Hip-Hop Discussion Thread

[dabigticket#21]

Hello everyone I have noticed that there have been a ton of various hiphop oriented threads out there covering a wide variety of topics. There have been times that I've come across people saying that they like certain artists and someone will come with a reply stating why they dont like a particular artist or their music.

So today I want to present you all with a general hiphop discussion. This thread is not about give lame "i dont like it so it aint good" type of answers but real in depth thoughts about the state of hiphop today and how it could be improved.

I would like to pose a few questions:

What artists are killing hiphop and why?
Does radio play a major role in the state of hiphop?
Have business concerns become emphasized to the point that its stunting the growth of hiphop?
Who holds the most fault for the state of hiphop today, the radio, the media, television, the fans, the artists, or the record labels?

my answers:
What artists are killing hiphop and why?
I think that so called "hustlers" are killing hiphop today. People like rick ross, young joc, young jeezy, D4L, and franchise boys. I feel this way because they arent in any form or fashion "artists". They dont consider music a craft but a means to make money so they just do whatever it takes to make a buck.

Does radio play a major role in the state of hiphop?
In my opinion radio does play a major role in the state of hiphop. They dont consider presenting a more broad spectrum of music but only manufactured hits that are designed to make radio. I read an article earlier this week about Fat Joe and his single "make it rain feat. lil wayne". He stated that he wanted to release a song that was more about the true essence of hiphop but radio reps told him that those kinds of songs would not be played on radio. So he opted to follow the mold that is todays hiphop music. I also read a Clipse interview in XXL in which Malice stated "I dont really like the rap music I hear today. My kids do, so maybe its for kids.".


I'll present my other answers later.

[Detroitplaya]

What artists are killing hiphop and why? Young Jeezy, Yung Joc, Lil Wayne, Mike Jones, you get the picture.

Does radio play a major role in the state of hiphop?
Of course, when you play crap 24/7 like Jibbs, Yung Joc, Lil Jon etc. It gets real old, real fast.

Who holds the most fault for the state of hiphop today, the radio, the media, television, the fans, the artists, or the record labels?
All of them in a way, they all contribute in negative ways so I really can't pick one out.

[Lakers008]

I think these manufactured artists are the ones killing hip-hop. Like 7 or 8 years ago when boy-bands were running the scene... now its 'street thugs'. Labels just go out and find any one with 'street cred' and gives them a record deal. I especially can't stand the ones like D4L, Dem Franchize Boyz, Yung Dro, Joc, etc. I admit, its catchy for about a week and then the song dies. But that is what radio and tv want, they want tracks that will give their ratings an immediate boost, and when that song dies, the next guy is there to drop his single. I mean, when I hear songs like Rubberband Banks, I think about how much Pac is turning in his grave because of this bs. I got caught up in the gangsta and pop rap thing for a while, but I realized that if I were going to get a record deal, I wanted it to be based on real music. In case you didn't pick it up in my post, I blame tv, and radio for the evolution of rap music. Labels and artists shouldn't take all the blame because for most of them, its just about the money anyways.

[dabigticket#21]

Have business concerns become emphasized to the point that its stunting the growth of hiphop?
I believe that this is true because there are "real" hiphop and music artists out there who would love the opportunity to have more creative control. But at the same time you have to consider the fact that you want to make a living. Sometimes that leads to artists compromising their music in order to survive and making the most of the opportunity. Record labels are less friendly to true artists and more friendly to people who are willing to follow.

Who holds the most fault for the state of hiphop today, the radio, the media, television, the fans, the artists, or the record labels?

Radio: radio has really hurt hiphop because they actually have the power to dictate whats hot and whats not.....

I will reply to the rest in a bit....


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[lllllll23lllllll]

Have business concerns become emphasized to the point that its stunting the growth of hiphop?
I believe that this is true because there are "real" hiphop and music artists out there who would love the opportunity to have more creative control. But at the same time you have to consider the fact that you want to make a living. Sometimes that leads to artists compromising their music in order to survive and making the most of the opportunity. Record labels are less friendly to true artists and more friendly to people who are willing to follow.

Show Business: A Tribe Called Quest

Verse 3

[sadat x]

The party scene is cool, but then again it's all the same
You see the same faces, but at different places
When you're up and ridin' high everything is palsy-palsy
Get a million pounds and all the skins give you hugs
Well that's cool, i can dig it, it really ain't my bag
Prefer to max on the side and let my pants sag
"oh, he's a cutie", yeah, real cute
But i wasn't that cute when i didn't have no loot
Although i hit a pound of herbs i'm still nice with the verbs
So F what you heard
The born cipher, cipher master makes me think much faster
But critics still continue to plaster
My name and discredit my fame
All that isshh is game
And i don't really give a damn
Eat from the tree of life and throw away the verbal ham

This part here should explain the "pharmaceutical" side of the "business".... ;)

[diamond d]

Well, excuse me, i gotta add my two cents in
Don't be alarmed, the rhyme was condensed in
A matter of minutes so it must be told
All that glitters' not gold
Everybody wants a deal, help me make a demo
See my name in bright lights, ride around in a limo
My moms keeps beefin' ("boy, get a job")
But i wanna make jams, damn, i know i'll slam
Huh, well it's not that easy
You gotta get a label that's willin' and able
To market and promote, and you better hope
(for what?) that the product is dope
Take it from diamond, it's like mountain climbin'
When it comes to rhymin' you gotta put your time in
Get a good lawyer so problems won't pile
You don't wanna make a pitch that's wild.

What artists are killing hiphop and why?

This one is easy and simple! The artists that aren't keeping it real with themselves. If they're compromising their music for the sake of the business, not only are they not keeping it real with their fans, but they aren't keeping it real with themselves neither. That's why alot of cats resort to do specials via mixCD. Peeps that know me know that I haven't bought an official rap album since the late 90's, but I own thousands of mixcd's. Some I did myself. :)

Does radio play a major role in the state of hiphop?

One word (and two numbers) - Hot 97

Have business concerns become emphasized to the point that its stunting the growth of hiphop?

I believe I already answered that. ;)

Who holds the most fault for the state of hiphop today, the radio, the media, television, the fans, the artists, or the record labels?

All of the above, with the exception of the "true" heads....

[aka_Jamal_Xavier]

Why does the discussion have to be so negative. There is nothing wrong with the state of hip hop right now. Hip hop is at an all time high. The beats are better than they ever where, to the point where they can carry a song. The lyrics are just as good as they have always been. As a matter of fact a lyricist now is more complex than a lyricist used to be. Hip hop has evolved and as the case with every other genre it has spawned sub-genres.

If hip hop was only concious MC's do think we would be having this same type of conversation. NO, but thats only because hip hop would have came and gone faster than a snowball in hell. Variety is the spice of life. Its artist like Young Joc that make you appreciate a Nas or a Lupe Fiasco, but at the same time who would rather hear at a club.

What Im trying to say is that everyone in hip hop has their place and hip hop is not dying. Its alive and well. If anything is going to kill hip hop its the people who keep on insisting it is dying.

[dabigticket#21]

Why does the discussion have to be so negative. There is nothing wrong with the state of hip hop right now. Hip hop is at an all time high. The beats are better than they ever where, to the point where they can carry a song. The lyrics are just as good as they have always been. As a matter of fact a lyricist now is more complex than a lyricist used to be. Hip hop has evolved and as the case with every other genre it has spawned sub-genres.

If hip hop was only concious MC's do think we would be having this same type of conversation. NO, but thats only because hip hop would have came and gone faster than a snowball in hell. Variety is the spice of life. Its artist like Young Joc that make you appreciate a Nas or a Lupe Fiasco, but at the same time who would rather hear at a club.

What Im trying to say is that everyone in hip hop has their place and hip hop is not dying. Its alive and well. If anything is going to kill hip hop its the people who keep on insisting it is dying.


I believe that you made alot of valid points in this statement, but there are problems with hiphop today. I can enjoy young jocs music given the right environment (club). But as far as radio and television goes its as if they are attempting make the whole world into a club. Club in your living room, Club in your car, Club everywhere. As far as artists go, radio and television pretty much dictate who's going to sell with the exception of a few. I feel that people like lupe and nas dont even have a place in television and radio. They arent respected for their music in that regard. Its as if you have to make a club song to get your music heard and thats not fair to all of the artists who dont go into the studio to get some strip club anthem played. True artists arent recieving their just do and that IS killing hiphop.

[aka_Jamal_Xavier]

I knew I was forgeting something in my post.

It wasnt untill the late 90's and the whole bling era that hip hop became so mainstream. And by that I mean all over the radio and tv. Since then the same hip hop has been mainstream. So its not like artist like Big Daddy Kane and Rakim were getting the same recognition back then as hip hop artist get today. The music thats on the radio and tv today are all meant to be crossover successes. Hip hop heads like us dont care if people outside the hip hop community can feel our music. So we find the music that was meant to stay within hip hop. Kinda in a rush to get to work but basically hip hop started underground and stayed there. Its people within the hip hop nation that branched to crossover that made it mainstream.

[KRS-One]

I think these manufactured artists are the ones killing hip-hop. Like 7 or 8 years ago when boy-bands were running the scene... now its 'street thugs'. Labels just go out and find any one with 'street cred' and gives them a record deal. I especially can't stand the ones like D4L, Dem Franchize Boyz, Yung Dro, Joc, etc. I admit, its catchy for about a week and then the song dies. But that is what radio and tv want, they want tracks that will give their ratings an immediate boost, and when that song dies, the next guy is there to drop his single. I mean, when I hear songs like Rubberband Banks, I think about how much Pac is turning in his grave because of this bs. I got caught up in the gangsta and pop rap thing for a while, but I realized that if I were going to get a record deal, I wanted it to be based on real music. In case you didn't pick it up in my post, I blame tv, and radio for the evolution of rap music. Labels and artists shouldn't take all the blame because for most of them, its just about the money anyways.

I'm surprised I never made that connection before, but I like it :thumbsup:

Thugged-out Gangsta rappers of today are the boy-bands of yesteryear.

[Janelly1810]

I believe that you made alot of valid points in this statement, but there are problems with hiphop today. I can enjoy young jocs music given the right environment (club). But as far as radio and television goes its as if they are attempting make the whole world into a club. Club in your living room, Club in your car, Club everywhere. As far as artists go, radio and television pretty much dictate who's going to sell with the exception of a few. I feel that people like lupe and nas dont even have a place in television and radio. They arent respected for their music in that regard. Its as if you have to make a club song to get your music heard and thats not fair to all of the artists who dont go into the studio to get some strip club anthem played. True artists arent recieving their just do and that IS killing hiphop.

You know, you could say that all the southern club music is killing hip hop but, honestly, its just going through a cycle right now. Its always been this way. In hip hop's early stages it was just some NY party music and then it became mainstream, then you had the political side of hip hop, then you had the west coast, gangsta side of hip hop, and now its all southern club music. It's not necessarily that hip hop is dying like Jamal Xavier said, its just going through a different stage. Nas is appreciated as much as anyone in this industry even though he may not be what is hot right now. Hip hop isn't dead, I think it may be going through a bit of a transition at this point. Maybe there will be a time when moral, conscious rap comes back and then we will be saturated with that to the point where we will be sick of it. This is what I hate about the media in general. They make you eventually get sick of a good thing.

I do think there is a problem where as most times hip hop reflected the times it is not necessarily doing so now, at least not the mainstream stuff. Right now most artists are following a formula that has worked in the past instead of doing what is in their hearts. In the past, it was mostly about the music, their craft, whether it was rhyming or deejaying, or b-boying, or even just putting out a message for people to listen to, whereas now its all about the money. Now I think this is the fault of the major record companies because they are in the business of marketing a product and it just happens to be music. I definitely blame the major labels and radio for not giving the general public enough variety in mainstream artists. And I really feel for a lot of underground artists. You want to do what feels natural but unfortunately that's not what pays.

[KRS-One]

To add a bright side to this thread, with Talib Kweli, Mos Def, The Roots, Lupe Fiasco, Zion-I, MF Doom, Common, and Jean Grae finally getting some mainstream attention, it would appear that a new-era in Hiphop is not too far off.

I believe that you made alot of valid points in this statement, but there are problems with hiphop today. I can enjoy young jocs music given the right environment (club). But as far as radio and television goes its as if they are attempting make the whole world into a club. Club in your living room, Club in your car, Club everywhere. As far as artists go, radio and television pretty much dictate who's going to sell with the exception of a few. I feel that people like lupe and nas dont even have a place in television and radio. They arent respected for their music in that regard. Its as if you have to make a club song to get your music heard and thats not fair to all of the artists who dont go into the studio to get some strip club anthem played. True artists arent recieving their just do and that IS killing hiphop.

I agree with all of this, but I'm gonna add that club music was a lot better when it was less detailed and explicit.

Let's compare.


Early-1990's Club Rap
[Verse 1]
Now your party wasn't jumping and your DJ was weak
Instead of dope beats, he was spinnin them Z's
All the fly girls who came with a beat in mind
They all up against the wall like a welfare line
Do you think for one minute that this is it?
Your party is bogus, Yo it ain't legit
You better put on the hammer, And you will be rewarded
My beat is ever boomin, And you know I get it started
Get it started!

[Chorus 5x]

[Verse 2]
Now get up out your seat because my beat is so complete
I'm movin everybody from A to Z
And when it comes to straight up rockin, I'm second to none
From Doug E. Fresh to LL or DJ Run
They say hammer how you do it? I got it like that
My posse's ever rollin, We keep it in tact
Just put on the hammer, And you will be rewarded
My beat is ever boomin, And you know I get it started

[Chorus 6x]

[Verse 3]
Now, a lot of b-boys make em dance, Yo they fakin the beat
They hip hop on the outside put rock underneath
Before the show gets started, They shakin they boots
My posse in the end cold displayin the troops
Like a trooper, I'm down cold hooked on the drugs
808 SB12'S are expirin africans
Just put on the hammer, And you will be rewarded
My beat is ever boomin, And you know I get it started

[Chorus 5x]

[Verse 4]
They said it couldn't happen, that rap wouldn't last
The beat is in effect like the oil in your gas
Cause it's makin lots of money from top to bottom
Whatever in effect, Yo, B-boys have got em
Nobody knows how a rapper really feels
A mind full of rhymes, and a tongue of steel
Just put on the hammer, and you will be rewarded
My beat is ever boomin, and you know I get it started

[Chorus 7x]


Current Club Rap - I'll let the forum censors do all the work
[Intro/Chorus: Oobie]
Ooh Na Na Naa Naa; I'm so horny and I want you to **** me
I'm tired of ************ got my body shaking no orgasm faking with me
Ooh Na Na Naa Naa; I'm so horny and I want you to **** me
I hope you're ready for love, cause I got more than enough
Come bust a beautiful nut up on me
Now I'm just sitting in my lingerie, sipping on some Alize
Trying to figure all the ways I can make you say
Ooh Baby, right there, don't stop
Put it in you're mouth, twirl it round til' you make it pop
Now I'm gonna make you sweat, when you go down in between my legs
You gon be fantasizing bout these lovely thighs
It's gon' be hypnotizing won't you come on and see

[repeat Chorus]

[Devin the Dude]
I see your ***** lips smiling
Been grinning like they want something up in 'em
I been wanting to ask you for some but didn't want to offend you
But now I see you bout as freaky as me
I busted two nuts already now you waiting for number three
You ask me what will it take to get me hard again
I say saliva but see you ain't down for swallowing
You'd rather have it on your skin you wanna rub it in
Move your tongue like that once more girl I'm bout to nut again
**** your friends in your business ask me why I call everyday
And why your face is so clean just tell 'em oil of olay
I thought I could girl you could do miles
Lay on your side raise up ur legs let me see that beautiful smile
Awww yeah, I'mma put it all in there
And you relax but then you ask me to pull ur hair
And I'll do it you'll scream but the nut won't last
Cause right before you know it Splash!!

[Chorus] - 2x

[Lil Jon]
**** suck my **** suck
Shawty want you to put it on me
Rough sex, **** fest
Let me put ya to test
Up & down in and out
Put that **** back in yo mouth
You take the cream I'mma make you cream
You **** fiend I'mma ***** fiend
Role play, fantasy, Hennessy, ecstacy
Hard fast not slow after this they ain't gon want no mo'
Lay you down, pick you up, speed it up you wit me boy
Doggy style buck wild I'll leave yo *** screaming aahh!
******* don't stop cum rising to the top
Girl you suck **** so good make me wanna call the cops
And it don't make no sense the way you suck the ****
The way you lick from the shaft to the dome of the ****
******* can't lie girl I love the ****
Strap up, get head **** the **** I don't ??
Cause I'm big Sam baby, I'll rock yo world baby
I lay the kinda pipe that make yo turls curl baby

[Outro]
Ooh Na Na Naa Naa
I'm so horny
Ooh Na Na Naa Naa
So touch me baby
Na Na Naa Naa
I know that you want me
Ooh Na Na Naa Naa
So come on bust one for me
Ooh Na Na Naa Naa
I'm so horny
Ooh Na Na Naa Naa
And I want you baby
Ooh Na Na Naa Naa
I see it's nice and hard for me
Ooh Na Na Naa Naa
So come and skeet it on me

[Janelly1810]

^^^^That's not no club music. That's some boning music with a club beat.

Actually now that I think about it, that's like strip club music.

[KRS-One]

^^^^That's not no club music. That's some boning music with a club beat.

Actually now that I think about it, that's like strip club music.

Indeed....it amazes me that parents allow their kids to listen to stuff like that. Although I suppose it would be better stated as "it amazes me that parents don't know what they're kids are listening to."

[dabigticket#21]

Hey guys I would first like to thank you guys for giving quality and pretty decent posts in my last thread "hiphop discussion vol.1". We spoke on some pretty good things and I'd like to thank you all for staying civil and articulating your thoughts on the topics in a respectable manner. Now I would like to describe what "hiphop" is to me and how I view it. I will discuss present day topics and attempt to provide a twist to average discussions.....hope you enjoy.

My personification of hiphop.....

"Hiphop aint dead it lives in the south!"
- A few years ago hiphop rented a condo in the south and had fun with a few friends in atlanta so she also rented a condo in Texas. Artists in the south greeted her with open arms and said "we are going to have a great time with you down here." So she decided to visit a little more often and eventually moved down to stay here.

While in the Atlanta:
She moved to atlanta to help up and coming produce Lil Jon with his music. She felt awkward at first speaking on the topics that he and his friends (t.i., yingyang, ludacris, etc.) spoke on but felt that it was all in fun so she remained open minded. She was a little turned off at first but began to start smoking again (like she did when she moved to the west coast in her younger years), and began to open up a little more. After a couple of years she became heavy on the party scene and lived to smoke and drink every weekend. Her old friends Nas, Krs, and Common often tried to get her to come back but she was having too much fun in the south wearing wild hair do's, gold teeth, and getting "crunk" with all of her friends. She told her old friends "if you dont give a damn, I dont give a f**k" and "I smoke I drank, Im supposed to stop but I cant!". She showed a few flashes of creativity while working with Outkast, Ludacris, and Scarface. But began to even influence them in just "not giving a f**k!".

But theres a deeper story to why hiphop moved to the south. While living up North she felt mistreated because all of her friends treated her as if she was something to be won, something to compete with, or something that had to be take so seriously that they couldnt even have a little fun with. She felt that a change of scenary would do her some good because she felt that in a way she was responsible for all of the lack of unity up North.

Hiphop's time in Texas:
So after moving to Atlanta she decided to spend some time in Texas and plant some roots there. She met a guy name Lil Flip who told her that he needed her help to elevate his life and help his family get out of their situation in Houston. She began working with him despite his lack of originality because she still felt that hiphop was for everyone and that his work ethic alone was worth her time. But once he began to see success he forgot about his "potential" and felt that he didnt need her help anymore to get where he was going so he decided to leave her alone and do his own thing. A little while later she got a job as a teacher of hiphop in Houston. She taught a small class in which Mike Jones, Slim Thug, Chamillionaire, and Paul Wall all were students. She knew that none of them were the brightest students but still felt that she could get them to reach their full potential if they all worked together. So she was very lenient with her grading and allowed them all to pass on her merit. Once they graduated they all decided that they needed no more than an elementary level of education in hiphop to get where they were going. She felt that they were all making the wrong decision but there was nothing she could do.

Hiphop's time in Miami:
Hiphop then began to party more and more. Even while teaching she still lived the night life of a "real world cast member". She then decided to move to Miami because Texas and Atlanta just wasnt doing it for her plus she knew some people from up North who had moved to Miami that she could hang out with. Once she arrived in Miami she became consumed with life. She began doing ecstacy, cocaine, and smoking more and more by the day. She partied with Diddy, her old time friend Fat Joe from the bronx, Rick Ross, Pitbull, and Lil Wayne.

Meeting Lil Wayne:
Lil Wayne had recently moved to miami after hurricane Katrina. Before meeting him she felt that he may be greatly affected since he'd represented New Orleans so strongly in his music, but he was pretty much unphased by the whole ordeal and didnt show much compassion for those who had lost so much. Hiphop had a good one-on-one with Wayne at the studio one night in which they discussed hiphop and where he was headed with it. She felt he had great potential and if he really focussed on his craft and spoke on topics that were real to him he'd make it. She told him that he was young and really hadnt given his true perspective but only what he felt people wanted to hear from him. She told him that she knew he wasnt a thug and that the tattoos would never fool her. Even under the influence of heavy drug use she could see through his persona because she'd seen it too many times before. He was offended by her comments and cursed her. He told her that he was the best rapper alive and that he'd eventually make her his "b*tch". She determined then that talent doesnt always come in the most pleasant packages and decided to leave him be and learn the hard way.....

Meeting Rick Ross:
Dealing in drugs and using them as well Hiphop met Rick Ross (the rapper). She met him and spoke about his lifestyle, her lifestyle, and how they'd been affected by drugs so greatly. Rick told her that he'd admired her for years and always felt that if she would just give him the time of day that he'd treat her right. She gave him a chance and for a while it was okay until he began abusing her and only worsening her drug habit by keeping her high. Once he used her and her connections he tossed her to the side only to be used by Fat Joe who had always admired her as well. He took her in and convinced her to give him advice on his next career move. She asked that he'd talk with Lil Wayne so that he could talk some sense into him. Fat Joe obliged, but after awhile Wayne began to have a greater influence on him and altered his state of thinking. Wayne convinced the gullible rapper to drop "that b*tch Hiphop" and make whatever he felt would sell. Fat Joe felt that he had given him good advice and began to make music with him......


I may add more if you all enjoy what I've written so far........I would also like to state that I dont think hiphop is dead, she's getting abused by the south and sadly enough no other region has anything better to offer her.

[Bakes]

this is crazy..everything is onpooint right here man

edit- i just read thorugh the last thread u guys had some great discussions in there lets keep that up

[dabigticket#21]

Hey guys thanks for all of your support on my last two hiphop discussions but now I'd like to discuss people in the industry talking sooo reckless over the past year.

First we Camron dissing Jay Z which was obviously a ploy to harness a few record sales. Jay didnt respond because he wasnt going to buy into such an obvious attempt to promote someone else.

Then we get Jim Jones going at, of course, Jay Z also. This dated back to I believe the summer of 2005 in which Jay made "dear summer" and Jim Jones then mad "summer with Miami" and had some greasy remarks towards Jay Z. He then goes as far as to diss him subliminally on his new album on two tracks.

We now have T.I. and Young Jeezy dissing Nas. T.I. and Young Jeezy both feel that Nas is not respecting their music and more importantly their "hustle". They feel that he's being disrespectful to the south and that he should recognize that hiphop has made its way to the south and that it is what it is.

Heres a link to Jeezy's recent interview discussing the issue:http://www.zshare.net/audio/jeezy-going-at-nas-mp3.html

And last but not least we have Lil Wayne now feeling disrespected by Jay-Z coming back with Kingdom Come and stating that he did so because he felt hiphop needed him. Lil Wayne also dissed Clipse and Pharrel in the latest issue of Complex Magazine.
I don’t see no fu***** Clipse. This is a fu***** legend you’re talking to right here. How many years them *****sbeen around? Who the fu** is Pharrell? Do you really respect him? That ***** wore BAPE and y’all thought he was weird. I wore it and y’all thought it was hot. What I gotta go in the store and say, ‘I like these colors but I can’t buy them because other rappers wore them?'

Lets have an honest discussion on these events and feel free to express your unbiased opinions....

[dabigticket#21]

I want to first say that I believe that all of the afore mention artists have their own reasons for doing certain things and I have taken the time to view things from their perspective as well as their counterparts. I will discuss each situation separately....

Cam Vs. Jay Z
This is old but I felt I needed to offer some background on this issue....But we all know how this went down...Cam got nothing out of it.

T.I. and Jeezy Vs. Nas
I personally dont feel that hiphop is dead nor do I feel that T.I. and Jeezy put together are half the artist Nas is. I think that their comments truly show how relevant Nas still is. When Nas speaks, people listen and they are threatened by the fact that he has so much pull. They feel that he could single-handedly end what they have going. I dont feel that hiphop is dead simply because hiphop is still around with artists like Common, Lupe, Nas, and many others. No its not being presented to the masses but it is still available. I feel that society reflects the state of hiphop much like it does everything else. If you look at videogames such as Madden Vs. NFL2k, 2k made the better game but the masses still favored Madden because it was so commercialized. If you watch movies there are so many cookie-cutter movies that if you want to see a real film you have to go as far as watching independent films. The list goes on and on.....Hiphop doesnt suffer because of any particular artist it does so because society is suffering. Our youth has few leaders and our leaders have no direction or pull anymore. Dont blame hiphop blame society.....

Jim Jones Vs. Jay Z
This is simply a bunch of smack talk. Im a Jay Z fan, dont think his latest album is too great and I dont think his catalog is that great either. but Im a fan nonetheless but I think people like Jim Jones talk reckless and dont feel that anything will happen to him and use hiphop as a tool for justifying his behavior...saying things like "hiphop is competitive"...thats BS....nuff said.

Lil Wayne Vs. Jay Z
This goes a little deeper to me because I feel that Lil wayne is biting the hand that feeds him. No he's not on Rocafella, no he has no "real" ties to Jay Z, but he used Jay's notoriety on "the carter 1" to try and make himself relevant. He wanted to affiliate himself with someone who'd made it to the top so that he could do so himself. Jay even went as far as to help him out by hand picking him for Destiny's Childs grammy nominated "Soldier Rmx".
Now he turns against him in an attempt to use him again but this time in a different manor. He wants to go against him to try and get his name even further out there. He says that he has a problem with Jay because Jay said that he is here to revive hiphop. Lil Wayne felt like no one should have the audacity to come at what he does that way.

But I personally saw an interview featuring Jay Z in which he said "no one can single-handedly revive hiphop, but I felt it needed an event.....It was also a good business move for the label". So either Lil Wayne is speaking before getting his information right or he just doesnt care. I have lost respect for Wayne as a person because to me that goes deeper than just some rap ish. I was taught growing up not to pass judgement on anything until you've heard all of the facts and even then wait until the dust settles. Lil Wayne strikes me as the type who speaks reckless and does so with the wrong information....the audacity of this kid.....

Lil Wayne Vs. Clipse
"Mr. Me Too", the Clipse said was aimed at all of those fake rappers trying to take our style. Im from the south, and my elders grandmom, aunts, uncles have a phrase.....

"ONLY A HIT DOG HOLLARS!!!"...LOL

I believe this is the case with Lil Wayne. He felt that were directing that towards him which would entail that he's a "fake rapper" and knows that he is. And also that He stole their style and even Kelis said "I told young stunna he should switch to Bape".....

I believe that his track record of dashed credibility speaks for itself on this one....

[Bakes]

I feel that society reflects the state of hiphop much like it does everything else. If you look at videogames such as Madden Vs. NFL2k, 2k made the better game but the masses still favored Madden because it was so commercialized. If you watch movies there are so many cookie-cutter movies that if you want to see a real film you have to go as far as watching independent films. The list goes on and on.....Hiphop doesnt suffer because of any particular artist it does so because society is suffering. Our youth has few leaders and our leaders have no direction or pull anymore. Dont blame hiphop blame society.....




great analogy..we see eye to eye on a bunch of these topics..the one about society is right on the money though

[KRS-One]

Jay-Z and Nas are being attacked like crazy lately....


T.I. and Jeezy need to shut their mouths.

[MJ23]

Jay-Z and Nas are being attacked like crazy lately....


T.I. and Jeezy need to shut their mouths.

lil wayne also has to shut his cocky azz up... he dissed jayz but last year jay z was his favorite rapper...no wonder hip hop is dead... heard a few tracks from the nas album, you wont be dissapointed

[Pinoy Dynasty]

Why are rappers that not even close to Nas' level attacking him?

[MJ23]

Why are rappers that not even close to Nas' level attacking him?

NAS new album is titled hip hop is dead, and jeezy and those other clowns thought it was a diss towards them or toward the whole rap game

[Pinoy Dynasty]

^^Wow...:rotfl:...they might as well say Rakim is garbage...

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Jim Jones Vs. Jay Z
This is simply a bunch of smack talk. Im a Jay Z fan, dont think his latest album is too great and I dont think his catalog is that great either. but Im a fan nonetheless but I think people like Jim Jones talk reckless and dont feel that anything will happen to him and use hiphop as a tool for justifying his behavior...saying things like "hiphop is competitive"...thats BS....nuff said.

I don't see how peeps can take this seriously seeing that Max B writes Jim Jones lyrics. :lol:

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I may add more if you all enjoy what I've written so far........I would also like to state that I dont think hiphop is dead, she's getting abused by the south and sadly enough no other region has anything better to offer her.

I disagree. She obviously keeps tuning into the wrong station. If she wants to find something better than she needs to come in terms with herself first instead of living a constant lie day in and night out....

"Hiphop aint dead it lives in the south!"
Hey, I don't mean to be a party-pooper (I love the south), but if you wanna go that route, I can take you back to some old school Scarface or Jermaine Dupri when he first signed TLC, Kris Kross, and Xscape. Sometimes a trip down memory lane can make you forget about the present. When I think about the south, Outkast comes to mind first nowadays. Hip-Hop lives all across the globe and the only part that's living in the south, right now, is the awful "mainstream" part of it. I say "awful" because between the years of 1980-1995, mainstream was actually a good thing since hip-hop jumped off in the 60's. :)

[Pinoy Dynasty]

Jim Jones is just garbage...who doesn't write their own lyrics?

[Detroitplaya]

I love how people like Jeezy, Jim Jones, Wayne, and all those other losers start dissing on legends like Nas.

[Pinoy Dynasty]

^^They think Nas' new album is dissing them...

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NAS new album is titled hip hop is dead, and jeezy and those other clowns thought it was a diss towards them or toward the whole rap game

But inorder to think that you must feel insecure about yourself. It's not like he said any names???? I don't wanna come off as some kind of God or something, but if I know I'm hot, in my mind, body, and soul.........IM HOT! No questions asked and no 2nd thoughts from the Q&A session. Obviously these cats know deep down that they're garbage. The proof is in the quote! Who doesn't write their own lyrics? The ones with no skills obviously. If you need someone else to write the majority of yours lyrics you don't deserve to be in the business.
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[C-Kid]

Best Rap group is DSR

[MJ23]

But inorder to think that you must feel insecure about yourself. It's not like he said any names???? I don't wanna come off as some kind of God or something, but if I know I'm hot, in my mind, body, and soul.........IM HOT! No questions asked and no 2nd thoughts from the Q&A session. Obviously these cats know deep down that they're garbage. The proof is in the quote! Who doesn't write their own lyrics? The ones with no skills obviously. If you need someone else to write the majority of yours lyrics you don't deserve to be in the business.
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it wasnt a direct diss to jeezy but it was towards the south because they own hip hop right now..

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it wasnt a direct diss to jeezy but it was towards the south because they own hip hop right now..

The only thing the south owns right now are the ones who think the south owns hip-hop, right now. Obviously these people are living in a limited frame of mind! If Jeezy is suppose to be the ambassador of this whole south thing then the dis stands correct. Young Jeezy IMO is what you call a "pop artist". Not hip-hop, not rap, but pop rap. Either you're going to be pop like Madonna or rap like Run-DMC, because it can't be both! The same people that were trashing MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice back in the day would feel the same about Jeezy. Why? Because it's the same concept that occurs when someone bends over to eat the soup that the industry puts in front of them -- a sellout and a phony.... :thumbsdow