talking you turn Ozzie Newsome into Dan Snyder. There is no way the Ravens should give up their 2nd or even 3rd rounder either. Grabbing young players and developing them through the draft has always been the teams strong point. Don't make Ozzie into Snyder, a guy who doesn't care 2 bits about draft picks and would rather spend all his money on high profile FA's and only win 5 games a year. Whoever is in the TO race, all they have to do is be patient and see what happens, might not need to give up any picks for him at all, although a compensatory pick could be awarded to the 49ers.

[rave_nomad]

Dude get your facts straight....Thomas could easily be a MLB...he wasnt a LB at all at first ...i think they resign him and switch him out with Hartwell
Suggs might have alot to learn but he had 7 forced fumbles and a bunch of FR as well ...and to top it off 14 sacks as a part time player....
we need a guy like Terrell Owens to at least make people think we have a passing game.....We just got Mike Flynn back so that was a top priority.....Bowlware has spent time at MLB as well.....So they have alot of options....peace!!!
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[Rebels10]

I know you are big on Bollier, but if the Ravens dont resign Redman and Wright are they only going to carry one QB? Back-up QB's dont come cheap anymore man. Plus, they are going to need some kind of vet in there. dont think they are going to invest their whole season on a guy who has started 5 NFL games and have a nobody as the backup, bc Bollier has not shown how durable he is yet. Can he play a whole season...we dont know bc he lasted six weeks.

So, some of your money will go to resignig Wright and another QB. I would be amazed if they re-signed Redman, bc he is horrible.

[Reed#20]

Dude get your facts straight....Thomas could easily be a MLB...he wasnt a LB at all at first ...i think they resign him and switch him out with Hartwell
Suggs might have alot to learn but he had 7 forced fumbles and a bunch of FR as well ...and to top it off 14 sacks as a part time player....
we need a guy like Terrell Owens to at least make people think we have a passing game.....We just got Mike Flynn back so that was a top priority.....Bowlware has spent time at MLB as well.....So they have alot of options....peace!!!
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You get your facts straight. Above you said Adalius was an MLB and that's not even close to being true at all. And Adalius WILL NOT play ILB for us man. If anything moving Brown inside would make more sense, but even that is not a FIX. I'm not doubting Suggs' potential nor the numbers he put up last year, I'm just stating the FACT that in many games he got exposed against the run because he got trapped inside which messed Ray up alot (2 games that stick out are our shutout vs the Browns and the Titans playoff game. Although Suggs shined in that shutout he got yelled at on quite a few occassions, and I won't even go into detail about the TN game). That's why Ray would be yelling at him on the sideline to NOT get trapped inside. And did Suggs have 14 sacks or was it 12? The main site has him down for 12. Every site has him down for 12. Stop adding. And when has Boulware EVER been an ILB in the 34 for us or even the 43?? Dude you don't know what the H you are talking about? They may shift over and do all that but that doesn't make Boulware an ILB in a 34 scheme. Not only that it would be DUMB of us to play him there minimalizing his pass rush skills off the edge. I hate to ask, but do you watch the Ravens at all? Because some of these things you are saying make it APPEAR that you do not. I'm not saying yes or no, but some of what you are saying makes it appear that you do not watch or if you do, you don't pay much attention.

We might get TO and we might not. Right now it is up in the air.

[Rebels10]

Well put reed!

[rave_nomad]

First off A Thomas has spent time on the D-line as well as playing both MLB and OLB...if you need to check some archives go ahead...second i know more about the Ravens then you will ever know....like for instance ..Peter Bowlware played some MLB for Florida State under Bobby Bowden so before you go running your mouth ...YOU GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!! and oh by the way ..How many Forced Fumbles did Suggs have?? and how many did he recover??? Ohhh yeaaa..and what NFL team wouldnt want him as a starter next year????? thought so....Even if Suggs got 12 sacks..thats 12 as a rookie and as a part time player!!!He put up HUGE numbers!! Sure he made some mistakes but to error is human......He has raw talant and skills...And yes i watch and record every Ravens Game off my sattilite.....As For Terrell Owens ...Like i have been saying we will get him and we need him if not just to throw some Defences off into thinking we have a passing game......Dont doubt the way i see things....or my power as a fan...in thiere SuperBowl season i had season Tickets and traveled to every road game..including playoff wins in Oakland and Tennessee......and yesi was at SuperBowl 35 In Tampa.....Got quite a few pics with some players........some game balls are in my shop.......Just because My opinions about what can happen are different from your doesnt make me wrong....players shift positions all the time.....its a common thing in the NFL......so...Fellow Raven fan...
ahhh SUCK it haha!!!!!!
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[Reed#20]

First off A Thomas has spent time on the D-line as well as playing both MLB and OLB...if you need to check some archives go ahead...second i know more about the Ravens then you will ever know....like for instance ..Peter Bowlware played some MLB for Florida State under Bobby Bowden so before you go running your mouth ...YOU GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!! and oh by the way ..How many Forced Fumbles did Suggs have?? and how many did he recover??? Ohhh yeaaa..and what NFL team wouldnt want him as a starter next year????? thought so....Even if Suggs got 12 sacks..thats 12 as a rookie and as a part time player!!!He put up HUGE numbers!! Sure he made some mistakes but to error is human......He has raw talant and skills...And yes i watch and record every Ravens Game off my sattilite.....As For Terrell Owens ...Like i have been saying we will get him and we need him if not just to throw some Defences off into thinking we have a passing game......Dont doubt the way i see things....or my power as a fan...in thiere SuperBowl season i had season Tickets and traveled to every road game..including playoff wins in Oakland and Tennessee......and yesi was at SuperBowl 35 In Tampa.....Got quite a few pics with some players........some game balls are in my shop.......Just because My opinions about what can happen are different from your doesnt make me wrong....players shift positions all the time.....its a common thing in the NFL......so...Fellow Raven fan...
ahhh SUCK it haha!!!!!!
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Tell you what, since you are MR. Know it all about this team. I have all of last year's games and all of this year's games on tape. Every summer I watch all the old games and I'm telling you Adalius NEVER played MLB for us NEVER. First of all get the terms right. MLB is the term that is often used for the Middle Linebacker in a 43 defensive alignment. Now that we are in 34 we used the terms SILB and WILB. Strong and Weakside Inside linebacker. And AD has NEVER played any of those spots in our BASE defense NEVER. I challenge you to tell me the game that he did and I will go back through my tapes and look. IF he did I will come on here and tell you that I was wrong. But I'm not going to have to do that because he never did as a part of our BASE alignment. They may have run a FLEX DE in Nickel and Dime situations in which AD moves around sometimes and it LOOKED like he was in the Middle, but I assure you he was not playing ILB and as apart of our BASE 34 defense he has NEVER played that spot NEVER. Boulware played MLB at FSU? REALLY? IF he did, that was not apart of their BASE front. Pete was a DE at FSU, which further leads me to believe that alot of our opinions are just uninformed.

I'm not concerned about your opinions on what CAN happen. Your initial comments were that it WAS the CASE. And in reality it was NOT. AD as an MLB, get outta here. Peter B as an MLB GET OUT!! Pete has never played MLB for us, and he was a DE at FSU who if at all RARELY saw time at MLB. But of course none of these guys will play MLB for us since we don't run a 43 defense as our BASE. We do shift over into it however and run at times moving Hartwell to OLB. But it is not our Base.

Suggs had 6 forced fumbles, 1 INT. And yes 12 sacks as a part time player is alot. But he still has to learn what the Ravens brought him here for. I expect him to have even a bigger impact once he gets the fundamentals and techniques down, once he learns the coverage drops and once the game becomes more instinct to him rather than head guessing.

Lastly, you have a Pro shop with game balls ect. What does that have anything to do with the argument? NOTHING. I'm glad, I hope your business prospers, but that has nothing at all to do with our argument here. Your initial assertion was that AD played MLB and mine was your don't know what you are talking about when you say this. Peter Boulware at FSU is also irrelevant to the initial assertion albiet he was a DE at FSU . But still that's beside the point. The point is when you say AD played MLB and when you suggest that we could move him to ILB, I say that is ludicruous and nonesense. Why would you take a guy, whose strength is edge rushing and move him inside where he would do very little rushing at all??? Dude I'm glad Mike Nolan is the defensive coordinator and Ozzie Newsome is the GM, I won't add anymore to this sentence but I'm pretty sure some people could fill it in.

[henchmen]

Dont doubt the way i see things....or my power as a fan...in thiere SuperBowl season i had season Tickets and traveled to every road game..including playoff wins in Oakland and Tennessee......and yesi was at SuperBowl 35 In Tampa.....Got quite a few pics with some players........some game balls are in my shop
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[Rebels10]

Hey Rave, i am curious has to where you found the "Ravens have League best 24 million on the cap." While reading CNNSI.com i found something that says something different. Could you be wrong again, or could CNNSI.com be lying to us to keep us all--except for you--uniformed on the Ravens.

"Other than the Philadelphia Eagles, who have almost $25 million of room under the salary cap, the Minnesota Vikings have about twice as much dough to work with than any other NFL team -- a cool $33.3 million."--taken from "Market watch" Don Banks on CNNSI.com

Thats weird bc Baltimore isnt even second...they are behind Philly as well.

[henchmen]

I read that too Rebels...That's Funny!

He also ignored Mean Joe Greene's statement about the MOST SHUTOUTS in one season being owned by the Steelers as well...

Seems like Raging_Gonad is nothing more than a Walking Fountain Of MisInformation. :lol:

It's so painfully obvious to the rest of the Forum, INCLUDING RAVENS FANS think this kid is all Hot Air. I just think it's funny that he only comes after me BUT He did once ask...What would you do to become Famous?

I suppose I'd come in here and go after Henchmen..who's riding who's coat tails, Son?

When I say HE STILL DOESN'T GET IT....he doesn't. He thinks we reply to him because he's "interesting and intriguing". AY YAY YAY

YES...YOU'RE RIGHT GONAD...I do find you interesting. I find it interesting that someone can blatenly make himself look like an a55 on a daily basis like you do. And then to parade aroung in your messy diapers in front of the lobby is quite amusing indeed. You just keep thinking that we're amazed with your Football Knowledge and POWERS :lol: and we'll just keep laughing at you from way up here. :twisted:

You know what he reminds me of? Those plastic CLOWN Punching bags with the Sand in the Bottom so it always pops back up? Same mental image 8)
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[Rebels10]

I enjoy how Reed#20 is calling him a moron as well. From what i have read is that Reed is a bigger fan of the Ravens than rave. He actually understands the business of football and seems to actually watch the game.

So Rave, if your knowledge of football is so vast and greater than ours how come no one else--IN ANY FORUM MIND YOU--has ever agreed with you. I am a new to the forums and have read most of the topics and all of the ones you have started not one person agrees with your football insight.

My favorite is the "Expect Big Things" forum which you "changed" a couple of words from an article and claimed that it was your thoughts. here is the problem with that...most people have probably have been on ESPN forums longer and got to listen to your "great" football knowledge...and know that you could not have written that article.

First and foremost, thoughout all of the forums have i yet to find that many intelligent comments. Heck, i have yet to read that many intelligent comments combined. If you would have titled your forum, "Ravens 2000 Defense best ever" it would have held a little more weight. Granted, some would probably argue the 85 Bears, the Curtain, and so on...but you would have facts and a good arguement. But most of your comments are "What if" and back in "2000 or 2001 the Ravens this and that." Oh yeah, the Marino "fake spike play" yeah that crushed the Jets moral of winning the game bc it happened with under a minute to go.

So here is your logic for a minute...Back in 72 the Dolphins were unbeatable and that has not changed. If Mare does not miss two field goals against the Pats we beat them at home. If Fielder doesnt throw an INT for an TD against NE in NE we could have beat the Pats in foxboro. If the Dolphins would have taken the Texans seriously we would have won that game. So, that makes us 13-3 with home field advantage in the AFC. Since the last two AFC superbowl reps have had homefield then we make it to the superbowl. Since the last NFC division to repeat as champs was the NFC East back when Dallas won two straight that means the Carolina wont win the superbowl...There you have it...i have "what if'd" the Dolphins to the SuperBowl champions, but the fact of the matter is..."WHAT IF" and "IF" dont mean crap in football. The dolphins were 10-6 lacked the ability to win big games and could not finish games or win games within the conference. This resulted in other dissappointing season as a dolphins fan. I wont even say "If" they would have made the playoffs they would have went to the superbowl bc i dont believe that.

[henchmen]

I enjoy how Reed#20 is calling him a moron as well. From what i have read is that Reed is a bigger fan of the Ravens than rave.

I don't know Rebel...

Gonad went to ALL the ROAD games "AND" the SUPERBOWL. :roll:

"Cough-Ull****". What are you on the Team? Hey, maybe you are...maybe that's where you get all your INSIDER info and all your Ravens SuperPowers huh? LOL :twisted:

What a friggin Pinocchio..."All the AWAY GAMES"...put your BOOTS on People, he's piling it pretty high!!

[Rebels10]

I will take one thing back rave. I had not read the "best power back" forum. You actually did make some intelligent comments arguing your opinion about Jamal.

There is one other thing i noticed. In this forum you have attempted to make me believe that Bollier is a great QB. I was wrong earlier when i said he had only played 5 games...i looked it up and he has 9 games under his belt. So, this comment really doesnt make sense to your arguements earlier...

"...The Ravens had an aweful pass attack and every team put 8 to 9 guys in the box to stop him (Jamal Lewis)..."

I thought Bollier was a good QB and Marcus Robinson and Travis Taylor combined with TO would make the Baltimore offense "unstoppable." Will TO make an "aweful pass attack" that good? Just interested bc the Niners did not have a good pass attack this year with TO and Garcia (who is a better QB than Bollier).

[henchmen]

You know what I love the most Rebels?

This year the Ravens come to New England and Gonad will see the difference between a solidified team, and a Black and Purple Jumbo Puzzle. You're gonna see the CHAMPS Gonad...I sure hope you can go ON THE ROAD AGAIN and hang out with the 68,000 Chowda Heads that'll be kicking your teeth in everytime you open that sewer trap. Taking the Company Jet? Or are you just going to fly there with some of Tinkerbells's magic fairy dust? Ha Ha :twisted: Ha Ha!!!

We'll see just how GOOD Kyle Boller is when he's throwing from his ACE!

Uh Oh! Here comes Ray Lewis! :shock:...but...there goes the ball over the middle to Deion Branch for 46yds and the score.

You will learn BOY...you WILL learn! :evil:

Hey Willow, make sure you SNEAK your Magic Wand past Security...you can't use your POWERS without it! :mrgreen:
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"Sir, Would you kindly step to the side and open your Jacket?"

"He's Got a WAND!!!!!!!!"
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[Reed#20]

Hey Rave, i am curious has to where you found the "Ravens have League best 24 million on the cap." While reading CNNSI.com i found something that says something different. Could you be wrong again, or could CNNSI.com be lying to us to keep us all--except for you--uniformed on the Ravens.

"Other than the Philadelphia Eagles, who have almost $25 million of room under the salary cap, the Minnesota Vikings have about twice as much dough to work with than any other NFL team -- a cool $33.3 million."--taken from "Market watch" Don Banks on CNNSI.com

Thats weird bc Baltimore isnt even second...they are behind Philly as well.

After franchising Cmac and because of a few incentatives we are about 16.5 under. As I told you this guy doesn't know what he's talking about sometimes.

[Rebels10]

I wouldnt start to talk about the season yet Hench. The NFL season takes some crazy twists and turns. So, you dont know if New England will come into that game with injuries--even though Bill showed last year he could play without 7 of his defensive starters off the field and still win--but the one of the things rave was right about was on any given sunday any team could win. I would hate to see the Ravens win that game and him talk about how "right" he was.

However, if they were to play with last years line up i would have to go with the Pats.

I am really starting to see that Reed.

[Rebels10]

I wouldnt start to talk about the season yet Hench. The NFL season takes some crazy twists and turns. So, you dont know if New England will come into that game with injuries--even though Bill showed last year he could play without 7 of his defensive starters off the field and still win--but the one of the things rave was right about was on any given sunday any team could win. I would hate to see the Ravens win that game and him talk about how "right" he was.

However, if they were to play with last years line up i would have to go with the Pats.

I am really starting to see that Reed.

[henchmen]

I wasn't talkiing about the Season, I was talking about the game against the Ravens. I think it is safe to say New England is a Solidified Team and they are the Champs. Injuries? Nah...we have depth in lots of places..RB is our weakest.

I think this Season is going to be AWESOME. Everyone will be hunting for the Patriots which is what you're supposed to do against the Defending Champs but I'm excited to see what happens with the Redskins, the Cowboys, Cincinnati (Palmer can Throw) I love Kitna but I don't think the Bengals fans should worry. Palmer will be great. They have a great Support staff too. A fun team to watch. I'm interested to see how the Dolphins do, the Bills...THE JETS!!! Hopefully a FULL season with Pennington. He's a great talent.

I'm anxious to see how the Texans grow and continue to gel. Andre Johnson is a Great WR and Carr will only get better. Let's see...The Cardinals should be a better team, I really like Anquan Boldin, I think if they can build a better offense around that kid...they will do good things offensively. So much is going on...

Free Agency and the Draft....Dude...I love my Patriots to Death, but I love NFL FOOTBALL in general and I can appreciate good and talented teams. I love and Support the Patriots cause they've always been my boys and right now...Like it or Not...we are the Champions...and the Road to the SuperBowl DOES come through New England. That's just factual.

But I'm not running around all WOOOOOO HOOOOOO MY PATS MY PATS MY PATS like Homeskillet here....I just think he needs to settle down and let thing unfold..the Crytal Ball act with the Turbon is getting Stale.

[rave_nomad]

Well if you want to know something that really isnt your business...in 2000,2001 the Ravens SuperBowl Year my father came down with cancer....as a way to pick him up and get his mind off of it...we took his and my mother's RV and road tripped the Ravens Away Games...it's not a unpossible thing to do ....im not a lier....I can promise 2 things about next years NFL...1. Patriots will not go back to the SB
2.Ravens will make some noise in the Playoff's

Kyle Boller has alot of talent and i think with him staying in Baltimore this whole off season to work with coaches and improve his game was a great move for this youngster....as for AD playing MLB....look up his college days a bit...and i lived in Florida and watched Bowlware switch it up .....
Suggs was on D-line in college as well, My point is you can switch around some players that have played that postion before....I mean its not that crazy that the would go Bowlware,Lewis,thomas,Suggs....thats only changing 1 players position....it could happen......And hey If you want to see some good comments made to me ..check the poll i made about Power Running backs.....as well as expect big things from ravens D
......STENCHMEN....Hey Stenchmen!!! I thought you were not going to reply anymore????? Whats up with that ..am i wasting your caring about your patriots time?????? I mean you have to be thinking about how they have no RB and how Tom Brady had a worse year then Jon Kitna??? These things must have you worried.....and let me say this...YOU WILL NEVER EVER LIVE IT DOWN IN THESE FORUMS WHEN THE RAVENS BEAT THE PATRIOTS THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Patriots have not seen a D like theres and if you think its going to be a easy game for them your full of Shizit...your worried...i can tell...maybe you can pull a joe namath and sell your soul for a SuperBowl?? Oh wait you already did...that explains alot.....The road doesnt go through New England because teams wont let it....it will be a different story this year right out of the gates.....better fire up that voodoo doll Stenchmen or start that lucky Circle jerk with all your corona Drinking buddies in the Keys...cause the Patriots are allllllll OVER!!!
they couldnt stop stephen davis backup in the SB ...how the He-ll they gonna stop Jamal ?????? Didnt think so ....ahhhhh Suck it haha!!!!!

[henchmen]

Tom Brady had a worse year then Jon Kitna
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Yah :shock: he sure looks upset about it too!

"Your Honor...We have no further Questions for the Defendent..."

The Prosecution Rests it's Case!

You're Slippin' Bad Dude....this is too easy :lol:

How can you make a statement like that? And you want people to take you seriously?

"But....I was talking about his statist..."----AHHHH Shut up! You're starting to make Stupid people sound Smart :twisted:

[Rebels10]

Thought you might like this Rave...taken from ESPN.com



9. DT -- Warren Sapp Bucs 9 Even his detractors acknowledge that Sapp still has enough left in the tank to be a force for a few more seasons. Look at the tape and, certainly in some stretches, Sapp remains a defender who commands double-team attention and can still disrupt offensive slow. His pride could be a catalyst, too, in keeping him viable.

Likely landing spot: Tampa Bay.

[AMERICAN_DESI]

I think most of us know each other by playing the Video game. Well in that case why do we constantly argue and belittle each other. I know this Rave Guy is getting too whacky. All he talks about is Ravens but lately everyone is talking about them in their posts. Rave got his point out nicely. Got everyone talking about it.

One more thing MeanJoeGreene is not that great a player he is a cheeser maybe he acts normal with many players I guess. Goes on 4th, kicks onsides and does all kinds of stuff. He even Def Matched on me.

[rave_nomad]

i was just looking at that too....funny thing is ..they picked Shawn Springs to land in Buffalo???? He already signed with .....The RedSkins......
and in the form of stats ....Kitna had better numbers....proof is in the nimbers....

[Rebels10]

I saw that too...i think Synder just acts so quickly during the free-agent market that one can keep up. He has made some crazy acquistions in the past. However, i think he listens to Gibbs. I think Gibbs came in and saw the runningbacks and knew he could not win with those guys and needed another one. Also, he (Gibbs) knew that Bailey was not going to return next year so he wanted to get something for him.

Also, with so many CB's out in the market he believed they could get a decent corner to replace Bailey. Now, they do have a drop off at the position, but Springs isnt a libablity at the position. I am still curious about the Burnell deal... you think they could have used that money of some O-lineman.